[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[iamkeith]

The B65s are great.  I had them on my Clem with 2.4 tires and was able to 
get the curve to follow the tire more perfectly than with any other fender 
ever.  They ARE short but that's perfect for me too.  Especially with such 
a long bike, I'm in the habit of standing it up vertically on it's rear 
wheel in order to walk/maneuver it through tight spaces or to do a 180 
turn.  If the fender was longer, it would interfere and I'd cut it shorter 
anyway.  I'll look for a photo so you can see the extent of coverage to 
expect.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:19:23 PM UTC-6 Corwin wrote:

> Hi Johnny -
>
> I have a Hubbuhubbuh with Schwalbe Hurricane Ridge Tires. Mounted on 
> Velocity Cliffhanger rims, they measure approximately 61mm from 
> sidewall-to-sidewall. This does not include the outside knobs. I have SKS 
> Blumels fenders . 
> Blumels are advertised to take tires up to 65mm. I recommend them highly. 
> You might need to do a little carving with a file or dremel to get them to 
> fit inside your frame. But the coverage is wonderful.
>
> Be sure to get the "long" version. The ones that are not "long" take 
> protect people behind you, but not your drivetrain. I got mine from 
> Rivendell. I expect these fenders to last many, many years.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>>
>> Here's where I'm at... 
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>>Californians 
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>>look really short (here 
>>
>> 
>>  is 
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Hugh Smitham]

I love my Choco bars. Perfect for me because it just is.

Hugh

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I love my Choco bar and I'll say it's the best for me right now...but I'm 
> going through the "should I try drops" phase of my life. I spend more than 
> half my saddle time with my hands like so...
> [image: atlhandpos.jpg]
> Anyone who wants to talk me out of (or into?) drops, I'm all ears.
>
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:28:14 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The only thing I could see would improve on the albastache is if it 
>> tapered in a way that would allow either road levers (like it uses now) and 
>> the bends and mountain levers on the ends allowing the user to decide what 
>> setup they wanted. I saw a moustache variant that was made that way. I 
>> would stick with the road levers but it would be interesting to have 
>> options.
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:10:53 PM UTC-4 Paul G wrote:
>>
>>> I'm primarily a road rider on a Roadeo. I started with a Dream Bar, 
>>> switched to a Mark's Bar, then a Noodle. Then I tried a Compass Maes 
>>> Parallel. Now I'm back to the Noodle and have determined it's the best for 
>>> me for now. #teamnoodle
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:56:18 PM UTC-7 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Agreed. #teamnoodle

 On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:49:18 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:

> The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!
>
> #teamnoodle
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
>> really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv 
>> custom 
>> over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least 
>> the 
>> next decade. 
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Johnny Alien]

The only thing I could see would improve on the albastache is if it tapered 
in a way that would allow either road levers (like it uses now) and the 
bends and mountain levers on the ends allowing the user to decide what 
setup they wanted. I saw a moustache variant that was made that way. I 
would stick with the road levers but it would be interesting to have 
options.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:10:53 PM UTC-4 Paul G wrote:

> I'm primarily a road rider on a Roadeo. I started with a Dream Bar, 
> switched to a Mark's Bar, then a Noodle. Then I tried a Compass Maes 
> Parallel. Now I'm back to the Noodle and have determined it's the best for 
> me for now. #teamnoodle
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:56:18 PM UTC-7 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Agreed. #teamnoodle
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:49:18 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>>
>>> The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!
>>>
>>> #teamnoodle
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>>
 Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
 really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv custom 
 over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least 
 the 
 next decade. 

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg

>>>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Paul G]

I'm primarily a road rider on a Roadeo. I started with a Dream Bar, 
switched to a Mark's Bar, then a Noodle. Then I tried a Compass Maes 
Parallel. Now I'm back to the Noodle and have determined it's the best for 
me for now. #teamnoodle

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:56:18 PM UTC-7 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agreed. #teamnoodle
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:49:18 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>
>> The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!
>>
>> #teamnoodle
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
>>> really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv custom 
>>> over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least the 
>>> next decade. 
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Dia Compe 980 Brakeset

[Brian Campbell]

Thanks Mike! I got the Crust notification via email and brakes have been 
bought.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:10:40 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hey Brian, Crust, a while back, had silver and black 980s on their web 
> pages for a reasonable price.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 12:28:38 PM UTC-7 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Howdy.
>>
>> I am looking for set (front and rear) of these brakes in sliver and 
>> looking for the modern version, not the classic version.
>>
>> Please contact me if you have a set that you would like to re-home.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Brian
>> Berwyn, PA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Brian Campbell]

Agreed. #teamnoodle

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:49:18 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:

> The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!
>
> #teamnoodle
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
>> really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv custom 
>> over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least the 
>> next decade. 
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Joe Bernard]

That's the good stuff, Johnny! My tender wrists love Ergons, and my 
expensive phone loves not being shaken to death by cheap phone mounts 
anymore. 



On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:36:22 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> In addition, LOVE ergon grips and quad lock phone mounts!
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:35:37 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> @Eric the Velo Orange skewers are really nice.  Will the Shimano style 
>> clamp a little better? Probablybut these do a really nice job, look 
>> great and are light.
>>
>> @Michael if I am going with drops I am for sure going with the Noodle. 
>> That is actually what I had on the Saluki before the Albastache. 
>>
>> @Joe Billie's are a very close second and what I currently have on my 
>> Gallop prototype.  A marked improvement over the Albatross in my opinion. I 
>> haven't tried the choco bars yet and I do want to do that.
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Billie Bars for the win! 🏆
>>>
>>> #teambillie
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-7 mrb wrote:
>>>
 The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!

 #teamnoodle

 On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
> really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv 
> custom 
> over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least 
> the 
> next decade. 
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg
>


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[RBW] Re: Trade 26.8 Nitto 83 for 27.2

[spencer robinson]

The seat post is a done deal. 
Thank you


On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 10:10:08 AM UTC-4 spencer robinson wrote:

> All, I have a Nitto , 2 bolt, silver, Model 83, 26.8 Diameter that I would 
> like to trade for a 27.2.
> My post is pretty nice, it has been used, it does show some light marks 
> and scratches. 
>
> I would like to trade for a 27.2 post that is similar.
>
> Thanks 
>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Johnny Alien]

In addition, LOVE ergon grips and quad lock phone mounts!

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:35:37 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> @Eric the Velo Orange skewers are really nice.  Will the Shimano style 
> clamp a little better? Probablybut these do a really nice job, look 
> great and are light.
>
> @Michael if I am going with drops I am for sure going with the Noodle. 
> That is actually what I had on the Saluki before the Albastache. 
>
> @Joe Billie's are a very close second and what I currently have on my 
> Gallop prototype.  A marked improvement over the Albatross in my opinion. I 
> haven't tried the choco bars yet and I do want to do that.
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Billie Bars for the win! 🏆
>>
>> #teambillie
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-7 mrb wrote:
>>
>>> The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!
>>>
>>> #teamnoodle
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>>
 Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
 really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv custom 
 over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least 
 the 
 next decade. 

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg

>>>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Johnny Alien]

@Eric the Velo Orange skewers are really nice.  Will the Shimano style 
clamp a little better? Probablybut these do a really nice job, look 
great and are light.

@Michael if I am going with drops I am for sure going with the Noodle. That 
is actually what I had on the Saluki before the Albastache. 

@Joe Billie's are a very close second and what I currently have on my 
Gallop prototype.  A marked improvement over the Albatross in my opinion. I 
haven't tried the choco bars yet and I do want to do that.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Billie Bars for the win! 🏆
>
> #teambillie
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-7 mrb wrote:
>
>> The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!
>>
>> #teamnoodle
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're 
>>> really good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv custom 
>>> over the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least the 
>>> next decade. 
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[mrb]

The 'stache is nice but NOODLE IS BEST!

#teamnoodle

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:34:33 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're really 
> good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv custom over 
> the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least the next 
> decade. 
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg
>

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Berkeleyan]

Agree. I have Albastache bars on my new Riv-ish Custom, and they're really 
good. I had Moustache bars and then Noodles on my actual Riv custom over 
the past 22 years, and think these are the right bars for at least the next 
decade. 

- Andrew, Berkeley

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kTnjBCS/0/L/i-kTnjBCS-L.jpg

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[RBW] Re: And the winner of best handlebar is....

[Eric Marth]

Looks like a rad setup, I'd be eager to try someone else's albastache rig 
before taking the plunge. 

What do you think of the Velo Orange skewers? I've been eying a set myself. 

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Albastache.  Seriously. I have tried the Nitto Moustache in the past and 
> liked it but it needed to sit a bit high to be useful to me. I love drops 
> but at the same time never actually spend much time IN the drops.  These 
> bars are perfect. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Corwin]

Hi Johnny -

I have a Hubbuhubbuh with Schwalbe Hurricane Ridge Tires. Mounted on 
Velocity Cliffhanger rims, they measure approximately 61mm from 
sidewall-to-sidewall. This does not include the outside knobs. I have SKS 
Blumels fenders . 
Blumels are advertised to take tires up to 65mm. I recommend them highly. 
You might need to do a little carving with a file or dremel to get them to 
fit inside your frame. But the coverage is wonderful.

Be sure to get the "long" version. The ones that are not "long" take 
protect people behind you, but not your drivetrain. I got mine from 
Rivendell. I expect these fenders to last many, many years.

Namaste,


Corwin
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Gabriel Bruguier]

@Drew.  My PBH is right under 85, which puts me squarely in the 57cm frame 
range according to this chart 
.  
But I decided to compare the overall frame measurements to those of the 
best-fitting bikes that I've previously owned, and base my decision on that 
instead.  And that put me on a 59cm frame.  So to answer your questions, 
and compliment what Bill said in response, I don't think PBH should be the 
sole determinant for sizing a Roadeo.  

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:07:49 PM UTC-5 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> @Tim... I also have a 93 pbh with a 84cm saddle height.  I decided that 
> the 63cm Roadeo was just not large enough.  I do not like elongated stems 
> (vertical or horizontal).  I got the 2018 Roadini instead.  It fits 
> perfectly.  My only gripe with the Roadini is that it is too stiff for my 
> kind of riding (club rides that can be kind of fast).  I prefer more 
> lateral compliance in my bicycles, and the Roadini is just stiffer all 
> round than I like.  I will be selling it.  It rides wonderfully, but 
> compliance is not its cup of tea.  My SOMA San Marcos which is really 
> identical to the Roadini has more compliance-- perfect for long distance 
> stuff and gravel.  I will keep the San Marcos.  It seems that Grant 
> perfected frame design in the Roadini and the San Marcos: long head tubes 
> and sloping top tubes for us tall riders really improves comfort 
> immensely.  My old Riv 'Redwood' was a great bike, but the stem was always 
> too low, and I really do not like the 'stuck up' stem look.   
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 5:13 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
>> @Doug H I have the same question about the fork. How did you decide 
>> between the two? My saddle height is 84.5 cm with a PBH of 93. My bars are 
>> 1.5 cm's below the saddle. On my Sam the 6 degree top tube slope creates a 
>> bit more stack height. In comparison the Roadeo has a 2 degree slope. This 
>> is why I am wondering what the HT size is on the size 63 that Matt has. I 
>> am trying to decide if I could get my bars high enough with a threadless 
>> form without having to add to many spacers. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:59:07 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> John, You've got two great bikes with the QB and Roadeo. Both are high 
>>> on my list to own. I mostly agree with your comments about taking the 
>>> versatility of a Rivendell to far. I have an Appaloosa and a Sam. I had a 
>>> Clem H and quickly sold it. The Clem was one I regretted and wished I 
>>> hadn't gone down that path. With the Clem I tried to make it something it 
>>> was not (at least to my standards) and that was an analog mountain bike. At 
>>> the time I was caught up in the Rivendell Hillie Bike marketing only to be 
>>> disappointed later. I found the ride to be heavy, dull and just 
>>> uninspiring. I also did not get along with the very long chainstays. So in 
>>> that sense my experience mirrors yours. 
>>>
>>> Like the Atlantis, the Appaloosa is great at what it is meant for. 
>>> Touring, bike packing, grocery getting both on and off road. I currently 
>>> have it set up with 2.25 Schwalbe T-Burts tubeless. A very Un-Riv Jones 
>>> Loop bars along with a White Industries Double. The bike is super stable 
>>> loaded or unloaded on any surface. I love it for what it is and mostly ride 
>>> it for those purposes. 
>>>
>>> I have found the Sam to be the most versatile of them all. I've had that 
>>> bike built up so many different ways, Before I had the Appaloosa I would 
>>> ride it loaded with camping gear, It had Billie Bars, Albatross bars, 
>>> Albastache bars and Noodle bars. I also had several different Nitto racks 
>>> on it front and rear. All versions were great but I have finally settled on 
>>> a drop bar set up. I ditched the Noodles for a 31.8 clamp so I could use 
>>> Salsa Cowchippers. I have a Nitto Quill adaptor so I can use a normal clamp 
>>> on stem. I mostly did that to make it easier to try different stem lengths 
>>> without spending a fortune. I settled on a 110mm stem. This bike outshines 
>>> my other Riv's in overall versatility. 
>>>
>>> I think the Sam makes a great road bike. Similar to the very popular 
>>> "all road" versions from the bigger brands. The Sam is better because it's 
>>> lugged steel and has far more tire clearance. That said, I wish it was 
>>> lighter and had more snap. I think the Roadeo would provide that. 
>>>
>>> @Calvin, good for you on taking the plunge. You must be excited!! 
>>> Although the Roadeo is technically not custom Mark Nobilette is a custom 
>>> builder and talking to a local one man ship he told me most everyone is one 
>>> year out. At least you are not having to wait until 2023 like some of the 
>>> bigger brands out there! 
>>>
>>> @Austin, Beautiful bike! I love the red and white color. Looks like Bon 
>>> Jon Pass tires so I know it's good for 35's. I'm happy to see that because 

Re: [RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Yep Joe, it would be a darn shame if we had to go actually ride bikes
instead of talking about bikes on the internet.
:)

--ben

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Apparently my post last night literally ended Facebook and Instagram.
> Sorry everybody! 😬
>
> Joe "social media killer" Bernard
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 10:19:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm just glad we still have a forum/list/whatever-it's-called for Riv
>> stuff that hasn't been absorbed into the Facebookization of everything. I
>> don't visit that place and am becoming increasingly wary of Instagram
>> because they own it, too. Google Groups, kind of annoying but good enough!
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:04:49 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jim for all your hard work to keep it going
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 7:55 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for asking, Eric - at this point, it's a "known Known" and is
 unlikely to be changed, barring Google dropping the entire Groups format.

 Despite drawbacks and quirks, it provides decent bandwidth with a
 minimum of management and zero out of pocket cost. I've hosted, managed and
 run Listservs, BBS's and their related offspring over the years and none of
 them are without hassle.

 The attachment size for photos into Google Groups has been 25 MB for
 some time now. Yeah... but the other option is to set up a nice photo album
 and share that link.

 I have posted before that if things are not working correctly, the one
 helpful "to-do" is to access the Settings panel and use the "Send feedback
 to Google" button. Some things have actually been addressed over the years.

 There is a "For Sale" tag (Or "Label" in Googroup parlance).
 Periodically I remind folks, but honestly, almost every list member seems
 to label things clearly enough in the subject that it's hard to be 
 confused.
 There are actually three labels - "RBW-Emphemera" - "RBW-History" and
 "transations-sell-buy-trade"
 I"ve been relatively slow to implement them, as I did not want to
 impose too much structure on this group.

 I would also say that basic searchability is pretty strong - that's
 been refined a great deal over the last couple years. As with Gmail, it
 uses tools which are pretty refined.

 As one more vector, there is a Rivendell Owners Bunch On Facebook group
 which I set up a while ago, where For Sale/Trade is not allowed, and photos
 are more the coin of the realm.
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch

 There's another one which I'm not an admin of called "Rivendellicious"
 which also includes Bridgestone topics and allows transactions.
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712

 again, I appreciate your input - thanks!

 - Jim / group admin




 On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:09:29 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all -- I'm relatively new in these parts but I do love and
> appreciate the community, information, gear swaps and laughs of the RBW
> Owners Bunch.
>
> But, man, Google Groups is awful. I'm a member of a few other forums
> that use phpBB  which is, to my mind, real
> nice and easy to use.
>
> Problems I see here:
>
>- Generally difficult to keep up with rolling posts, format
>doesn't lend to quick scanning and visual organization
>- Threads don't have pages! Infinite scroll
>- DMs get lost
>- Sharing images is a total pain
>- We don't have discussion folders for broad categories.
>Spitballing here but we could have: General discussion, For Sale, 
> Repairs
>and maintenance, etc.
>- A For Sale folder with a tagged/pinned mega thread with frames
>for sale would be cool, supplemented by our rolling gear posts.
>
> I believe phpbb would add some much needed functionality, editing
> capability, sharing capability and browsing capability! I have not done 
> *any
> *research into the cost or what it would take to set up a new forum
> but I'd wager that a few of us would gladly chip in to cover the costs.
>
> Food for thought. Perhaps this has been discussed previously. But I
> think there are better ways for us to get together.
>
> Did I mention Google groups is awful?
>
> Okay, peace and love!
> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Joe Bernard]

Apparently my post last night literally ended Facebook and Instagram. Sorry 
everybody! 😬

Joe "social media killer" Bernard

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 10:19:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm just glad we still have a forum/list/whatever-it's-called for Riv 
> stuff that hasn't been absorbed into the Facebookization of everything. I 
> don't visit that place and am becoming increasingly wary of Instagram 
> because they own it, too. Google Groups, kind of annoying but good enough! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:04:49 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim for all your hard work to keep it going
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 7:55 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for asking, Eric - at this point, it's a "known Known" and is 
>>> unlikely to be changed, barring Google dropping the entire Groups format.
>>>
>>> Despite drawbacks and quirks, it provides decent bandwidth with a 
>>> minimum of management and zero out of pocket cost. I've hosted, managed and 
>>> run Listservs, BBS's and their related offspring over the years and none of 
>>> them are without hassle. 
>>>
>>> The attachment size for photos into Google Groups has been 25 MB for 
>>> some time now. Yeah... but the other option is to set up a nice photo album 
>>> and share that link. 
>>>
>>> I have posted before that if things are not working correctly, the one 
>>> helpful "to-do" is to access the Settings panel and use the "Send feedback 
>>> to Google" button. Some things have actually been addressed over the years. 
>>>
>>> There is a "For Sale" tag (Or "Label" in Googroup parlance). 
>>> Periodically I remind folks, but honestly, almost every list member seems 
>>> to label things clearly enough in the subject that it's hard to be confused.
>>> There are actually three labels - "RBW-Emphemera" - "RBW-History" and 
>>> "transations-sell-buy-trade"
>>> I"ve been relatively slow to implement them, as I did not want to impose 
>>> too much structure on this group. 
>>>
>>> I would also say that basic searchability is pretty strong - that's been 
>>> refined a great deal over the last couple years. As with Gmail, it uses 
>>> tools which are pretty refined. 
>>>
>>> As one more vector, there is a Rivendell Owners Bunch On Facebook group 
>>> which I set up a while ago, where For Sale/Trade is not allowed, and photos 
>>> are more the coin of the realm. 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch
>>>
>>> There's another one which I'm not an admin of called "Rivendellicious" 
>>> which also includes Bridgestone topics and allows transactions. 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>>
>>> again, I appreciate your input - thanks!
>>>
>>> - Jim / group admin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:09:29 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi all -- I'm relatively new in these parts but I do love and 
 appreciate the community, information, gear swaps and laughs of the RBW 
 Owners Bunch. 

 But, man, Google Groups is awful. I'm a member of a few other forums 
 that use phpBB  which is, to my mind, real 
 nice and easy to use. 

 Problems I see here: 

- Generally difficult to keep up with rolling posts, format doesn't 
lend to quick scanning and visual organization
- Threads don't have pages! Infinite scroll
- DMs get lost
- Sharing images is a total pain
- We don't have discussion folders for broad categories. 
Spitballing here but we could have: General discussion, For Sale, 
 Repairs 
and maintenance, etc. 
- A For Sale folder with a tagged/pinned mega thread with frames 
for sale would be cool, supplemented by our rolling gear posts. 

 I believe phpbb would add some much needed functionality, editing 
 capability, sharing capability and browsing capability! I have not done 
 *any 
 *research into the cost or what it would take to set up a new forum 
 but I'd wager that a few of us would gladly chip in to cover the costs. 

 Food for thought. Perhaps this has been discussed previously. But I 
 think there are better ways for us to get together. 

 Did I mention Google groups is awful?

 Okay, peace and love!
 Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone run 650b on a Sam Hillborne?

[Ryan Stanis]

A local rider, who was present at our weekly coffee outside meet up this
morning, has a sidepull sam that they had canti posts added at the proper
height for 650b. They’re currently running the bike with Paul motolites
(which have a considerable range of adjustment) and 700c wheels. A funny
way to end back up at 700c, but now with options!

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 6:57 PM David Person  wrote:

> I have R559s on my 700c Hillborne and I could drop the brake pad down
> about 12mm more than it is.  You would need 19mm to run a 650b rim, if I
> did the math correctly (622 - 584) / 2 = 19mm.  The options for sidepull
> calipers with more than 73mm of reach are very limited.
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The limiter here is going to be finding caliper brakes that will reach.
>> Caliper-Sams already start with long-reach Tektro R559 or equivalent, I'm
>> not sure even Paul Racers will reach down to 650B rims.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 10:08:08 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I have a Sam Hillborne without canti posts. I was considering
>>> trying 650b hoops to get some even beefier tires on the bike. Has anyone
>>> seen it done? Pics?
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Appaloosa/Hungapillar, Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Bump:

I have been offered a few bikes so far and I really appreciate the offers. 
If I'm being totally honest with myself ( as that's always a good policy) I 
need to hold out for my ideal. And that would be an orange 51cm Appaloosa 
and 2nd to that a Rivendell blue Appaloosa. Not the 2017 blue but the more 
metallic shiny version. 

If you are on the fence and thinking about selling one let me know? I'd 
love to chat. Also I really prefer just a F&F and headset.

Cheers!!

On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 7:39:34 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Hi All!
>
> I'm toying with the idea of picking up another Riv. I'd like this rig as a 
> dedicated light off roader/camper rig. Maybe you have a collection of 
> Rivendell's and maybe one of the below is gathering dust because your in 
> love with another bike Rivendell just a tad more. No worries we won't tell 
> the other fine rigs in your stable :) Here's what I'm looking for:
>
> Appaloosa in size 51cm
> Hungapillar in size 48cm or perhaps a Bombadil? Not sure of the sizing 
> here?
> 2018 and above Atlantis in 53 cm
> As a 4th option I'll consider a Clem Jr in a 52cm 
>
> My PBH is 84cm and my saddle height is ~71.5cm 
>
> Ideally I'd like a frame & fork as I like to spec my own build like many 
> others but depending on the mix of parts you have will consider a complete 
> build.
>
> I'm in Los Angeles and will pay for shipping or if within 600 miles 
> consider a road trip? Lemme know what you have and we can chat.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh Smitham
> Los Angeles, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

It's not that I don't absolutely love my Cheviot, I do! But those guys at 
WC are so good it came out of the box absolutely perfect with no tinkering 
required. I didn't even have to change the stem. They nailed it. I kind of 
liked messing around with my Cross Check and swapping things and out. Also, 
the Cheviot rides like a steamship, so smooth, so quiet, so stately. I 
wouldn't mind a bike with some zip, I can lean into a carve and put the 
hammer down and feel the steed leap away out from under me. That would be 
fun too, and messing around with parts and stuff. 

I'm not even a big bike guy, I get my hands plenty filthy in other hobbies, 
but there's just something about it.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 3:03:23 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> Oh man another rabbit hole for me to get lost in.
>
> This thread has really gone above and beyond expectations. I have gone 
> done so many slippery slopes into endless possibilities! 
>
> So many beautiful bikes too! 
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:27:54 PM UTC-4 Dave S wrote:
>
>>
>> How about the early 80's Schwinn Super Sport SP?  They're not easy to 
>> find but it has some pretty decent clearances and is also fairly light(ish).
>>
>> Dave in NJ
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kurt
>>>
>>> I guess you can shrink the herd by sending me the smidge too large 
>>> Bottechia.  
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:30:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
 "Old is Good"
 http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/01/classic-tubes-columbus.html

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA
 On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:52 AM Benjamin Park  
 wrote:

> Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what 
> is it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"?
>
> On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote:
>
>> I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in 
>> the current version of google groups.  I had to drag out my laptop.  
>>
>> I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I 
>> finished putting it together.  I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale 
>> over on CR.  He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though 
>> possibly a different year than the catalog.  I can feel the rifling in 
>> the 
>> steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing.  But it's a taller frame (for 
>> me) 
>> at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in.  
>> It's 
>> a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few 
>> years 
>> ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable 
>> tires plus eyelets for fenders.  Yes, they exist!  I have Challenge 
>> Strada 
>> Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much, 
>> though, as it's just a smidge big for me.  If someone runs across a way 
>> to 
>> shrink frames, please feel free to call me.
>>
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, PA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame 
 with a custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 
> 1966 felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the 
> standard-gauge 
> tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively 
> (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I 
> road 
> it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and 
> still, 
> it felt smooth.
>
> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL 
> was, but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been 
> anything 
> from 116 to 120.
>
> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a 
> beater commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter. 
>
> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where 
> I should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park <
> benjami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, 
>> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! 
>> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little 
>> rando 
>> bike. Ac

Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

Oh man another rabbit hole for me to get lost in.

This thread has really gone above and beyond expectations. I have gone done 
so many slippery slopes into endless possibilities! 

So many beautiful bikes too! 

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:27:54 PM UTC-4 Dave S wrote:

>
> How about the early 80's Schwinn Super Sport SP?  They're not easy to find 
> but it has some pretty decent clearances and is also fairly light(ish).
>
> Dave in NJ
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Hi Kurt
>>
>> I guess you can shrink the herd by sending me the smidge too large 
>> Bottechia.  
>>
>> Mike SLO CA 
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:30:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> "Old is Good"
>>> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/01/classic-tubes-columbus.html
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:52 AM Benjamin Park  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what 
 is it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"?

 On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote:

> I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in 
> the current version of google groups.  I had to drag out my laptop.  
>
> I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I 
> finished putting it together.  I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale 
> over on CR.  He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though 
> possibly a different year than the catalog.  I can feel the rifling in 
> the 
> steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing.  But it's a taller frame (for 
> me) 
> at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in.  
> It's 
> a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few years 
> ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable 
> tires plus eyelets for fenders.  Yes, they exist!  I have Challenge 
> Strada 
> Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much, 
> though, as it's just a smidge big for me.  If someone runs across a way 
> to 
> shrink frames, please feel free to call me.
>
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, PA
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with 
>>> a custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 
 felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge 
 tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively 
 (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I 
 road 
 it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and 
 still, 
 it felt smooth.

 Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL 
 was, but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been 
 anything 
 from 116 to 120.

 I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a 
 beater commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter. 

 But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where 
 I should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park <
 benjami...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, 
> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! 
> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little 
> rando 
> bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some 
> RH 32s 
> on it but agree it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer 
> though!
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, 
>> look for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 
>> 1960s, 
>> if you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very 
>> light 
>> (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and 
>> the 
>> Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without 
>> fenders. Ditto 
>> for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: 
>> easily room 
>> for 35s at least

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] WTB/looking for intel: Kelly TakeOff mounts

[Eric M Cardella]

I have personally tried Gevenalles, yes. The issue is that this build is for a 
small-handed, short-fingered rider who already has trouble reaching the brake 
levers and would have trouble reaching around the top of the hoods to shift the 
Gevenalles. She’s tried short reach brifters (with shims) and bar-end shifters, 
and neither was suitable. 

Hence, my next attempt is to bring the shifters in-board of the hoods, but 
still accessible to shift from the tops/hoods.

Eric

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Benjamin Park  wrote:
> 
> Have you looked at Gevenalle?
> 
>> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 1:06:54 PM UTC-4 Mitch Harris wrote:
>> Hey Eric, here's an option if she friction-shifts and if you can find a 
>> certain kind of SunTour thumbshifters. I've have sets of these on a few drop 
>> bar bikes and it's always been great for shifting from hoods and ramps. It 
>> also works on drop bars with the stock clamps. They're a tighter fit than on 
>> a flat bar diameter but if you're patient and fiddle, they'll work. If too 
>> tight you can file the openings on the stainless clamp straps a bit. You can 
>> also make other small mods to make them fit the wider drop bar, but I've 
>> only had to resort to filing the clamp strap on one pair. Was easy. In the 
>> photo, this pair is on a VO Cruis(?) bar I had to replace with a Maes P and 
>> the thumbies fit both. --Mitch Harris in Utah Wasatch
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:09 PM Eric M Cardella  wrote:
>>> Anyone holding on to a set of Kelly TakeOff mounts, or something 
>>> comparable? I’m building a drop bar bike for my spouse, who is adamant 
>>> about not using bar end shifters. I already have a set of short reach brake 
>>> levers for her wee hands. Now I just need a way to mount shifters inboard 
>>> of the hoods. I’ve got plenth of shifter options—DuraAce, Microshift, and 
>>> Riv silver shifters. 
>>> 
>>> Hit me up if you have something to sell, or advice on how to proceed.
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] WTB/looking for intel: Kelly TakeOff mounts

[Benjamin Park]

Have you looked at Gevenalle?

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 1:06:54 PM UTC-4 Mitch Harris wrote:

> Hey Eric, here's an option if she friction-shifts and if you can find a 
> certain kind of SunTour thumbshifters. I've have sets of these on a few 
> drop bar bikes and it's always been great for shifting from hoods and 
> ramps. It also works on drop bars with the stock clamps. They're a tighter 
> fit than on a flat bar diameter but if you're patient and fiddle, they'll 
> work. If too tight you can file the openings on the stainless clamp straps 
> a bit. You can also make other small mods to make them fit the wider drop 
> bar, but I've only had to resort to filing the clamp strap on one pair. Was 
> easy. In the photo, this pair is on a VO Cruis(?) bar I had to replace with 
> a Maes P and the thumbies fit both. --Mitch Harris in Utah Wasatch
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 9:09 PM Eric M Cardella  wrote:
>
>> Anyone holding on to a set of Kelly TakeOff mounts, or something 
>> comparable? I’m building a drop bar bike for my spouse, who is adamant 
>> about not using bar end shifters. I already have a set of short reach brake 
>> levers for her wee hands. Now I just need a way to mount shifters inboard 
>> of the hoods. I’ve got plenth of shifter options—DuraAce, Microshift, and 
>> Riv silver shifters. 
>>
>> Hit me up if you have something to sell, or advice on how to proceed.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Dave S]

How about the early 80's Schwinn Super Sport SP?  They're not easy to find 
but it has some pretty decent clearances and is also fairly light(ish).

Dave in NJ

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hi Kurt
>
> I guess you can shrink the herd by sending me the smidge too large 
> Bottechia.  
>
> Mike SLO CA 
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:30:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> "Old is Good"
>> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/01/classic-tubes-columbus.html
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:52 AM Benjamin Park  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what 
>>> is it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"?
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote:
>>>
 I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in 
 the current version of google groups.  I had to drag out my laptop.  

 I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I 
 finished putting it together.  I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale 
 over on CR.  He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though 
 possibly a different year than the catalog.  I can feel the rifling in the 
 steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing.  But it's a taller frame (for me) 
 at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in.  
 It's 
 a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few years 
 ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable 
 tires plus eyelets for fenders.  Yes, they exist!  I have Challenge Strada 
 Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much, 
 though, as it's just a smidge big for me.  If someone runs across a way to 
 shrink frames, please feel free to call me.

 Kurt Henry
 Lancaster, PA



 On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with 
>> a custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 
>>> felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge 
>>> tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively 
>>> (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I 
>>> road 
>>> it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and 
>>> still, 
>>> it felt smooth.
>>>
>>> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL 
>>> was, but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything 
>>> from 116 to 120.
>>>
>>> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater 
>>> commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter. 
>>>
>>> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I 
>>> should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, 
 probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! 
 Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little 
 rando 
 bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 
 32s 
 on it but agree it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer 
 though!

 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, 
> look for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 
> 1960s, 
> if you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very 
> light 
> (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and 
> the 
> Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. 
> Ditto 
> for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: 
> easily room 
> for 35s at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see 
> attached 
> photo. (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)
>
> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall 
> waiting for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my 
> brother said 
> he got 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in 
> this 
> large size; that's frame and fork *and* st

[RBW] Re: WTB: Dia Compe 980 Brakeset

[Mike Godwin]

Hey Brian, Crust, a while back, had silver and black 980s on their web 
pages for a reasonable price.

Mike SLO CA

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 12:28:38 PM UTC-7 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> I am looking for set (front and rear) of these brakes in sliver and 
> looking for the modern version, not the classic version.
>
> Please contact me if you have a set that you would like to re-home.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Brian
> Berwyn, PA
>
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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Kurt

I guess you can shrink the herd by sending me the smidge too large 
Bottechia.  

Mike SLO CA 
On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:30:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> "Old is Good"
> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/01/classic-tubes-columbus.html
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:52 AM Benjamin Park  wrote:
>
>> Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what is 
>> it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"?
>>
>> On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote:
>>
>>> I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in the 
>>> current version of google groups.  I had to drag out my laptop.  
>>>
>>> I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I 
>>> finished putting it together.  I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale 
>>> over on CR.  He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though 
>>> possibly a different year than the catalog.  I can feel the rifling in the 
>>> steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing.  But it's a taller frame (for me) 
>>> at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in.  It's 
>>> a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few years 
>>> ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable 
>>> tires plus eyelets for fenders.  Yes, they exist!  I have Challenge Strada 
>>> Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much, 
>>> though, as it's just a smidge big for me.  If someone runs across a way to 
>>> shrink frames, please feel free to call me.
>>>
>>> Kurt Henry
>>> Lancaster, PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia.

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with a 
> custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 
>> felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge 
>> tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively 
>> (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road 
>> it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and 
>> still, 
>> it felt smooth.
>>
>> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL 
>> was, but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything 
>> from 116 to 120.
>>
>> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater 
>> commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter. 
>>
>> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I 
>> should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, 
>>> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! 
>>> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little 
>>> rando 
>>> bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 
>>> 32s 
>>> on it but agree it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer 
>>> though!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, 
 look for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 
 1960s, 
 if you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very 
 light 
 (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and 
 the 
 Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. 
 Ditto 
 for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily 
 room 
 for 35s at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see 
 attached 
 photo. (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)

 The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall 
 waiting for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother 
 said 
 he got 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in 
 this 
 large size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The 
 Libertas has a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last 
 count 
 26 bikes -- that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of 
 many 
 others -- has owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 
 35-38 mm 
 tires,

 My former blue-editio

[RBW] Re: Silver2 lever on Microshift bar end pod? If not Microshift, then what?

[Pancake]

18 hours later and I realized Riv actually sells a reasonably priced ($30) 
silver shifter pod that is perfect so I ordered that (and gave up on 
fitting this to the Microshift pod). 

Next is trying out different rear derailers: unsatisfied with the Shimano 
M591 (never shifted quite right on the Sam, too loose with bouncy chain so 
seeking a clutch), considered the following alternatives:

   - *SRAM GX 10 speed* with shifter mod'd to work my 9-speed cassettes ... 
   nice to have a clutch (really, it helped with the chain bouncing around and 
   make settling into a given gear more solid in my friction shifting setup) 
   but the b-limit screw and everything it touches failed over a year or so 
   (screw bent, stopper bent and loose, screw and mount both stripped, mount 
   on the derailer the b-screw tensions through also bent somehow!).
   - *Microshift Advent 9* speed ... just installed, lots of cable to pull 
   to move that thing! With my mod'd microshift lever (added a brass strip to 
   the chain guide channel to make it pull enough for the SRAM 10 speed 
   derailer cable pull), PLUS the jTek cable pull modifier (6 I think) it 
   works well, but that's a ton of cable pull plus an expensive widget to make 
   it work (jTek). 
   - *Sunrace RD-M900 *I wish it was available in a long cage (the mid-cage 
   seems to be the only model, and even that is rarely available), a 9-speed 
   derailer with clutch for $44 would be great if it could wrap a bit more 
   chain (mid capacity is 40t, presumably a long would wrap maybe 45-47t).
   - *Box Components Two or Three *- they makes a few but they are for 1x 
   systems so they don't have enough chain wrap capacity for my Sam (46/30t 
   double chainrings, 11-40t 9 speed cassette = 45t+ chain wrap needed) at 
   only 39t capacity (e.g., a 11-50t cassette).

*Any other recommendations welcome for a rear derailer that includes:*

   - Clutch (or high tension)
   - 45+ chain wrap capacity
   - 40t largest cog (though up to 46 would be nice I guess)
   - 9 speed compatible-ish (seems like most 8 or 10 speed systems work 
   where not indexing)
   - Silver would be ideal but is rare.

*Anyone found such a unicorn?*

Abe

On Sunday, 3 October 2021 at 14:12:52 UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> I have Microshift 9-speed bar end shifters (R9 series, model BS-T09) that 
> work well enough, but I want to swap on a Silver2 O shifter.* Is this 
> possible with some modifications, or do I need to get a new bar end pod?*
>
> I tried installing the Silver2 shifter lever and ran into a couple 
> problems fitting it onto the Microshift bar end pod:
> 1. There's a half-circle notch on the pod side (on the square offset), 
> I'll just file that off, easy.
> 2. The nut (or "post") on the Microshift pod is too tall for the Silver2, 
> and the bolt that came with the Silver2 is too short. I can add enough 
> spacers/washers to somehow kludge this together, but there must be a better 
> way.
> 3. The cable guide (rounded out section the cable rests in) lines up too 
> far toward the center of the bike while the cable entry point of the pod is 
> too far from the center of the bike ... see the photos.
> Here's the quick way I rigged it up to see if it would fit at all, I can 
> make it fit but it's not really aligned: 
> [image: IMG_0182.jpg]
> [image: IMG_0185.jpg]
>
> If I need a new bar end pod (and I don't want to shell out for the Dura 
> Ace model), what options are there? Does the SunRace work? 
>
> Thanks,
> Abe
>  
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto seatpost 26.8--preferably S83, but a Crystal Fellow will do!

[Alex K]

In SF Bay Area.  
acksf78
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[RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Eric Marth]

You highlight the problem with the suggested solution and also point to 
other photo problems. Yeah, you can post downsampled and resized photos 
easily. But that's an added step some users can't swing! You'd think 
all-powerful google would build a solution into Groups. Nope. Sometimes 
photos post to actual size and you get insanely huge images that you can't 
zoom out or easily scroll past! Especially when browsing on mobile, as you 
point out. 
On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:08:58 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> How is it difficult to post photos? You create a post and use the 
> attachment link. It couldn't be easier. If its a problem with size my 
> suggestion would be for users to learn how to resize a photo. For people on 
> mobile devices those large photos can take a long time to download and then 
> force a user to side scroll awkwardly to see. Google is right for limiting 
> file size.
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:50:08 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for the replies and to Jim, especially, for all the hard 
>> work in setting up and administering the group!
>>
>> I realize nothing is perfect but the other forums I frequent are smooth 
>> to the point that I don't even think about functionality. And that's great! 
>>
>> And so that I'm understood: I don't want to start a new group, rival 
>> group or anything like that. I'm suggesting we switch formats. I understand 
>> that's potentially a huge switch and might not happen but worthy of 
>> discussion. 
>>
>> Peace!
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:48:53 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I'd agree. Every change to Google groups has been for the worse, the 
>>> mobile interface is now pretty unusable, and it's become more and more 
>>> difficult to include images in a post.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Low-Rider Panniers + tubus rack

[Paul Brodek]

Awesome sauce! My NOS Jandds came through without hooks, which I got from 
Ben's, which I haven't installed yet. Theoretically I'm all set, too.

PB

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 10:45:17 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Found a used REI set on the 'Bay for $45. I should be all set! 
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:31:44 AM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Don't know how fancy/modern/pretty you want to get with the panniers, or 
>> what your mounting options/requirements are, but I went to ebay and found 
>> some decent possibilities at reasonable prices. I wound up scoring a set 
>> here on the forums, though.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Tubus Duo rack pending sale!⚡  
>>>
>>> Still on the hunt for a pair of small, individual panniers that'll be 
>>> compatible. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Andrew
>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:11:09 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Hey folks! I'm looking for a couple things: 
 1) a low-rider rack like the Tubus 'Duo' or 'Tara' low rider. I'm open 
 to others but I love how minimal these ones are. 
 2) small panniers (a set) to work with said rack. 

 Trying to squeeze one more overnighter before the temps drop for good 
 this year but I'm also not looking to drop too much cheddar; the more used 
 the better. Thanks for reading:) 

 - Andrew

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Low-Rider Panniers + tubus rack

[Andrew Turner]

Found a used REI set on the 'Bay for $45. I should be all set! 

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:31:44 AM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Don't know how fancy/modern/pretty you want to get with the panniers, or 
> what your mounting options/requirements are, but I went to ebay and found 
> some decent possibilities at reasonable prices. I wound up scoring a set 
> here on the forums, though.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Tubus Duo rack pending sale!⚡  
>>
>> Still on the hunt for a pair of small, individual panniers that'll be 
>> compatible. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Andrew
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:11:09 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks! I'm looking for a couple things: 
>>> 1) a low-rider rack like the Tubus 'Duo' or 'Tara' low rider. I'm open 
>>> to others but I love how minimal these ones are. 
>>> 2) small panniers (a set) to work with said rack. 
>>>
>>> Trying to squeeze one more overnighter before the temps drop for good 
>>> this year but I'm also not looking to drop too much cheddar; the more used 
>>> the better. Thanks for reading:) 
>>>
>>> - Andrew
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Low-Rider Panniers + tubus rack

[Paul Brodek]

Don't know how fancy/modern/pretty you want to get with the panniers, or 
what your mounting options/requirements are, but I went to ebay and found 
some decent possibilities at reasonable prices. I wound up scoring a set 
here on the forums, though.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Tubus Duo rack pending sale!⚡  
>
> Still on the hunt for a pair of small, individual panniers that'll be 
> compatible. 
>
> Cheers, 
> Andrew
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:11:09 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Hey folks! I'm looking for a couple things: 
>> 1) a low-rider rack like the Tubus 'Duo' or 'Tara' low rider. I'm open to 
>> others but I love how minimal these ones are. 
>> 2) small panniers (a set) to work with said rack. 
>>
>> Trying to squeeze one more overnighter before the temps drop for good 
>> this year but I'm also not looking to drop too much cheddar; the more used 
>> the better. Thanks for reading:) 
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Paul Brodek]

"Old is Good"
http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/01/classic-tubes-columbus.html

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:52 AM Benjamin Park 
wrote:

> Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what is
> it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"?
>
> On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote:
>
>> I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in the
>> current version of google groups.  I had to drag out my laptop.
>>
>> I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I
>> finished putting it together.  I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale
>> over on CR.  He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though
>> possibly a different year than the catalog.  I can feel the rifling in the
>> steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing.  But it's a taller frame (for me)
>> at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in.  It's
>> a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few years
>> ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable
>> tires plus eyelets for fenders.  Yes, they exist!  I have Challenge Strada
>> Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much,
>> though, as it's just a smidge big for me.  If someone runs across a way to
>> shrink frames, please feel free to call me.
>>
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, PA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with a
 custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966
> felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge
> tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively
> (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road
> it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and still,
> it felt smooth.
>
> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL was,
> but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything from 
> 116
> to 120.
>
> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater
> commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter.
>
> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I
> should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park 
> wrote:
>
>> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer,
>> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike!
>> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little rando
>> bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 
>> 32s
>> on it but agree it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer 
>> though!
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, look
>>> for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 1960s, if
>>> you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very light
>>> (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and the
>>> Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. 
>>> Ditto
>>> for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily 
>>> room
>>> for 35s at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see attached
>>> photo. (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)
>>>
>>> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall
>>> waiting for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother 
>>> said
>>> he got 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in 
>>> this
>>> large size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The
>>> Libertas has a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last 
>>> count
>>> 26 bikes -- that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of many
>>> others -- has owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 35-38 
>>> mm
>>> tires,
>>>
>>> My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual
>>> IIRC) with fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under 
>>> normal
>>> reach single pivots.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick  wrote:
>>>

 I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after
 enjoying a lot for around 3 years.

 The on

[RBW] Re: WTB Low-Rider Panniers + tubus rack

[David Person]

Let me know if the Duo purchase does not work out.  I have a new one that 
does not play well with my bike.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 6:25:51 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Tubus Duo rack pending sale!⚡  
>
> Still on the hunt for a pair of small, individual panniers that'll be 
> compatible. 
>
> Cheers, 
> Andrew
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:11:09 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Hey folks! I'm looking for a couple things: 
>> 1) a low-rider rack like the Tubus 'Duo' or 'Tara' low rider. I'm open to 
>> others but I love how minimal these ones are. 
>> 2) small panniers (a set) to work with said rack. 
>>
>> Trying to squeeze one more overnighter before the temps drop for good 
>> this year but I'm also not looking to drop too much cheddar; the more used 
>> the better. Thanks for reading:) 
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
>

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[RBW] Trade 26.8 Nitto 83 for 27.2

[spencer robinson]

All, I have a Nitto , 2 bolt, silver, Model 83, 26.8 Diameter that I would 
like to trade for a 27.2.
My post is pretty nice, it has been used, it does show some light marks and 
scratches. 

I would like to trade for a 27.2 post that is similar.

Thanks 

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[spencer robinson]

Let me know how you make out with getting those fenders to play along with 
the V brakes…I have never had much luck

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 12:30:23 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I have some VO noir 63mm fenders for my non-Riv custom, to cover Fleecer 
> ridge tire. 
> Unfortunately, the fenders are still in their (quite nice) packaging, 
> hanging on the wall of my shed. 
>
> The fenders look great, and in the future I will figure out how to mount 
> them with V-brakes. For my particular bike, that looks non-trivial, since 
> the brake cross-wire would pass directly through the fender. My hypothesis 
> is that I can just run the wire OVER the fender with a bit of helicopter 
> tape to protect the fender. Wires go around corners all the time. 
> I haven't tested my hypothesis yet, but if you've got V brakes, you might 
> want to visualize where the fender will intersect. 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>>
>> Here's where I'm at... 
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>>Californians 
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>>look really short (here 
>>
>> 
>>  is 
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Benjamin Park]

Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what is 
it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"?

On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote:

> I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in the 
> current version of google groups.  I had to drag out my laptop.  
>
> I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I 
> finished putting it together.  I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale 
> over on CR.  He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though 
> possibly a different year than the catalog.  I can feel the rifling in the 
> steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing.  But it's a taller frame (for me) 
> at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in.  It's 
> a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few years 
> ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable 
> tires plus eyelets for fenders.  Yes, they exist!  I have Challenge Strada 
> Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much, 
> though, as it's just a smidge big for me.  If someone runs across a way to 
> shrink frames, please feel free to call me.
>
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, PA
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with a 
>>> custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 
 felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge 
 tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively 
 (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road 
 it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and still, 
 it felt smooth.

 Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL was, 
 but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything from 
 116 
 to 120.

 I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater 
 commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter. 

 But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I 
 should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park  
 wrote:

> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, 
> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! 
> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little rando 
> bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 
> 32s 
> on it but agree it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer though!
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, look 
>> for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 1960s, if 
>> you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very light 
>> (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and the 
>> Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. 
>> Ditto 
>> for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily 
>> room 
>> for 35s at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see attached 
>> photo. (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)
>>
>> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall 
>> waiting for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother 
>> said 
>> he got 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in 
>> this 
>> large size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The 
>> Libertas has a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last 
>> count 
>> 26 bikes -- that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of many 
>> others -- has owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 35-38 
>> mm 
>> tires,
>>
>> My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual IIRC) 
>> with fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under normal 
>> reach 
>> single pivots.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after 
>>> enjoying a lot for around 3 years.
>>>
>>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne 
>>> about a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>>
>>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is 
>>> pretty good stuff. 
>>>
>

[RBW] Re: WTB Low-Rider Panniers + tubus rack

[Andrew Turner]

Tubus Duo rack pending sale!⚡  

Still on the hunt for a pair of small, individual panniers that'll be 
compatible. 

Cheers, 
Andrew
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:11:09 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Hey folks! I'm looking for a couple things: 
> 1) a low-rider rack like the Tubus 'Duo' or 'Tara' low rider. I'm open to 
> others but I love how minimal these ones are. 
> 2) small panniers (a set) to work with said rack. 
>
> Trying to squeeze one more overnighter before the temps drop for good this 
> year but I'm also not looking to drop too much cheddar; the more used the 
> better. Thanks for reading:) 
>
> - Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Johnny Alien]

How is it difficult to post photos? You create a post and use the 
attachment link. It couldn't be easier. If its a problem with size my 
suggestion would be for users to learn how to resize a photo. For people on 
mobile devices those large photos can take a long time to download and then 
force a user to side scroll awkwardly to see. Google is right for limiting 
file size.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 8:50:08 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the replies and to Jim, especially, for all the hard 
> work in setting up and administering the group!
>
> I realize nothing is perfect but the other forums I frequent are smooth to 
> the point that I don't even think about functionality. And that's great! 
>
> And so that I'm understood: I don't want to start a new group, rival group 
> or anything like that. I'm suggesting we switch formats. I understand 
> that's potentially a huge switch and might not happen but worthy of 
> discussion. 
>
> Peace!
>
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:48:53 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I'd agree. Every change to Google groups has been for the worse, the 
>> mobile interface is now pretty unusable, and it's become more and more 
>> difficult to include images in a post.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Eric Marth]

Thanks everyone for the replies and to Jim, especially, for all the hard 
work in setting up and administering the group!

I realize nothing is perfect but the other forums I frequent are smooth to 
the point that I don't even think about functionality. And that's great! 

And so that I'm understood: I don't want to start a new group, rival group 
or anything like that. I'm suggesting we switch formats. I understand 
that's potentially a huge switch and might not happen but worthy of 
discussion. 

Peace!

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:48:53 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> I'd agree. Every change to Google groups has been for the worse, the 
> mobile interface is now pretty unusable, and it's become more and more 
> difficult to include images in a post.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Nick Payne]

I'd agree. Every change to Google groups has been for the worse, the mobile 
interface is now pretty unusable, and it's become more and more difficult 
to include images in a post.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Garth]

I appreciate having this group as it is. I access it exclusively from a web 
browser and have never had difficulty messaging members or posting photos. 
The search function has improved to the point where I use it frequently. 

I can see where posting things directly from a mobile device can be 
frustrating but those challenges are inherent within the ever changing and 
unstable Android or Apple formats, not necessarily this Google group 
format. 

This from someone who has not forgotten Life before computers/cell phones. 
Who still leaves the house without either. Who doesn't find Life in a 
computer.  It's right here, at-hand. 

What's not seen here is in composing this message, all that I wrote and 
erased. That I took my sweet time to read   listen to what was being 
said "between the lines" and edit from there.
On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:19:08 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm just glad we still have a forum/list/whatever-it's-called for Riv 
> stuff that hasn't been absorbed into the Facebookization of everything. I 
> don't visit that place and am becoming increasingly wary of Instagram 
> because they own it, too. Google Groups, kind of annoying but good enough! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:04:49 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim for all your hard work to keep it going
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 7:55 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for asking, Eric - at this point, it's a "known Known" and is 
>>> unlikely to be changed, barring Google dropping the entire Groups format.
>>>
>>> Despite drawbacks and quirks, it provides decent bandwidth with a 
>>> minimum of management and zero out of pocket cost. I've hosted, managed and 
>>> run Listservs, BBS's and their related offspring over the years and none of 
>>> them are without hassle. 
>>>
>>> The attachment size for photos into Google Groups has been 25 MB for 
>>> some time now. Yeah... but the other option is to set up a nice photo album 
>>> and share that link. 
>>>
>>> I have posted before that if things are not working correctly, the one 
>>> helpful "to-do" is to access the Settings panel and use the "Send feedback 
>>> to Google" button. Some things have actually been addressed over the years. 
>>>
>>> There is a "For Sale" tag (Or "Label" in Googroup parlance). 
>>> Periodically I remind folks, but honestly, almost every list member seems 
>>> to label things clearly enough in the subject that it's hard to be confused.
>>> There are actually three labels - "RBW-Emphemera" - "RBW-History" and 
>>> "transations-sell-buy-trade"
>>> I"ve been relatively slow to implement them, as I did not want to impose 
>>> too much structure on this group. 
>>>
>>> I would also say that basic searchability is pretty strong - that's been 
>>> refined a great deal over the last couple years. As with Gmail, it uses 
>>> tools which are pretty refined. 
>>>
>>> As one more vector, there is a Rivendell Owners Bunch On Facebook group 
>>> which I set up a while ago, where For Sale/Trade is not allowed, and photos 
>>> are more the coin of the realm. 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch
>>>
>>> There's another one which I'm not an admin of called "Rivendellicious" 
>>> which also includes Bridgestone topics and allows transactions. 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>>
>>> again, I appreciate your input - thanks!
>>>
>>> - Jim / group admin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:09:29 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi all -- I'm relatively new in these parts but I do love and 
 appreciate the community, information, gear swaps and laughs of the RBW 
 Owners Bunch. 

 But, man, Google Groups is awful. I'm a member of a few other forums 
 that use phpBB  which is, to my mind, real 
 nice and easy to use. 

 Problems I see here: 

- Generally difficult to keep up with rolling posts, format doesn't 
lend to quick scanning and visual organization
- Threads don't have pages! Infinite scroll
- DMs get lost
- Sharing images is a total pain
- We don't have discussion folders for broad categories. 
Spitballing here but we could have: General discussion, For Sale, 
 Repairs 
and maintenance, etc. 
- A For Sale folder with a tagged/pinned mega thread with frames 
for sale would be cool, supplemented by our rolling gear posts. 

 I believe phpbb would add some much needed functionality, editing 
 capability, sharing capability and browsing capability! I have not done 
 *any 
 *research into the cost or what it would take to set up a new forum 
 but I'd wager that a few of us would gladly chip in to cover the costs. 

 Food for thought. Perhaps this has been discussed previously. But I 
 think there are better ways for us to get together. 

 Did I mention Google groups is awful?