Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Erik]

Love the black bits on this build.  I saw the all-black component Platypus 
build from Crust on the other thread and really liked it.  I think I prefer 
it this way with some silver thrown in.  Thanks for posting this!

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[RBW] Which side cutters?

[Joe Bernard]

I have Park Tool cable cutters but not the kind that cut flush. What do I 
get that cuts an inner shifter wire straight and flush? 

Joe Bernard

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Jason Fuller]

Really impressed by Mermaid's versatility with black, silver, or 
Leahtechnicolor builds!  Each has a totally different personality. 


On Sunday, 19 December 2021 at 19:22:59 UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

>
> was initially disappointed with the mermaid color when i received the bike 
> (nice color, not necessarily my style) but after the black and silver mix 
> (and the touch of cork) i'm a huge fan. black for sure helps, but i'd never 
> do an all black build again, not on a riv at least. pardon the background 
> disaster. i'll clean one day. 
>
> [image: IMG_0902.jpeg]
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 9:42:34 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, it’s a long story. I won’t hijack this thread with it here. But 
>> yes, another Platy for different purposes. And now I’m really never buying 
>> another bike. Ever. I’m set!
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2021, at 9:30 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> Another Platypus Leah? Very nice!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:15:02 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
>>> frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>>
 In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
 week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
 should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
 with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts 
 and 
 accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
 been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
 set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors 
 you've 
 tried, component colors, etc. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Huret dérailleurs

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well … I have a Jubilee on a bike that was built in around 2003. The derailleur 
was
probably used already by the time it was put on the bike, but it’s at least 
that old. I’ve put many miles on it, including a full brevet series and one 
edition of PBP. The previous owner put many more miles on it (I got the bike in 
2015). Still going strong and shifting very well indeed. 

Don’t underestimate the durability of those old French parts! 

P.S. I do have a backup Jubilee in my parts archive just in case, but so far no 
need for it. 

–Eric N


> On Dec 19, 2021, at 8:22 PM, Nick Payne  wrote:
> 
> 
> As someone who owned a couple of Duopars back in the 1980s, they worked 
> better than anything else around at the time when new, but they were rather 
> flimsy and easily bent, and even if you managed to avoid bending them, they 
> wore out rather quickly in real world conditions.
> 
> The Jubilee was just as fragile...
> 
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Good weekend on the Hillborne

[Jason Fuller]

New ride report from today on the Hillborne!  Poor bike is in desperate 
need of maintenance now, basically everything that moves is making a bad 
sound at this point. I'm just hitting 6000km on it, so I will be tearing it 
down to the frame over the holiday break for some much needed love. 

But it got the job done today on a challenging route that has left me 
physically in shambles! 
https://www.jasonmytail.com/2021/12/20/pitt-addington-winter-solsticeish/


On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 21:15:47 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Okay I've already done a bunch of updating on the wee website - haven't 
> put this one up yet but I put the original Bombadil ride report from a 
> year-ish ago up! This is the "un-cut" version before whittling it down to 
> fit within google groups' maximum post size.  Also allows for clicking to 
> hi-res photos, which is nice. 
> https://www.jasonmytail.com/2021/12/19/seymour-valley-loop/
>
> Of note, the partially-complete Riv timeline is on the site and I'm 
> starting to populate a bikes summary with links to a writeup on each bike 
> (very much wip) 
>
> On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 15:40:17 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Hmm good idea Eric, I do have jasonmytail.com which is where the 
>> Rivendell timeline project is in progress as well. It's a bare-bones 
>> website but I can definitely have a ride report blog section!  Something to 
>> do over the holiday break perhaps.  Thanks for the kind words Eric and 
>> Brendon! 
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 11:46 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing, Jason. I always dig your pics and write-ups. Do you 
>>> have a blog? I'd encourage you to start one as a place to archive all these 
>>> great stories! In the Wordpress, Blogger style of old. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 3:37:22 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Another great ride report, Jason. You always manage to capture the 
 magic of a good bike ride with your photography. Thankyou.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Huret dérailleurs

[Nick Payne]

As someone who owned a couple of Duopars back in the 1980s, they worked 
better than anything else around at the time when new, but they were rather 
flimsy and easily bent, and even if you managed to avoid bending them, they 
wore out rather quickly in real world conditions.

The Jubilee was just as fragile...

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[RBW] Re: Bike repair stand build

[Michael Baquerizo]

thank you kindly for posting this, i was one who initially asked in your 
build vids.

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> Hi all – I recently built a bike repair stand from gas plumbing parts and 
> a woodworking clamp. It's not as slick as some of the readily-available 
> stands out there but it gets the job done! There's a build video up here: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETabxLXPiYY
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Susie W Longbolts - 56(Large) - Orange

[Erik]

SOLD!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Leah Peterson]

Well, it’s a long story. I won’t hijack this thread with it here. But yes, 
another Platy for different purposes. And now I’m really never buying another 
bike. Ever. I’m set!

> On Dec 19, 2021, at 9:30 PM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
> Another Platypus Leah? Very nice!
> 
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:15:02 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
>> frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
>>> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
>>> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
>>> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
>>> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
>>> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
>>> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
>>> tried, component colors, etc. 
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[RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Ryan]

Another Platypus Leah? Very nice!

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:15:02 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
> frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
>> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
>> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
>> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
>> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
>> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
>> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
>> tried, component colors, etc. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: Thanks for this, very good to know. You said that 75 mm tires
(2.95") fit with ample room to spare on the Susie Longbolts; thus true 3
inchers -- 76 mm -- should fit at more than a pinch; right? (That's a
question, asking for an answer.)

So, I hope that the Suzy is a true option for a sand cruiser, as far as
tire width goes. Next question: You say, Rivs encourage seated pedaling.
This worries me, because I like high-torque, low-rpm pedaling, and this is
not for chainstay reasons, but rather because I find it more comfortable --
I feel more efficient torquing at low rpm, and I run out of breath when I
sit and twiddle uphill; even in my breathless senescence, I like shoving
back behind the bb and shoving forward on the pedals. Doubtless much of
this is habituation; I used to be a twiddler who would maintain 21-23 mph
over long distances on the flat in a 64" gear; but even in these years I'd
rarely used the lower gears on my cassette, and very clearly recall
standing to climb while shifting down just 5 or 10 gear inches under my 65"
- 70" cruising gears (now, 25 years later, my cruising gears are more like
7--75"). At any rate, I like to torque, and find 60" a nice climbing gear
for moderate, extended climbs (Tramway). I don't want a frame that makes
standing and honking awkward. Can you elaborate on your observation and on
my anxieties?

Also, I fear bars too high. I've always been more comfortable with a
sufficient bend between hips and thighs, and the few times I tried High and
Close the bike has felt tippy, awkward, inefficient, hard to pedal. Note:
this over decades of bike setup. Can a Susan be built to allow a
comfortable forward-lean position?

Must look up the Scapegoat. Would you kindly post a photo? But I dream of
the superlative Rivendell handling with a bike that will take 75s and let
me shove back and torque ...

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:58 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Answering your second question:  I had 2.4 and 2.3 tires on my Clem, with
> fenders.  It might have fit some 2.5 tires, but probably would have
> required ditching the fenders.  I mostly used the excellent Schwalbe Super
> Motos, which you're fond of too if I recall correctly.  Since these have
> shallow treads, most of that width is true casing volume, so they're good
> sand floatation tires.  In fact as you probably know, that's why they were
> invented - for beach races popular in Europe.   Having liked those, I
> wanted something similar but with even bigger volume for my Susie
> Longbolts, so I'm using V Speedsters.  They're labeled 2.8 but measure 75mm
> even at moderate inflation pressures.  This combination also fits fine,
> with way more than 3mm of clearance to the stays and fork blades.  On both
> bikes though, be aware that it's actually the fork crown that is/was the
> tight clearance point.  There's no way I'd be able to fit a 3" tire on the
> front - even without fenders.
>
> Addressing but not answering your first question:  I think one of the nice
> things about Rivendell's long-chainstay bikes is that you don't NEED to
> stand up and grind.  I sort of wonder if I got in the habit of standing on
> climbs because my bikes always used to have too-short chainstays, and it
> was necessary in order to keep the front wheel planted.  I can still stand
> (and occasionally like to) on the Rivs, but think they prefer to be ridden
> seated.  They're generally more forgving though, and the fore-aft balance
> point isn't nearly as critical.  Cockpit / handlebar choice is more
> important the the bike/frame design to me.
>
> If you're hell-bent on using 3" or wider tires, I have a Crust Scapegoat
> that I can't say enough good about.  Very Riv-inspired fit (shallow seat
> tube/low bottom bracket), but conventionally short chainstays.   And ugly
> as sin.  And heavier.  On that bike, I have 3.25 tires + 3X drivetrain +
> fenders, however!
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:33:31 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Slight tangent to thread -- but broad views are the sign of a liberally
>> educated person.
>>
>> I note that the Wolbis or whateverthehellitiscalled is described as a Gus
>> for lighter riders. Given Grant's penchant for overbuilding, I'd guess that
>> the Wolbis is fine for a 170-lb rider who never gets pinch flats.
>>
>> So, question to those of you who can compare the Wolbis, Gus, Clem, and
>> Platypus in a useful way, either because you've ridden several of them, or
>> because you can intelligently extrapolate from one to the other:
>>
>> ->>> Question: If you want that signature Riv handling for upright
>> riding in sandy conditions with tire width maxed out (full2.8"/70 mm), you
>> tend to torque higher gears instead of twiddling lower gears, you want a
>> single speed drivetrain (~65" for flatland sandy riding, would rather stand
>> and grunt instead of downshifting and spinning), and you will not be
>> carrying loads (have other bikes for that -- no damned Wald baskets): which
>> model 

Re: [RBW] Mermaid Builds

[Matthew Williams]

Wow, that's pretty slick! I love the colored components.

Could you please post the build list?




On Dec 19, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

> I forgot, this was the inspiration: 
> 
> 
> There will be front and rear racks, and I’ll mount the lights on them. Gold 
> headlight, green taillight. 
> 
> And bags:
> 
> 
> Call Analog in Vermont. They can do anything. ANYTHING!
> Leah
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2021, at 6:16 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Green/lime/gold on mermaid:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
>>> frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
>>> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
>>> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
>>> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
>>> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
>>> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
>>> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
>>> tried, component colors, etc. 
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Re: [RBW] Bar tape and shellac combination to match cream details

[Eric Marth]

I like Rich's idea! Yellow or white tape with amber shellac looks great. 

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 11:26:08 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Deepak,
>
> Try yellow bar tape + amber shellac. Here is an in-progress image of just 
> that with five coats of amber. I used the same combination on a previously 
> owned Homer. Looks very nice paired with Homer blue. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>   
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:13:29 AM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eric for your inputs . I might just go with white bar tape and 
>> amber shellac ( classic French constructeurs style ) to add little warmth 
>> to homer blue. If anyone else any other ideas or combination that works 
>> well with Homer let me know . 
>>
>> Cheers ,
>> Deepak
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:28, atreya...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried cloth bar tape and shellac combination to get close to 
>> the cream details on Rivendell. I am thinking of these two options
>>
>>
>> 1. White + Clear shellac : I am assuming that clear shellac will slightly 
>> tint the white 
>> 2. Viva toshi off-white tape + clear shellac.
>>
>> Has anyone tried any of these combinations? What was the result ? If you 
>> have pics would be great  !
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Deepak
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[RBW] Bike repair stand build

[Eric Marth]

Hi all – I recently built a bike repair stand from gas plumbing parts and a 
woodworking clamp. It's not as slick as some of the readily-available 
stands out there but it gets the job done! There's a build video up here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETabxLXPiYY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Erik]

Wow!  I was on IG about five minutes after I posted this and saw the post 
from Analog.  What a gorgeous build, Leah!  I've been looking at golds, 
burnt orange, and brown, but hadn't thought about green with that color. I 
actually have lime green deity pedals on the orange Susie right now and 
lots of little green bling from my orange bikes.  I'll keep them on hand 
after seeing this!  Thank you for posting this and congratulations on a 
beautiful bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[iamkeith]

Patrick, 

Answering your second question:  I had 2.4 and 2.3 tires on my Clem, with 
fenders.  It might have fit some 2.5 tires, but probably would have 
required ditching the fenders.  I mostly used the excellent Schwalbe Super 
Motos, which you're fond of too if I recall correctly.  Since these have 
shallow treads, most of that width is true casing volume, so they're good 
sand floatation tires.  In fact as you probably know, that's why they were 
invented - for beach races popular in Europe.   Having liked those, I 
wanted something similar but with even bigger volume for my Susie 
Longbolts, so I'm using V Speedsters.  They're labeled 2.8 but measure 75mm 
even at moderate inflation pressures.  This combination also fits fine, 
with way more than 3mm of clearance to the stays and fork blades.  On both 
bikes though, be aware that it's actually the fork crown that is/was the 
tight clearance point.  There's no way I'd be able to fit a 3" tire on the 
front - even without fenders.

Addressing but not answering your first question:  I think one of the nice 
things about Rivendell's long-chainstay bikes is that you don't NEED to 
stand up and grind.  I sort of wonder if I got in the habit of standing on 
climbs because my bikes always used to have too-short chainstays, and it 
was necessary in order to keep the front wheel planted.  I can still stand 
(and occasionally like to) on the Rivs, but think they prefer to be ridden 
seated.  They're generally more forgving though, and the fore-aft balance 
point isn't nearly as critical.  Cockpit / handlebar choice is more 
important the the bike/frame design to me.  

If you're hell-bent on using 3" or wider tires, I have a Crust Scapegoat 
that I can't say enough good about.  Very Riv-inspired fit (shallow seat 
tube/low bottom bracket), but conventionally short chainstays.   And ugly 
as sin.  And heavier.  On that bike, I have 3.25 tires + 3X drivetrain + 
fenders, however!

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:33:31 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Slight tangent to thread -- but broad views are the sign of a liberally 
> educated person.
>
> I note that the Wolbis or whateverthehellitiscalled is described as a Gus 
> for lighter riders. Given Grant's penchant for overbuilding, I'd guess that 
> the Wolbis is fine for a 170-lb rider who never gets pinch flats. 
>
> So, question to those of you who can compare the Wolbis, Gus, Clem, and 
> Platypus in a useful way, either because you've ridden several of them, or 
> because you can intelligently extrapolate from one to the other:
>
> ->>> Question: If you want that signature Riv handling for upright 
> riding in sandy conditions with tire width maxed out (full2.8"/70 mm), you 
> tend to torque higher gears instead of twiddling lower gears, you want a 
> single speed drivetrain (~65" for flatland sandy riding, would rather stand 
> and grunt instead of downshifting and spinning), and you will not be 
> carrying loads (have other bikes for that -- no damned Wald baskets): which 
> model would you choose? And if you'd choose a model from another maker, 
> please explain why.
>
> And: Go beyond the published specs: Can any Riv model take a true 3"/76 mm 
> tire with at least 3 mm to stays?
>
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> I hope Grant doesn't get mad at me, but I think this is one version:
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/THIS_ONE_Hilliworker_October_9.pdf?364
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Joe Bernard]

I'ma call Analog and say "This is my inspiration. Just find me something in 
Mermaid and do this. Change nothing!" 

That's a stunning bicycle, Leah. Well done! 

Joe Bernard


On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 4:39:06 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I forgot, this was the inspiration: 
>
> There will be front and rear racks, and I’ll mount the lights on them. 
> Gold headlight, green taillight. 
>
> And bags:
>
>
> Call Analog in Vermont. They can do anything. ANYTHING!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 19, 2021, at 6:16 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Green/lime/gold on mermaid:
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
> frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
>> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
>> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
>> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
>> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
>> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
>> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
>> tried, component colors, etc. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Joe Bernard]

FTR the current (I didn't reread the old mock brochure) weight limit on 
Susie is 205 lbs.  If you're under that limit and like quill stems, there 
ya go. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 2:33:31 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Slight tangent to thread -- but broad views are the sign of a liberally 
> educated person.
>
> I note that the Wolbis or whateverthehellitiscalled is described as a Gus 
> for lighter riders. Given Grant's penchant for overbuilding, I'd guess that 
> the Wolbis is fine for a 170-lb rider who never gets pinch flats. 
>
> So, question to those of you who can compare the Wolbis, Gus, Clem, and 
> Platypus in a useful way, either because you've ridden several of them, or 
> because you can intelligently extrapolate from one to the other:
>
> ->>> Question: If you want that signature Riv handling for upright 
> riding in sandy conditions with tire width maxed out (full2.8"/70 mm), you 
> tend to torque higher gears instead of twiddling lower gears, you want a 
> single speed drivetrain (~65" for flatland sandy riding, would rather stand 
> and grunt instead of downshifting and spinning), and you will not be 
> carrying loads (have other bikes for that -- no damned Wald baskets): which 
> model would you choose? And if you'd choose a model from another maker, 
> please explain why.
>
> And: Go beyond the published specs: Can any Riv model take a true 3"/76 mm 
> tire with at least 3 mm to stays?
>
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> I hope Grant doesn't get mad at me, but I think this is one version:
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/THIS_ONE_Hilliworker_October_9.pdf?364
>>
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Re: [RBW] For sale: Heron Road Touring

[Joe Bernard]

Potential buyers need the seattube measurement to help determine if they 
can swing a leg over it. Preferably center of crank bolt to top of toptube, 
that's how Riv measures frames. 

Joe Bernard
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:22:48 PM UTC-8 twowheeledtexan wrote:

>
> Hi Patrick,
>  
> Yes, you read the sizing correctly. It’s a 57cm frame and I included the 
> down tube measurement just FYI. I believe Heron’s website has more sizing 
> info. 
>
> I hope the pricing is considered fair. I’m not personally a fan of price 
> gouging based on current events, but that’s life. 
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 4:41:39 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> $1200 is a nice price for a bike as well designed and built up as this, 
>> especially in today's bike-price climate.
>>
>> Aaron: you said: *Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube.*
>>
>> Do you mean 58 seat tube center to center, and 57 cm top tube center to 
>> center?
>>
>> No one I've heard of sizes a bike by down tube.
>>
>> I'd be interested if I didn't have my 2020 Chauncey "near clone with AM 
>> hub and integrated fenders, racks, lights" substitute for an earlier Riv 
>> Road custom.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 2:44 PM twowheeledtexan  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello RBWOB, I offer for sale my well loved Heron Road Touring in size 
>>> 57cm. This is a wonderful riding bike that I’ve actually bought twice. I 
>>> regretted selling it the first time and luckily bought it back. It’s 
>>> currently not getting the use it deserves and if I’m being honest with 
>>> myself it’s not perfectly sized for me so I’m letting it go. The feel of 
>>> this bike is livelier than my double TT Sam, but not as quick as a Romulus. 
>>> I will say that I used to live on a ridge in the Seattle area with a short 
>>> 18% grade that I commuted up daily. This bike I always felt would climb in 
>>> a higher gear than any other bike I commuted on. If memory serves right the 
>>> tubing is Reynolds 531. Herons were  designed by Grant Peterson and built 
>>> in Wisconsin by Waterford. Bike is located in northwest Indiana an hour 
>>> outside of Chicago. Asking $1200. I’ll cover packing by my lbs, you pay 
>>> actual shipping. 
>>>
>>> This bike is in used but not abused condition. It has some scratches in 
>>> the paint and isn’t perfect but still looks very nice. There is a dent in 
>>> the area of the right down tube shifter boss. Is was damaged during 
>>> shipping. It doesn’t affect the ride that I can tell and it being steel I’d 
>>> feel confident leaving it this way for the remainder of its life. However I 
>>> contacted Waterford about a repair and received this reply from Richard 
>>> Schwinn himself:
>>>
>>> Worst case scenario:
>>>
>>> Replace downtube/bosses:  $250
>>>
>>> Repaint: $700.
>>>
>>> If we can pull out the dent, replace the boss and touch up:  Figure 
>>> $4-500.  Unfortunately we'll need to replace the decals because the blend 
>>> will overlap.
>>>
>>> If you repaint, it's your opportunity to try a new color (though we have 
>>> the old one as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, on to the build. 
>>>
>>> VO Grand Cru 46cm handlebars
>>>
>>> Nitro stem 10cm
>>>
>>> Dia  comp brake levers
>>>
>>> Shimano cantis
>>>
>>> Nitro seatpost
>>>
>>> Selle  Anatomica  saddle
>>>
>>> Brooks leather bar tape ( been rewrapped a few times but still has life)
>>>
>>> Sugino triple 172.5 mm
>>>
>>> Shimano Tiagra  front derailleur
>>>
>>> Shimano XTR rear
>>>
>>> 9spd cassette
>>>
>>> Shimano shifters
>>>
>>> Velocity rims with Schmidt dynamo hub and XTR rear
>>>
>>> Honjo 35mm fenders
>>>
>>> Schwalbe Marathons 32mm
>>>
>>>
>>> Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube. 
>>>
>>> More info: http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] For sale: Heron Road Touring

[twowheeledtexan]

Hi Patrick,
 
Yes, you read the sizing correctly. It’s a 57cm frame and I included the 
down tube measurement just FYI. I believe Heron’s website has more sizing 
info. 

I hope the pricing is considered fair. I’m not personally a fan of price 
gouging based on current events, but that’s life. 
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 4:41:39 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> $1200 is a nice price for a bike as well designed and built up as this, 
> especially in today's bike-price climate.
>
> Aaron: you said: *Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube.*
>
> Do you mean 58 seat tube center to center, and 57 cm top tube center to 
> center?
>
> No one I've heard of sizes a bike by down tube.
>
> I'd be interested if I didn't have my 2020 Chauncey "near clone with AM 
> hub and integrated fenders, racks, lights" substitute for an earlier Riv 
> Road custom.
>
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 2:44 PM twowheeledtexan  wrote:
>
>> Hello RBWOB, I offer for sale my well loved Heron Road Touring in size 
>> 57cm. This is a wonderful riding bike that I’ve actually bought twice. I 
>> regretted selling it the first time and luckily bought it back. It’s 
>> currently not getting the use it deserves and if I’m being honest with 
>> myself it’s not perfectly sized for me so I’m letting it go. The feel of 
>> this bike is livelier than my double TT Sam, but not as quick as a Romulus. 
>> I will say that I used to live on a ridge in the Seattle area with a short 
>> 18% grade that I commuted up daily. This bike I always felt would climb in 
>> a higher gear than any other bike I commuted on. If memory serves right the 
>> tubing is Reynolds 531. Herons were  designed by Grant Peterson and built 
>> in Wisconsin by Waterford. Bike is located in northwest Indiana an hour 
>> outside of Chicago. Asking $1200. I’ll cover packing by my lbs, you pay 
>> actual shipping. 
>>
>> This bike is in used but not abused condition. It has some scratches in 
>> the paint and isn’t perfect but still looks very nice. There is a dent in 
>> the area of the right down tube shifter boss. Is was damaged during 
>> shipping. It doesn’t affect the ride that I can tell and it being steel I’d 
>> feel confident leaving it this way for the remainder of its life. However I 
>> contacted Waterford about a repair and received this reply from Richard 
>> Schwinn himself:
>>
>> Worst case scenario:
>>
>> Replace downtube/bosses:  $250
>>
>> Repaint: $700.
>>
>> If we can pull out the dent, replace the boss and touch up:  Figure 
>> $4-500.  Unfortunately we'll need to replace the decals because the blend 
>> will overlap.
>>
>> If you repaint, it's your opportunity to try a new color (though we have 
>> the old one as well.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Ok, on to the build. 
>>
>> VO Grand Cru 46cm handlebars
>>
>> Nitro stem 10cm
>>
>> Dia  comp brake levers
>>
>> Shimano cantis
>>
>> Nitro seatpost
>>
>> Selle  Anatomica  saddle
>>
>> Brooks leather bar tape ( been rewrapped a few times but still has life)
>>
>> Sugino triple 172.5 mm
>>
>> Shimano Tiagra  front derailleur
>>
>> Shimano XTR rear
>>
>> 9spd cassette
>>
>> Shimano shifters
>>
>> Velocity rims with Schmidt dynamo hub and XTR rear
>>
>> Honjo 35mm fenders
>>
>> Schwalbe Marathons 32mm
>>
>>
>> Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube. 
>>
>> More info: http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html
>>
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Funny you should ask. Let me show you the green/lime/gold on a mermaid 
frame. I’ll link in the following post because it’s easier in Gmail….
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
> tried, component colors, etc. 

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Re: [RBW] For sale: Heron Road Touring

[Patrick Moore]

$1200 is a nice price for a bike as well designed and built up as this,
especially in today's bike-price climate.

Aaron: you said: *Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube.*

Do you mean 58 seat tube center to center, and 57 cm top tube center to
center?

No one I've heard of sizes a bike by down tube.

I'd be interested if I didn't have my 2020 Chauncey "near clone with AM hub
and integrated fenders, racks, lights" substitute for an earlier Riv Road
custom.

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 2:44 PM twowheeledtexan  wrote:

> Hello RBWOB, I offer for sale my well loved Heron Road Touring in size
> 57cm. This is a wonderful riding bike that I’ve actually bought twice. I
> regretted selling it the first time and luckily bought it back. It’s
> currently not getting the use it deserves and if I’m being honest with
> myself it’s not perfectly sized for me so I’m letting it go. The feel of
> this bike is livelier than my double TT Sam, but not as quick as a Romulus.
> I will say that I used to live on a ridge in the Seattle area with a short
> 18% grade that I commuted up daily. This bike I always felt would climb in
> a higher gear than any other bike I commuted on. If memory serves right the
> tubing is Reynolds 531. Herons were  designed by Grant Peterson and built
> in Wisconsin by Waterford. Bike is located in northwest Indiana an hour
> outside of Chicago. Asking $1200. I’ll cover packing by my lbs, you pay
> actual shipping.
>
> This bike is in used but not abused condition. It has some scratches in
> the paint and isn’t perfect but still looks very nice. There is a dent in
> the area of the right down tube shifter boss. Is was damaged during
> shipping. It doesn’t affect the ride that I can tell and it being steel I’d
> feel confident leaving it this way for the remainder of its life. However I
> contacted Waterford about a repair and received this reply from Richard
> Schwinn himself:
>
> Worst case scenario:
>
> Replace downtube/bosses:  $250
>
> Repaint: $700.
>
> If we can pull out the dent, replace the boss and touch up:  Figure
> $4-500.  Unfortunately we'll need to replace the decals because the blend
> will overlap.
>
> If you repaint, it's your opportunity to try a new color (though we have
> the old one as well.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
>
> Ok, on to the build.
>
> VO Grand Cru 46cm handlebars
>
> Nitro stem 10cm
>
> Dia  comp brake levers
>
> Shimano cantis
>
> Nitro seatpost
>
> Selle  Anatomica  saddle
>
> Brooks leather bar tape ( been rewrapped a few times but still has life)
>
> Sugino triple 172.5 mm
>
> Shimano Tiagra  front derailleur
>
> Shimano XTR rear
>
> 9spd cassette
>
> Shimano shifters
>
> Velocity rims with Schmidt dynamo hub and XTR rear
>
> Honjo 35mm fenders
>
> Schwalbe Marathons 32mm
>
>
> Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube.
>
> More info: http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html
>
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Aaron
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Patrick Moore]

Slight tangent to thread -- but broad views are the sign of a liberally
educated person.

I note that the Wolbis or whateverthehellitiscalled is described as a Gus
for lighter riders. Given Grant's penchant for overbuilding, I'd guess that
the Wolbis is fine for a 170-lb rider who never gets pinch flats.

So, question to those of you who can compare the Wolbis, Gus, Clem, and
Platypus in a useful way, either because you've ridden several of them, or
because you can intelligently extrapolate from one to the other:

->>> Question: If you want that signature Riv handling for upright
riding in sandy conditions with tire width maxed out (full2.8"/70 mm), you
tend to torque higher gears instead of twiddling lower gears, you want a
single speed drivetrain (~65" for flatland sandy riding, would rather stand
and grunt instead of downshifting and spinning), and you will not be
carrying loads (have other bikes for that -- no damned Wald baskets): which
model would you choose? And if you'd choose a model from another maker,
please explain why.

And: Go beyond the published specs: Can any Riv model take a true 3"/76 mm
tire with at least 3 mm to stays?

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 9:56 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> I hope Grant doesn't get mad at me, but I think this is one version:
>
>
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/THIS_ONE_Hilliworker_October_9.pdf?364
>

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[RBW] For sale: Heron Road Touring

[twowheeledtexan]

Hello RBWOB, I offer for sale my well loved Heron Road Touring in size 
57cm. This is a wonderful riding bike that I’ve actually bought twice. I 
regretted selling it the first time and luckily bought it back. It’s 
currently not getting the use it deserves and if I’m being honest with 
myself it’s not perfectly sized for me so I’m letting it go. The feel of 
this bike is livelier than my double TT Sam, but not as quick as a Romulus. 
I will say that I used to live on a ridge in the Seattle area with a short 
18% grade that I commuted up daily. This bike I always felt would climb in 
a higher gear than any other bike I commuted on. If memory serves right the 
tubing is Reynolds 531. Herons were  designed by Grant Peterson and built 
in Wisconsin by Waterford. Bike is located in northwest Indiana an hour 
outside of Chicago. Asking $1200. I’ll cover packing by my lbs, you pay 
actual shipping. 

This bike is in used but not abused condition. It has some scratches in the 
paint and isn’t perfect but still looks very nice. There is a dent in the 
area of the right down tube shifter boss. Is was damaged during shipping. 
It doesn’t affect the ride that I can tell and it being steel I’d feel 
confident leaving it this way for the remainder of its life. However I 
contacted Waterford about a repair and received this reply from Richard 
Schwinn himself:

Worst case scenario:

Replace downtube/bosses:  $250

Repaint: $700.

If we can pull out the dent, replace the boss and touch up:  Figure 
$4-500.  Unfortunately we'll need to replace the decals because the blend 
will overlap.

If you repaint, it's your opportunity to try a new color (though we have 
the old one as well.

Thanks

Richard


Ok, on to the build. 

VO Grand Cru 46cm handlebars

Nitro stem 10cm

Dia  comp brake levers

Shimano cantis

Nitro seatpost

Selle  Anatomica  saddle

Brooks leather bar tape ( been rewrapped a few times but still has life)

Sugino triple 172.5 mm

Shimano Tiagra  front derailleur

Shimano XTR rear

9spd cassette

Shimano shifters

Velocity rims with Schmidt dynamo hub and XTR rear

Honjo 35mm fenders

Schwalbe Marathons 32mm


Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube. 

More info: http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html


Thanks for looking!

Aaron


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[RBW] FS: 2 bikes, bags, tents, bars etc.

[Drw]

I put the bikes up earlier this year and was not wanting to ship. I am open 
to shipping now, as long as nobody is in a huge rush. Shipping cost is not 
included in any of the items unless otherwise noted. I'm open to reasonable 
offers, and would definitely discount for multiple items. Located in los 
angeles if anyone wants to pick up/look in person. Photos are here. 
  
Thanks for looking,  
Drew.

*Ron's Bikes/Ultraromance/Fabios fanny handlebar bag or hip pack- *olive/tan 
xpac. brand new and perpetually out of stock. i preordered this, forgot i 
had, then got a different handlebar bag that is working really well for me. 
the quality on this bag is truly impressive. I'm a bag swapper and this is 
one of the nicest that has passed through my hands. *165$*

*Rivendell/Duluth seat bag-* this bag is in good shape but has been 
modified to use an elastic strap instead of leather buckle by a previous 
owner.* 30$*

*-Nitto B904 Bullmoose- *threadless, mounted but never ridden- *120*$ 
*shipped* CONUS

*-Old man mountain rear rack- *This fits great on a bike friday or smaller 
wheeled bike without the longer legs. Also fits on a regular bike with the 
longer legs. I don't know a ton about it, but i need it gone *40$ *

*Nemo Hornet 1p tent*- this has been my go to tent for the last 2 years 
whenever im alone. But camping alone has become pretty rare, so this has 
only seen somewhere between 15-20 nights of use. its super light, 
freestanding, roomy for 1, easy to setup and solid. It fits in the 
outershell bag without the poles. includes tent, fly, poles, stakes and 
original bags, and tyvek footprint info here 
.  *250$*

*Six moon designs lunar solo*- info here 
. This is brand new. I 
tested it out one night in my backyard. It has been factory seam sealed 
(+35$). it is the current silpoly version which is arguably better. It uses 
a trekking pole or a smaller pole you can buy from SMD or other places that 
do the single wall tent thing. It can squash down to the size of a large 
nalgene. Selling because i was offered a lightly used dyneema tarp tent 
right after purchasing this. *235$* which eats the seam sealing cost and 
some shipping.   **this is being sold as it was purchased and does not 
include stakes or a pole* *

*Alcohol stove/pan/plate- *new-ish trangia style stove with pot stand. GSI 
glacier fry pan with removable handle that has been used 2x.* 20$*

*Bike Friday Pocket Llama disc- *I purchased this to replace a brompton and 
i had lofty goals of taking it on planes and going exploring. Covid and the 
2 year old in my house had different plans and i dont see at least one of 
them relenting soon. I did spend some time and money recently overhauling 
it, so aside from the frame and wheels, nearly everything is new. Tire 
clearance is great and you could fit something even bigger. I am the second 
owner. Its a pretty badass little bike that rides surprisingly normal. Some 
little scuffs to the paint, but no rust, dents etc.  *1450$ (willing to 
discuss selling just the frame)*

Not sure exactly how to measure this, but I usually ride a 56-58cm, and 
this was easy to set up with the same specs. 
Effective top tube-56cm c-c
Seat tube- 51cm

Microshift advent 1x9 drivetrain with a bar end shifter. (will include 
original fd)
Sugino Clipper crank 170 with FSA megatooth 1x ring
bb7 brakes
BF folding steering mast installed, and will include original as well. 
Spank 5cm stem
Salsa Cowchipper bars
Dia-compe long pull drop levers
Alex DM18 rims with Sram hubs and Schwalbe marathon 50mm
New Chain, cables, bottle cage, seatpost and bottom bracket. 
will include an Old man mountain rack that can be used on the rear and sit 
at a proportional height.
(saddle and pedals not included)

*1984 Trek 420 mixte 650b conversion- *built this for my partner about 7 
years ago but she has a rivendell now, so this just sits. Most of the 
components have seen only a few rides. I believe it's the only year they 
made a step thru bike. More info can be found on the vintage trek catalog 
site. It has been powdercoated black with decals from velocals, and 
converted to 650b. currently has 38's on now but could probably fit 42's. 
Its in really nice shape. *500$*
Effective TT-52.5cm c-c
Seat tube -49cm
Wheelset-Velocity synergy to vtg shimano hubs. Soma 650x38 tires. 
7 speed cassette
Tektro long reach brakes
VO Bars
Tiagra brake levers
Suntour Thumb shifters
Altus RD
Deore triple crank
Gyes leather saddle
(bag/lights not included)

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[RBW] Mermaid Builds

[Erik]

In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
tried, component colors, etc. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Roberta]

Laura,

I think you'll be very happy--it rides so well.  Perhaps, now that there is 
so much information on this thread especially from Kate and Chris, my next 
set of tires might be 48's.  That will further help distinguish my two 
bikes.  I just love my Platy!

Roberta

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 9:51:18 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the continued feedback. I took my dog out on a long hike during 
> the Susie presale! I was relieved that the smalls sold out before I got 
> back home. I did not want the temptation!
>
> I am looking forward to a Platypus. It is nice to have plenty of time to 
> collect all of the components I will need. I wish they would announce 
> colors for the next shipment in advance!!!
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:37:08 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh My, I love the dog, the bike, and the story too.
>> What a time you will have.  So happy for you.  It is a special 'pixie 
>> dust' indeed!  
>> Many happy miles of riding is my wish for you and your friend!
>> Love, Kate[image: IMG_5700.JPG]
>> I rode 25 miles along the New Jersey coast yesterday and had a smile the 
>> entire time.
>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Chris, 
>>>
>>> I love it so much. The dog, the bike, the story. 
>>>
>>> I agree that there is something special about a Platypus, and really, 
>>> the Rivendell mixtes as a group. I so rarely see them re-sold; mostly 
>>> people hang onto them; occasionally I will see one re-sold because it was 
>>> purchased for a spouse and it isn’t being ridden. There is a certain pixie 
>>> dust the elves at Rivendell infuse in the mixte frames, and they are rarely 
>>> parted with! You are so fortunate to have found one for sale. 
>>>
>>> I took my Platypus out exploring the new neighborhood (we just moved 
>>> across the country a few days ago) and it was such a comfort to have this 
>>> familiar, gorgeous creature accompany me on my new adventure.
>>>
>>> Laura, I wish you an orange Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm going to echo Kate's experience: Just bought a Platy, and it's 
>>> amazing. 
>>>
>>> I had the privilege of visiting RBW in November when we took a trip up 
>>> the coast, after owning a half dozen of their bikes, and got to ride a 
>>> couple of Grant's bikes. I loved the MIT Atlantis, but was thinking the 
>>> Clem was the better bike for me. It rode great. I did not ride, but I did 
>>> look closely at Will's Gus (or Susie). I used to race mountain bikes, but 
>>> pretty much limit my off-roading to hikes in the Los Padres hills near to 
>>> our home. The Gus/Susie looked like more bike than I would need. Having 
>>> said that, I love the design of the Susie, at least as much as the 
>>> Platypus, and my first MTB was a filleted-by-Tom Ritchey. I love that bike, 
>>> but know I don't need the tire clearance it offers. 
>>>
>>> I'd read somewhere on this group that someone preferred a front load on 
>>> their Platypus over their Susie, and that's a big selling point to me. I 
>>> have a hitchhiker who tags along when I ride alone, as you can see in the 
>>> photos. 
>>>
>>> I was going to give the thumbs up on a Clem with Will, and then thought 
>>> what the heck, I'll check Craigslist as long as we're in Sonoma - and there 
>>> was a Platypus for sale. I got there as quick as I could, rode it, and 
>>> bought it right away. It has the most wonderful and lively and predictable 
>>> ride. Gobsmacked. 
>>>
>>> The roads I ride on can be a little rough (only on the Santa Barbara 
>>> side of the city - they are of course pristine over in Montecito), and the 
>>> 48mm tires are more than enough to accommodate the chipseal (again, see the 
>>> photos). I love the low bottom bracket, the chainstay length, and it is the 
>>> most beautiful bike I've ever seen. 
>>>
>>> So that's why *I* selected the Platypus, and it's a marvel of design. 
>>> I'm sure the Susie is the same for its intended purpose, and if I lived 
>>> where the trails were a little wider, and a little less rocky and steep, 
>>> I'd be in your dilemma. 
>>>
>>> You're going to love whichever one you get, and we all look forward to 
>>> the photos. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>> SB, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: For Trade: Acorn Compact Rando Bag in Black X-Pac

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Paul,

I just sent you a PM. I've got a tan Acorn saddlebag and can send pics if 
you're interested.

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:25:18 AM UTC-5 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> PS: Here's a link to the bag on the Acorn website!
>
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/x-pac-compact-rando-bag?variant=31410202804358
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-5 Paul in Vermont wrote:
>
>> Howdy Everyone.
>>
>> I'd like to trade my (brand new and awesome) *Acorn Compact Rando Bag in 
>> Black X-Pac *for either an *Acorn X-Pac Compact Saddlebag*, or an *Acorn 
>> Medium Saddlebag... *if anyone has one to trade.
>>
>> I bought the Rando bag last Spring for my Atlantis, but realized I am 
>> just too in love with my half basket and I never actually even mounted it. 
>> So it's new and never used.
>>
>> Image of my bag attached!
>>
>> [image: IMG_2108.jpg]
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Paul
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[sam . perez . 2002]

Is the Susie better suited for rear loading? I tend to do front loading for 
ease of access. Has anyone experienced a front loaded susie over road/lumpy 
trails.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2021, at 6:51 AM, Laura  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the continued feedback. I took my dog out on a long hike during 
> the Susie presale! I was relieved that the smalls sold out before I got back 
> home. I did not want the temptation!
> 
> I am looking forward to a Platypus. It is nice to have plenty of time to 
> collect all of the components I will need. I wish they would announce colors 
> for the next shipment in advance!!!
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:37:08 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Oh My, I love the dog, the bike, and the story too.
>> What a time you will have.  So happy for you.  It is a special 'pixie 
>> dust' indeed!  
>> Many happy miles of riding is my wish for you and your friend!
>> Love, Kate
>> I rode 25 miles along the New Jersey coast yesterday and had a smile the 
>> entire time.
>>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> Chris, 
>>> 
>>> I love it so much. The dog, the bike, the story. 
>>> 
>>> I agree that there is something special about a Platypus, and really, the 
>>> Rivendell mixtes as a group. I so rarely see them re-sold; mostly people 
>>> hang onto them; occasionally I will see one re-sold because it was 
>>> purchased for a spouse and it isn’t being ridden. There is a certain pixie 
>>> dust the elves at Rivendell infuse in the mixte frames, and they are rarely 
>>> parted with! You are so fortunate to have found one for sale. 
>>> 
>>> I took my Platypus out exploring the new neighborhood (we just moved across 
>>> the country a few days ago) and it was such a comfort to have this 
>>> familiar, gorgeous creature accompany me on my new adventure.
>>> 
>>> Laura, I wish you an orange Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> 
> On Dec 18, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
> 
 Laura
>>> 
 
 I'm going to echo Kate's experience: Just bought a Platy, and it's 
 amazing. 
 
 I had the privilege of visiting RBW in November when we took a trip up the 
 coast, after owning a half dozen of their bikes, and got to ride a couple 
 of Grant's bikes. I loved the MIT Atlantis, but was thinking the Clem was 
 the better bike for me. It rode great. I did not ride, but I did look 
 closely at Will's Gus (or Susie). I used to race mountain bikes, but 
 pretty much limit my off-roading to hikes in the Los Padres hills near to 
 our home. The Gus/Susie looked like more bike than I would need. Having 
 said that, I love the design of the Susie, at least as much as the 
 Platypus, and my first MTB was a filleted-by-Tom Ritchey. I love that 
 bike, but know I don't need the tire clearance it offers. 
 
 I'd read somewhere on this group that someone preferred a front load on 
 their Platypus over their Susie, and that's a big selling point to me. I 
 have a hitchhiker who tags along when I ride alone, as you can see in the 
 photos. 
 
 I was going to give the thumbs up on a Clem with Will, and then thought 
 what the heck, I'll check Craigslist as long as we're in Sonoma - and 
 there was a Platypus for sale. I got there as quick as I could, rode it, 
 and bought it right away. It has the most wonderful and lively and 
 predictable ride. Gobsmacked. 
 
 The roads I ride on can be a little rough (only on the Santa Barbara side 
 of the city - they are of course pristine over in Montecito), and the 48mm 
 tires are more than enough to accommodate the chipseal (again, see the 
 photos). I love the low bottom bracket, the chainstay length, and it is 
 the most beautiful bike I've ever seen. 
 
 So that's why *I* selected the Platypus, and it's a marvel of design. I'm 
 sure the Susie is the same for its intended purpose, and if I lived where 
 the trails were a little wider, and a little less rocky and steep, I'd be 
 in your dilemma. 
 
 You're going to love whichever one you get, and we all look forward to the 
 photos. 
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Chris 
 SB, CA
 
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[RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Ray Varella]

Thank you Keith,
I recall seeing mention of Genghis and the Mongolian horseman/women but not 
all of this info in one place. 

Cheers,
Ray
On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow this is really awesome! Thanks Keith B) 
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 11:56:40 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> I hope Grant doesn't get mad at me, but I think this is one version:
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/THIS_ONE_Hilliworker_October_9.pdf?364
>>
>> It's really rough, and he originally shared it warts-and-all, in the 
>> spirit of openness and fun.  Some people have trouble with that, and feel 
>> compelled to criticize or correct, which wasn't the point. I doubt that's 
>> why it hasn't been finished yet, but read it in that vein.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have any of those files, Johnny? 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:58:11 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 They released the working files I believe but an official brochure was 
 never finalized.

 On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:05:36 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> I know there have been several times it was mentioned but I don’t 
> recall seeing a catalog devoted to the Hillibikes. 
> I’m sure if it exists, it would contain some worthwhile information. 
>
> Can anyone confirm whether or not it was produced?
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
>


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[RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Eric Marth]

Wow this is really awesome! Thanks Keith B) 

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 11:56:40 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> I hope Grant doesn't get mad at me, but I think this is one version:
>
>
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/THIS_ONE_Hilliworker_October_9.pdf?364
>
> It's really rough, and he originally shared it warts-and-all, in the 
> spirit of openness and fun.  Some people have trouble with that, and feel 
> compelled to criticize or correct, which wasn't the point. I doubt that's 
> why it hasn't been finished yet, but read it in that vein.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Do you have any of those files, Johnny? 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:58:11 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> They released the working files I believe but an official brochure was 
>>> never finalized.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:05:36 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 I know there have been several times it was mentioned but I don’t 
 recall seeing a catalog devoted to the Hillibikes. 
 I’m sure if it exists, it would contain some worthwhile information. 

 Can anyone confirm whether or not it was produced?

 Thank you 
 Ray

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[iamkeith]

I hope Grant doesn't get mad at me, but I think this is one version:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/THIS_ONE_Hilliworker_October_9.pdf?364

It's really rough, and he originally shared it warts-and-all, in the spirit 
of openness and fun.  Some people have trouble with that, and feel 
compelled to criticize or correct, which wasn't the point. I doubt that's 
why it hasn't been finished yet, but read it in that vein.




On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Do you have any of those files, Johnny? 
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:58:11 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> They released the working files I believe but an official brochure was 
>> never finalized.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:05:36 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> I know there have been several times it was mentioned but I don’t recall 
>>> seeing a catalog devoted to the Hillibikes. 
>>> I’m sure if it exists, it would contain some worthwhile information. 
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm whether or not it was produced?
>>>
>>> Thank you 
>>> Ray
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bar tape and shellac combination to match cream details

[RichS]

Deepak,

Try yellow bar tape + amber shellac. Here is an in-progress image of just 
that with five coats of amber. I used the same combination on a previously 
owned Homer. Looks very nice paired with Homer blue. 

Best,
Rich in ATL
  

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:13:29 AM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Eric for your inputs . I might just go with white bar tape and 
> amber shellac ( classic French constructeurs style ) to add little warmth 
> to homer blue. If anyone else any other ideas or combination that works 
> well with Homer let me know . 
>
> Cheers ,
> Deepak
>
> On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:28, atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried cloth bar tape and shellac combination to get close to 
> the cream details on Rivendell. I am thinking of these two options
>
>
> 1. White + Clear shellac : I am assuming that clear shellac will slightly 
> tint the white 
> 2. Viva toshi off-white tape + clear shellac.
>
> Has anyone tried any of these combinations? What was the result ? If you 
> have pics would be great  !
>
> Thanks,
> Deepak
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

Thanks for the continued feedback. I took my dog out on a long hike during 
the Susie presale! I was relieved that the smalls sold out before I got 
back home. I did not want the temptation!

I am looking forward to a Platypus. It is nice to have plenty of time to 
collect all of the components I will need. I wish they would announce 
colors for the next shipment in advance!!!

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:37:08 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Oh My, I love the dog, the bike, and the story too.
> What a time you will have.  So happy for you.  It is a special 'pixie 
> dust' indeed!  
> Many happy miles of riding is my wish for you and your friend!
> Love, Kate[image: IMG_5700.JPG]
> I rode 25 miles along the New Jersey coast yesterday and had a smile the 
> entire time.
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Chris, 
>>
>> I love it so much. The dog, the bike, the story. 
>>
>> I agree that there is something special about a Platypus, and really, the 
>> Rivendell mixtes as a group. I so rarely see them re-sold; mostly people 
>> hang onto them; occasionally I will see one re-sold because it was 
>> purchased for a spouse and it isn’t being ridden. There is a certain pixie 
>> dust the elves at Rivendell infuse in the mixte frames, and they are rarely 
>> parted with! You are so fortunate to have found one for sale. 
>>
>> I took my Platypus out exploring the new neighborhood (we just moved 
>> across the country a few days ago) and it was such a comfort to have this 
>> familiar, gorgeous creature accompany me on my new adventure.
>>
>> Laura, I wish you an orange Platypus!
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>> I'm going to echo Kate's experience: Just bought a Platy, and it's 
>> amazing. 
>>
>> I had the privilege of visiting RBW in November when we took a trip up 
>> the coast, after owning a half dozen of their bikes, and got to ride a 
>> couple of Grant's bikes. I loved the MIT Atlantis, but was thinking the 
>> Clem was the better bike for me. It rode great. I did not ride, but I did 
>> look closely at Will's Gus (or Susie). I used to race mountain bikes, but 
>> pretty much limit my off-roading to hikes in the Los Padres hills near to 
>> our home. The Gus/Susie looked like more bike than I would need. Having 
>> said that, I love the design of the Susie, at least as much as the 
>> Platypus, and my first MTB was a filleted-by-Tom Ritchey. I love that bike, 
>> but know I don't need the tire clearance it offers. 
>>
>> I'd read somewhere on this group that someone preferred a front load on 
>> their Platypus over their Susie, and that's a big selling point to me. I 
>> have a hitchhiker who tags along when I ride alone, as you can see in the 
>> photos. 
>>
>> I was going to give the thumbs up on a Clem with Will, and then thought 
>> what the heck, I'll check Craigslist as long as we're in Sonoma - and there 
>> was a Platypus for sale. I got there as quick as I could, rode it, and 
>> bought it right away. It has the most wonderful and lively and predictable 
>> ride. Gobsmacked. 
>>
>> The roads I ride on can be a little rough (only on the Santa Barbara side 
>> of the city - they are of course pristine over in Montecito), and the 48mm 
>> tires are more than enough to accommodate the chipseal (again, see the 
>> photos). I love the low bottom bracket, the chainstay length, and it is the 
>> most beautiful bike I've ever seen. 
>>
>> So that's why *I* selected the Platypus, and it's a marvel of design. I'm 
>> sure the Susie is the same for its intended purpose, and if I lived where 
>> the trails were a little wider, and a little less rocky and steep, I'd be 
>> in your dilemma. 
>>
>> You're going to love whichever one you get, and we all look forward to 
>> the photos. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Chris 
>> SB, CA
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[RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Eric Marth]

Do you have any of those files, Johnny? 

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 8:58:11 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> They released the working files I believe but an official brochure was 
> never finalized.
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:05:36 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I know there have been several times it was mentioned but I don’t recall 
>> seeing a catalog devoted to the Hillibikes. 
>> I’m sure if it exists, it would contain some worthwhile information. 
>>
>> Can anyone confirm whether or not it was produced?
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
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[RBW] WTB: Huret dérailleurs

[Igor]

Low-key looking for a Huret Jubilee 
( 
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=43d5fe85-6792-4e42-96b9-1243feb84291 
) or a Duper, and matching (not certain what model that would be) front 
derailleur

I have 2x NOS Shimano RD-M760 SGS derailleurs if there's a trade to work 
out.

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[RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Johnny Alien]

They released the working files I believe but an official brochure was 
never finalized.

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 10:05:36 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> I know there have been several times it was mentioned but I don’t recall 
> seeing a catalog devoted to the Hillibikes. 
> I’m sure if it exists, it would contain some worthwhile information. 
>
> Can anyone confirm whether or not it was produced?
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> Thank you 
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Re: [RBW] Bar tape and shellac combination to match cream details

[deepak atreya]

Thanks Eric for your inputs . I might just go with white bar tape and amber 
shellac ( classic French constructeurs style ) to add little warmth to homer 
blue. If anyone else any other ideas or combination that works well with Homer 
let me know . 

Cheers ,
Deepak

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> Has anyone tried cloth bar tape and shellac combination to get close to the 
> cream details on Rivendell. I am thinking of these two options
> 
> 1. White + Clear shellac : I am assuming that clear shellac will slightly 
> tint the white 
> 2. Viva toshi off-white tape + clear shellac.
> 
> Has anyone tried any of these combinations? What was the result ? If you have 
> pics would be great  !
> 
> Thanks,
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