Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[John Rinker]

Leah,

Though this doesn't help with finding a group, as to your quandary 
regarding our place in the velotaxonomy, I'm with rmrose in that we are 
perhaps a breed apart. In some way, that's part of the charm. 

Usually when people learn that I cycle (and rinse) they inquire, "What kind 
of bike do you ride (implying road or mountain)?", I usually say, 'I'm a 
Riv rider.' This often opens the door for interesting bike/cycling 
conversations.

I just love it when people tilt their head at my down tube and read 
'Hunqapillar' out loud.

Cheers, John 'We don't need no stinkin' labels' Rinker

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 11:36:39 AM UTC+9 JAS wrote:

> Joe, I love this "All-Rounder" idea because they're all such versatile 
> bikes.  Actually, most people don't seem to care what I'm riding and 
> frankly, I don't care what they think.  If I'm riding and having fun, 
> that's what counts.  My bikey friends are very good at "oohing and ahhing" 
> with me over the beautiful details when the bikes are new, then it's old 
> news and we just ride to get coffee, explore the rail-to-trail, zip around 
> the campground or cruise down the beach road.  My list includes Clem:  
> shopping and trail All Rounder, Platy:  go fast and rainy day All Rounder, 
> Bike Friday:  Touring  and paved trail All Rounder.  That's it!  Just ride!
>
> Cheers to all the RivSisters and RivBrothers!
> -Joyce
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:07:40 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "This is my go-fast All Rounder, and this is my shopping All Rounder. Oh 
>> this one? That's my weekend All Rounder!" 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:04:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We need several All Rounders for the All Arounding we’re always doing. 
>>> Duh. 
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I tend to refer to the type of bike my Rivendells are as an 
>>> "all-rounder" when asked. Of course that then begs the question why I need 
>>> several of them... 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:32 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
 It reminds me of shoes. What kind of shoes are you wearing? Walking, 
 running, tennis, track, etc. I'm just wearing shoes to go mobile. I'm just 
 riding my bicycle and it is a ride bike!
 Doug

 On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 5:32:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> After all this time watching (and contributing silliness to) this 
> thread, I still don't know what we are. Shortly after I picked up my 
> custom 
> someone asked me what kind of bike I got and I said road bike. Because I 
> had it designed to be lightish and zippy on the road; no hardcore trail 
> riding, no touring loads. But when you look at it there's high Billie 
> Bars 
> and a droptube Platypus-style and does not say "road bike" to anyone 
> asking 
> that question! 
>
> So I ride my Rivendell in town and when people ask me what kind of 
> riding I do they get a whole paragraph 😬🤷
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:31:09 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved 
>> to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The 
>> Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. 
>> This 
>> List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I 
>> want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop 
>> that 
>> hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, 
>> and I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would 
>> tick off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 
>> sons 
>> on the way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works 
>> for 
>> your group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us 
>> all 
>> nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag 
>> for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. 
>> I 
>> suppose I will just have to risk it.
>>
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of 
>> their friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. 
>> Now, I 
>> doubt I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. 
>> When 
>> I say I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to 
>> mountain bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I 
>> ride, I 
>> don’t have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike 
>> people assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I 
>> don’

[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto wire guard

[JohnS]

Hello Jamin,

You may want to do a search on this guard. As I recall at least one group 
member wasn't very happy with it.

Regards,
JohnS


On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:42:56 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:

> Looking for a Nitto wire guard, I have attached a photo.  They seem to be 
> out of stock except for international dealers.  Would rather a tiny piece 
> of wire not have to travel so far.  Anyone have one in the US? I'm in Los 
> Angeles.
>
> Thanks
> Jamin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Lyman Labry]

Seems like a good enough bike for the job to me for most bike-packing
touring. Front rack braze ons would be a plus for me.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:04 PM Mike Packard  wrote:

> Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :)
>
> mike
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for
>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no
>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar
>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as
>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others
>> might be doing?
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[RBW] NYC Area Help: TA crank puller needed

[Patch T]

Hi NYC Folks -

TL;DR: Is there anyone in the boroughs that can lend me their TA crank 
puller?

I installed a TA crank on a frame to measure the Q factor. My Q-riosity 
sated, I then went to pull the crank and reinstall the arms the correct 
way. But I can't for the life of me find my 23mm crank puller (haven't used 
it in years). I've ordered a new one, but would love to remove it soon, 
like before or over this weekend. I'm not having much luck finding a shop 
with one. Anyone here have one I can briefly  borrow?

Thanks!
Patch
BK/NYC

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto wire guard

[Patrick Moore]

I have one that I use very occasionally with a lightly loaded Carradice
Junior and a sometimes heavily loaded Sackville Medium. It was with the
Junior that it fell off under way, fortunately while I was walking the bike
-- or else riding very slowly -- across a busy road. It got tangled in the
rear spokes and twisted out of shape; fortunately it didn't damage the
spokes and I was able to twist it back into shape. It is not very stiff,
which a safety benefit. (It was indeed properly installed when it fell
off.) I think at least one other user had this happen to him. I've taken to
holding it in place with a velcro strap.

That said, I will keep mine -- for occasional use.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 9:36 AM JohnS  wrote:

> Hello Jamin,
>
> You may want to do a search on this guard. As I recall at least one group
> member wasn't very happy with it.
>
> Regards,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:42:56 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Looking for a Nitto wire guard, I have attached a photo.  They seem to be
>> out of stock except for international dealers.  Would rather a tiny piece
>> of wire not have to travel so far.  Anyone have one in the US? I'm in Los
>> Angeles.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Miles]

Leah! Others have expressed good suggestions to your question but I wanted 
to add my two cents, and mainly some encouragement!
First, I have no doubt you will eventually find some people you like riding 
with. Might be a little tougher out there in Michigan (former Michigander 
here) than it is on the California coast, but as others have stated, you’re 
in a prime position to be an ambassador for the type of riding you’re 
trying to do. I’m fortunate that many of my riding friends here are open to 
all sorts of excursions: road, fixed gear, mountain bike, you name it. Yet 
with the exception of Jared and Ariel, (hi guys) I’m the only one riding a 
Riv in some of these situations. Fun people will love your bikes and be 
impressed that they’re your tool of choice. People who scoff aren’t really 
people I want to befriend anyway. 
My initial concern was that you’d accidentally join a group that doesn’t 
match your level of fitness. As others have observed, you’ll easily be able 
to keep up with any casual/spirited ride. Knowing your average mph from 
your rides is a helpful way to narrow down what existing group ride could 
work for you.
But! My experience has shown me that if you plan a ride that has some kind 
of peripheral non-riding activity involved (riding to food/beer is always 
easy) you’ll draw some of the ‘quirky’ cyclists out of the woodwork. 
Getting creative is the key: riding to an estuary for bird watching, riding 
to a park with snacks for a picnic, planning a full moon ride to check out 
an interesting old structure, who knows? When I make my riding fun-centric, 
people seem to appreciate that. The focus becomes the people you’re with 
and the experiences you share. When I ride in groups that’s my priority; 
that everyone is having a good time. To that end, I usually outline terrain 
and general pace when announcing the ride, so people know what to expect 
and feel comfortable. 

Reading your posts and seeing your bikes, I have no doubt the people who 
will have the privilege of riding with your will want to continue to do so. 
I’m looking forward to seeing how it goes!

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 1:31:47 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Leah,
>
> Though this doesn't help with finding a group, as to your quandary 
> regarding our place in the velotaxonomy, I'm with rmrose in that we are 
> perhaps a breed apart. In some way, that's part of the charm. 
>
> Usually when people learn that I cycle (and rinse) they inquire, "What 
> kind of bike do you ride (implying road or mountain)?", I usually say, 'I'm 
> a Riv rider.' This often opens the door for interesting bike/cycling 
> conversations.
>
> I just love it when people tilt their head at my down tube and read 
> 'Hunqapillar' out loud.
>
> Cheers, John 'We don't need no stinkin' labels' Rinker
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 11:36:39 AM UTC+9 JAS wrote:
>
>> Joe, I love this "All-Rounder" idea because they're all such versatile 
>> bikes.  Actually, most people don't seem to care what I'm riding and 
>> frankly, I don't care what they think.  If I'm riding and having fun, 
>> that's what counts.  My bikey friends are very good at "oohing and ahhing" 
>> with me over the beautiful details when the bikes are new, then it's old 
>> news and we just ride to get coffee, explore the rail-to-trail, zip around 
>> the campground or cruise down the beach road.  My list includes Clem:  
>> shopping and trail All Rounder, Platy:  go fast and rainy day All Rounder, 
>> Bike Friday:  Touring  and paved trail All Rounder.  That's it!  Just ride!
>>
>> Cheers to all the RivSisters and RivBrothers!
>> -Joyce
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:07:40 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "This is my go-fast All Rounder, and this is my shopping All Rounder. Oh 
>>> this one? That's my weekend All Rounder!" 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:04:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 We need several All Rounders for the All Arounding we’re always doing. 
 Duh. 

 On Jan 18, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 

 I tend to refer to the type of bike my Rivendells are as an 
 "all-rounder" when asked. Of course that then begs the question why I need 
 several of them... 


 On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:32 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> It reminds me of shoes. What kind of shoes are you wearing? Walking, 
> running, tennis, track, etc. I'm just wearing shoes to go mobile. I'm 
> just 
> riding my bicycle and it is a ride bike!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 5:32:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> After all this time watching (and contributing silliness to) this 
>> thread, I still don't know what we are. Shortly after I picked up my 
>> custom 
>> someone asked me what kind of bike I got and I said road bike. Because I 
>> had it designed to be lightish and zippy on the road; no hardcore trail 
>> riding

Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Miles]

Replying on iOS/iPhone feels near impossible. On an iPad it’s tolerable. 
I’d like to think the bad UX throttles the amount of time I spend browsing 
on here, that’s my bad attempt at tricking myself. 

-Miles

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 5:54:17 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> For various reasons, Facebook is not an option for some of us!
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-6 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I don’t know why I didn’t think of FB! Thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>>
>> There is a FB group here - 
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch
>>
>> No buy/sell/trade. Emphasis on photos. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am able to understand and use the group as designed, thanks all.
>>> My gripe is with the sheer awkwardness and HORRIBLE interface of google 
>>> groups. If you’ve ever used Discord or Facebook groups you’ll know what I’m 
>>> talking about. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:24:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 On Android: I look at the mobile website, then when I want to post I 
 click the 3 dots top right and go to Desktop Site. This brings up the 
 reply 
 function. Not awesome but workable. 

 Joe Bernard

 On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:57:42 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I love my Rivendell, and I love Rivendell owners! 
> But, I despise this Google group format! 
> I wish there was another way. I'm sure there is, I just don't know 
> what it is
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: crust bj stem (26.0)

[Mackenzy Albright]

I had a builder from montreal make me a similar stem. It was a touch 
cheaper and faster than trying to track down a crust stem (i live in canada 
and brokage and DHL shipping from crust is maximum and stock is terrible). 
It has way more of a "handmade" aesthetic to it - but i enjoy that about 
it. I don't have any pics since my bike is ripped apart in storage for the 
winter. Here's a link to his instagram though. 

https://www.instagram.com/le_cacti/?hl=en



On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:00:05 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> good to know, thank you
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:32:33 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I called Garrett about these a few weeks ago and he said they were 
>> expecting a container from Nitto sometime in the next few months. I realize 
>> given how freight is going worldwide this doesn't mean much. But reason to 
>> hope!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:51:47 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings, looking for a crust/nitto BJ stem in 26.0 clamp size.  Silver 
>>> preferred, but black OK too.
>>> plan to use this with albastaches on my S.H.
>>> Stem looks like this:
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-16 at 7.50.07 PM.png]
>>> Crust is out ...not sure where to find anything else like it.
>>> If anyone has one they aren't using, please let me know
>>> thanks
>>> JS
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Large MUSA Knickers (recent model)

[Paul Clifton]

If anyone bought the large MUSA knickers from the last release and doesn't 
want to keep them, I'd like to buy them. Please send me a PM.

I'm 5'9", 220lb and the XL is, to my surprise, too big. Vanity waist is 
right! Anyway, they're loose but I love 'em, and I'm not ready to make a 
1-to-1 trade, but I'd really like to try a large. FWIW - The XL MUSA pants 
are a hair too small on me.

I'll definitely be buying at least another pair when the next shipment 
comes in. These are probably going to be my favorite pants of my adult life 
so far (up there with my green levi's corduroys I wore from when i was 12 
to 22).

I'd consider an XL in the older model knicker too, but I think I like the 
new ones more.

Paul in AR

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto wire guard

[Bill Lindsay]

Sure, I can part with mine.  $35 shipped.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 8:42:56 PM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:

> Looking for a Nitto wire guard, I have attached a photo.  They seem to be 
> out of stock except for international dealers.  Would rather a tiny piece 
> of wire not have to travel so far.  Anyone have one in the US? I'm in Los 
> Angeles.
>
> Thanks
> Jamin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: XL Susie Handlebar dilemma

[Grady Wright]

I built my Appaloosa with JJJ bars. I like them a lot; however, I agree 
with Larson.photo33 slightly wider would be desirable to me. My handlebar 
wishes are very similar to yours and the JJJ is the closest I have found 
that fit the bill, and I will be happy using them until something same but 
wider comes along.  

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:45:29 p.m. UTC-7 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I put Sycip JJJ bars on my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross bike last 
> year to convert the bike from drop bars, and have liked them very much. The 
> sweep is right for me and I am able to get a second hand position on the 
> curves, which I use often. They are close, but not quite perfect. I think 
> if I was getting a custom Doom bar I would base it on the JJJ bar, but 
> wider (about 710mm) with just a little more rise. I am building up a Joe 
> Appaloosa as my first Rivendell and am going to give Billie bars a try. If 
> this doesn’t work I will probably get the custom Doom bars based on the JJJ.
> Randy
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 4:55:24 AM UTC-6 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Dave, It is really going to be a case of getting our hands on the bikes 
>> and trying stuff out! Im pretty keen to try this Wright stem/Jones bar 
>> combo but if it doesn't work I'll happily use a Billie or maybe even score 
>> a Rons Back Bar in the next batch (in 18 months, lol).
>>
>> Eric, That JB bar has also been on my radar, it has a unique aesthetic. 
>> Unfortunately it is cromo and I'm not sure I'd enjoy the very short main 
>> grip area in actual use. It would fun to try nonetheless.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.

A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
2. Flap with single buckle.
3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
5. Comes in red;
6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' keys.

Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.

B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
might be. So:

What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Sean B.]

Suggestion for A: 

https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers/products/gladstone-grocery-pannier?variant=39679194562716

I've been very happy with all of their bag. 

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.
>
> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
> 2. Flap with single buckle.
> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
> 5. Comes in red;
> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' keys.
>
> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.
>
> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
> might be. So:
>
> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
> gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels.
>
> Thanks.
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Sean; those are more than very nice, they would be perfect, except
that I would worry that the hook + bungee attachment system wouldn't allow
me to offset the bag sufficiently on the (much modified) Tubus Fly rack. I
actually like this simple, old-fashioned system, but but I wonder if it
would let me offset the bags sufficiently to clear the heels of my size 10
American Freedom Units shoes. (Note! I do not sneer at American Freedom
Units of any sort, just the kneejerk nomenclature. I am conservative, but I
believe I'm not stupid. I am also flippant and like to quote BSNYC.)

The bike to carry these does have chainstays at least 45 cm from center of
bb to mid-dropout; still, I had to offset the Backrollers pretty severely
to avoid heel-clip.

Can anyone comment on the matter above?

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 4:21 PM Sean B.  wrote:

> Suggestion for A:
>
>
> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers/products/gladstone-grocery-pannier?variant=39679194562716
>
> I've been very happy with all of their bag.
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
>> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.
>>
>> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
>> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
>> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
>> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
>> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
>> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
>> 2. Flap with single buckle.
>> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
>> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
>> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
>> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
>> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
>> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
>> 5. Comes in red;
>> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o'
>> keys.
>>
>> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.
>>
>> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
>> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
>> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
>> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
>> might be. So:
>>
>> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
>> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
>> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
>> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
>> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
>> gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: XL Susie Handlebar dilemma

[Jared Wilson]

The width was my largest reservation, but I rolled the dice and we'll see 
how it goes.

Glad to hear they're well received otherwise, looking forward to getting 
them on the new XL, been missing a Susie in my life for too long now.


On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 2:42:19 PM UTC-8 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> I built my Appaloosa with JJJ bars. I like them a lot; however, I agree 
> with Larson.photo33 slightly wider would be desirable to me. My handlebar 
> wishes are very similar to yours and the JJJ is the closest I have found 
> that fit the bill, and I will be happy using them until something same but 
> wider comes along.  
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:45:29 p.m. UTC-7 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I put Sycip JJJ bars on my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross bike last 
>> year to convert the bike from drop bars, and have liked them very much. The 
>> sweep is right for me and I am able to get a second hand position on the 
>> curves, which I use often. They are close, but not quite perfect. I think 
>> if I was getting a custom Doom bar I would base it on the JJJ bar, but 
>> wider (about 710mm) with just a little more rise. I am building up a Joe 
>> Appaloosa as my first Rivendell and am going to give Billie bars a try. If 
>> this doesn’t work I will probably get the custom Doom bars based on the JJJ.
>> Randy
>>
>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 4:55:24 AM UTC-6 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, It is really going to be a case of getting our hands on the bikes 
>>> and trying stuff out! Im pretty keen to try this Wright stem/Jones bar 
>>> combo but if it doesn't work I'll happily use a Billie or maybe even score 
>>> a Rons Back Bar in the next batch (in 18 months, lol).
>>>
>>> Eric, That JB bar has also been on my radar, it has a unique aesthetic. 
>>> Unfortunately it is cromo and I'm not sure I'd enjoy the very short main 
>>> grip area in actual use. It would fun to try nonetheless.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Patrick Moore]

Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, hate
using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, and I
tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) default
communication system.

I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I
can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally
improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.

Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we
oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected
away from our desks.

I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, but
I hate it too.

Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so
don't give me any guff.

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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Joe Bernard]

I'm 59 and love that I can do all my computery stuff from my phone, my PC 
and laptop are stashed away and I probably wouldn't remember how to operate 
them now. I can print from my phone to a wireless printer, that's crazy! 

Still don't get Zoom, though. I've always had a bit of photo/video phobia 
and this new world of video calling, not my gig. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:22:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, hate 
> using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, and I 
> tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) default 
> communication system. 
>
> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I 
> can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally 
> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>
> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we 
> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected 
> away from our desks.
>
> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, 
> but I hate it too. 
>
> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so 
> don't give me any guff.
>

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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Patrick Moore]

You're a youngster. Don't bother use old ones.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'm 59 and love that I can do all my computery stuff from my phone, my PC
> and laptop are stashed away and I probably wouldn't remember how to operate
> them now. I can print from my phone to a wireless printer, that's crazy!
>
> Still don't get Zoom, though. I've always had a bit of photo/video phobia
> and this new world of video calling, not my gig.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:22:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate,
>> hate using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting,
>> and I tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2)
>> default communication system.
>>
>> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I
>> can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally
>> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>>
>> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we
>> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected
>> away from our desks.
>>
>> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work,
>> but I hate it too.
>>
>> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so
>> don't give me any guff.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Mr. Ray]

Instead of the Tubus Fly rack, you can use a Tubus Logo rack which have 
rails offset and lower which will clear your size 10.  For the bag 
suggestion above, you can replace the hook and bungee system with the 
Ortlieb system you are familiar with.  Ortlieb sells their attachment 
system under "spare parts".
On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 6:40:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Sean; those are more than very nice, they would be perfect, except 
> that I would worry that the hook + bungee attachment system wouldn't allow 
> me to offset the bag sufficiently on the (much modified) Tubus Fly rack. I 
> actually like this simple, old-fashioned system, but but I wonder if it 
> would let me offset the bags sufficiently to clear the heels of my size 10 
> American Freedom Units shoes. (Note! I do not sneer at American Freedom 
> Units of any sort, just the kneejerk nomenclature. I am conservative, but I 
> believe I'm not stupid. I am also flippant and like to quote BSNYC.)
>
> The bike to carry these does have chainstays at least 45 cm from center of 
> bb to mid-dropout; still, I had to offset the Backrollers pretty severely 
> to avoid heel-clip.
>
> Can anyone comment on the matter above?
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 4:21 PM Sean B.  wrote:
>
>> Suggestion for A: 
>>
>>
>> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers/products/gladstone-grocery-pannier?variant=39679194562716
>>
>> I've been very happy with all of their bag. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet 
>>> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria. 
>>>
>>> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve 
>>> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the 
>>> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier, 
>>> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance: 
>>> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery 
>>> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort; 
>>> 2. Flap with single buckle. 
>>> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's 
>>> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be 
>>> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge). 
>>> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must 
>>> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer 
>>> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems; 
>>> 5. Comes in red; 
>>> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' 
>>> keys. 
>>>
>>> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice. 
>>>
>>> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+ 
>>> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med 
>>> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip 
>>> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it 
>>> might be. So: 
>>>
>>> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium 
>>> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at 
>>> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey), 
>>> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must 
>>> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue, 
>>> gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels. 
>>>
>>> Thanks. 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> --- 
>>> Patrick Moore 
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Patrick Moore]

Ray: 1 out of 2. The Fly (stainless steel model heavily and very
expensively modified for this frame by a high-end frame builder) is not a
variable, but yes, of course, I can install Ortlieb hardware; in fact, I
have a package of Ortlieb mounting kit in one of my bins. Thanks!

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:48 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:

> Instead of the Tubus Fly rack, you can use a Tubus Logo rack which have
> rails offset and lower which will clear your size 10.  For the bag
> suggestion above, you can replace the hook and bungee system with the
> Ortlieb system you are familiar with.  Ortlieb sells their attachment
> system under "spare parts".
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 6:40:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Sean; those are more than very nice, they would be perfect,
>> except that I would worry that the hook + bungee attachment system wouldn't
>> allow me to offset the bag sufficiently on the (much modified) Tubus Fly
>> rack. I actually like this simple, old-fashioned system, but but I wonder
>> if it would let me offset the bags sufficiently to clear the heels of my
>> size 10 American Freedom Units shoes. (Note! I do not sneer at American
>> Freedom Units of any sort, just the kneejerk nomenclature. I am
>> conservative, but I believe I'm not stupid. I am also flippant and like to
>> quote BSNYC.)
>>
>> The bike to carry these does have chainstays at least 45 cm from center
>> of bb to mid-dropout; still, I had to offset the Backrollers pretty
>> severely to avoid heel-clip.
>>
>> Can anyone comment on the matter above?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 4:21 PM Sean B.  wrote:
>>
>>> Suggestion for A:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers/products/gladstone-grocery-pannier?variant=39679194562716
>>>
>>> I've been very happy with all of their bag.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:57:48 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
 possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.

 A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
 well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
 rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
 defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
 sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
 2. Flap with single buckle.
 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
 cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
 waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
 offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
 the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
 5. Comes in red;
 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o'
 keys.

 Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.

 B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
 feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
 weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
 wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
 might be. So:

 What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
 weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
 least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
 rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
 have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
 gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels.

 Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Clem L For Sale

[Doug H.]

This is a bump and an update. I installed a Microshift thumb shifter today, 
indexed, and I think it looks better than the bar end and works just as 
well. I rode to adjust the shifting and the Clem rides so well! I just want 
a more road-oriented bicycle. Still listed at $2,200 plus shipping. Mint 
with upgraded wheels and tires as compared to stock.
Doug

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Folks,
> I updated the linked album with better photos of the Clem L. It comes just 
> as shown as I removed the lights and bell that I want to keep. It is in 
> mint condition and shipping is available. Let's say $2,200 plus shipping 
> OBO. I paid $2,500 as it was a Rivendell build and not stock but it is a 
> "used" bicycle.
> Thanks,
> Doug
> Athens, GA
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 1:37:12 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Or best offer...
>>
>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:20:16 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> After a few months of riding and enjoying my Clem L I have decided to 
>>> sell it. I ride almost exclusively on the roads and lately in group rides. 
>>> I much prefer not to ship but know that is the likely scenario. I'm in 
>>> Athens, Ga so if you are within 100 miles or so I can meet you. Otherwise I 
>>> can get a shipping quote based on your location. Photos in the link:
>>>
>>> Clem L Photos 
>>>
>>> This is a like new Lime Olive Clem L size 52 with 650b wheels. 1x10 with 
>>> a Microshift bar end shifter. Tosco bars and Nitto stem. Black 172.5 mm 
>>> Clipper crank arms and 38 tooth chain ring with guard. Velocity Cliffhanger 
>>> wheels 32 spoke front, 36 rear. Deore hubs. Teravail Ehline black wall 
>>> tires. Shimano Deore v-brakes. MKS Grip Monarch pedals. Saddle will be a 
>>> like new black Giant saddle, not the Brooks shown in the photos. This frame 
>>> was built up by Rivendell, not a stock build. Asking $2,400 plus shipping.
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Richard Rose]

Ha! I too am racing toward 67. Just let me everything from my phone, please.

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> On Jan 19, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, hate 
> using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, and I 
> tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) default 
> communication system. 
> 
> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I can 
> reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally improve 
> my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
> 
> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we 
> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected 
> away from our desks.
> 
> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, but I 
> hate it too. 
> 
> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so 
> don't give me any guff.
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Patrick Moore]

Old people are so lame.

Patrick "no damned emoticons from me" Moore, who uses a fountain pen and
notebook to schedule work deadlines, in ABQ, NM.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 6:28 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Ha! I too am racing toward 67. Just let me everything from my phone,
> please.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 19, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, hate
> using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, and I
> tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) default
> communication system.
>
> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I
> can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally
> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>
> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we
> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected
> away from our desks.
>
> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work,
> but I hate it too.
>
> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so
> don't give me any guff.
>
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Joe Bernard]

I'll call you on the party line, MElrose 7-5833. 

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 6:11:37 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Old people are so lame.
>
> Patrick "no damned emoticons from me" Moore, who uses a fountain pen and 
> notebook to schedule work deadlines, in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 6:28 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Ha! I too am racing toward 67. Just let me everything from my phone, 
>> please.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, 
>> hate using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, 
>> and I tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) 
>> default communication system. 
>>
>> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I 
>> can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally 
>> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>>
>> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we 
>> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected 
>> away from our desks.
>>
>> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, 
>> but I hate it too. 
>>
>> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so 
>> don't give me any guff.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[rltilley]

I used the Arkel grocery pannier quite a bit and I really liked it. It meets 
most of your criteria but has a zip top and not a buckle top. The new version 
looks to have a draw cord top which would make sliding a paper bag full of 
groceries in more difficult maybe? Their hardware is adjustable so it would be 
simple to position it further back on a rack.

https://www.arkel-od.com/shopper-foldable/

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Jan 19, 2022, at 2:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.
> 
> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
> 2. Flap with single buckle.
> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
> 5. Comes in red;
> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' keys.
> 
> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.
> 
> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
> might be. So:
> 
> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
> gray, orange, even, even black, but no pastels.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Patrick Moore]

I still remember the family  # from 1960: CY ("Cypress") 7-9537. I think it
was a party line in 1960, but it was converted shortly thereafter.

Rosslyn 219, Northern outskirts of Nairobi when we moved there 1968 *was* a
party line, but there were so few subscribers that it didn't hurt much. I
recall that we kept getting calls to a butcher's shop, which doubtess
explains my enduring fascination with butchers' bikes.


Patrick "and what about those damned new-fangled zip codes" Moore

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 7:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'll call you on the party line, MElrose 7-5833.
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 6:11:37 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Old people are so lame.
>>
>> Patrick "no damned emoticons from me" Moore, who uses a fountain pen and
>> notebook to schedule work deadlines, in ABQ, NM.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html

On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 62cm Sam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html

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