[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork

[Philip Williamson]

Six years ago, I had a frame and fork powder coated for about $120. My son 
did the contrasting paint with spray.bike colors. They worked fine; you 
need to hold them a few inches from the surface, unlike a traditional spray 
paint.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:45:51 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks JohnS, that’s a promising number! I’d consider a nice powder coat 
> job for $200-250 a steal! Would probably be at least that for the fork is I 
> had to have the accent colors. But I have no idea these days. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:
>
>> About a year ago I had a frame and fork stripped and powder coated for 
>> just under $200, which I thought was a bargain. The powder coat paint 
>> options have come a long way since the last time I had a frame and fork 
>> coated about 12 years ago. This time I choose "intense orange" which looks 
>> like metal flake and looks great.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 12:36:21 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Rich, I bet it does! Nice and clean. 
>>>
>>> I sent a message to a local powder coating place to see if they do 
>>> bikes. There are a few options around at least. I don’t want to spend a ton 
>>> or I think Cerakote would be a great option as well. So thin that the lug 
>>> details would be even better than paint I bet!
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>>
 One of my bikes (single color) has two decals: headtube and a tiny "C" 
 on the seat tube. Otherwise clean as a whistle; looks great.

 Best
 Rich in ATL
 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you for the reply Garth! I live in Spokane Washington. It isn’t 
> like when I lived on the other side of the state and my bikes saw rain 
> riding for most months of the year, but there is plenty of weather in the 
> winter. 
>
> It seems like it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to find a painter but 
> price is a bit of a concern at the moment. I really don’t know what a 
> full 
> paint job would cost. I plan to get a quote (powder) for the fork and 
> possibly the frame as well when the fork gets here. Spraying it myself 
> would be an option for this winter and then have it fully done next year. 
> Has anyone tried spraybike.us paints?
>
> I also like the clean look on a bike. Pictures are always welcome 
> Garth!
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:43:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> I'd say it depends on where you live, does price matter, what 
>> painters are available, and as for doing it yourself, why not ? 
>>
>> I had my Bomba painted without any decals/logos mostly because I like 
>> unfettered clean paint. 
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:46:45 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Joe, that is what I was looking for. Also don’t want to 
>>> break any Rivendell rules to go for powder coating. It seems like the 
>>> way 
>>> to go since it sees year round use in place with wet and snowy winters. 
>>>
>>> The frame is reasonably scratched up as well though. Maybe I should 
>>> just have it all powder coated. Does a bike free from any logos seem 
>>> less 
>>> desirable to thieves? Ha! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I think you're looking for "if it were me" thoughts from us so 
 here's mine: 

 The first Clems didn't come with the fork accents and I think it 
 looks fine. I have a powder coater place in town so for a 
 commuter/shopper 
 lock-up bike - which is what Clems are for! - I would keep the price 
 low 
 and the fork-covering tough and powder coat it. I don't know if he 
 could do 
 the accents. 

 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> After talking with Will about my tweaked Clem fork, he thought it 
> would like a new fork would be better then trying to fix it. Easy to 
> talk 
> me into because mine has rust issues on top of being crooked (in two 
> directions). The cost wasn’t as bad as I thought either. It will 
> actually 
> be a Hunq fork because that’s what they had. Very slight rake 
> difference is 
> all I guess. 
>
> Anyway, it is a bare fork so now I get to decide how to paint it. 
> My Clem is Grilver and I love the color. I’m thinking of just having 
> it 
> powder coated for maximum durability since it is my daily commuter 
> and gets 
> locked up all over. I’m not sure the accent colors can be done with 
> that 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Jim M.]

Looks good. Easier to wheelie too. 

jim m
walnut creek

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 7:20:28 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> YY
>
> On Fri., Oct. 21, 2022, 7:16 p.m. Leah Peterson,  
> wrote:
>
>> Jason: like this? Y/N.
>> 🙃Leah
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>
>> I'll chime in here that in the past few months the front rack was 
>> removed from my Sam and front basket relocated to the rear rack. 
>>
>> The change in the handling of the bike with the 10+lb 'dynamic' load was 
>> welcome, while the passenger is willingly accepting the somewhat obstructed 
>> view. I keep telling her there's less chance of a bug zinging her in the 
>> face now! 
>>
>> [image: Sam_Front_Rack.jpeg]
>> [image: Sam_Rear_Rack.jpeg]
>> A Riv Shiny Rack is on its way to provide a little more margin to the 
>> load. Done with heavy front loads for now. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Chris 
>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 7:29:08 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> It looks GREAT. I’m not surprised that you’re going with the more is 
>>> more triangle idea—it will be fab!
>>>
>>> Similar to my commuter setup and I love it so I think you will too. It’s 
>>> freeing to get excess weight off the front.
>>>
>>>  How do you like it?
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:30:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I picked up my bike today. I had the work done yesterday but when I got 
 home I realized the rear dyno light wasn’t illuminating. Back I went, and 
 since the shop was working on the light, I begged them to fix the wiring 
 job they had done. The wires were bunched up and zip tied with black zip 
 ties right behind my head tube. Really unsightly. I brought my raspberry 
 Platypus along to illustrate a beautiful wiring job. I told them I’d pay 
 them all over again for labor (to their credit, they tried not to accept, 
 but I think it was fair to pay again because they were redoing the wiring 
 for cosmetic reasons) if we could just mirror the red bike’s wiring. They 
 studied the racing Platypus and snapped some photos. Then, they got to 
 work. 

 There was some problem with the connection for the rear light, so they 
 replaced it. And there was an extra connection behind the headlight, so 
 they eliminated it. They zip-tied the wires to the cables that run 
 alongside the down tube. They secured the extra wire near the kickstand 
 plate instead of by the pretty lugs at the head tube. Nice and hidden. 
 This 
 is not the bike I’m precious about, but I still like it to look pretty. 
 The 
 shop did a really nice job; I bet they will do their zip ties to the 
 cables 
 from now on. There really isn’t any drawback that I can see and it is so 
 aesthetically pleasing. If I ever get access to mint-colored zip ties I’ll 
 replace the black ones.

 [image: image0.jpeg]


 [image: image9.jpeg]


 [image: image1.jpeg]

 Here it is, bare naked:
 [image: image8.jpeg]

 I put the basket on the rack and hung the bags. It feels very different 
 without the weight on the front end, but I think I love it. I have had 
 zero 
 time to ride tonight, but should weather cooperate, I’ll test it out this 
 weekend. I really, REALLY love that I no longer deal with wheel flop. 

 [image: image4.jpeg]

 The reflector on the side of the Ron’s bag needs a new home. To be 
 determined.
 [image: image5.jpeg]

 [image: image6.jpeg]

 Thanks for all your help and posts on this thread! It is fun to 
 reconfigure a bike in ways that might better serve.
 Leah 

 On Oct 14, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 Joe, isn’t it the truth? I got it all put right now, I think! More on 
 that later. I’m headed out to dinner…



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 14, 2022, at 3:36 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Someday a bike shop is going to put one of your bikes back together 
 properly. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but that day will come.  

 On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 7:23:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I got my bike done today at the shop and it has made a huge difference 
> in ease of lifting it onto the rack. I didn’t get far with setting it up 
> again because when I got home I realized the rear dyno light isn’t 
> working 
> now. She shop had to mess with the dyno wiring and something is likely 
> off, 
> but I can’t see what. Also, they wadded up the wire and zip tied it to 
> the 
> top tube, near that pretty head tube lug and it’s hideous. I will beg 
> them 
> (and pay them again) to wire that bike more classily. My other bike is a 
> perfect example, so maybe I bring that in as a guide. 
>
> Bu

[RBW] Re: Rim selection for a Sam Hillborne

[J S]

I’m using Velocity Atlas rims on my 650b Hillborne.  It mounts 48mm tires 
with ease and rides great.  I use the older synergy’s on my Saluki with no 
issues with 42mm Baby Shoe Pass tires, but putting a 48mm tire on it would 
be a lot more work if even possible. I did try a Panaracer Gravel King and 
went to a 42 for my spare Synergy rim as I had problem mounting the 48 
(arthritis in both hands so maybe it was me).  

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:59:54 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Calvin! Unless you are looking to go tubeless, the Cliffhanger might 
> be a bit wide for the tire sizes you have listed. I’m running a 700x50 on 
> the Dyad and they work very well. Maybe look at the A23 if you want a more 
> road  rim that is tubeless capable. Non tubeless is the only downside to 
> the Dyad in my opinion. I think smaller than 48mm on the Cliffhanger would 
> just be too narrow of a tire for it. 
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 9:51:01 AM UTC-7 Cal Patterson wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am thinking of building a wheelset for my Sam, and am looking for 
>> opinions & experiences of those who have used the Velocity Quills and also 
>> the Cliffhangers.  I understand the former to be a fast and nimble road-ish 
>> rim, and the latter to be a more stout trail and touring type.  I feel that 
>> the Sam could be either of these things, and am trying to decide which way 
>> to go.  
>>
>> Currently, my Sam is borrowing a set of wheels, shutter precision front 
>> hub and ultegra 9-speed rear hub (re-spaced to 135) laced to Velocity Dyad 
>> rims.  These feel fine, despite a slight bearing knock in the front hub, 
>> though I like the idea of a rim somewhat wider than the Dyad.  For tires in 
>> non-fender mode I've got 700x48, and fendered it'll have 42-44 range.
>> My hub plan for the new wheelset is a xtr M900 that I've got for the 
>> rear, and looking to get a son 28 or delux for the front.
>>
>> I'm curious about the feel & behavior of those different rims, all else 
>> being equal.  I haven't ever/yet gotten to do much side-by-side comparison 
>> of different rim styles scientifically, with all other parts being the 
>> same.  Usually my experiences with wider, stout cliffhanger-type rims is on 
>> a mountainish bike or a way stiff and heavy loaded tourer, not a zippy town 
>> and trails cruiser.  I like the idea of touring on the Sam, but 
>> realistically that would be two weeks a year, while the other 50 are town 
>> trails and country cruising.  I don't really fear the weight of the 
>> Cliffhangers, though I do appreciate the zip of a nice light rim & tire 
>> combo.  Probably can't go wrong either way, but interested in others' 
>> experiences.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Calvin
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS Gray Wooly Warm (L) $115 Shipped

[Christian B-H]

I bought one thinking it would be awesome for October - April riding here 
in Boulder, CO, and look good too. My wife doesn't like the fit on me, so 
it's either going back to Riv where they'll subtract $12 for the return 
since I didn't pay shipping, or it's off to someone here who wants it! This 
way, Riv doesn't have to restock it, and I don't have to ship it *and *pay 
the $12. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Richard Rose]

Paul, just re-reading your post & looking at the pics. The G-Ones? Is that your 
tire of choice for the trails you ride? I expected something more aggressive 
but I bet they roll fast?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
> 
> 
> I ride my Gus as my primary mountain bike. I have ridden a Rosco Bebe, and 
> MTBubbe, a Jones and a full suspension Knolly Warden on the same trails for 
> several years. All of then except for the Jones use 27.5 wheels: max tire 
> sizes = MTBubbe and Rosco Bebe 2.35", Jones 29x3", Knolly 2.5", Gus 2.8". I 
> didn't measure those, that's the nominal size of tire I run on them.
> 
> Of them all, the Gus is my favorite for everything short of black diamond 
> downhill. I also don't jump or drop anymore (or for the time being) so on 
> blue/black flow trails, I brake over the table tops and roll around the gaps.
> 
> The Rosco Bebe and MTBubbe are similar to a Clem L in a lot of ways. The Bebe 
> has shorter chainstays, a 68 degree seat tube, and a longer effective top 
> tube, so it requires Bosco bars. The MTBubbe is a relatively short bike in 
> terms of modern Rivs, and it's extremely agile, yet stable. Like an old 
> school MTB but without the endo potential and twitchy handling. They are both 
> totally capable of handling all trails, and I've even ridden plenty of black 
> downhill trails on the MTBubbe with the seat lowered a bit, and I've take a 
> few good sized drops on it. It's all around just a really good mountain bike. 
> It's super agile and feels like riding a skateboard sometimes, because it's 
> so small. It fits me; it's just a little bike and I love it.
> 
> The Jones basically just rolls over anything without question. The huge 
> wheels really change the way I approach the trails. Which leads me to my 
> first big point
> What size Gus/Susie would you get? wheel size
> 29er wheels vs 27.5 is a legitimate concern when thinking about a mountain 
> bike. I know I like 27.5 wheels better, but a lot of modern trails assume 
> you're riding a 29x2.5 to 29x2.8 tire and the size of the rocks and rollers 
> is engineered with that in mind. And bigger wheels just roll over more stuff 
> easier. For me, it's easy to let the Jones (and Knolly) get out of control on 
> descents, and on the Jones, it's harder to reign it in, because the wheels 
> just keep going. That's a rider thing, but my fat 27.5 Gus rolls over 
> everything, just without being completely unphased. It experiences the bumps 
> more, and therefore, so do it.
> 
> My second big comment is about dropper posts - I would also like to have a 
> dropper post on my Gus, but I don't actually think it matters much. I still 
> like the Gus more than my Jones or Knolly that both have them. When I get to 
> the trail, I lower my seat about 2 cm and usually just leave it that way. 
> Short of really gnarly downhill stuff (and I do mean really gnarly), I'm able 
> to get my butt back far enough to handle it. I just bought a QR seat post 
> bolt, so that should make my life even easier.
> 
> Which brings me to my third point: handlebars
> Riv put Boscos on the Gus and Susy. That makes for a great upright riding 
> position, but IME, they are bad for mountain biking. They hit my legs when I 
> go around switch backs and the wrist angle makes it hard to hang on properly 
> when I'm getting my butt back to go down steep stuff. I put a 35mm stem and 
> Tumbleweed Pursuader bars on mine and it changed the ride for the better in 
> nearly every possible way. The mostly straight bars still sometimes hit my 
> legs on the sharpest downhill switch backs, but I think that's a me problem 
> and not a bike problem (a dropper would prob help that though).
> 
> Handling - The Gus handling is very responsive - like the best modern MTBs, 
> it's really easy to change the direction of the front wheel, to quickly 
> correct a line or keep it from flopping over when you hit a rock the wrong 
> way. Unlike modern MTBs, it holds its line extremely well, on rough stuff AND 
> when cruising. The length of the bike keeps it rolling smoothly, even when 
> the chunk tries to throw it around, so, unlike a full suspension modern MTB 
> with short chainstay and a steep seat tube, it's stable on more than just the 
> fast descents, ...
> 
> so there's Climbing - The Gus is the most fun I've had climbing on an MTB 
> ever. It is hard to get the front wheel up over ledges, but the back wheel is 
> always completely planted and when it grabs a rock, the pedals just keep it 
> rolling. Tubeless 27.5x2.8 tires just kind of squish into any surface and 
> push the bike on up. It's hard to describe, but it's really wonderful. As has 
> been mentioned, I also climb easier and faster on it than a lot of people on 
> modern MTBs around here, especially full squish, which I'm more and more 
> convinced gives up a lot in the climbing department.
> 
> I would absolutely choose my Gus for my single bike. The only reason I 
>

[RBW] ISO WTB 54cm Losco Bar

[Chris Halasz]

To the best I can figure, the Losco bar is a good inch or so shorter in 
sweep than the Tosco, with the latter maybe a bit too long for my Sam. 

Curious if anyone's got a Losco to sell before I place an order for a new 
bar. 

I've got a couple of Nitto Riv bars I'd be willing to trade as well! 

Thanks all, 

Chris 
SB, CA

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[RBW] Re: 1400 front derailers

[Collin A]

I like it Bill! When I worked in a machine shop I always found working with 
acrylic more frustrating than working with metal, but it was great for 
prototyping stuff (less $$$) if it didn't crack and shatter!

Cheers,
Collin, surrounded by IronMen Racers this weekend, in Sacramento

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:05:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Back in May I indicated that I may decide to turn an eccentric spacer for 
> the Skeleton Key front derailer.  I finally went ahead and did that today.  
>
> For a little background here, most Rivendells have a 28.6mm seat tube, and 
> most Rivendells take a clamp on front derailer.  Very few front derailers 
> today are made with a 28.6mm clamp.  Almost all clamp on front derailers 
> are made with a larger clamp diameter and they come with a plastic spacer 
> to fit smaller diameter seat tubes.  The increments of seat tube diameter 
> are 1/8", so 28.6mm = 1-1/8" , 31.8mm = 1-1/4", 34.9mm = 1-3/8".  The 
> Skeleton Key front derailer is a 34.9mm model, and it comes with two 
> different plastic spacers to fit the next two sizes down.  The Skeleton Key 
> front derailer was made for a chain line that is "pretty wide" which would 
> be great for a Gus/Susie but maybe not so great for a roadish bike.  
>
> I have been preparing to set up an ultra compact, low-Q-factor drivetrain 
> on my Black Mountain Monster Cross, and the key missing bit is the perfect 
> front derailer.  I like the cage shape of the Skeleton Key, but not the 
> wide chainline.  Since I need to run a plastic spacer anyway to make that 
> 34.9mm clamp fit my 28.6mm seat tube, I decided to make my own eccentric 
> spacer on my small lathe.  As a first shot I only did about 2.5mm of 
> eccentricity.  Depending on how I position my spacer, I can bring my 
> Skeleton Key 2.5mm further in or 2.5mm further out.  
>
> Pictures prove I was machining plastic today:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720303067081
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 9:34:45 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I will go out on a limb here and predict that Rivendell went ahead and 
>> checked whether it would work before buying one thousand four hundred of 
>> them.  They are the ones who have to set up their own bikes.  
>>
>> The chainline on the Black Mountain Monster Cross is standard Shimano 
>> Road Chainline.  43.5mm by the book, or 42mm by my measurement.  The 
>> Skeleton key will either work or I'll be modifying a derailleur.  Besides 
>> the awesome cage shape, I like the 34.9mm clamp.  I may decide to turn an 
>> eccentric spacer set to pull it inboard a few mm.  We'll see.  Summer 
>> projects.  I'm in the thick of making my own front derailleur as well.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 6:56:40 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> My comment on the Skeleton Key FD chain line was meant for a full 
>>> triple, not a XD-2 with a guard for the outer ring.  For a triple set up as 
>>> a double, the chainline should not be problem for Skeleton Key FD, since it 
>>> only needs to move 8 to 10mm to shift the Middle/Inner rings.
>>>
>>> On the Skeleton Key FD webite, RBW states:  "This will work with all 
>>> Silver cranks"  RBW sells a Silver triple with 3 chainrings.   The 
>>> Skeleton Key may have problem with shifting to the Inner ring.
>>>
>>> What is your Rear chain line on your Monster Cross??
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 9:25:27 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Also note that this front derailer is intended for a large chainring of 
 42 teeth or smaller and 14T of total difference.  I doubt there are a lot 
 of people running an XD2 road triple with a 42 tooth big ring and only 14T 
 of difference.  What would that be: 28/34/42?  I doubt there are many 
 people with that setup.  It'll be the perfect FD for a Gus/Susie with a 
 34/24 double wrapped around huge tires.  

 If there's somebody out there running an XD2 triple with two rings and 
 a guard, then that person maybe has a 40/26 or something on their Roadini. 
  
 If that person has no front derailer, then they might indeed have a hard 
 time getting this one to pull the chain to the small ring.  

 Anyway, I will give it a look on my Black Mountain Monster Cross, which 
 will have a 38/24 double on it soon.  I've got a few different FD options 
 for that setup, and I'll give the skeleton key FD a look as I dial it in.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:24:50 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Bill
>
> Great report.RBW had these FD's on the website on Fri, 5/20/22, 
> and they looked ok to me.
>   
> They state a 48.8mm chainline.  This seems excessive if you are 
> using a 45mmm chainline road triple, like an XD-2.  The FD *may not* 
> hav

[RBW] Re: Who is getting a Platypus?

[Bill Lindsay]

I just bought a 50cm for my wife.  She had a 52cm Yves Gomez which was a 
hair big for her, and we wanted fatter tires.  I set up a Black Mountain La 
Cabra for her and she likes it OK, but really prefers a step through.  I'm 
going to set hers up with Rene Herse 48mm tires and she'll be in good 
shape.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:53:24 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up 
> trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water, 
> heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020 
> Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes. 
> Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>
> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
> have evened out by now. 
>
> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: 1400 front derailers

[Bill Lindsay]

Back in May I indicated that I may decide to turn an eccentric spacer for 
the Skeleton Key front derailer.  I finally went ahead and did that today.  

For a little background here, most Rivendells have a 28.6mm seat tube, and 
most Rivendells take a clamp on front derailer.  Very few front derailers 
today are made with a 28.6mm clamp.  Almost all clamp on front derailers 
are made with a larger clamp diameter and they come with a plastic spacer 
to fit smaller diameter seat tubes.  The increments of seat tube diameter 
are 1/8", so 28.6mm = 1-1/8" , 31.8mm = 1-1/4", 34.9mm = 1-3/8".  The 
Skeleton Key front derailer is a 34.9mm model, and it comes with two 
different plastic spacers to fit the next two sizes down.  The Skeleton Key 
front derailer was made for a chain line that is "pretty wide" which would 
be great for a Gus/Susie but maybe not so great for a roadish bike.  

I have been preparing to set up an ultra compact, low-Q-factor drivetrain 
on my Black Mountain Monster Cross, and the key missing bit is the perfect 
front derailer.  I like the cage shape of the Skeleton Key, but not the 
wide chainline.  Since I need to run a plastic spacer anyway to make that 
34.9mm clamp fit my 28.6mm seat tube, I decided to make my own eccentric 
spacer on my small lathe.  As a first shot I only did about 2.5mm of 
eccentricity.  Depending on how I position my spacer, I can bring my 
Skeleton Key 2.5mm further in or 2.5mm further out.  

Pictures prove I was machining plastic 
today:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720303067081

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 9:34:45 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I will go out on a limb here and predict that Rivendell went ahead and 
> checked whether it would work before buying one thousand four hundred of 
> them.  They are the ones who have to set up their own bikes.  
>
> The chainline on the Black Mountain Monster Cross is standard Shimano Road 
> Chainline.  43.5mm by the book, or 42mm by my measurement.  The Skeleton 
> key will either work or I'll be modifying a derailleur.  Besides the 
> awesome cage shape, I like the 34.9mm clamp.  I may decide to turn an 
> eccentric spacer set to pull it inboard a few mm.  We'll see.  Summer 
> projects.  I'm in the thick of making my own front derailleur as well.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 6:56:40 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> My comment on the Skeleton Key FD chain line was meant for a full triple, 
>> not a XD-2 with a guard for the outer ring.  For a triple set up as a 
>> double, the chainline should not be problem for Skeleton Key FD, since it 
>> only needs to move 8 to 10mm to shift the Middle/Inner rings.
>>
>> On the Skeleton Key FD webite, RBW states:  "This will work with all 
>> Silver cranks"  RBW sells a Silver triple with 3 chainrings.   The 
>> Skeleton Key may have problem with shifting to the Inner ring.
>>
>> What is your Rear chain line on your Monster Cross??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 9:25:27 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Also note that this front derailer is intended for a large chainring of 
>>> 42 teeth or smaller and 14T of total difference.  I doubt there are a lot 
>>> of people running an XD2 road triple with a 42 tooth big ring and only 14T 
>>> of difference.  What would that be: 28/34/42?  I doubt there are many 
>>> people with that setup.  It'll be the perfect FD for a Gus/Susie with a 
>>> 34/24 double wrapped around huge tires.  
>>>
>>> If there's somebody out there running an XD2 triple with two rings and a 
>>> guard, then that person maybe has a 40/26 or something on their Roadini.  
>>> If that person has no front derailer, then they might indeed have a hard 
>>> time getting this one to pull the chain to the small ring.  
>>>
>>> Anyway, I will give it a look on my Black Mountain Monster Cross, which 
>>> will have a 38/24 double on it soon.  I've got a few different FD options 
>>> for that setup, and I'll give the skeleton key FD a look as I dial it in.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:24:50 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Bill

 Great report.RBW had these FD's on the website on Fri, 5/20/22, and 
 they looked ok to me.
   
 They state a 48.8mm chainline.  This seems excessive if you are 
 using a 45mmm chainline road triple, like an XD-2.  The FD *may not* 
 have inward swing to shift to the Inner chain ring. 

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:07:06 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
> indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
> exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Joe Bernard]

I was reading a book a while back and tried to pinch the screen to zoom in. 
It was a real book. Paper. 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:32:42 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ha! Thanks. On a similar note, I use an iPad exclusively. My wife had 
> something on her laptop and I kept trying to scroll on the screen. Her 
> laptop does not do that…
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:25:13 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> I kept double tapping, trying to “like.”
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> [image: BFA5A389-DD77-4A45-B579-DBF2F60C8BC2.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Because this thread needs some pictures. 
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
 last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
 and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes 
 the 
 bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
 I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
 looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
 degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel 
 as 
 good as the Clem.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:

 

 I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
 Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus 
 than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with 
 a 
 very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 

 mike

 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
> Susie and a Clem L?
> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
> the 
> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a 
> full 
> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really 
> good 
> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have 
> kept 
> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks 
> I 
> like to ride on the full squish bike.
> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and 
> capable on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some 
> experience riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. 
> The notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem 
> but 
> dedicated to singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, 

I totally agree that having some frames left in stock is MUCH better than 
what we've been looking at the last couple years, I just had this exact 
conversation with another list member yesterday. I think it's great that - 
for the moment at least - people will be able to notice a Platypus frame on 
the internet...and buy it! 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:29:48 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I think the presale still went really well, even if they did not sell out 
> of frames. Honestly, I’d like to be able to send people to Rivendell and 
> them to actually have bikes available when I do. There have been many times 
> I’ve been asked about my bike but Rivendell doesn’t have any for purchase. 
> I’ve spent lots of time combing through the internet in hopes of finding a 
> used one for a friend or a stranger on the internet. So, this is good.
>
> Side story: My best friend from Vegas (who moved out of state soon after I 
> did) got a used Platypus from the List. She has a carbon bike and is a 
> triathlete, so I wasn’t sure how it would go. But she loves her new bike. 
> LOVES it. Hers is mermaid and she put pink and white accents on it.
>
> Back to business. Did the dealers get allotments of the Platypuses? I 
> haven’t seen anything on Instagram about it. I think Rivendell started with 
> 50 frames per size at the presale. I hope there is an explosion in the 
> Platypus population out on the roads soon. Which may be the case, since Riv 
> isn’t doing the builds and probably not the prep, either. The turnaround 
> time should be a lot faster. 
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not buying a frame! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
>> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
>> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
>> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>>
>> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>>> type road bike.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
 Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were 
 sold 
 out in mere hours. 

 On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
> did during the pandemic.
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so 
>> maybe supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller 
>> folks. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have 
>>> given up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on 
>>> the 
>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement 
>>> of 
>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>
>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m 
>>> keen to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and 
>>> availability will have evened out by now. 
>>>
>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Jason Fuller]

As of this moment, there are 20x 50cm, 13x 55cm and 32x 60cm available. You 
can tell by how many it lets you add to cart.  

Must have been a big batch! Or they're selling slowly - likely, most people 
who want one got one on the last sale.  I suspect there will be 60's for a 
while, but the 55's won't last all that long. Long enough that there's no 
reason to complain about missing out, which is nice.  

On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 07:49:35 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Rivendell Instagram page indicates only “a few of each size” still 
> available. Sounds like the sale went pretty well?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 7:13 PM, David Person  wrote:
>
> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
> out in mere hours. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
>> during the pandemic.
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
>>> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given 
 up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the 
 water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
 the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
 minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 

 But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
 to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
 will have evened out by now. 

 Who is purchasing a Platypus? 

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: FS: Commuter Parts and tires- Shimano 600, panasonic dynamo, schwlabe...

[Collin A]

Folks, just a friendly bump. I added photos of the bike frame (whoops), and
included 2 additional items...a soma kickstand and a 6401 8-speed tricolor
RD. As a reminder, prices are OBO so if something interests you, lets talk.

Also, the payments have been received for all items originally marked as
pending (wheels, cranks, fenders, dynamo, headset), so those are
*officially* sold. Thanks all!

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CD6PdMnnTVxZiEGk9
>
>>
>>>1. SR Laprade 27.0 flutted seatpost. Scratches below the flutes, but
>>>otherwise pretty clean -* $30*
>>>2. Shimano BR451 and 550 mid-reach brakes (1 bikes worth). The front
>>>is older, but the rear is only a year old. Works great - *$40*
>>>3. Tektro FL750 brake levers for 22.2 bars - this uses road brake
>>>cables, not mtn, FYI - $30
>>>4. 1986 Trek 300 frame/fork 21" - its a commuter and it shows, but
>>>the bones on this thing are still good. Little baby dent on the top tube.
>>>Can fit 650x42 with fenders if you are looking for a lively roady 650b
>>>conversion. Otherwise can fit 700x38 with mid-reach calipers (or 700x32
>>>with fenders) - *$50*
>>>5. Soma "roady" kickstand, silver - used on the commuter and works
>>>well unless you really load the bike up.  *$20*
>>>6. Shimano 6401 8 speed 600 tricolor - friction shifts 9 speed 11-36
>>>cassette no problem! The allen head bolt is missing, but replaced with a
>>>nylon nut that works just as well. Also has ceramic pulleys for those 
>>> extra
>>>marginal gains I guess. - *$20*
>>>
>>> I've got some various 700 roady tires and 650b gravel tires too:
>>>
>>>1. Bontrager R3 700x32 tanwall (brown) and tubeless compatible
>>>(folding, 310g each). Mostly gravel miles on these weirdly enough. Setup
>>>tubeless, and one tire has a plug in it, but lots of life left -
>>>*$30*
>>>2. Vittoria rubino pro 700x30 tubeless compatible (folding, 320g
>>>each). Couple hundred miles on these and setup tubeless, but not plugs,
>>>etc. *$20*
>>>3. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x42 evos, tubless, folding bead (420g
>>>each)...bought in 2019 and used a couple times on a bike now sold. I
>>>trimmed knobs on one side of the tire because the carcass is a little
>>>wobbly. Never setup tubeless -* $40*
>>>4. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x55 evo, setup tubeless, folding bead
>>>(650g)...again used on a bike now sold. One tire - *$30*
>>>
>>> Happy Wednesday,
>>> Collin in Sactown
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[David Pulsipher]

Albatross for everything. Have done four day tours with them, and short 
rides. Everything in between. Super super comfortable.

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 10:23:36 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have done 
> some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This spring I 
> built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have come to 
> believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have tried. I have 
> ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have no soreness in 
> hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these bars with a quill 
> stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and liked them for 
> off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less comfortable for me.
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to come 
>> back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the forward 
>> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
>> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
>> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
>> better. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. I 
>>> routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt as 
>>> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
>>> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
>>> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
>>> (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
>>> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>>
>>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
>>> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>>
 Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
 for rides longer than say, 15 miles?

 I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
 what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?

 Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
 bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for 
 most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven 
 winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further 
 afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is 
 I 
 only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go 
 on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
 play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
 don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
 Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.

 Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
 factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
 as favorites for longer riding?

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[RBW] Re: Rim selection for a Sam Hillborne

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey Calvin! Unless you are looking to go tubeless, the Cliffhanger might be 
a bit wide for the tire sizes you have listed. I’m running a 700x50 on the 
Dyad and they work very well. Maybe look at the A23 if you want a more road 
 rim that is tubeless capable. Non tubeless is the only downside to the 
Dyad in my opinion. I think smaller than 48mm on the Cliffhanger would just 
be too narrow of a tire for it. 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 9:51:01 AM UTC-7 Cal Patterson wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am thinking of building a wheelset for my Sam, and am looking for 
> opinions & experiences of those who have used the Velocity Quills and also 
> the Cliffhangers.  I understand the former to be a fast and nimble road-ish 
> rim, and the latter to be a more stout trail and touring type.  I feel that 
> the Sam could be either of these things, and am trying to decide which way 
> to go.  
>
> Currently, my Sam is borrowing a set of wheels, shutter precision front 
> hub and ultegra 9-speed rear hub (re-spaced to 135) laced to Velocity Dyad 
> rims.  These feel fine, despite a slight bearing knock in the front hub, 
> though I like the idea of a rim somewhat wider than the Dyad.  For tires in 
> non-fender mode I've got 700x48, and fendered it'll have 42-44 range.
> My hub plan for the new wheelset is a xtr M900 that I've got for the rear, 
> and looking to get a son 28 or delux for the front.
>
> I'm curious about the feel & behavior of those different rims, all else 
> being equal.  I haven't ever/yet gotten to do much side-by-side comparison 
> of different rim styles scientifically, with all other parts being the 
> same.  Usually my experiences with wider, stout cliffhanger-type rims is on 
> a mountainish bike or a way stiff and heavy loaded tourer, not a zippy town 
> and trails cruiser.  I like the idea of touring on the Sam, but 
> realistically that would be two weeks a year, while the other 50 are town 
> trails and country cruising.  I don't really fear the weight of the 
> Cliffhangers, though I do appreciate the zip of a nice light rim & tire 
> combo.  Probably can't go wrong either way, but interested in others' 
> experiences.
>
> Thanks,
> Calvin
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[larson....@gmail.com]

In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have done 
some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This spring I 
built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have come to 
believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have tried. I have 
ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have no soreness in 
hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these bars with a quill 
stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and liked them for 
off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less comfortable for me.

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to come 
> back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the forward 
> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
> better. 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. I 
>> routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt as 
>> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
>> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
>> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle (which 
>> I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
>> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>
>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
>> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>
>>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
>>> for rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>>
>>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
>>> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>>
>>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
>>> bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for 
>>> most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven 
>>> winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further 
>>> afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is I 
>>> only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go 
>>> on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
>>> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
>>> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
>>> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
>>> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
>>> as favorites for longer riding?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Ryan Frahm]

Ha! Thanks. On a similar note, I use an iPad exclusively. My wife had 
something on her laptop and I kept trying to scroll on the screen. Her 
laptop does not do that…

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:25:13 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> I kept double tapping, trying to “like.”
>
> k.
>
> On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> [image: BFA5A389-DD77-4A45-B579-DBF2F60C8BC2.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
> Because this thread needs some pictures. 
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
>>> last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
>>> and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes the 
>>> bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
>>> I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
>>> looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
>>> degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel as 
>>> good as the Clem.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
>>> Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus 
>>> than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with a 
>>> very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
 about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
 Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
 Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
 Susie and a Clem L?
 My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
 comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
 the 
 bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
 suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
 off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
 me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
 like to ride on the full squish bike.
 Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and 
 capable on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some 
 experience riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. 
 The notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem 
 but 
 dedicated to singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
 Appreciate any comments / thoughts.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Keith Paugh]

I kept double tapping, trying to “like.”

k.

> On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Because this thread needs some pictures. 
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" version) 
>> for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it with an 
>> Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but still 
>> capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the way a 
>> hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued quicker on 
>> it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good things - I can 
>> still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked with a little 
>> more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which is healthy. 
>> I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when they come 
>> out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the realm of 
>> fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the last 
>>> to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem and 
>>> backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes the 
>>> bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
>>> I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
>>> looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
>>> degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel as 
>>> good as the Clem.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
> 
 
>>> 
 I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT Susie-Gus 
 vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus than Clem 
 of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with a very 
 short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 
 
 mike
 
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>> and a Clem L?
>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
>> the bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - 
>> a full suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is 
>> really good off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and 
>> flexibility have kept me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock 
>> and root strewn tracks I like to ride on the full squish bike.
>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
>> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience 
>> riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The 
>> notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but 
>> dedicated to singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride VO Quill Stem? pics? / Orange Appaloosa touch-up paint?

[Tom Wyland]

I'm running the VO shim for the Bosco Bars, yes.

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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Richard Rose]

Rivendell Instagram page indicates only “a few of each size” still available. 
Sounds like the sale went pretty well?

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> On Oct 20, 2022, at 7:13 PM, David Person  wrote:
> 
> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
> out in mere hours. 
> 
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
>> during the pandemic.
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
>>> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> 
 On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
  wrote:
 I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up 
 trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water, 
 heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020 
 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes. 
 Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
 
 But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
 know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
 have evened out by now. 
 
 Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
 
 Leah
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Piaw Na]

Yes. They are no longer installing forks unless you're picking up in 
person. Nowadays there are many mobile bike shops who will come to your 
home to do the bike build if you can't do it yourself, though I don't know 
if those bike vans have frame alignment tables. But I wouldn't attribute 
the slower than usual sales to the lack of frame prep. It could be that 
they recently just sold a bunch of Rosco Platypus, and it could also be 
that they had a larger than usual shipment of bikes.

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>
> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>> type road bike.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
>>> out in mere hours. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
 did during the pandemic.
 On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so 
> maybe supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have 
>> given up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on 
>> the 
>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>
>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
>> to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
>> will have evened out by now. 
>>
>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Your Rivendell: White Pine Trail, Grand Rapids, MI

[Roberta]

Beautiful. Love the colors of the riders, the bikes and the background. I’m 
going to head to IG for the video. 

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I simply LOVE that you all had the wisdom to call this a “Fellowship”! I 
> WILL be there next time. Sounds like you need another Hobbit.:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 16, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Unfortunately, that video is too long to post. If you would like to see 
> it, you can email me for it or view it on Instagram or the Riv FB fan 
> pages. Sorry!
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> It was a cold and lovely Saturday for our 2nd Riv Ride. Seven riders were 
>> in attendance with a variety of Rivendells. Class. So much class. We just 
>> oozed class all over the White Pine Trail and we weren’t apologetic. Riding 
>> your Rivendell is treat enough, but riding in a *fellowship *of 
>> Rivendells is superior even to that. In fact, that’s what I’m going to call 
>> these events from now on. A Fellowship of Rivendells: Insert Meeting Place 
>> Here. 
>>
>> The Lone Wolf (Mark Irwin) and I arrived before 10, and wondered if we 
>> might be the only two riders. We shrugged and said, “Well, if it’s just us 
>> that will be just fine.” The Lone Wolf has been plagued with my presence 
>> ever since April and he has reached a place of acceptance. Acceptance of my 
>> chattering on about the water and the trees and my failure to ever know 
>> which direction we are going. He brought his 10-year-old Sam this time, and 
>> I brought my raspberry Platypus.
>>
>> Moments later we had the good fortune to spot a vehicle bearing a bike 
>> entering the lot. It was Rob, who came from Milford, MI and brought his ‘98 
>> Rivendell Custom. Rob’s bike was the oldest Rivendell present that day. It 
>> is a lovely blue-green that really defies classification and draws the eye. 
>> The lugs are very different from the ones on modern Rivs. He has tens of 
>> thousands of miles on it.
>>
>> An Atlantis bearing a burly rider dressed in neon yellow and purple 
>> sunglasses rolled up next. T.J. only lives 3 miles from the meeting spot 
>> and decided he’d just throw on a pair of shorts (*shorts!* I was 
>> freezing in my wool base layer  and 2nd layer of clothing) and ride on 
>> over. T.J. is a character with a big personality and good sense of humor. 
>> He calls out encouraging things to the riders we pass by, and can whistle 
>> These Are A Few Of My Favorite Things wicked good. He and his wife ride 
>> matching Atlanti, and the backstory, well, you must hear it. An Atlantis in 
>> his wife’s size went for sale locally. He contacted the seller immediately, 
>> who said T.J. was 3rd in line. A total bummer. The phone rang, and it was 
>> Ben, telling T.J., “There’s an Atlantis in your wife’s size and I’m 2nd in 
>> line for it!” The phone rang again, this time it was Josh, who said, “There 
>> was an Atlantis for sale locally and I got there first and I just bought it 
>> on your behalf for your wife. But geez, I had to pay an extra $200 because 
>> there were 3 people wanting it!” 
>>
>> Then came Ben, the very one mentioned in the previous paragraph, who 
>> pulled a Frank Jones, Sr. out of his pickup truck. Ben brings sustenance 
>> wherever he goes and is willing to share; he has a penchant for 
>> high-quality, whole foods and, well, a pipe…the contents of which I shall 
>> not name and did not share. He has a collection of Rivs and Bridgestones, 
>> and we will probably never see the same bike twice.
>>
>> Josh came next, bringing an Atlantis in a custom metallic green color. 
>> Josh owns a local bike shop that he fortuitously opened in 2020. He has 
>> done many rides over the years with Ben and T.J. and is the Josh 
>> responsible for scoring T.J.’s wife an Atlantis at an inflated price! He 
>> graciously led most of the ride and chose our brewery for the after party. 
>> He’s a born and raised Grand Rapids guy and wise in the ways of West 
>> Michigan custom. When the last segment of salty, doughy pretzel lay on the 
>> plate at our table Josh said, “Everyone wants that last bite but no one 
>> will take it because we are in West Michigan. If you want anyone to take 
>> that piece, cut it in two.” And sure enough. 
>>
>> Finally, Conway arrived. He came from “Chicagoland” which is, I think, 
>> what you say when you’re from the area but not the city proper. He brought 
>> his Hunq, which likely felt light as a feather because almost always, he’s 
>> got a 3 year old and 1.5 year old lashed to it. But, he managed to break 
>> away from fatherly duties for today’s ride and it was very good to put a 
>> face with a name I’ve seen on this List for years. 
>>
>> I’ll include an additional post with the video I made for those of you 
>> who like to view videos. I hope to see more of you next year when we kick 
>> off s

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Roberta]

It looks GREAT. I’m not surprised that you’re going with the more is more 
triangle idea—it will be fab!

Similar to my commuter setup and I love it so I think you will too. It’s 
freeing to get excess weight off the front.

 How do you like it?

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:30:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I picked up my bike today. I had the work done yesterday but when I got 
> home I realized the rear dyno light wasn’t illuminating. Back I went, and 
> since the shop was working on the light, I begged them to fix the wiring 
> job they had done. The wires were bunched up and zip tied with black zip 
> ties right behind my head tube. Really unsightly. I brought my raspberry 
> Platypus along to illustrate a beautiful wiring job. I told them I’d pay 
> them all over again for labor (to their credit, they tried not to accept, 
> but I think it was fair to pay again because they were redoing the wiring 
> for cosmetic reasons) if we could just mirror the red bike’s wiring. They 
> studied the racing Platypus and snapped some photos. Then, they got to 
> work. 
>
> There was some problem with the connection for the rear light, so they 
> replaced it. And there was an extra connection behind the headlight, so 
> they eliminated it. They zip-tied the wires to the cables that run 
> alongside the down tube. They secured the extra wire near the kickstand 
> plate instead of by the pretty lugs at the head tube. Nice and hidden. This 
> is not the bike I’m precious about, but I still like it to look pretty. The 
> shop did a really nice job; I bet they will do their zip ties to the cables 
> from now on. There really isn’t any drawback that I can see and it is so 
> aesthetically pleasing. If I ever get access to mint-colored zip ties I’ll 
> replace the black ones.
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: image9.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Here it is, bare naked:
> [image: image8.jpeg]
>
> I put the basket on the rack and hung the bags. It feels very different 
> without the weight on the front end, but I think I love it. I have had zero 
> time to ride tonight, but should weather cooperate, I’ll test it out this 
> weekend. I really, REALLY love that I no longer deal with wheel flop. 
>
> [image: image4.jpeg]
>
> The reflector on the side of the Ron’s bag needs a new home. To be 
> determined.
> [image: image5.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
> Thanks for all your help and posts on this thread! It is fun to 
> reconfigure a bike in ways that might better serve.
> Leah 
>
> On Oct 14, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Joe, isn’t it the truth? I got it all put right now, I think! More on 
> that later. I’m headed out to dinner…
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 14, 2022, at 3:36 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Someday a bike shop is going to put one of your bikes back together 
> properly. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but that day will come.  
>
> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 7:23:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I got my bike done today at the shop and it has made a huge difference in 
>> ease of lifting it onto the rack. I didn’t get far with setting it up again 
>> because when I got home I realized the rear dyno light isn’t working now. 
>> She shop had to mess with the dyno wiring and something is likely off, but 
>> I can’t see what. Also, they wadded up the wire and zip tied it to the top 
>> tube, near that pretty head tube lug and it’s hideous. I will beg them (and 
>> pay them again) to wire that bike more classily. My other bike is a perfect 
>> example, so maybe I bring that in as a guide. 
>>
>> But, once I get these details handled, I do think I’m going to love the 
>> improvements. Photos to come!
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:29:17 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That's because your romanceur is a low trail bike with 36mm of trail as 
>>> opposed to the 55-60mm on typical Rivendell bikes.  Conversely, that's why 
>>> the Romanceur won't ride well without a front load!  That makes bikes like 
>>> that a specialized item as opposed as a bike meant for general riding that 
>>> can be used for both carrying a load and riding without one.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 I ran a porteur rack and large basket on my romanceur and never noticed 
 the weight. I'd be surprised when I took it off how much the rack+basket 
 weighed. Riding I found it to be no issue. I could load it up and it was 
 never an issue. I actually found it a bit too wispy unloaded - but I 
 rarely 
 go on a ride with *nothing* with me. 

 Once I purchased a new style clem smith jr the wheel flop even with 
 just a rack and basket drove me nuts. Loaded up with lots of tools or 
 groceries it rides OK. but it didn't have the same effortless *pushing a 
 wheelbarrow* feel my romanceur had. I feel it lacks the nimble aspect that 
 works well bike cam

Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Ryan Frahm]

I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to come 
back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the forward 
position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
better. 

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. I 
> routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt as 
> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle (which 
> I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but with 
> a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>
> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>
>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best for 
>> rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>
>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
>> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>
>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run bike 
>> errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for most 
>> of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven winner 
>> for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further afield 
>> and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is I only 
>> have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go on 
>> longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
>> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
>> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
>> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>>
>> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
>> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
>> as favorites for longer riding?
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Ryan Frahm]

I read in the email that they aren’t doing prep for now and they only took 
on 15 more builds. They are pretty backed up on builds! It is nice for 
anyone on the fence that they didn’t sell out instantly, hopefully it 
doesn’t hurt Riv to have some inventory for a bit. 

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:29:48 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I think the presale still went really well, even if they did not sell out 
> of frames. Honestly, I’d like to be able to send people to Rivendell and 
> them to actually have bikes available when I do. There have been many times 
> I’ve been asked about my bike but Rivendell doesn’t have any for purchase. 
> I’ve spent lots of time combing through the internet in hopes of finding a 
> used one for a friend or a stranger on the internet. So, this is good.
>
> Side story: My best friend from Vegas (who moved out of state soon after I 
> did) got a used Platypus from the List. She has a carbon bike and is a 
> triathlete, so I wasn’t sure how it would go. But she loves her new bike. 
> LOVES it. Hers is mermaid and she put pink and white accents on it.
>
> Back to business. Did the dealers get allotments of the Platypuses? I 
> haven’t seen anything on Instagram about it. I think Rivendell started with 
> 50 frames per size at the presale. I hope there is an explosion in the 
> Platypus population out on the roads soon. Which may be the case, since Riv 
> isn’t doing the builds and probably not the prep, either. The turnaround 
> time should be a lot faster. 
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not buying a frame! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
>> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
>> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
>> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>>
>> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>>> type road bike.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
 Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were 
 sold 
 out in mere hours. 

 On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they 
> did during the pandemic.
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so 
>> maybe supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller 
>> folks. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have 
>>> given up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on 
>>> the 
>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement 
>>> of 
>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>
>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m 
>>> keen to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and 
>>> availability will have evened out by now. 
>>>
>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Angle of your LOSCO BARS

[Richard Rose]

I think the Losco / Bosco / Tosco bars are all similar enough (amount of rise 
being the main difference) that my Bosco comment is relevant. My tips are 
angled down significantly. I tried several adjustments and have settled on an 
angle that puts the grip area parallel to the extension on my FacePlater stem. 
I think that puts it around 10 degrees? Side note; I tried to get along with a 
BoscoMoose. The fixed angle was much flatter. I found it unrideable.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Jay LePree  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I am curious how you set up the angle of your Losco bars.  I have them set up 
> so that the ramp is horizontal with the handles of the bars pointing slightly 
> downward.  Just curious what works for you.
> 
> Jay LePree
> Demarest, NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Will M]

@Jon: I see you've had some good info about maximum fender/tire clearances. 
For what it's worth, I ran my Ram 

 
100% on paved roads with the standard Rivendell Roll-y Pol-y 700x28c tires 
and SKS P35 fenders (which max out at 28mm tires?).  Worked great with 
Ultegra side-pull brakes.

Will M

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:03:55 PM UTC-4 Jon Richardson wrote:

> JP - I have wondered about having this setup as a 650b ride.  To hear how 
> you made this a convertible is very intriguing!  I have mostly race type 
> road bikes and am moving into a more useful all-round bike as I have had 
> too many injuries.
>
>  Original message 
> From: MoVelo  
> Date: 10/20/22 1:52 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>
> Im running 50mm SKS plastic fenders on my Ramboulliet when it's in fender 
> mode. I switch back and forth between 700x32s and 650Bx42s so it's good to 
> have a fender wide enough for both of those.
>
> It works really well given the location of the brake bridge in back and 
> fork crown in front. Using Tektro 559s I simply slide the brake shoes to 
> the bottom of the slot for 650B and then at the top of the slot for 700c. I 
> did have to file the rear brake slot a bit to get the brake shoe low 
> enough. 
>
> It's almost as simple and operation as with disc brakes. Takes me maybe 20 
> mins to make the switch.
>
> I can't think of a more versatile bike than this Rambo.
>
> JP
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 1:27:47 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I finally settled on RH stampede Pass tires on Velocity Synergy rims 
>> under Honjo H-45 fenders and Paul center mount Racer brakes. Been riding 
>> that Rambouillet on all roads that way for years. 
>> Fendered '02 Rambouillet on 700x32 
>> 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 8:20:13 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> IF you can get those wider fenders inside those brakes. My memory of 
>>> messing with this on my Romulus is pretty vague now but it wasn't the 
>>> easiest project I've ever embarked on. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:28:22 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Peter!  

 Appreciate everyone's help and advice.  Looks like 28 or maybe 30s if 
 they are true to size and 41 to 45mm fenders should work.  Guess the Jack 
 Browns are nice weather gravel for the Ram.

  Original message 
 From: Peter White  
 Date: 10/18/22 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 

 I'm firmly in Joe's camp.

 I use Challenge Paris Roubaix tires on my Rambouillet. They are 
 labelled 27mm but measure 29.5mm. My fenders are Berthoud carbon fiber, 
 only 25mm wide, but then this is my good weather bike. I would not 
 recommend anything wider than these tires with any fender on the 
 Rambouillet. 33.3mm would be very dangerous, in my opinion. If this were 
 my 
 bad weather bike, I'd be using the same tires but with the 41mm 
 Stronglight 
 anodized aluminum fenders.

 Peter Jon White

 On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 2:10 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Jon, 
>
> You would probably need wider fenders for 33.3 and I'm not comfortable 
> recommending it. These frames weren't designed for a fender/tire 
> combination like that and the minimal  clearance is begging for a 
> bike-stopping branch to get stuck in there. 
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 5:17:52 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe!  The description says for 20-28c tires, however I run the 
>> 33.3 Jack Bs, do I need a wider set of fenders?
>>
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[RBW] Angle of your LOSCO BARS

[Jay LePree]

Hi all:

I am curious how you set up the angle of your Losco bars.  I have them set 
up so that the ramp is horizontal with the handles of the bars pointing 
slightly downward.  Just curious what works for you.

Jay LePree
Demarest, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Leah Peterson]

I think the presale still went really well, even if they did not sell out of 
frames. Honestly, I’d like to be able to send people to Rivendell and them to 
actually have bikes available when I do. There have been many times I’ve been 
asked about my bike but Rivendell doesn’t have any for purchase. I’ve spent 
lots of time combing through the internet in hopes of finding a used one for a 
friend or a stranger on the internet. So, this is good.

Side story: My best friend from Vegas (who moved out of state soon after I did) 
got a used Platypus from the List. She has a carbon bike and is a triathlete, 
so I wasn’t sure how it would go. But she loves her new bike. LOVES it. Hers is 
mermaid and she put pink and white accents on it.

Back to business. Did the dealers get allotments of the Platypuses? I haven’t 
seen anything on Instagram about it. I think Rivendell started with 50 frames 
per size at the presale. I hope there is an explosion in the Platypus 
population out on the roads soon. Which may be the case, since Riv isn’t doing 
the builds and probably not the prep, either. The turnaround time should be a 
lot faster. 

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I'm speaking in general terms. I'm not buying a frame! 
> 
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
>> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
>> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
>> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>> 
>> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>>> type road bike.
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
 It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
 Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were 
 sold out in mere hours. 
 
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
> during the pandemic.
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
>> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given 
>>> up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the 
>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement 
>>> of the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone 
>>> in minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>> 
>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen 
>>> to know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability 
>>> will have evened out by now. 
>>> 
>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>> 
>>> Leah
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