[RBW] Re: Shifters - UNO shifter

[Luke Hendrickson]

You can use a 11s chain or a 12s chain if you so choose! Also, I work there 
(Merry/Soma) so feel free to hit me with questions. 

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 4:43:41 PM UTC-7 Stephanie A. wrote:

> I'm looking forward to reading how you like it. The spouse wants more 
> gears and the fastest way to do it is to get him a 10- or 11-speed cassette 
> and a friction shifter since his Breezer Downtown EX came as a 1x8.
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 6:12:15 PM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> I saw the video where Russ announced this, and was also curious as I've 
>> got an 11sp Cassette in my parts bin with no current home. 
>>
>> I do think you need an 11sp chain, as the chain width and cassette 
>> spacing work most natively together. You may be able to get away with a 
>> 10sp chain depending on the company, so if you've got one it could be worth 
>> a try. 
>>
>> Primary difference between the Microshift and the Uno is the ratchet. 
>> I've got the microshift 11sp shifter on my gevanalle brifters and it works 
>> fine in index but the friction setting is a little frustrating without the 
>> ratchet. That paired with the fact that the Uno looks classy makes me feel 
>> like you still made the right call... especially for a Riv.
>>
>> Hope that's helpful!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:51:40 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried the UNO? 
>>>
>>> If you don't know what I'm talking about check out this video from Russ 
>>> at The Path Less Pedaled.  The 
>>> shifter is a collaboration between Soma, DiaCompe and Russ.  It's a 
>>> friction shifter that should take anything you throw at it including 11 or 
>>> 12 speed, MTB or Road drivetrains. 
>>>
>>> I got to it because I'm considering a 1x set up on one of my bikes and I 
>>> want maximum flexibility and compatibility to allow me to use a clutch and 
>>> a SRAM RD if I choose to.
>>>
>>> Also, I've been fighting a CX-70 FD paired with White Industries 2x9 
>>> setup on my Hunqapillar. No matter how much I adjust it or how much I trim, 
>>> certain combinations (of the ones I actually use) always have some rub. I'm 
>>> still trying to get my hands on an IRD Sub-C FD which might allow me to 
>>> keep the current setup (I love the gearing I have with 42/24 chainrings and 
>>> a 11-40 cassette) but I might want to switch things up.
>>>
>>> Long story short I bit the bullet and got an UNO. It feels really solid 
>>> and the ratchet sounds great. Also take a look, the thing is massive 
>>> compared to a Silver2:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0495.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For my 1x I'm considering using a Shimano SLX M7000 11 Speed 11-40 
>>> cassette that I already have in my parts box. And I'll probably pair that 
>>> with a SRAM GX 10-Speed RD.
>>>
>>> The question for the group is: do I need to use an 11 speed chain given 
>>> the 11 speed cassette?
>>>
>>> Oh, and now I'm wondering, is the UNO just a fancy version of this 
>>> Microshift shifter 
>>>  which 
>>> I hadn't seen but just found on Crust's website?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Max in rainy Boston
>>>
>>> PS. They are available here from Soma 
>>> 
>>>  for 
>>> a pretty penny if you want to get one.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell TrunkSack Small

[Joe Bernard]

Pedal straps through the rings on top of the lid and over the saddle rails? 
Not sure how you'd deal with it opening straight down from the saddle 
though. 

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 7:52:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I was fortunate to score a recent sale of as-new small TrunkSacks; I got 
> the khaki one. Thank you to the seller; I got the as-new bag for less than 
> 1/2 list.
>
> It's much smaller than I had anticipated, though, and the name reminds of 
> of one of Rabbit's friends-and-relations, from Winnie the Pooh: the beetle 
> Small. It's so *cute!*
>
> (Sorry.)
>
> Serious question. (Sorry, ramblin' mind: reminds me of my daughter age 5 
> or so: I'd be playing the fool and after it got to be too much, she'd say 
> with great emphasis: "Daddy! Be *sewious!"*)
>
> I wonder if there is any way to use this as a large saddle wedge, IOW to 
> attach it to a saddle sans rack? I'd be interested to hear of any ideas and 
> even more of any successes.
>
> Ta!
>
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> ---
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>
>

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[RBW] Rivendell TrunkSack Small

[Patrick Moore]

I was fortunate to score a recent sale of as-new small TrunkSacks; I got
the khaki one. Thank you to the seller; I got the as-new bag for less than
1/2 list.

It's much smaller than I had anticipated, though, and the name reminds of
of one of Rabbit's friends-and-relations, from Winnie the Pooh: the beetle
Small. It's so *cute!*

(Sorry.)

Serious question. (Sorry, ramblin' mind: reminds me of my daughter age 5 or
so: I'd be playing the fool and after it got to be too much, she'd say with
great emphasis: "Daddy! Be *sewious!"*)

I wonder if there is any way to use this as a large saddle wedge, IOW to
attach it to a saddle sans rack? I'd be interested to hear of any ideas and
even more of any successes.

Ta!

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[RBW] Re: Shifters - UNO shifter

[Stephanie A.]

I'm looking forward to reading how you like it. The spouse wants more gears 
and the fastest way to do it is to get him a 10- or 11-speed cassette and a 
friction shifter since his Breezer Downtown EX came as a 1x8.
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 6:12:15 PM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Max,
>
> I saw the video where Russ announced this, and was also curious as I've 
> got an 11sp Cassette in my parts bin with no current home. 
>
> I do think you need an 11sp chain, as the chain width and cassette spacing 
> work most natively together. You may be able to get away with a 10sp chain 
> depending on the company, so if you've got one it could be worth a try. 
>
> Primary difference between the Microshift and the Uno is the ratchet. I've 
> got the microshift 11sp shifter on my gevanalle brifters and it works fine 
> in index but the friction setting is a little frustrating without the 
> ratchet. That paired with the fact that the Uno looks classy makes me feel 
> like you still made the right call... especially for a Riv.
>
> Hope that's helpful!
>
> - Drew
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:51:40 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried the UNO? 
>>
>> If you don't know what I'm talking about check out this video from Russ 
>> at The Path Less Pedaled.  The 
>> shifter is a collaboration between Soma, DiaCompe and Russ.  It's a 
>> friction shifter that should take anything you throw at it including 11 or 
>> 12 speed, MTB or Road drivetrains. 
>>
>> I got to it because I'm considering a 1x set up on one of my bikes and I 
>> want maximum flexibility and compatibility to allow me to use a clutch and 
>> a SRAM RD if I choose to.
>>
>> Also, I've been fighting a CX-70 FD paired with White Industries 2x9 
>> setup on my Hunqapillar. No matter how much I adjust it or how much I trim, 
>> certain combinations (of the ones I actually use) always have some rub. I'm 
>> still trying to get my hands on an IRD Sub-C FD which might allow me to 
>> keep the current setup (I love the gearing I have with 42/24 chainrings and 
>> a 11-40 cassette) but I might want to switch things up.
>>
>> Long story short I bit the bullet and got an UNO. It feels really solid 
>> and the ratchet sounds great. Also take a look, the thing is massive 
>> compared to a Silver2:
>>
>> [image: IMG_0495.jpeg]
>>
>> For my 1x I'm considering using a Shimano SLX M7000 11 Speed 11-40 
>> cassette that I already have in my parts box. And I'll probably pair that 
>> with a SRAM GX 10-Speed RD.
>>
>> The question for the group is: do I need to use an 11 speed chain given 
>> the 11 speed cassette?
>>
>> Oh, and now I'm wondering, is the UNO just a fancy version of this 
>> Microshift shifter 
>>  which 
>> I hadn't seen but just found on Crust's website?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Max in rainy Boston
>>
>> PS. They are available here from Soma 
>> 
>>  for 
>> a pretty penny if you want to get one.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Saddlesack Small, blue, VG condition

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD 

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:13:46 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is the precursor to the BagBoy, about an inch less deep and has never 
> needed a support rack on any bike I've ever used them on. Sold to me a few 
> months ago in near-new condition and looks same now. I assume the color 
> qualifies as Royal Blue but it's brighter than what that name implies to 
> me, maybe not as bright as the current Bright Blue Riv sells. Outdoor pic 
> shows the accurate hue, all my indoor bag shots wash out. 
>
> $100 shipped
> PayPal, Venmo, check, 💯 dollah bill 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> [image: Screenshot_20230605_094419.jpg]
> [image: Screenshot_20230605_100456.jpg]
>

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[RBW] FS: 700c Velocity Dyad Wheelset (Los Angeles)

[Ezra Ewen]

Hi Owners Bunch :)

Selling a lightly used 700c Velocity Dyad Wheelset for *$225*

PHOTO LINK 

Front is Deore Hub 

Rear hub is 130mm Velocity road hub (silver color) 

Only really interested in selling this wheelset in Los Angeles or southern 
california. (Though I might drive up to the Bay Area later this month).

I'll include these great condition Continental Tour Ride tires with them 
for free if you want.

Best,

-Ezra in Los Angeles



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[RBW] Re: Shifters - UNO shifter

[Drew Fitchette]

Hey Max,

I saw the video where Russ announced this, and was also curious as I've got 
an 11sp Cassette in my parts bin with no current home. 

I do think you need an 11sp chain, as the chain width and cassette spacing 
work most natively together. You may be able to get away with a 10sp chain 
depending on the company, so if you've got one it could be worth a try. 

Primary difference between the Microshift and the Uno is the ratchet. I've 
got the microshift 11sp shifter on my gevanalle brifters and it works fine 
in index but the friction setting is a little frustrating without the 
ratchet. That paired with the fact that the Uno looks classy makes me feel 
like you still made the right call... especially for a Riv.

Hope that's helpful!

- Drew

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:51:40 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Has anyone tried the UNO? 
>
> If you don't know what I'm talking about check out this video from Russ 
> at The Path Less Pedaled.  The 
> shifter is a collaboration between Soma, DiaCompe and Russ.  It's a 
> friction shifter that should take anything you throw at it including 11 or 
> 12 speed, MTB or Road drivetrains. 
>
> I got to it because I'm considering a 1x set up on one of my bikes and I 
> want maximum flexibility and compatibility to allow me to use a clutch and 
> a SRAM RD if I choose to.
>
> Also, I've been fighting a CX-70 FD paired with White Industries 2x9 setup 
> on my Hunqapillar. No matter how much I adjust it or how much I trim, 
> certain combinations (of the ones I actually use) always have some rub. I'm 
> still trying to get my hands on an IRD Sub-C FD which might allow me to 
> keep the current setup (I love the gearing I have with 42/24 chainrings and 
> a 11-40 cassette) but I might want to switch things up.
>
> Long story short I bit the bullet and got an UNO. It feels really solid 
> and the ratchet sounds great. Also take a look, the thing is massive 
> compared to a Silver2:
>
> [image: IMG_0495.jpeg]
>
> For my 1x I'm considering using a Shimano SLX M7000 11 Speed 11-40 
> cassette that I already have in my parts box. And I'll probably pair that 
> with a SRAM GX 10-Speed RD.
>
> The question for the group is: do I need to use an 11 speed chain given 
> the 11 speed cassette?
>
> Oh, and now I'm wondering, is the UNO just a fancy version of this 
> Microshift shifter 
>  which 
> I hadn't seen but just found on Crust's website?
>
> Cheers,
> Max in rainy Boston
>
> PS. They are available here from Soma 
> 
>  for 
> a pretty penny if you want to get one.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Tires, was making Clem a Gravel Bike

[Johnny Alien]

I have had the same tire experience almost exactly (transforming the ride 
significantly) and it has made me be very picky about tire selection.

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 5:30:42 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I am not an avid gravel rider but many of my rides involve short stretches 
> of gravel roads. What I've found that works for me is not so much tires but 
> how I approach gravel riding. I grip the handlebars lightly and never 
> overcorrect steering. During my first foray into gravel riding I approached 
> it the same as on asphalt but learned that when I feel a little slip of my 
> front wheel I don't react with steering, if that makes sense. It can be 
> disconcerting at first but I have lately even tried no-hands on gravel with 
> no problemsso far. I don't recommend no-hands though. 
> Doug
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 4:09:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I had the same experience after installing 559 X 28 Elk Passes (175 
>> digital grams) to replace 571 X 23 Michelin Pro Races (different rims of 
>> course). The PRs were better than the light version of the Conti Grands 
>> Prix that I used previously, but the Elk Passes felt as if I were riding on 
>> a "good day" instead of a tired day; and that feeling remains after 8 
>> years. (I shod the 2020 Matthews with the EPs and it felt fast! Then I 
>> replaced the EPs with the 42 mm Naches Pass ELs; these feel darned good, 
>> but the bike no longer has the feel of "accelerate!" that it did before 
>> (and the handling also loses some "crispness).
>>
>> Ditto when replacing the 50 mm F Freds -- which felt fast when I rode 
>> them -- with the lightest 60 mm Big Ones: again, consistently over time and 
>> repeated conditions I pedaled in a gear 1 tooth higher.
>>
>> Tho', odd: My Herse had some mediocre tires; IIRC 32 mm Pasela wire 
>> beads; and I'd bought the bike cheap because the previous 2 owners thought 
>> the tubing too thick and unreponsive. But the fit felt "perfect" from the 
>> first ride, and with that bike too I routinely rode 1 tooth smaller in 
>> back. Odd.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 1:47 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I attached here a section from Riv's website 
>>>  about tire ride 
>>> quality fyi.
>>>
>>> That section is from Soma, not Riv, and it says, "There is a pervasive 
>>> myth that thin, "supple" tire sidewalls are essential to a smooth and cushy 
>>> ride. That is misleading at best, bullshit at worst."  (I could be wrong, 
>>> but I don't think Grant has ever sworn like that in anything he's 
>>> published, btw.)
>>>
>>> Soma is doing the misleading here. I've never heard or seen anyone claim 
>>> that supple tires are "essential to a smooth and cushy ride." The claims I 
>>> am aware of are 1) they are faster, and 2) they are more comfortable, all 
>>> else equal. Claim 1 is fully backed by science. Claim 2 is simply a matter 
>>> of opinion, and lots of people I know hold that opinion based on thousands 
>>> of miles of experience.
>>>
>>> The first tires I put on my ProtoveloBleriot were Rivendell's Fatty 
>>> Rumpkin tires. I rode those lots of places, over lots of surfaces, lots of 
>>> miles, and all the time I thought, "this bike is okay, nothing special." 
>>> Then, before riding that bike 600km to my 25th college reunion, I put 
>>> Pacenti PariMotos on it. As I said in my previous post, I audibly gasped as 
>>> I coasted down my driveway the first time. The bike accelerated like a 
>>> rocket pack had been attached to it. The tires utterly transformed the bike 
>>> into one that I happily rode many more miles. You can look up Compass/Rene 
>>> Herse tire testing results to see their measurements of rolling resistance 
>>> and how miserably off the back the Fatty Rumpkins are. It was very 
>>> interesting for me to read their test report, having binned the tires a few 
>>> years earlier.
>>>
>>> Look, as I also said previously, we have an embarrassment of riches in 
>>> bike tires today. In my experience, which I think is pretty extensive, the 
>>> three things that most transform a bike (assuming you've found your happy 
>>> saddle) are new tires, a new chain, and new handlebar tape. In the grand 
>>> scheme of cycling expenses, trying a new set of tires each year is, IMO, 
>>> money well spent for max enjoyment. I highly encourage people to experiment 
>>> and find what works for them.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Tires, was making Clem a Gravel Bike

[Doug H.]

I am not an avid gravel rider but many of my rides involve short stretches 
of gravel roads. What I've found that works for me is not so much tires but 
how I approach gravel riding. I grip the handlebars lightly and never 
overcorrect steering. During my first foray into gravel riding I approached 
it the same as on asphalt but learned that when I feel a little slip of my 
front wheel I don't react with steering, if that makes sense. It can be 
disconcerting at first but I have lately even tried no-hands on gravel with 
no problemsso far. I don't recommend no-hands though. 
Doug

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 4:09:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I had the same experience after installing 559 X 28 Elk Passes (175 
> digital grams) to replace 571 X 23 Michelin Pro Races (different rims of 
> course). The PRs were better than the light version of the Conti Grands 
> Prix that I used previously, but the Elk Passes felt as if I were riding on 
> a "good day" instead of a tired day; and that feeling remains after 8 
> years. (I shod the 2020 Matthews with the EPs and it felt fast! Then I 
> replaced the EPs with the 42 mm Naches Pass ELs; these feel darned good, 
> but the bike no longer has the feel of "accelerate!" that it did before 
> (and the handling also loses some "crispness).
>
> Ditto when replacing the 50 mm F Freds -- which felt fast when I rode them 
> -- with the lightest 60 mm Big Ones: again, consistently over time and 
> repeated conditions I pedaled in a gear 1 tooth higher.
>
> Tho', odd: My Herse had some mediocre tires; IIRC 32 mm Pasela wire beads; 
> and I'd bought the bike cheap because the previous 2 owners thought the 
> tubing too thick and unreponsive. But the fit felt "perfect" from the first 
> ride, and with that bike too I routinely rode 1 tooth smaller in back. Odd.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 1:47 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>
>> I attached here a section from Riv's website 
>>  about tire ride 
>> quality fyi.
>>
>> That section is from Soma, not Riv, and it says, "There is a pervasive 
>> myth that thin, "supple" tire sidewalls are essential to a smooth and cushy 
>> ride. That is misleading at best, bullshit at worst."  (I could be wrong, 
>> but I don't think Grant has ever sworn like that in anything he's 
>> published, btw.)
>>
>> Soma is doing the misleading here. I've never heard or seen anyone claim 
>> that supple tires are "essential to a smooth and cushy ride." The claims I 
>> am aware of are 1) they are faster, and 2) they are more comfortable, all 
>> else equal. Claim 1 is fully backed by science. Claim 2 is simply a matter 
>> of opinion, and lots of people I know hold that opinion based on thousands 
>> of miles of experience.
>>
>> The first tires I put on my ProtoveloBleriot were Rivendell's Fatty 
>> Rumpkin tires. I rode those lots of places, over lots of surfaces, lots of 
>> miles, and all the time I thought, "this bike is okay, nothing special." 
>> Then, before riding that bike 600km to my 25th college reunion, I put 
>> Pacenti PariMotos on it. As I said in my previous post, I audibly gasped as 
>> I coasted down my driveway the first time. The bike accelerated like a 
>> rocket pack had been attached to it. The tires utterly transformed the bike 
>> into one that I happily rode many more miles. You can look up Compass/Rene 
>> Herse tire testing results to see their measurements of rolling resistance 
>> and how miserably off the back the Fatty Rumpkins are. It was very 
>> interesting for me to read their test report, having binned the tires a few 
>> years earlier.
>>
>> Look, as I also said previously, we have an embarrassment of riches in 
>> bike tires today. In my experience, which I think is pretty extensive, the 
>> three things that most transform a bike (assuming you've found your happy 
>> saddle) are new tires, a new chain, and new handlebar tape. In the grand 
>> scheme of cycling expenses, trying a new set of tires each year is, IMO, 
>> money well spent for max enjoyment. I highly encourage people to experiment 
>> and find what works for them.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

[David Person]

Cool!

On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
> details. I’m so happy for her! 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>> so. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>
>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Free: Riv head badges

[Eric Marth]

Fudge

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 3:44:30 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:

> Thanks Matti! I've got an Atlantis missing the headbadge so this was my 
> lucky day.
>
> If any Heron owners out there are missing the headbadge, let me know and 
> I'll pay Matti's kindness forward.
>
> -Danny
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 2:41 PM Matti  wrote:
>
>> Danny in Wisconsin is the lucky winner!
>>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 12:33:27 PM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>>
>>> I have two Rivendell headbadges, one Atlantis and one Heron, purchased 
>>> at a swap meet a few years ago.  I kept them as reminders of my bike 
>>> aspirations, and now that I have a new Sam Hillborne, I offer them to 
>>> someone else who may appreciate them.  I'll cover shipping, too.
>>> [image: IMG_3748.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_3749.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Tires, was making Clem a Gravel Bike

[Patrick Moore]

I had the same experience after installing 559 X 28 Elk Passes (175 digital
grams) to replace 571 X 23 Michelin Pro Races (different rims of course).
The PRs were better than the light version of the Conti Grands Prix that I
used previously, but the Elk Passes felt as if I were riding on a "good
day" instead of a tired day; and that feeling remains after 8 years. (I
shod the 2020 Matthews with the EPs and it felt fast! Then I replaced the
EPs with the 42 mm Naches Pass ELs; these feel darned good, but the bike no
longer has the feel of "accelerate!" that it did before (and the handling
also loses some "crispness).

Ditto when replacing the 50 mm F Freds -- which felt fast when I rode them
-- with the lightest 60 mm Big Ones: again, consistently over time and
repeated conditions I pedaled in a gear 1 tooth higher.

Tho', odd: My Herse had some mediocre tires; IIRC 32 mm Pasela wire beads;
and I'd bought the bike cheap because the previous 2 owners thought the
tubing too thick and unreponsive. But the fit felt "perfect" from the first
ride, and with that bike too I routinely rode 1 tooth smaller in back. Odd.



On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 1:47 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>
> I attached here a section from Riv's website
>  about tire ride
> quality fyi.
>
> That section is from Soma, not Riv, and it says, "There is a pervasive
> myth that thin, "supple" tire sidewalls are essential to a smooth and cushy
> ride. That is misleading at best, bullshit at worst."  (I could be wrong,
> but I don't think Grant has ever sworn like that in anything he's
> published, btw.)
>
> Soma is doing the misleading here. I've never heard or seen anyone claim
> that supple tires are "essential to a smooth and cushy ride." The claims I
> am aware of are 1) they are faster, and 2) they are more comfortable, all
> else equal. Claim 1 is fully backed by science. Claim 2 is simply a matter
> of opinion, and lots of people I know hold that opinion based on thousands
> of miles of experience.
>
> The first tires I put on my ProtoveloBleriot were Rivendell's Fatty
> Rumpkin tires. I rode those lots of places, over lots of surfaces, lots of
> miles, and all the time I thought, "this bike is okay, nothing special."
> Then, before riding that bike 600km to my 25th college reunion, I put
> Pacenti PariMotos on it. As I said in my previous post, I audibly gasped as
> I coasted down my driveway the first time. The bike accelerated like a
> rocket pack had been attached to it. The tires utterly transformed the bike
> into one that I happily rode many more miles. You can look up Compass/Rene
> Herse tire testing results to see their measurements of rolling resistance
> and how miserably off the back the Fatty Rumpkins are. It was very
> interesting for me to read their test report, having binned the tires a few
> years earlier.
>
> Look, as I also said previously, we have an embarrassment of riches in
> bike tires today. In my experience, which I think is pretty extensive, the
> three things that most transform a bike (assuming you've found your happy
> saddle) are new tires, a new chain, and new handlebar tape. In the grand
> scheme of cycling expenses, trying a new set of tires each year is, IMO,
> money well spent for max enjoyment. I highly encourage people to experiment
> and find what works for them.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Tires, was making Clem a Gravel Bike

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:47:30 PM UTC-5 I wrote:

That section is from Soma, not Riv, and it says, "There is a pervasive myth 
that thin, "supple" tire sidewalls are essential to a smooth and cushy 
ride. That is misleading at best, bullshit at worst."  (I could be wrong, 
but I don't think Grant has ever sworn like that in anything he's 
published, btw.)

Hmmm, after further research I think that's directly from RBW, not them 
quoting Soma. Sorry about that. And, disappointed that RBW/Grant feel the 
need to be so edgy about the topic. Soma also sells the Supple Vitesse, 
about which they say, "Its superlight casing not only reduces rotational 
weight, but also reduces its rolling resistance and does an amazing job at 
smoothing out the road."

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA 

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[RBW] Tires, was making Clem a Gravel Bike

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:


I attached here a section from Riv's website 
 about tire ride 
quality fyi.

That section is from Soma, not Riv, and it says, "There is a pervasive myth 
that thin, "supple" tire sidewalls are essential to a smooth and cushy 
ride. That is misleading at best, bullshit at worst."  (I could be wrong, 
but I don't think Grant has ever sworn like that in anything he's 
published, btw.)

Soma is doing the misleading here. I've never heard or seen anyone claim 
that supple tires are "essential to a smooth and cushy ride." The claims I 
am aware of are 1) they are faster, and 2) they are more comfortable, all 
else equal. Claim 1 is fully backed by science. Claim 2 is simply a matter 
of opinion, and lots of people I know hold that opinion based on thousands 
of miles of experience.

The first tires I put on my ProtoveloBleriot were Rivendell's Fatty Rumpkin 
tires. I rode those lots of places, over lots of surfaces, lots of miles, 
and all the time I thought, "this bike is okay, nothing special." Then, 
before riding that bike 600km to my 25th college reunion, I put Pacenti 
PariMotos on it. As I said in my previous post, I audibly gasped as I 
coasted down my driveway the first time. The bike accelerated like a rocket 
pack had been attached to it. The tires utterly transformed the bike into 
one that I happily rode many more miles. You can look up Compass/Rene Herse 
tire testing results to see their measurements of rolling resistance and 
how miserably off the back the Fatty Rumpkins are. It was very interesting 
for me to read their test report, having binned the tires a few years 
earlier.

Look, as I also said previously, we have an embarrassment of riches in bike 
tires today. In my experience, which I think is pretty extensive, the three 
things that most transform a bike (assuming you've found your happy saddle) 
are new tires, a new chain, and new handlebar tape. In the grand scheme of 
cycling expenses, trying a new set of tires each year is, IMO, money well 
spent for max enjoyment. I highly encourage people to experiment and find 
what works for them.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Free: Riv head badges

[Danny]

Thanks Matti! I've got an Atlantis missing the headbadge so this was my
lucky day.

If any Heron owners out there are missing the headbadge, let me know and
I'll pay Matti's kindness forward.

-Danny

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 2:41 PM Matti  wrote:

> Danny in Wisconsin is the lucky winner!
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 12:33:27 PM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>
>> I have two Rivendell headbadges, one Atlantis and one Heron, purchased at
>> a swap meet a few years ago.  I kept them as reminders of my bike
>> aspirations, and now that I have a new Sam Hillborne, I offer them to
>> someone else who may appreciate them.  I'll cover shipping, too.
>> [image: IMG_3748.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_3749.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Free: Riv head badges

[Matti]

Danny in Wisconsin is the lucky winner!

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 12:33:27 PM UTC-7 Matti wrote:

> I have two Rivendell headbadges, one Atlantis and one Heron, purchased at 
> a swap meet a few years ago.  I kept them as reminders of my bike 
> aspirations, and now that I have a new Sam Hillborne, I offer them to 
> someone else who may appreciate them.  I'll cover shipping, too.
> [image: IMG_3748.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_3749.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] FS: Sackville Trunksacks, Olive & Khaki

[Patrick Moore]

It was in my mailbox today and looks very good; thanks.

Patrick

On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 6:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Jacob: Good evening. Any news on shpping the kakhi rack trunk?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:32 PM Jacob Kersey 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello RBW bunchers,
>>
>> Found a pair of forgotten small Rivendell/Sackville Trunksacks in the
>> back of my closet, can't see myself using these much in the future after
>> switching up my rack setup, so hoping they'll find a new home where they'll
>> get a bit more action than they saw under my watch.
>>
>> How about $60 shipped for each bag (CONUSA via Pirateship), or $110
>> shipped if you want the pair? They're in excellent barely-used condition,
>> see photos here:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qyKDSDDpbh6hRgUS7
>>
>> PayPal F&F preferred, please message me directly with any questions or
>> interest.
>>
>> Thanks folks
>>
>> -Jacob in Oakland
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

The humidity can be brutal here in Virginia. This spring has been a gift 
with pleasant temperatures, cool mornings, breezes and low humidity lasting 
longer than normal. 

It was warm and a bit humid on Saturday. The temperature inside the tunnel 
felt like it was 30º cooler! No kidding. 

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 10:01:09 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is the kind of "wetland" off-pavement countryside that I envy, 
> notably firm dirt or gravel and green on each side. OTOH, I don't envy the 
> humidity. But oh, to have miles of *firm* dirt to ride on with 42s or 
> 44s! I use "wetland" rather hyperbolically.
>
> The arch photo (and others too) is also very pleasant.
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 7:34:55 AM UTC-4 John G wrote:
> > I have nothing to add to the discalced commentary, but I've been riding 
> the Quickbeam a lot this spring while building up a different bike. 
>
> [image: 52937460714_28bc36c4b4_c.jpg] 
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[RBW] Re: FS- Mermaid Platypus, 60cm

[Tom Palmer]

Bike is available again.
Tom

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 1:53:08 PM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Sold pending payment.
> Tom
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:42:54 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Almost new save a couple of small paint chips. Fit me at 84.5 PBH but 
>> that is the bottom of the range per Rivendell. Albatross bars, Technomic 
>> stem, nice PDW lock on grips with 10 speed bar end shifter in friction mode 
>> and shifts very well with new chain and Deore derailler. Nice Thompson 
>> seatpost, shiny VO crankset 46/30 with no front derailler- I stick shifted 
>> the 1 time I needed the 30- ran in 46 most of the time. Schwalbe G-ones 
>> 700x50cm. Wheels are unbranded fairly wide silver hubs and rims and have a 
>> freewheel- 8 speed is on now, but up to 10 speed available online. Brakes 
>> are shiny Tektro V brakes and avid levers. Seat and pedals are just place 
>> holders for your preferred ones. The bike rides very well on pavement and 
>> dirt. I ride dirt almost always now and even with fenders, this pretty girl 
>> was getting too dirty for me. I never though I would have bike that is too 
>> precious, but I do. $2100 plus actual shipping with insurance. I will box 
>> and ship, but work and home is very busy- it may take several days to get 
>> it ready to ship. I have shipped many bikes over the years and have access 
>> to excellent packing materials so she will get to the new owner in good 
>> stead. Also on Riv Buy Sell group with more pictures or text me for more- 
>> 231-2 zero 6 five 3 zero 3 
>>
>> Tom Palmer 
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS- Mermaid Platypus, 60cm

[Tom Palmer]

Sold pending payment.
Tom

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:42:54 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Almost new save a couple of small paint chips. Fit me at 84.5 PBH but that 
> is the bottom of the range per Rivendell. Albatross bars, Technomic stem, 
> nice PDW lock on grips with 10 speed bar end shifter in friction mode and 
> shifts very well with new chain and Deore derailler. Nice Thompson 
> seatpost, shiny VO crankset 46/30 with no front derailler- I stick shifted 
> the 1 time I needed the 30- ran in 46 most of the time. Schwalbe G-ones 
> 700x50cm. Wheels are unbranded fairly wide silver hubs and rims and have a 
> freewheel- 8 speed is on now, but up to 10 speed available online. Brakes 
> are shiny Tektro V brakes and avid levers. Seat and pedals are just place 
> holders for your preferred ones. The bike rides very well on pavement and 
> dirt. I ride dirt almost always now and even with fenders, this pretty girl 
> was getting too dirty for me. I never though I would have bike that is too 
> precious, but I do. $2100 plus actual shipping with insurance. I will box 
> and ship, but work and home is very busy- it may take several days to get 
> it ready to ship. I have shipped many bikes over the years and have access 
> to excellent packing materials so she will get to the new owner in good 
> stead. Also on Riv Buy Sell group with more pictures or text me for more- 
> 231-2 zero 6 five 3 zero 3 
>
> Tom Palmer 
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Steve]

Words of Wisdom:
 "...don't overthink it too much. Just start riding and call it good!"

Well said Josiah!

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 1:16:28 PM UTC-4 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> As a counterpoint to Jim and Brendon, I think supple tires are well worth 
> the money (and that's coming from a usually-broke college student), and you 
> do NOT need super heavy duty tires for gravel roads. I've run René Herse 
> tires for years and years, and Grand Bois before that, which were very 
> similar. I have almost always worn out the tread before they die of 
> sidewall cuts, and back when I logged mileage it would take 5-6k miles to 
> wear out a Babyshoe Pass Extralight (42-584).
>
> Despite the quoted claim from the Riv website, there is a very significant 
> difference in ride quality and speed between René Herse tires and heavier 
> belted ones. If you are running the heavier tires at high enough pressure 
> that it doesn't feel like you're riding through molasses (which is because 
> of the friction losses in the thick tire flexing), then they will be a 
> harsher ride. More supple tires don't lose speed at lower pressures, 
> because it takes almost no energy to flex the casing, so they are both more 
> comfortable and faster. 
>
> My tire recommendation would be to run whatever tires you have until they 
> wear out, and then get the widest René Herse tires that will fit your Clem. 
> Yes they are very expensive, but if you can afford them it's absolutely 
> worth trying them at least once. I don't think they're essential for 
> "gravel" riding, although they're certainly very nice. I'm mostly writing 
> this to say that you don't need to go out and buy super heavy duty 
> mainstream "gravel" or "touring" tires.
>
> I hope the gravel riding goes well! It's something I've enjoyed for a long 
> time, and to echo others' comments, don't overthink it too much. Just start 
> riding and call it good!
>
> Josiah Anderson
> usually in Missoula, MT
>
> Le lun. 5 juin 2023 à 09:38, J J  a écrit :
>
>> Leah, I believe that unless you anticipate doing a ton of competitive 
>> riding in super wet and super muddy conditions, your tire choice doesn't 
>> matter too much. 
>>
>> It's impossible to objectively assess real or perceived benefits of one 
>> tire over another, or one manufacturer over another, in real-world 
>> conditions. There are too many other variables. 
>>
>> Our subjective impressions are important, but preferences, comfort level, 
>> and riding style are very personal. You should take my suggestions about 
>> what works for me with a grain of salt. 
>>
>> Also, "gravel" means different things in different contexts.
>>
>> My take: 
>>
>>- If you intend to ride *frequently and aggressively* in super muddy 
>>and wet conditions, get big aggressive knobbies. The specific tire or 
>>manufacturer does not matter all that much, other than price and 
>>appearances, both of which can vary tremendously. 
>>- If the riding will be *mostly dry gravel* and on pavement, get 
>>tires with smaller, less aggressive knobs, or simply stick with wide 
>>"touring" tires, or whatever you might already have handy. 
>>- For the most comfort, get the biggest tires you can fit.
>>
>> I ride slicks or touring tires on gravel all the time. When I've 
>> occasionally encountered muddy segments, I very cautiously ride through. If 
>> the tires spin or slide, or if it looks or starts to feel too sketchy, I 
>> dismount, walk, and push the bike through. No biggie. 
>>
>> I have SKS plastic fenders (with quick releases that have saved my butt) 
>> on all my bikes. I haven't noticed any excessive clanking. I figure it's 
>> better for rocks to hit my fenders than it is for them to slam into my 
>> frames, anyway.
>>
>> As Brendon mentioned, Panaracer manufactures tires for multiple brands. For 
>> a given category of tire, the various treads, compounds, and casing 
>> structures are similar no matter the brand.
>>
>> Branding and marketing are powerful, though, as Grant/Rivendell has been 
>> inculcating forever. Every company claims their tires are the best for this 
>> or that purpose and will give you a competitive edge. I'm skeptical about 
>> such claims *for most riding*. (Tires for extreme situations or 
>> competitive riding or racing are another matter.) 
>>
>> I attached here a section from Riv's website 
>>  about tire ride 
>> quality fyi.
>>
>> I ran tires from various boutique brands (as Brendon called them) for a 
>> couple of years. I'm done with that expensive, longterm experiment. Too 
>> many sidewall cuts, blowouts, and problems. I'm back to trusty, robust 
>> Schwalbe Marathons. Incidentally, these days Schwalbe is producing some 
>> great looking "transparent skin" (tan) tires with reflective strips across 
>> their numerous lines.
>>
>> Finally, I ride with tubes. I like to minimize hassles and keep things 
>> simple wherever I

[RBW] CyclingSavvy presentation June 23

[Pam Bikes]

I'll be presenting the 3 hr classroom Truths and Techniques from 4-7 on 
Zoom.  I promise it's not a waste of time, you'll learn some stuff, and 
it'll go by fast!  

If you are just curious, let me know and I can send you the link and you 
can see if you like it.

https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/truth-and-techniques-zoom-virtual-classroom-june-23/


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54ish Bleriot in Massachusetts

[J S]

More info on Bleriot sizing

https://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/bleriotgeometry.pdf


On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:20 AM J S  wrote:

> Here is a 51cm
>
> https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/rivendell-bleriot-51cm-lugged-chromoly-frame-and-fork
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:18 AM J S  wrote:
>
>> Just read the rest of your comment Johnny. I cannot see the picture as I
>> am not on Social Media. If you owned a 53 then you would have a good feel
>> for the size. I don’t remember fully but I think 51cm was the smallest the
>> Bleriot came in but they may have offered a 49. Is there a pump peg in the
>> photo? I think the 53 would have had one, not sure about the 51.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:08 AM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny, the Bleriot came in 53 & 55cm. They are not sized like current
>>> Rivendells. A 55cm would be like todays 51.5 or 52cm bike.  THE 54 Saluki
>>> would be like a 51cm Hillborne by todays sizing.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 10:52:19 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I think their measurements are off. That looks to be a 51cm frame. Its
 for sure not a 55cm and I used to own a 53 and that looks a touch smaller.

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[RBW] Re: FS- Mermaid Platypus, 60cm

[Tom Palmer]

I am not right now.  Already have interest in complete.
Tom

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:31:31 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Let  me know if you would be interested in selling just the F/F/HS/BB/seat 
> post. 
>
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:42:54 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Almost new save a couple of small paint chips. Fit me at 84.5 PBH but 
>> that is the bottom of the range per Rivendell. Albatross bars, Technomic 
>> stem, nice PDW lock on grips with 10 speed bar end shifter in friction mode 
>> and shifts very well with new chain and Deore derailler. Nice Thompson 
>> seatpost, shiny VO crankset 46/30 with no front derailler- I stick shifted 
>> the 1 time I needed the 30- ran in 46 most of the time. Schwalbe G-ones 
>> 700x50cm. Wheels are unbranded fairly wide silver hubs and rims and have a 
>> freewheel- 8 speed is on now, but up to 10 speed available online. Brakes 
>> are shiny Tektro V brakes and avid levers. Seat and pedals are just place 
>> holders for your preferred ones. The bike rides very well on pavement and 
>> dirt. I ride dirt almost always now and even with fenders, this pretty girl 
>> was getting too dirty for me. I never though I would have bike that is too 
>> precious, but I do. $2100 plus actual shipping with insurance. I will box 
>> and ship, but work and home is very busy- it may take several days to get 
>> it ready to ship. I have shipped many bikes over the years and have access 
>> to excellent packing materials so she will get to the new owner in good 
>> stead. Also on Riv Buy Sell group with more pictures or text me for more- 
>> 231-2 zero 6 five 3 zero 3 
>>
>> Tom Palmer 
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54ish Bleriot in Massachusetts

[J S]

Here is a 51cm
https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/rivendell-bleriot-51cm-lugged-chromoly-frame-and-fork


On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:18 AM J S  wrote:

> Just read the rest of your comment Johnny. I cannot see the picture as I
> am not on Social Media. If you owned a 53 then you would have a good feel
> for the size. I don’t remember fully but I think 51cm was the smallest the
> Bleriot came in but they may have offered a 49. Is there a pump peg in the
> photo? I think the 53 would have had one, not sure about the 51.
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:08 AM J S  wrote:
>
>> Johnny, the Bleriot came in 53 & 55cm. They are not sized like current
>> Rivendells. A 55cm would be like todays 51.5 or 52cm bike.  THE 54 Saluki
>> would be like a 51cm Hillborne by todays sizing.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 10:52:19 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I think their measurements are off. That looks to be a 51cm frame. Its
>>> for sure not a 55cm and I used to own a 53 and that looks a touch smaller.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 9:22:13 PM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 54ish Bleriot in Massachusetts

[J S]

Just read the rest of your comment Johnny. I cannot see the picture as I am
not on Social Media. If you owned a 53 then you would have a good feel for
the size. I don’t remember fully but I think 51cm was the smallest the
Bleriot came in but they may have offered a 49. Is there a pump peg in the
photo? I think the 53 would have had one, not sure about the 51.

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:08 AM J S  wrote:

> Johnny, the Bleriot came in 53 & 55cm. They are not sized like current
> Rivendells. A 55cm would be like todays 51.5 or 52cm bike.  THE 54 Saluki
> would be like a 51cm Hillborne by todays sizing.
>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 10:52:19 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think their measurements are off. That looks to be a 51cm frame. Its
>> for sure not a 55cm and I used to own a 53 and that looks a touch smaller.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 9:22:13 PM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 54ish Bleriot in Massachusetts

[J S]

Johnny, the Bleriot came in 53 & 55cm. They are not sized like current 
Rivendells. A 55cm would be like todays 51.5 or 52cm bike.  THE 54 Saluki 
would be like a 51cm Hillborne by todays sizing. 

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 10:52:19 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think their measurements are off. That looks to be a 51cm frame. Its for 
> sure not a 55cm and I used to own a 53 and that looks a touch smaller.
>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 9:22:13 PM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/576857184479790/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS- Mermaid Platypus, 60cm

[DavidP]

Tom, sorry to see you are passing on the Platy but I can relate to the 
struggle of preciousness with this frame. Despite intentionally building 
mine to be at home on dirt I eventually added fenders, which knocked it 
down a notch on the rough stuff scale but definitely help keep things 
cleaner (and look great on this bike). Still it does well on all surfaces 
except rough trails - a case of being more capable than it looks.

At any rate this is a great deal on a fantastic bike; best with the sale.

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:42:54 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Almost new save a couple of small paint chips. Fit me at 84.5 PBH but that 
> is the bottom of the range per Rivendell. Albatross bars, Technomic stem, 
> nice PDW lock on grips with 10 speed bar end shifter in friction mode and 
> shifts very well with new chain and Deore derailler. Nice Thompson 
> seatpost, shiny VO crankset 46/30 with no front derailler- I stick shifted 
> the 1 time I needed the 30- ran in 46 most of the time. Schwalbe G-ones 
> 700x50cm. Wheels are unbranded fairly wide silver hubs and rims and have a 
> freewheel- 8 speed is on now, but up to 10 speed available online. Brakes 
> are shiny Tektro V brakes and avid levers. Seat and pedals are just place 
> holders for your preferred ones. The bike rides very well on pavement and 
> dirt. I ride dirt almost always now and even with fenders, this pretty girl 
> was getting too dirty for me. I never though I would have bike that is too 
> precious, but I do. $2100 plus actual shipping with insurance. I will box 
> and ship, but work and home is very busy- it may take several days to get 
> it ready to ship. I have shipped many bikes over the years and have access 
> to excellent packing materials so she will get to the new owner in good 
> stead. Also on Riv Buy Sell group with more pictures or text me for more- 
> 231-2 zero 6 five 3 zero 3 
>
> Tom Palmer 
> Twin Lake, MI
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[RBW] Re: FS- Mermaid Platypus, 60cm

[Justin Kennedy]

Let  me know if you would be interested in selling just the F/F/HS/BB/seat 
post. 

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:42:54 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Almost new save a couple of small paint chips. Fit me at 84.5 PBH but that 
> is the bottom of the range per Rivendell. Albatross bars, Technomic stem, 
> nice PDW lock on grips with 10 speed bar end shifter in friction mode and 
> shifts very well with new chain and Deore derailler. Nice Thompson 
> seatpost, shiny VO crankset 46/30 with no front derailler- I stick shifted 
> the 1 time I needed the 30- ran in 46 most of the time. Schwalbe G-ones 
> 700x50cm. Wheels are unbranded fairly wide silver hubs and rims and have a 
> freewheel- 8 speed is on now, but up to 10 speed available online. Brakes 
> are shiny Tektro V brakes and avid levers. Seat and pedals are just place 
> holders for your preferred ones. The bike rides very well on pavement and 
> dirt. I ride dirt almost always now and even with fenders, this pretty girl 
> was getting too dirty for me. I never though I would have bike that is too 
> precious, but I do. $2100 plus actual shipping with insurance. I will box 
> and ship, but work and home is very busy- it may take several days to get 
> it ready to ship. I have shipped many bikes over the years and have access 
> to excellent packing materials so she will get to the new owner in good 
> stead. Also on Riv Buy Sell group with more pictures or text me for more- 
> 231-2 zero 6 five 3 zero 3 
>
> Tom Palmer 
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Tom Palmer]

Hi Leah,
Just to pile on a little more- I agree on removing the racks and extra 
weight and getting the biggest tires that fit. Schwalbe Thunder Burts are 
my go to for dirt roads and they ride well on the road too. I already 
shared  with you privately that I think the Platypus is a tremendous dirt 
road bike if you can let it get dirty. 
The big tires will help you overcome the gravel/dirt anxiety if you still 
have it.
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI 
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:00:54 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> All I can add is take along a spare tube or preferably two so "if" a tube 
> goes wonky it's a relatively quick swap out of tubes. Fold up the former 
> tube, squeezing the air out of it, put it in your bag and fix it at home at 
> a leisurely pace. I buy rubber cement in the reusable cans sold at 
> WallyWorld and/or any auto parts store. The can have an applicator built-in 
> to the lid and the can lasts indefinitely given the lid is screwed back on. 
> I used to repair tubes in the field but after running into some patches 
> that had were stuck to the plastic, not to mention countless silly little 
> tubes of glue that dry out unless used relatively quickly, I decided to 
> just take 2 tubes with me and a patch kit as a last resort and run over a 
> mine field or something, which of course the tires would be last thing to 
> worry about ! I've never needed any of it though, as successful no-drama 
> riding is normal.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Garth]

All I can add is take along a spare tube or preferably two so "if" a tube 
goes wonky it's a relatively quick swap out of tubes. Fold up the former 
tube, squeezing the air out of it, put it in your bag and fix it at home at 
a leisurely pace. I buy rubber cement in the reusable cans sold at 
WallyWorld and/or any auto parts store. The can have an applicator built-in 
to the lid and the can lasts indefinitely given the lid is screwed back on. 
I used to repair tubes in the field but after running into some patches 
that had were stuck to the plastic, not to mention countless silly little 
tubes of glue that dry out unless used relatively quickly, I decided to 
just take 2 tubes with me and a patch kit as a last resort and run over a 
mine field or something, which of course the tires would be last thing to 
worry about ! I've never needed any of it though, as successful no-drama 
riding is normal.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[brendonoid]

Things have been covered in great detail really not much to add other than 
a +1 vote for Soma Cazaderos. Bit of a knob, solid centre line and rolls a 
bit nicer than gravelkings. All the boutique tyre brands are made by 
Panaracer anyway so let healthy scepticism lead your decision making.
Fenders keep the rocks off your paintwork but can lead to serious life 
changing accidents off-road if you don't have quick release stays.

CONTROVERSIAL TAKE: Unless you get a puncture every other ride tubeless is 
a scam.

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