[RBW] Modifying my Hillborne

[Andrew Wright]

Good morning folks!

I’ve recently been inspired by Eric Marth’s build videos on YouTube and 
want to change my Sam up a bit, mainly moving from road bars/bar end 
shifters to something like a Bosco or albatross with thumbies.  Problem is 
I’m not very familiar with changing parts out like brake levers, shifters 
etc.  Can anyone recommend some good resources to better understand this 
work, these parts and what’s compatible with what?  YouTube, books, 
whatever ya got. Truly appreciate any help y’all can give me.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis 54.5 (Waterford) in Exceptional Condition

[NR MR]

Hey there I am also in MA and am interested. What is your height? I was 
reading on Rivendell's size charts that they would actually put me on a 
55... but that is according to the new sizes. If this is an older model it 
might change, but what is the minimum pbh for this? Happy to go out and 
test ride it too!

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:59:11 PM UTC-4 ADH wrote:

> This is very painful. I purchased my Atlantis in 2008 directly from Grant 
> who specified components. It is in excellent condition. Some of the 
> components are Nitto Noodle, Dura Ace bar ends, Paul cantilevers, Honjo 
> hammered fenders, Schwalbe Marathons, Shimano XT derailleurs, 36 spoke 
> Mavic rims, Nitto rear rack. Bars are canvas tape with Bullseye shellac. 
>
> I have taken excellent care of my Atlantis. I'm gettin' old and got a new 
> hip a few years ago. I can't ride like I used to and I am reluctantly 
> switching to an ebike. 
>
> As far as blems go, the chain jumped once and nicked the chainstay and 
> bottom bracket. I covered the chainstay with hockey tape and shellacked it. 
> I touched up the nick in the bottom bracket with Testor 2135 (the bottle I 
> have comes with the bike). There is a tiny ding in one of the Honjos. 
>
> You can see the original build on my Flickr account which is ahurvitz. The 
> seat has mellowed and the bars have been re-wrapped, but the bike looks 
> great. 
>
> I haven't set a price yet or officially put it up for sale. I'm 
> considering Craigslist and eBay. But I thought I'd post this here first, 
> because I know you all care about RBW and I want it to go to a good home. 
> I'm not desperate to sell and (I think) I know what the bike is worth. If 
> anyone is interested, feel free to contact me. I live in the Boston area. 
> Pick-up would be great, but I'm also happy to ship. I'll take new pics as 
> well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Bicycle Quarterly Issues? Swap or sell?

[Nathan Barlow]

Hey all 


I am looking to buy some Bicycle Quarterly issues from the last 2 years. 

I have some older issues that I could swap if people are interested :)

Thanks in advance for helping me get some nice summer reading

Would need shipped t0 01746

Best
Nathan 

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Re: [RBW] Plush old 531 steel frames (was being precious)

[Andrew Scherer]

I hear variants of "plush" used when folks discuss steel and particularly 
531 but I'm not sure what to make of it. I have 6 bikes with 531 frames and 
I ride them all: 1970 Raleigh Pro Mk I, a Falcon San Remo of undetermined 
age but likely 1969-1971, a 1971 Raleigh International, a 1972 PX-10, a 
1972 Paramount, and a 1987 531c Mercian Professional. Sizes are 62-63cm for 
reference, and most of them run Compass or similar Panaracer tires. Each 
has different characteristics related to how the bike responds to steering 
effort delivered at the front end or through shifting weight/center of 
gravity, and a general sense of what I'll call rigidity. Perhaps it's 
because they're all the same base material, but I wonder if geometry, 
wheelbase, and tires makes more of a difference than materials. They all 
feel "comfortable" but the range is significant. The PX10 and the Falcon 
have a strong self-centering steering feel and the PX10 requires more 
effort to change direction. I'd say "steady and predictable". At the other 
end of the spectrum the Mercian has criterium geometry and feels very 
light, the steering is super responsive and at the same time the whole bike 
feels more solid/rigid than the others. I didn't like riding it on 
rough/urban roads until I changed the tires from 23c Michelin Pros to 28c 
(that barely fit) Soma Supple VItesse. The Raleigh Pro and International 
fall somewhere towards the PX10 to different degrees, and the Paramount 
seems to be smack in the middle. FWIW I've had the Mercian since it was new 
and if I could only keep one, that would be it. 

Anecdotally, the International was the first of the above I added to the 
fleet some 7 years ago after a friend convinced me to buy the frame. I 
built it to more or less the catalog spec and took a first ride with him. 
As we came up to a small pothole on a descent I used my Mercian reflexes to 
shift the bike around it and ended up sailing right through it...not enough 
"oomph" for that setup!

Andy
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:08:22 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> How about a plush NEW 531 frame - my Pashley Guv'nor 3 speed (shifter 
> mounted on seatpost). I need to measure the frame angles on this. I have 
> switched to a Sturmey Archer Dyno-Hub w/90mm drum brake from the standard 
> front 70mm drum brake since this picture was taken.
>
> [image: IMG_1535s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 7:27:38 AM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This thread makes me appreciate my vintage 531 bike all the more.  It's a 
>> Raleigh Lenton Gran Prix from the 60s.  Shod with Barlow Pass, it truly 
>> floats over everything.  Set up as a simple 3-speed path racer, it reduces 
>> the riding experience to simple moving along.  I've been thinking about 
>> having a low-rider single-sided rack made to fit the lamp bracket and 
>> fender boss but have not gotten around to it.
>>
>> [image: 20230131_155539 (1).jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 7:39:33 PM UTC-4 mr.wa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick was correct on the bracket on the fork of the Jack Taylor. That 
>>> was the bracket for the headlamp. The fitting on the top of the stem is an 
>>> integral center-pull brake cable hanger and adjuster. I had it set up with 
>>> some long reach Mafac brakes and it worked beautifully. Here's a close-up. 
>>> The rear brake hanger was nicely done as well.
>>>
>>> [image: DSCF9308.jpeg][image: DSCF9310.jpeg]
>>> [image: DSCF9311.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 3:57:49 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 [image: P1011691.JPG]




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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[kw]

https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-atlantis-53cm/7635482928.html

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:38:33 PM UTC-4 jad...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7633643955.html
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>
>> Valerie,
>>
>> The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It would have 
>> come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was it a 
>>> conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>

 Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F&R). This looks like a 
 fantastic deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it. 

 https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
 On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H 
> came in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
> Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, 
> regarding 
> my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking 
> about 
> selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and are 
> considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. I 
> should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
> shouldn’t….)
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. H
>> 64cm
>> 2200
>> Pleasanton, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Brian Turner]

The posters will be 16” x 20”, signed and numbered. I’m actually hand printing them this weekend. For those who cannot make the trip to Asheville, afterwards I’ll be putting any remaining posters up online with an Etsy link to purchase.- BrianOn Jun 28, 2023, at 8:58 PM, EverRed  wrote:What are the dimensions of the poster?Many thanksJohnOn Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:23:18 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:Sorry to miss you next weekend Dick, but I'll let Brian know you'd like to be on the list for one of his posters (which are so great!).If anyone else is interested in a poster (see details in my last post) pls let me know asap so I can give Brian a heads up on how many to print.GaryOn Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:30:43 PM UTC-4 Dick Pahle wrote:I can't make the ride that wkend but I'd sure like one of those posters (nicely done, Brian!!). DickBrevard, NCOn Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:Hi from Asheville!Looks like we're going to have a fun turnout for our Riv get together July 7-9. We are going to be finalizing plans next week and will get the details out to everyone, but until then here is an awesome poster that one of our participants, Brian Turner came up with (Thank you Brian!!!). He runs a graphic design and printing company and is offering to print up posters for anyone coming to the gathering who may want one. He estimates that they will cost about $20-25 and if you're interested please let me know asap so I can let him know.Also, if anyone wants more info about the weekend now that you've been tempted by Brian's amazing work, please contact me.On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:52:25 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:Gary, did you say there's an extra 55cm Cheviot lying around here in Asheville? I could maybe help with that . . . On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:19:20 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:Leah,What a great offer - it would be an honor to have a video made by you!  But better yet, why don’t you come join us? I know of an extra 55cm Cheviot lying around here in Asheville :)GaryOn Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Dick, sorry you won't be able to make it that weekend. "40 mm Little Big Ben's...Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on that bike?" Absolutely!!!    Come on up from Brevard and give it a go!On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:03 PM Dick Pahle  wrote:I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to joining in. Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for sure I can't make it. Ratz!!I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on roads and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on that bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a regular basis some other time, if ok to join ya.Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss Pam,  a good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte. DickOn Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:Hi,There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in a meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for whatever month seems to work for most everyone.Gary



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[EverRed]

What are the dimensions of the poster?

Many thanks
John

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:23:18 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Sorry to miss you next weekend Dick, but I'll let Brian know you'd like to 
> be on the list for one of his posters (which are so great!).
>
> If anyone else is interested in a poster (see details in my last post) pls 
> let me know asap so I can give Brian a heads up on how many to print.
> Gary
>
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:30:43 PM UTC-4 Dick Pahle wrote:
>
>> I can't make the ride that wkend but I'd sure like one of those posters 
>> (nicely done, Brian!!). 
>>
>> Dick
>> Brevard, NC
>>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi from Asheville!
>>>
>>> Looks like we're going to have a fun turnout for our Riv get together 
>>> July 7-9. We are going to be finalizing plans next week and will get the 
>>> details out to everyone, but until then here is an awesome poster that one 
>>> of our participants, Brian Turner came up with (Thank you Brian!!!). He 
>>> runs a graphic design and printing company and is offering to print up 
>>> posters for anyone coming to the gathering who may want one. He estimates 
>>> that they will cost about $20-25 and if you're interested please let me 
>>> know asap so I can let him know.
>>>
>>> Also, if anyone wants more info about the weekend now that you've been 
>>> tempted by Brian's amazing work, please contact me.
>>> [image: Unknown-1.jpeg]
>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:52:25 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
>>>
 Gary, did you say there's an extra 55cm Cheviot lying around here in 
 Asheville? I could maybe help with that . . . 

 On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:19:20 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Leah,
>
> What a great offer - it would be an honor to have a video made by you! 
>  But better yet, why don’t you come join us? I know of an extra 55cm 
> Cheviot lying around here in Asheville :)
>
> Gary
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dick, sorry you won't be able to make it that weekend. 
>>
>> "40 mm Little Big Ben's...Could I do those Bent Creek area forest 
>> roads on that bike?" 
>>
>> Absolutely!!!Come on up from Brevard and give it a go!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:03 PM Dick Pahle  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to 
>>> joining in. Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for 
>>> sure I 
>>> can't make it. Ratz!!
>>>
>>> I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on 
>>> roads and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads 
>>> on 
>>> that bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a 
>>> regular basis some other time, if ok to join ya.
>>>
>>> Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss 
>>> Pam,  a good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a 
 May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest 
 in a 
 meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
 there's 
 enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
 for 
 whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
 Gary

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

Love that!! And your adorable dog clearly does too. I used to think that's 
where we were headed. With his recent vestibular issues, I don't think my 
dog would appreciate it. It is like having vertigo. He has regained enough 
balance to enjoy our neighborhood walks but a quick shake of his head and 
he can fall right over. He's even become anxious in the car -- which never 
used to be an issue. I do think my younger, smaller dog would enjoy that 
someday (that I cannot begin to think about).  

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-6 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> You could always bring him… (see attached video)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 5:10 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> One more thing occurred to me. I've been spending huge amounts of time in 
>> my back patio with my sweet old dog, who is now 14, very arthritic, and 
>> just had a bout of vestibular disease. Because I want to hang with him, I 
>> haven't had as much time for riding. Instead, this has been an ideal time 
>> to evaluate my assorted bikes and think about which ones I am most looking 
>> forward to riding in the future. Has been clarifying. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 1:34:15 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Good questions!
>>>
>>> I really love riding different bikes and I have accumulated some great 
>>> ones over the past 10+ years. Before then, I had only 2 at a time, selling 
>>> one when I wanted something else. Then, I got a garage and discovered 
>>> Rivendell. Now, I have a beautiful set of awesome bikes that have been so 
>>> much fun to ride but I don't need to keep them all. I wanted to make room 
>>> for newer styles that interest me. Although it is harder to sell bikes that 
>>> I love, I do get a kick out of a buyer's enthusiasm.  I spent some amount 
>>> of time thinking about the price. I suppose I could have started out 
>>> higher. But I like a fast sale and for a buyer to feel it was a good price. 
>>>
>>> More specifically, I am always looking for a bike that can climb up 
>>> rugged dirt roads and also feel safe descending steep roads. Lately, I've 
>>> been enjoying the more upright, longer wheel-base, cushier styles. I bought 
>>> one of the Gus demo bikes from Riv and that bike was an eye-opener. It is 
>>> crazy fun to ride. Great climbing despite its heft. And just a blast 
>>> descending. Although I have no plans to sell it, I've been thinking that I 
>>> don't always need a bike as burly as the Gus but I really don't need a bike 
>>> as light and racy as the Legolas. Its particular appeal is wasted on me. I 
>>> am more of a turtle than a hare. With the Gus, I no longer preferred the 
>>> Clem (which I recently sold). And now a Susie just turned up locally and so 
>>> I decided to sell the Legolas to make room for her. 
>>>
>>> I am also planning to sell an old style Atlantis. That bike has been 
>>> super-fun as well.  Still thinking on that one but I think the Susie will 
>>> takes its place. 
>>>
>>> I have a Roadeo and compared to the Legolas, I'd say the Roadeo has 
>>> smoother and more elegant handling. It is a joy. For me, it is the perfect 
>>> road bike for paved rides.  Roadeo is more stable. Legolas more nimble and 
>>> tending towards twitchy. That could be because of the short stem I had on 
>>> it. The Roadeo feels more like a Soma San Marcos -- another really fine 
>>> road bike -- than the Legolas. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:26:59 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I'll say! That was a damned good price for a Legolas!

 Questions:

 1. Valerie, why did you sell this unobtanium of the Rivendell line of 
 bicycles?

 2. Those who have ridden the Legolas and the Ram, the Roadeo, or the 
 Roadini: How does the Legolas feel in ease of maintaining speed, 
 acceleration, and both nimbleness and stability of handling, with 
 more-or-less similar builds?



 On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Valerie Yates  
 wrote:

> SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
> frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, 
>> Chris King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested 
>> likely 
>> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
>> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
>> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
>> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
>> .
>>
>> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH 
>> and I used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 
>> 110 stem on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown i

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[John Rinker]

Takashi,

Your beautiful photos always make me miss Japan. Keep 'em coming!

Cheers, John

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:26:48 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:

> Visited the town of Hida Furukawa last weekend.
>
> A majestic *sanmon* (main gate of a Buddhist temple):
> [image: DSC03134.jpg]
>
> An alley:
> [image: DSC03128.jpg]
>
> A half-hour ride from the center of the town brought me to a steep land; I 
> assume reclamation was a hard work here.
> [image: DSC03123.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

One more thing occurred to me. I've been spending huge amounts of time in 
my back patio with my sweet old dog, who is now 14, very arthritic, and 
just had a bout of vestibular disease. Because I want to hang with him, I 
haven't had as much time for riding. Instead, this has been an ideal time 
to evaluate my assorted bikes and think about which ones I am most looking 
forward to riding in the future. Has been clarifying. 



On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 1:34:15 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Good questions!
>
> I really love riding different bikes and I have accumulated some great 
> ones over the past 10+ years. Before then, I had only 2 at a time, selling 
> one when I wanted something else. Then, I got a garage and discovered 
> Rivendell. Now, I have a beautiful set of awesome bikes that have been so 
> much fun to ride but I don't need to keep them all. I wanted to make room 
> for newer styles that interest me. Although it is harder to sell bikes that 
> I love, I do get a kick out of a buyer's enthusiasm.  I spent some amount 
> of time thinking about the price. I suppose I could have started out 
> higher. But I like a fast sale and for a buyer to feel it was a good price. 
>
> More specifically, I am always looking for a bike that can climb up rugged 
> dirt roads and also feel safe descending steep roads. Lately, I've been 
> enjoying the more upright, longer wheel-base, cushier styles. I bought one 
> of the Gus demo bikes from Riv and that bike was an eye-opener. It is crazy 
> fun to ride. Great climbing despite its heft. And just a blast descending. 
> Although I have no plans to sell it, I've been thinking that I don't always 
> need a bike as burly as the Gus but I really don't need a bike as light and 
> racy as the Legolas. Its particular appeal is wasted on me. I am more of a 
> turtle than a hare. With the Gus, I no longer preferred the Clem (which I 
> recently sold). And now a Susie just turned up locally and so I decided to 
> sell the Legolas to make room for her. 
>
> I am also planning to sell an old style Atlantis. That bike has been 
> super-fun as well.  Still thinking on that one but I think the Susie will 
> takes its place. 
>
> I have a Roadeo and compared to the Legolas, I'd say the Roadeo has 
> smoother and more elegant handling. It is a joy. For me, it is the perfect 
> road bike for paved rides.  Roadeo is more stable. Legolas more nimble and 
> tending towards twitchy. That could be because of the short stem I had on 
> it. The Roadeo feels more like a Soma San Marcos -- another really fine 
> road bike -- than the Legolas. 
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:26:59 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'll say! That was a damned good price for a Legolas!
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1. Valerie, why did you sell this unobtanium of the Rivendell line of 
>> bicycles?
>>
>> 2. Those who have ridden the Legolas and the Ram, the Roadeo, or the 
>> Roadini: How does the Legolas feel in ease of maintaining speed, 
>> acceleration, and both nimbleness and stability of handling, with 
>> more-or-less similar builds?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
>>> frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
 I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
 King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
 already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
 super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
 custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
 The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
 .

 Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH 
 and I used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 
 110 stem on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 
 700c wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.

 It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on 
 the seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is 
 an issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
 apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, 
 this 
 is not the frame for you.

 Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
 moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
 and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
 will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
 shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.

 Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>

[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross (steel)

[jaredwilson]

Sage advice, Garth! $68 indeed.

Ben's is usually a go-to for me, not sure why I didn't think of them this 
time 'round. 3 left in stock incase anyone else is interested.

Case closed,

Jared



On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 2:35:58 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Ben's Cycle in Milwaukee has the the steel version and shipping is 
> included, I think they were like $68. It's a good Nitto resource for some 
> hard to find Nitto parts also. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Nick Payne]

When I was a young racing cyclist in Western Australia some 50-plus years 
ago, it was still a legal requirement for a bicycle to have a bell. This 
was more honoured in the breach than the observance, and I never saw or 
heard of a recreational cyclist being pulled over because they lacked a 
bell, but you could be excluded from the start line of a race by a 
bloody-minded commissaire if you didn't have one, so we would buy cheap 
aluminium bells, drill them out like Swiss cheese, this being the age of 
drillium, and fasten them under the saddle.

Western Australia had also previously had the requirement for bicycle 
number plates, and although that was no longer the case when I arrived 
there in 1963, you still saw quite a number of bicycles being ridden around 
with number plates still attached: 
https://historical.cc/news/2017/5/12/wa-bicycle-number-plates.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross (steel)

[Garth]

Ben's Cycle in Milwaukee has the the steel version and shipping is 
included, I think they were like $68. It's a good Nitto resource for some 
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Re: [RBW] Two wheelsets - Phil track, Son / Ultegra touring

[Will Boericke]

So old-fashioned!  White works anytime these days :)

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:57 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Obviously, those tires need to be used before Labor Day.
>
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> On Jun 28, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>
> Apologies for iBob crosspost, but need a home for these
>
> I have two wheelsets that need homes. Both have been hanging inside for a
> while, neither has seen much use (Phil front wheel has never seen a brake).
>
> 1: Phil Wood to Mavic Open Pro 32 spokes. Bonus white Paselas in 25, if
> that's your thing. 19t fixed cog and Phil lockring to boot. $500 shipped
>
> 2. Son front / Ultegra 6700 rear to Open Sports. 36 spokes. 8spd cassette
> from the era where they'd put a bonus big bailout cog in last place. A
> beefy wheelset; has seen more use but still not much. Again, been hanging
> for probably a decade. Schwalbe Delta Cruisers, again in white for style
> points.
> $500 shipped
>
> More photos here
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Ryan]

Yikes...I meant Spurcycle. $59 USD. Not egregiously expensive.Neat little 
video from the company showing how they're made

https://www.spurcycle.com/products/better-bicycle-bell 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 2:29:26 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> You should do it, Laing, if for no reason other than helping to insure 
> these good folks stay in business 💥
>
> Jock
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape 
>> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, 
>>> smartly engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's 
>>> my story and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Two wheelsets - Phil track, Son / Ultegra touring

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Obviously, those tires need to be used before Labor Day.

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> On Jun 28, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
> 
> Apologies for iBob crosspost, but need a home for these
> 
> I have two wheelsets that need homes. Both have been hanging inside for a 
> while, neither has seen much use (Phil front wheel has never seen a brake).
> 
> 1: Phil Wood to Mavic Open Pro 32 spokes. Bonus white Paselas in 25, if 
> that's your thing. 19t fixed cog and Phil lockring to boot. $500 shipped
> 
> 2. Son front / Ultegra 6700 rear to Open Sports. 36 spokes. 8spd cassette 
> from the era where they'd put a bonus big bailout cog in last place. A beefy 
> wheelset; has seen more use but still not much. Again, been hanging for 
> probably a decade. Schwalbe Delta Cruisers, again in white for style points.
> $500 shipped
> 
> More photos here 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross (steel)

[Matti]

Soma Oxford is very similar in width and horizontal bends.  Oxford has a 
little more rise than the Albatross.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> Hey group,
>
> Decided to keep our Platys and make some amendments, so I'm on the hunt 
> for a pair of steel Albatross bars to try out. 
>
> I've run Billie bars on this bike in the past but I'm looking to get the 
> bars away from me a little, hence Albatross, plus I'm growing to be less a 
> fan of the aluminum (sleeved) variants of Nitto bars. Recommendations of a 
> similar bar would appreciated as well.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> Jared
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[RBW] Re: Bluelug NITTO FW30 power stem or similar

[Brent B]

https://the-inconvenience-store.com/collections/blue-lug/products/nitto-fw30-power-stem-dull?variant=45307626946877
  

For *$84* before tax and shipping.

BUT at Blue Lug FW30's final price at checkout is *$82.89 *($57.60 + $25.29 
shipping to Michigan). The very similar Rivendell Nitto TIG Faceplater is 
*$128* before shipping or taxes, and around *$147 *after. The MT-54S Johnny 
mentioned can be bought from Alex's Cycle in Japan for $82, plus also 
probably-very-expensive shipping. So unless shipping costs way more to 
where you're at, it seems like a better deal to buy from BL! 

As far as I can tell, anyone who imports Blue Lug stuff to the USA marks it 
up enough that it's only really sensible to buy small soft goods like the 
safety triangles from an importer to dodge the shipping cost, and that's 
only if you're buying one or two items. Nitto stuff especially seems to be 
at least a bit cheaper if you buy straight from Blue Lug. The only problem 
I have with buying from BL is that when I do, I keep adding more stuff to 
my order because they carry too many unique & amazing things.  :)

And I agree the Riv stems are way too tall unless you need extraordinarily 
high bars!

-Brent

On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 15:05:19 UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I bought one last year (I think) and there was no other source. They are 
> very similar to the Nitto MT-54S which also has to be purchased from 
> Japan but might come out a little cheaper? Rivendell has most of their 
> faceplatters in stock but I think they all fail at being way to tall. I 
> don't get having long headtubes, a stem with an upward angle, AND a long as 
> all get out stem to be used with bars that also have an uprise. I had 
> problems that I couldn't bury them enough to be useful. Hence why I went 
> with the MT-54S and the Blue Lug stem. I love both of them but the Blue Lug 
> is a touch better for options. How much does the blue lug one come out to 
> these days?
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:00:41 PM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Nitto FW30 by Bluelug looks like exactly what I need for a build. 
>> Does anyone know if this is stocked by anyone in the USA? The shipping cost 
>> from Japan for this one item essentially doubles the price of the stem.
>>
>> Russell Duncan
>> Leverett, MA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[abraham nussbaum]

And, again, it's just a perfect little bell!

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 1:29:26 PM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> You should do it, Laing, if for no reason other than helping to insure 
> these good folks stay in business 💥
>
> Jock
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape 
>> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, 
>>> smartly engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's 
>>> my story and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

Good questions!

I really love riding different bikes and I have accumulated some great ones 
over the past 10+ years. Before then, I had only 2 at a time, selling one 
when I wanted something else. Then, I got a garage and discovered 
Rivendell. Now, I have a beautiful set of awesome bikes that have been so 
much fun to ride but I don't need to keep them all. I wanted to make room 
for newer styles that interest me. Although it is harder to sell bikes that 
I love, I do get a kick out of a buyer's enthusiasm.  I spent some amount 
of time thinking about the price. I suppose I could have started out 
higher. But I like a fast sale and for a buyer to feel it was a good price. 

More specifically, I am always looking for a bike that can climb up rugged 
dirt roads and also feel safe descending steep roads. Lately, I've been 
enjoying the more upright, longer wheel-base, cushier styles. I bought one 
of the Gus demo bikes from Riv and that bike was an eye-opener. It is crazy 
fun to ride. Great climbing despite its heft. And just a blast descending. 
Although I have no plans to sell it, I've been thinking that I don't always 
need a bike as burly as the Gus but I really don't need a bike as light and 
racy as the Legolas. Its particular appeal is wasted on me. I am more of a 
turtle than a hare. With the Gus, I no longer preferred the Clem (which I 
recently sold). And now a Susie just turned up locally and so I decided to 
sell the Legolas to make room for her. 

I am also planning to sell an old style Atlantis. That bike has been 
super-fun as well.  Still thinking on that one but I think the Susie will 
takes its place. 

I have a Roadeo and compared to the Legolas, I'd say the Roadeo has 
smoother and more elegant handling. It is a joy. For me, it is the perfect 
road bike for paved rides.  Roadeo is more stable. Legolas more nimble and 
tending towards twitchy. That could be because of the short stem I had on 
it. The Roadeo feels more like a Soma San Marcos -- another really fine 
road bike -- than the Legolas. 

 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:26:59 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll say! That was a damned good price for a Legolas!
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Valerie, why did you sell this unobtanium of the Rivendell line of 
> bicycles?
>
> 2. Those who have ridden the Legolas and the Ram, the Roadeo, or the 
> Roadini: How does the Legolas feel in ease of maintaining speed, 
> acceleration, and both nimbleness and stability of handling, with 
> more-or-less similar builds?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
>> frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
>>> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
>>> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
>>> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
>>> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
>>> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and 
>>> I used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 
>>> stem on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
>>> wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>>>
>>> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
>>> seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an 
>>> issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
>>> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this 
>>> is not the frame for you.
>>>
>>> Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
>>> moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
>>> and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
>>> will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
>>> shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.
>>>
>>> Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Val in Boulder CO
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[John Dewey]

You should do it, Laing, if for no reason other than helping to insure
these good folks stay in business 💥

Jock

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:

> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape
> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly
>> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story
>> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry to miss you next weekend Dick, but I'll let Brian know you'd like to 
be on the list for one of his posters (which are so great!).

If anyone else is interested in a poster (see details in my last post) pls 
let me know asap so I can give Brian a heads up on how many to print.
Gary

On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:30:43 PM UTC-4 Dick Pahle wrote:

> I can't make the ride that wkend but I'd sure like one of those posters 
> (nicely done, Brian!!). 
>
> Dick
> Brevard, NC
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi from Asheville!
>>
>> Looks like we're going to have a fun turnout for our Riv get together 
>> July 7-9. We are going to be finalizing plans next week and will get the 
>> details out to everyone, but until then here is an awesome poster that one 
>> of our participants, Brian Turner came up with (Thank you Brian!!!). He 
>> runs a graphic design and printing company and is offering to print up 
>> posters for anyone coming to the gathering who may want one. He estimates 
>> that they will cost about $20-25 and if you're interested please let me 
>> know asap so I can let him know.
>>
>> Also, if anyone wants more info about the weekend now that you've been 
>> tempted by Brian's amazing work, please contact me.
>> [image: Unknown-1.jpeg]
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:52:25 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
>>
>>> Gary, did you say there's an extra 55cm Cheviot lying around here in 
>>> Asheville? I could maybe help with that . . . 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:19:20 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 What a great offer - it would be an honor to have a video made by you! 
  But better yet, why don’t you come join us? I know of an extra 55cm 
 Cheviot lying around here in Asheville :)

 Gary

 On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dick, sorry you won't be able to make it that weekend. 
>
> "40 mm Little Big Ben's...Could I do those Bent Creek area forest 
> roads on that bike?" 
>
> Absolutely!!!Come on up from Brevard and give it a go!
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:03 PM Dick Pahle  wrote:
>
>> I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to joining 
>> in. Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for sure I can't 
>> make it. Ratz!!
>>
>> I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on 
>> roads and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on 
>> that bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a 
>> regular basis some other time, if ok to join ya.
>>
>> Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss 
>> Pam,  a good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte. 
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a 
>>> May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest 
>>> in a 
>>> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
>>> there's 
>>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
>>> for 
>>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>>> Gary
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO 54 Roadini

[Brian Cunningham]

Ahmed Elgassir was recently unloading on (complete in Mermaid); not sure if 
it’s sold. Was posted earlier in the month.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 7:31:51 AM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I know there is a new batch on the way but thought I’d see if there is 
> anything on the market now. Would consider frame or complete. I also have a 
> neat black sheep klunker I would use as a barter if interested. Located in 
> Michigan. 
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> That new green does look pretty amazing tho…
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[RBW] Re: Bluelug NITTO FW30 power stem or similar

[Johnny Alien]

I bought one last year (I think) and there was no other source. They are 
very similar to the Nitto MT-54S which also has to be purchased from Japan 
but might come out a little cheaper? Rivendell has most of their 
faceplatters in stock but I think they all fail at being way to tall. I 
don't get having long headtubes, a stem with an upward angle, AND a long as 
all get out stem to be used with bars that also have an uprise. I had 
problems that I couldn't bury them enough to be useful. Hence why I went 
with the MT-54S and the Blue Lug stem. I love both of them but the Blue Lug 
is a touch better for options. How much does the blue lug one come out to 
these days?

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:00:41 PM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Nitto FW30 by Bluelug looks like exactly what I need for a build. Does 
> anyone know if this is stocked by anyone in the USA? The shipping cost from 
> Japan for this one item essentially doubles the price of the stem.
>
> Russell Duncan
> Leverett, MA
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[RBW] WTB: Albatross (steel)

[jaredwilson]

Hey group,

Decided to keep our Platys and make some amendments, so I'm on the hunt for 
a pair of steel Albatross bars to try out. 

I've run Billie bars on this bike in the past but I'm looking to get the 
bars away from me a little, hence Albatross, plus I'm growing to be less a 
fan of the aluminum (sleeved) variants of Nitto bars. Recommendations of a 
similar bar would appreciated as well.

Thanks :)

Jared

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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Ryan]

Nice! Mind...those Spurway bells are so elegant, I'm not sure I want to 
hide them😊But I do want to advertise my presence discreetly without 
scaring anyone...and I thought Drew Saunders with those  bells used by 
pow-wow jingle dancers wrapped around his stem had a lovely solution for 
that. 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:58:15 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Laing,
>
> I hereby support your experiment and subsequent photos/report to the 
> group. Would be pretty neat imo. 
>
> Brian
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:37:10 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> All good points, Patrick. Placement is very personal issue. 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing 
>>> tape for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, 
 smartly engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's 
 my story and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*

 Jock

 [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Brian Forsee]

Laing,

I hereby support your experiment and subsequent photos/report to the group. 
Would be pretty neat imo. 

Brian

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:37:10 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> All good points, Patrick. Placement is very personal issue. 
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape 
>> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, 
>>> smartly engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's 
>>> my story and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[John Dewey]

All good points, Patrick. Placement is very personal issue.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:

> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape
> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly
>> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story
>> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Patrick Moore]

I'll say! That was a damned good price for a Legolas!

Questions:

1. Valerie, why did you sell this unobtanium of the Rivendell line of
bicycles?

2. Those who have ridden the Legolas and the Ram, the Roadeo, or the
Roadini: How does the Legolas feel in ease of maintaining speed,
acceleration, and both nimbleness and stability of handling, with
more-or-less similar builds?



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful
> frame is going to someone so excited to own it.
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris
>> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely
>> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is
>> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking
>> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model.
>> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here
>> .
>>
>> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and
>> I used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110
>> stem on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c
>> wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>>
>> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the
>> seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an
>> issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not
>> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this
>> is not the frame for you.
>>
>> Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with
>> moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length)
>> and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I
>> will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for
>> shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.
>>
>> Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>>
>> Best,
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
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[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[lconley]

I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape 
for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.

Laing

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly 
> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story 
> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>
> Jock
>
> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[John Dewey]

Thanks, V! BTW, I use my right hand for most things but my left hand is
dominant. Sort of weird. So I prefer flipping striker with my left hand.
Spurcycle makes folks meandering catiwompas on the MUPS around here wet
their pants as I approach. So I allow plenty of room as we have no idea
which way they are going. They don’t either 🥵

BEST / Jock

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:00 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Lovely! Very discreet. I have a version of that bell sitting very
> indiscreetly on top of my stem. I am going to relocate as you have shown to
> see h to ding from there.
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:25:34 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly
>> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story
>> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

SOLD! As fast as the bike! I am very happy that this fun and beautiful 
frame is going to someone so excited to own it. 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
> King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
> already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
> super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
> custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
> The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
> .
>
> Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and I 
> used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 stem 
> on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
> wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.
>
> It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
> seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an 
> issue only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not 
> apparent at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this 
> is not the frame for you.
>
> Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
> moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
> and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
> will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
> shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.
>
> Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.
>
> Best,
> Val in Boulder CO
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[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Valerie Yates]

Lovely! Very discreet. I have a version of that bell sitting very 
indiscreetly on top of my stem. I am going to relocate as you have shown to 
see how it feels to ding from there. 

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:25:34 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly 
> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story 
> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>
> Jock
>
> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Silver 170 triple crank

[Doug Van Cleve]

Wow, I did a fantastically bad job with my initial request!  I’m looking
for a 170mm crankset, or maybe 167mm if anybody has tripled on of the
external BB versions…

Doug

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 9:32 PM Doug Van Cleve  wrote:

> Okay, I just realized I was not specific enough…  I’m looking for an RBW
> Silver brand crankset :^)
>
> Doug
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 10:21 AM Doug Van Cleve 
> wrote:
>
>> A 42/28 double *might* also do the trick...
>>
>> Doug Van Cleve
>> Chandler, AZ
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 10:12 AM Doug Van Cleve 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy folks.
>>>
>>> Anybody holding an unwanted Silver 170mm triple crank in good
>>> condition?  I might buy a new one, now that they're back in stock, but I
>>> wouldn't hate saving some dough either.
>>>
>>> On a related note, what width BB would I need for a Silver triple on a
>>> Joe Appa?  The bike currently has a Sugino triple, it would be swell if the
>>> same BB would work (well)...
>>>
>>> Thanks, Doug
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Legolas 54 FFHS

[Valerie Yates]

I am offering for sale one of the legendary Legolas: frame, fork, Chris 
King threadless headset, and bottom bracket. Anyone interested likely 
already knows this bike was designed for cyclocross racing and thus is 
super lightweight, nimble, and fun. You also know that Riv is not taking 
custom orders at present and that they are out of decals for this model. 
The yellow is striking. It is a very racy yellow. Pictures here 
.

Seat tube is 54 c-t. Top tube is 54.5 c-c.  I’’m 5’7” with an 82 PBH and I 
used a 60 stem. The person I bought it from was 5’10” and he had a 110 stem 
on it.  We both had the saddle at 72 (as shown in pics). It takes 700c 
wheels and is shown with 700x38 tires.

It has various chips in the paint and some wrinkling of the decal on the 
seat tube.  In this size frame, there is some toe overlap. This is an issue 
only when making very tight turns at very slow speeds. It is not apparent 
at riding speeds. If either of these aspects will bother you, this is not 
the frame for you.

Price is $1800. Add $100 if you want the pair of Paul canti brakes with 
moon units. Add another $100 if you want the Rotor crankset (170 length) 
and Sugino chain rings (40-34). Everything else is omitted from sale. I 
will pay for it to be professionally packed. Buyer to arrange and pay for 
shipping. Local pickup is available in/near Boulder CO.

Questions? Ask away. Interested? Send me a private message.

Best,
Val in Boulder CO

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[RBW] Bluelug NITTO FW30 power stem or similar

[Russell Duncan]

The Nitto FW30 by Bluelug looks like exactly what I need for a build. Does 
anyone know if this is stocked by anyone in the USA? The shipping cost from 
Japan for this one item essentially doubles the price of the stem.

Russell Duncan
Leverett, MA

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[RBW] ISO 54 Roadini

[Andrew Huston]

I know there is a new batch on the way but thought I’d see if there is 
anything on the market now. Would consider frame or complete. I also have a 
neat black sheep klunker I would use as a barter if interested. Located in 
Michigan. 

That new green does look pretty amazing tho…

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[RBW] Re: New Handlebar Suggestions

[Ryan]

Nice X0-1; it's  in lovely shape. 

To the OP: As I've advocated often, Albastache or Moustache bars might work 
and you can keep your road levers. You could flip them so they're higher if 
the usual configuration doesn't work. But there is certainly a dizzying 
array of alternatives  for drop bars out there today for us aging baby 
boomers. Good luck in your search!

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 3:09:26 AM UTC-6 John Johnson wrote:

> Hi Bob!
>
> I agree with Doug that handlebars are a mix of personal preference + bike 
> and body type + riding style. I rode Noodles for a long time on my X0-1 and 
> then switched to Albastache bars (which wasn't that much of a difference, 
> just a bit higher position than the noodles - like staying in the hoods all 
> the time more/less). The immediate benefit was not having to change brakes 
> or cables, I just unwrapped and swapped the bars, keeping the same levers 
> and shifters. On my other bikes I ride Toscos, Jones H Loop, and Bullmoose 
> bars. The XO is finally set up with Albatross bars and I feel like they are 
> a really great middle ground between aggressive (Albastache, Noodles) and 
> very swept back (B/L/Tosco, Chocos, or Billies). I don't have any magic 
> formula for stem length, etc., but I feel like the Albas are a good intro 
> to the world of swept-backitude.
>
> cheers,
>
> John
> [image: 2c955091-de31-49cf-a627-12b6fe75e5ad.jpg]
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 5:07:30 AM UTC+1 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I would argue that Albastache isn't an upright/swept back bar as the OP 
>> specified, it's a dropbar with the curves lifted up so the low position is 
>> gone. Not that there's anything wrong with that! 🙃
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:56:38 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Albastache is the perfect medium. You can keep your brakes an all as 
>>> well.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:39:53 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Another couple of swept back bar examples to add to the mix. Yep, I 
 also have a collection of stems and bars taking up space in the garage.
 First bar: Not a Riv/Not a Nitto, but similar to the Albastache, 
 mounted with a 25mm rise on a 35 deg x 90mm stem (it's a Whiskey Winston). 
 Lots of hand positions and a good range of fore-aft hip flexion. I can get 
 'aero-ish' on the forward bend.
 Second one is a VO Porter on a 70mm Technomic stem. It accomplishes 
 pretty much the same things. The hoods on the levers provide the forward 
 reach.  

 [image: sweptbackbars1.jpg]

 [image: Porteurbars1.jpg]




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Re: [RBW] Re: New Handlebar Suggestions

[chintan jadwani]

you could dip your feet by starting cheap ($18) with the (well-made) wald 
handlebars and see how you like it -

https://www.industrialbicycles.com/wald-products-896.aspx

for inspiration 



On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:03:23 AM UTC+5:30 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> When I made my switch I used my current setup as a starting point. I 
> measured from my saddle to the hood position and then swapped the bars and 
> measured to the grips. The bars ended up coming back something like 3-4cm 
> so I added that length to the stem I had on there. YMMV
>
> You can also use whatbars.com to compare the reach of your noodles to 
> many popular alt bars. Shows you the relative change of reach. 
>
> Eliot
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 2:33 PM Drew Henson  wrote:
>
>> I had some choco bars on my sam which I loved. I recently swapped bars 
>> between a crust romanceur and the sam, with rene hearse rando bars going on 
>> the sam and chaco going on the crust, but I'm already planning to put 
>> upright bars back on the sam. Thinking I'm going to try to the Ahearne+Map 
>> bars.
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:20:32 AM UTC-8 charlie...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I swapped some 46mm Noodles for a Bull Bar a few days ago and am very 
>>> happy with the results. Not super aero, but the bike feels more capable and 
>>> is way more fun to ride now. Wish I had done this sooner!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG-0318-min.jpg]
>>>
>>> Charlie in Maine
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:30:04 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>>
 I'm contemplating moving my Sam Hillborne from dropbar Noodles to some 
 kind of upright/swept back handlebar, and to be honest, I am a bit 
 overwhelmed by the various options.  By way of background, all I have ever 
 know are dropbar handlebars; but at 60, I'm thinking the sweptback/upright 
 might be a more comfortable option for my back!!  I like the idea of the 
 aerodynamic benefit of the drops, so wondering what style of upright might 
 offer aero for the occasional headwind.  From what I have read on this as 
 well as a few other forums, the RBW Billiebars seems to get high marks.  I 
 realize bar styles are somewhat subjective, however hoping the vast wisdom 
 of the RBW Owners Bunch might educate me.  TIA!!

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