[RBW] Ron’s ortho bars

[Edward Garnica]

Ordered the bars and realized a couple days ago I want a drop bar set up
for my next build. In Oakland $120. Not shipping holla

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Romulus

[Eric Marth]

Hi bapeterson — I see the bike is available for local pickup only. You 
didn't mention where you're located but guessing from your email somewhere 
near Cal Berkeley? 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:08:46 PM UTC-4 bapet...@berkeley.edu wrote:

> Original owner. 59cm Romulus purchased in Walnut Creek.  $800 or best offer
>
> Standard Riv Build:
> 105 hubs
> araya rims
> 105 headset
> 105 Front der
> deore rear der
> shimano std reach side pull brakes (not sure which model)
> sugino xd2 triple
> 11-32 cassette
> nitto s65 seatpost
> nitto moustache bar
> nitto technomic 8cm stem
> silver bar end shifters
> tiagra brake levers
>
> Local pickup only. No shipping
> Cash or Venmo
>
> Thanks for considering
>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Danny]

Matthew,

The rear looks like an M772, and the front an M786 maybe?

-Danny


On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:29 PM Matthew Williams <
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> Hi all, could someone please identify this pair of Deore XT derailleurs?
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Ron’s Ortho Bars are back in stock

[cody toth]

Ah I missed this sale, if anyone has a change of heart I am happy to buy 
them or swap a pair of magic components moth bars ! :)

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 3:36:25 PM UTC+2 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Lol I bought them without even having a bike I can put them on. Time to 
> sell something a base a build around handlebars I guess.
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:13:20 PM UTC-4 in...@brentknepper.com 
> wrote:
>
>> thanks Eliot, you managed to post this 16 min before I got the restock 
>> email from crust! impressive :)
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:32:01 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> You are welcome. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron’s Ortho Bars but no bike conundrum? Buy mine!

[P W]

If anyone has buyers remorse on the bars…You know where to find me!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Aug 14, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Davey Two Shoes  wrote:Hey Lucky,Could you tell me what the standover is for the MB4? Also is there room for larger tires?On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:53:08 AM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:For anyone who bought Ron’s bars only to find they don’t have a bike to put them on, allow me to shamelessly cross post my lovely 1993 MB-4 (for sale on iBOB and local CL), which I’m happy to sell without cockpit…Ron’s bars would suit this bike exceptionally well!Feel free to e-mail if I actually caught anyone’s interest;)Liz in Sacramento Bridgestone MB-4 Classic 26” ATB - bicycles - by owner - bike salesacramento.craigslist.org



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[RBW] Re: FS: Bike parts

[Alexander Gutierrez]

Close up pics, https://imgur.com/a/G4Crgiq

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:02:44 AM UTC-4 Alexander Gutierrez wrote:

>
> Nitto Rear Cable hanger - long/short, SOLD
> Dura Ace Quick Release/Skewers-7400 Series, SOLD
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:06:16 PM UTC-4 Alexander Gutierrez wrote:
>
>> - Rivendell Nitto Bullmoose Handlebar, $120
>> - Rivendell Nitto RBW51 Rack(Includes Nitto Diving Board Plate Front - 
>> 20219) , $150
>>
>> - Outdoor Research Helium Bivy - black(used two times), $120
>> - King Cage Titanium Water Bottle Cage - Set, $100
>>
>> - The Restuvus by hobopieces saddle bag mount, $45
>> - Salsa CowBell 2 Alloy Drop Bars 2017 - 46cm x 31.8 Bar Clamp, $35
>> - Nitto Rear Cable hanger - long/short, $15 each
>> - Dura Ace Quick Release/Skewers-7400 Series, $40
>> - Jagwire Road Pro C Lite Brakes + extra pads included, $30
>> - Grepp Gripper Bar Tape(Ultimate Grey). $34
>> - Paul Chain Keeper, 31.8 clamp, $30
>> - Voile Straps® - 20” Rack Strap(one new, one used), $25
>> - Busch Secula E For Seatpost Rear Light, $10
>> - Shimano Altus RD-M310 ALTUS, $10
>> - Tektro R200 Brake Levers, $15
>> - Rivendell MUSA Splats (pair) - B (shoe 7 - 9), $20
>>
>> Tools:
>> - Pedro's Star Nut Setting Tool With Guide For 1" And 1 1/8" Stems, $25
>> - Pedro's Universal Crank Remover Puller, $10
>> - Park Tool BBT-79 Bottom Bracket Tool, $20
>> - Park Tool AWS-8/TWS-3 set, $15
>> - Accu-Gage by Milton Presta Valve, $10
>> - Unior - Chain Wear Checker(new), $10 
>>
>> I'm in Sunset Park Brooklyn for if you wanna pass by. :)
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTT: Large Fab's Chest for Small

[Austin Moore]

Hi Austin
 Have a small in waxed blue that I only used a few times that I’m looking
to sell.
Cheers
Austin

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 4:02 PM Austin Plocher  wrote:

> Probably unlikely as the small's seem very in-demand, but putting out
> there. Lightly used Fab's chest large burgundy classic waxed
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron’s Ortho Bars but no bike conundrum? Buy mine!

[Paul Armijo]

How much for the bars?

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 3:33 PM Mike Packard  wrote:

> I put some on my Atlantis and now it won't fit in the bike locker at work
> :D
>
> Mike in Austin
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:57:18 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dang, that's a lovely bike Liz! Hopefully someone snatches it up for that
>> price!
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 2:06 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> I've got mine on a Nitto 120 and oh, they flex.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:53:45 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Just reading the words 130mm and ron's orthos makes me feel the flex.

 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:27:59 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Wow! I got a lot more DM's than anticipated. Sale is currently pending
> at this point.
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:52:48 AM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> Ive got a pretty minty silver 130mm ritchey force road stem 26.0
>> clamp in my parts bin for sale for when you realize you need a lng 
>> low
>> steel stem to run these bars. *sunglasses emoji*
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 8:53:08 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone who bought Ron’s bars only to find they don’t have a bike
>>> to put them on, allow me to shamelessly cross post my lovely 1993 MB-4 
>>> (for
>>> sale on iBOB and local CL), which I’m happy to sell without cockpit…
>>> Ron’s bars would suit this bike exceptionally well!
>>> Feel free to e-mail if I actually caught anyone’s interest;)
>>> Liz in Sacramento
>>> [image: 00707_eKrnb9sdxrf_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bridgestone MB-4 Classic 26” ATB - bicycles - by owner - bike sale
>>> 
>>> sacramento.craigslist.org
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bike parts

[Alexander Gutierrez]

Rivendell Nitto RBW51 Rack(Includes Nitto Diving Board Plate Front - 20219) 
, $150 - SOLD
Outdoor Research Helium Bivy - black(used two times), $120 - SOLD
The Restuvus by hobopieces saddle bag mount, $45 - SOLD
Nitto Rear Cable hanger - long/short, $15 each - SOLD
Dura Ace Quick Release/Skewers-7400 Series, $40 - SOLD
Grepp Gripper Bar Tape(Ultimate Grey). $34 - SOLD
Busch Secula E For Seatpost Rear Light, $10 - SOLD
Shimano Altus RD-M310 ALTUS, $10 - SOLD
Pedro's Universal Crank Remover Puller, $10 - SOLD

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:02:44 AM UTC-4 Alexander Gutierrez wrote:

>
> Nitto Rear Cable hanger - long/short, SOLD
> Dura Ace Quick Release/Skewers-7400 Series, SOLD
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:06:16 PM UTC-4 Alexander Gutierrez wrote:
>
>> - Rivendell Nitto Bullmoose Handlebar, $120
>> - Rivendell Nitto RBW51 Rack(Includes Nitto Diving Board Plate Front - 
>> 20219) , $150
>>
>> - Outdoor Research Helium Bivy - black(used two times), $120
>> - King Cage Titanium Water Bottle Cage - Set, $100
>>
>> - The Restuvus by hobopieces saddle bag mount, $45
>> - Salsa CowBell 2 Alloy Drop Bars 2017 - 46cm x 31.8 Bar Clamp, $35
>> - Nitto Rear Cable hanger - long/short, $15 each
>> - Dura Ace Quick Release/Skewers-7400 Series, $40
>> - Jagwire Road Pro C Lite Brakes + extra pads included, $30
>> - Grepp Gripper Bar Tape(Ultimate Grey). $34
>> - Paul Chain Keeper, 31.8 clamp, $30
>> - Voile Straps® - 20” Rack Strap(one new, one used), $25
>> - Busch Secula E For Seatpost Rear Light, $10
>> - Shimano Altus RD-M310 ALTUS, $10
>> - Tektro R200 Brake Levers, $15
>> - Rivendell MUSA Splats (pair) - B (shoe 7 - 9), $20
>>
>> Tools:
>> - Pedro's Star Nut Setting Tool With Guide For 1" And 1 1/8" Stems, $25
>> - Pedro's Universal Crank Remover Puller, $10
>> - Park Tool BBT-79 Bottom Bracket Tool, $20
>> - Park Tool AWS-8/TWS-3 set, $15
>> - Accu-Gage by Milton Presta Valve, $10
>> - Unior - Chain Wear Checker(new), $10 
>>
>> I'm in Sunset Park Brooklyn for if you wanna pass by. :)
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Jon B]

I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.

With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he said, 
"It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles later, 
it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.

Jon Blum

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
 either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
 had 
 wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
 coast and east coast respectively.

 I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
 Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
 Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
 of 
 my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
 couple 32s.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
> The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
> many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
> 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>


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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Ryan Ogilvie]

Check our Maxis Refuse. Pretty heavy duty. I've run them in NYC commuting 
and, if I've had a flat, it's only been once over what's got to be a 
1000mi. 

I have the brown side wall but they make em all black. 
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:04:16 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
>
> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>
> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and the 
> occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>
> Size: 700 x 50
>
> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or stripes!
>
> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>
> G-One Overland:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>
> Hurricane:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>
> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
> for me?
>
> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
> appreciated.
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[RBW] Re: WTT: Swift Panniers for Sackville HappiSack

[jaredwilson]

Open to other colors, or other make/model medium-large bags.

Thanks :)

jared
On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:04:32 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> Will sell outright for what I paid, $220 + ship.
>
> NLA from Swift, super useful bags just overkill for what I have going on 
> right now.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Looking to trade my pair of like new Swift panniers for a Sackville 
>> HappiSack.
>>
>> I purchased these from group member Ryan Frahm earlier this year in like 
>> new condition and used (1) bag about twice. 
>>
>> Some cat hair and dust from sitting around, I'll lint roll them before 
>> shipping out, otherwise they're pretty much perfect condition.
>>
>> Looking for a tan, khaki, or olive HappiSack in good condition, bonus if 
>> it has matching kangaroo pouch.
>>
>> Please respond off list if interested, thanks :)
>>
>> jared in central CA
>>
>> [image: IMG_7216.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini, Mustachioed & More

[Johnny Alien]

Looks fantastic! I love the pink with it. Great call

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:27:37 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:

> Took me a while to get around to ordering new handlebars and then took me 
> a while to get around to swapping the bars, then a while to commit to 
> wrapping and another while to take a few pictures.
>
> A few here and below:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/FgPzkYf
>
> Raised the stem up to just about as high as it can go without 
> precipitating the need to re-do the front brake cable. So the riding 
> position is quite upright and comfortable but because the stem is a short 
> 50mm, the bar ends only come back roughly level with the stem bolt and so 
> position doesn't feel cruiser-upright. Riding on the forward bends or brake 
> hoods makes it feel sporty.
>
> I wouldn't have predicted that I'd end up with brakes positioned as they 
> are, but I've got them set a good deal less "inward" and more toward the 
> apex of the forward bends than the Bridgestone orthodoxy 
> . For me, the levers are in 
> a good position when I'm in the forward bends, since the more natural spot 
> for me feels like slightly to the outside rather than straight forward. And 
> having them less inward makes it really quick and natural to inch my hands 
> up slightly from the bar ends to catch the end of the levers. And it's even 
> pretty close and natural when I'm on the bar ends to get my left thumb over 
> to the bell where it is. The ends are also really nice for sprinting and 
> climbing. 
>
> I can totally see why some people arrange so the bar ends are the primary 
> hand position, with flat-bar-style or reverse levers positioned for that. 
> It's definitely the most relaxed position, but I wanted brakes placed for 
> least non-aero position and also to enable the furthest forward brake hood 
> position.
>
> Because of the handlebar bag, I lose the position flanking the stem, which 
> is what I rode in the most when I had mustache bars on a couple of other 
> bikes. But that was to get a more upright cruising position, with lower and 
> longer stems, and with the stem how it is now, all positions are various 
> grades of chill.
>
> I had mentally agonized a bunch over shift lever positions. It would be 
> nice to make them bar-ends, but the more I ride this bike, the more I'm 
> finding that downtube levers being less accessible makes me shift less in a 
> good way. Right now, I'm pretty much only riding on flat land and so I 
> don't really need to shift at all, and hardly do, which is nice. When I 
> realized this was going on, it reminded me of how pleasant of a surprise it 
> was when I realized that I had been subconsciously appreciating the Zen of 
> a singlespeed.
>
> Really happy with the setup and the one thing I think I might do is try to 
> try to see at what point dropping the stem lower becomes too low for me.
>
> Chester
> SF Bay Area
>
> [image: 20230805_140612.jpg]
> [image: 20230804_201825.jpg][image: 20230804_201844.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:37:47 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:
>
>> Recently bought Ed C's Roadini and have been riding it as much as I can. 
>> I asked him a few geo questions and he warned me that the stem (5cm) would 
>> probably be short for me and he's right in that I find riding the tops of 
>> the Nitto Noodles a little cramped.
>>
>> As I think about changing stem and/or bars, I end up in a chain reaction 
>> of additional changes that I think are basically about me wanting to make 
>> this Roadini more "gravel"-ish than roadish. On one hand, I have been 
>> intending to build out a Homer when they come in later this summer, but on 
>> the other hand, I just bought this Roadini, just bought a Clem L for my 
>> wife (that I ride more than she does), and just stumbled on and bought a 
>> Bridgestone RB-1 at the end of last year. So I feel like I should not buy 
>> more bikes to "save money"...and blow it all on new parts.
>>
>> Anyway, so this is where the somewhat cramped cockpit of what was Ed's 
>> Roadini takes me. Typing this out to get my thoughts down for myself to 
>> better sort them out, and also because I do have some questions below, and 
>> if anyone is kind enough to offer thoughts on what I'm thinking, I'd 
>> appreciate it.
>>
>> *Handlebars: Mustache*
>>
>> I could swap in a longer stem for a better fit but the Noodles are 46cm 
>> and are narrower than what I'd want. And I almost never ride in the drops 
>> or hooks of drop bars anyway. So thinking that a Mustache would be pretty 
>> perfect. What I'm used to on road type geometry and drop bars is a drop bar 
>> top that is about 4-6cm more forward. So I think the forward curves of the 
>> Nitto Mustache would be between what I'm used to as drop bar tops and hoods 
>> positions. 
>>
>> I looked a lot at other bars and there are some dirt drop sort of bars 
>> I'd like to try, but they're not 26/25.4 clamp size. 
>>
>> *Brake Levers: Non-Aero?*
>>
>> Ed put 

[RBW] Re: For Sale: Ibex merino cycling shorts (Made in USA)

[Eric Marth]

Now $40 plus shipping to you :o) 

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> *Correction: *These are size *large* note size medium as stated above. 
> Thanks!
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:46:54 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi all — Looking for $50 plus shipping to you, price is net to me :o) 
>>
>> [image: IMG_7043.JPG]
>>
>> Ibex cycling shorts. Black, 92% merino, 6% poly, 2% lycra. Made in USA. 
>> Poly pad. These are in great overall shape, some light abrasions on the 
>> rear panels below the pad as shown.  
>>
>> There are labeled a size medium but check these measurements to ensure 
>> best fit. Lots of stretch in them but not stretched out or over-stretched. 
>>
>>- Waist laid flat, not stretched: 14" 
>>- Inseam: 9" 
>>- Rise: 18"
>>
>> [image: IMG_7044.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_7046.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_7039.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_7041.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_7040.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_7042.JPG]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wooly Warm tweed rollneck sweater

[Eric Marth]

Now $60 plus shipping to you :) 

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:24:13 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — I have a Rivendell Wooly Warm rollneck turtleneck for sale. 
> Looking for $75 plus shipping to you. One small hole near the left pit as 
> shown. No pockets, medium weight. 
>
> [image: IMG_7052.JPG]
>
> It's labeled a size XXL but see measurements for best fit. 
>
>- Pit to pit: 24"
>- Pit to cuff: 24"
>- Top of shoulder to bottom hem: 29"
>
> Thanks! 
>
> [image: IMG_7056.JPG]
>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Matthew Williams]

A. HOMER HILSEN f/f/hs
65cm
1000
Fayetteville, NC
https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/asheville-rivendell-homer-hilsen-65cm/7653376311.html

61cm
2100
Carlsbad, CA
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-fs-61-cm-toyo-built-rivendell/7655093235.html

===

APPALOOSA
54cm
3400
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html

47cm
3200
Silverdale, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7654436328.html

46cm f/f/hs
1200
Silverdale, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7654436278.html

62cm
2200
Indianapolis, IN
https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7654284416.html

51cm
1500
Decatur, IL
https://decatur.craigslist.org/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-appaloosa-51cm/7653107413.html

46cm
2600
Tucson, AZ
https://tucson.craigslist.org/bik/d/tucson-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-46cm/7640179378.html

===

BETTY FOY
60cm
1800
Queens, NY
https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/bik/d/ridgewood-rivendell-betty-foy-large-60cm/7650971221.html

===

CHEVIOT
60cm
2000
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-cheviot-60cm/7649209115.html

===

CLEM SMITH JR. 
45cm H
1300
Minneapolis, MN
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/minneapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7638477932.html

54cm L
2750
Santa Rosa, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/santa-rosa-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7652189316.html

===

HERON
59cm
1700
Los Angeles, CA
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-1993-heron-rivendell/7648263190.html

===

HUBBUHUBBUH
Small
3700
Portland, OR
https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/sequim-rivendell-hubbuhubbuh-tandem/7642793863.html

Medium
2500
Arlington, VA
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/arlington-rivendell-bicycles-hhh-tandem/7647157336.html

===

PROTOVELO
57cm
1300
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/bik/d/lewisville-rivendell-protovelo-57cm/7648544548.html

===

RAMBOUILLET
58cm
1650
St. Paul, MN
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/bik/d/saint-paul-58cm-rivendell-rambouillet/7644774367.html

56cm
1900
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html

===

ROADEO
61cm
1300
San Francisco, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-roadeo-road/7655039192.html

===

ROADINI
60cm
1300
Littleton, CO
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/littleton-rivendell-roadini-60cm/7654431189.html

50cm
1600
Ellensburg, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/ellensburg-rivendell-roadini/7654381016.html

===

PLATYPUS
60cm
3300
Modesto, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/modesto-60cm-rivendell-platypus/7654495360.html

===

SALUKI
62cm
2800
Brick, NJ
https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/bik/d/brick-rivendell-saluki-62cm-650b-rene/7647841760.html

===

SAM HILLBORNE
55cm
2000
St. Germain, WI
https://madison.craigslist.org/bik/d/saint-germain-sam-hillbourne/7653334340.html

60cm
2400
Astoria, NY
https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/bik/d/astoria-rivendell-sam-hillborne-green/7654848376.html

62cm
2200
Grand Rapids, MI
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bik/d/grand-rapids-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7629706219.html

51cm
2000
Charlottesville, VA
https://charlottesville.craigslist.org/bik/d/charlottesville-gently-used-rivendell/7641259969.html

60cm
1200
Missoula, MT
https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7652643051.html

===

SAN MARCOS CARGO
59cm
Vancouver, BC
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/bik/d/vancouver-59cm-soma-rivendell-san/7654123617.html


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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Will]

Oh yes it might help a bit if the bike didn't look so new. With a few 
duct tape patches that can be easily solved without hurting the frame. 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 5:24:24 PM UTC-5 Will wrote:

> When I was in college I had a Raleigh Competition and a Raleigh RRA 
> (French metric Raleigh bike). It was a small campus in Williamsburg, VA. I 
> had no problems with either bike. Yes, I locked them. Yes, I didn't leave 
> them out at night and so on, but my point is... with a good U lock and 
> maybe some wheel theft clamps, I think you'll be fine. No one is looking 
> for a classic steel bike  these days. Now they want carbon and disc brakes. 
> And there are plenty of those bikes to steal. I'd give him the Clem. 
>
> Will
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 4:05:31 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking about this situation a lot. (And thinking back about 
>> 20 years to my time in college.) I was from a small town, and went to a 
>> large public school. I learned a lot, and a lot of learning is through 
>> mistakes. I did lots of dumb stuff, and minus the time I went flying over 
>> the handlebars and got an ambulance ride, I was lucky to escape without 
>> life-altering implications. My grandpa died when I was in college, and I 
>> still treasure a few small items I have from him. Ultimately, things are 
>> things, but some things mean more than others. It will be up to your family 
>> to decide the best route. I'm not sure it's been mentioned before, but any 
>> thought to taking an entirely different bike first semester/first year with 
>> the plan to revisit taking the Clem second semester/sophomore year? 
>>
>> Good luck with your decision.
>> Matt in STL
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 
>>> 80s kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In 
>>> college I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the 
>>> bike was primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and 
>>> really enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. 
 I grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there 
 are parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily 
 car 
 free college life. 

 I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
 adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
 dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
 and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
 "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
 taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
 studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour 
 in 
 my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 

 Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
 talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind 
 you) 
 for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
 came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) 
 on 
 that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
 life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and 
 it 
 blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
 - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 

 I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul 
 Trucker. Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng 
 top tube after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised 
 the cross check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared 
 Karate Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, 
 but 
 fell back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and 
 rode that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark 
 Remier's first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the 
 premier. Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in 
 my size. I loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even 
 start on my bikes during my "Grad school years" 

 I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is 
 for experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike 
 dealings were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so 
 much to learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely 
 other bikes and builds in there I 

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Will]

When I was in college I had a Raleigh Competition and a Raleigh RRA (French 
metric Raleigh bike). It was a small campus in Williamsburg, VA. I had no 
problems with either bike. Yes, I locked them. Yes, I didn't leave them out 
at night and so on, but my point is... with a good U lock and maybe some 
wheel theft clamps, I think you'll be fine. No one is looking for a classic 
steel bike  these days. Now they want carbon and disc brakes. And there are 
plenty of those bikes to steal. I'd give him the Clem. 

Will

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 4:05:31 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been thinking about this situation a lot. (And thinking back about 20 
> years to my time in college.) I was from a small town, and went to a large 
> public school. I learned a lot, and a lot of learning is through mistakes. 
> I did lots of dumb stuff, and minus the time I went flying over the 
> handlebars and got an ambulance ride, I was lucky to escape without 
> life-altering implications. My grandpa died when I was in college, and I 
> still treasure a few small items I have from him. Ultimately, things are 
> things, but some things mean more than others. It will be up to your family 
> to decide the best route. I'm not sure it's been mentioned before, but any 
> thought to taking an entirely different bike first semester/first year with 
> the plan to revisit taking the Clem second semester/sophomore year? 
>
> Good luck with your decision.
> Matt in STL
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 
>> 80s kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In 
>> college I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the 
>> bike was primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and 
>> really enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. 
>>> I grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there 
>>> are parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily car 
>>> free college life. 
>>>
>>> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
>>> adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
>>> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
>>> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
>>> "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
>>> taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
>>> studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour in 
>>> my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 
>>>
>>> Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
>>> talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind you) 
>>> for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
>>> came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) on 
>>> that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
>>> life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and it 
>>> blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
>>> - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 
>>>
>>> I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul 
>>> Trucker. Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng 
>>> top tube after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised 
>>> the cross check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared 
>>> Karate Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, but 
>>> fell back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and 
>>> rode that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark 
>>> Remier's first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the 
>>> premier. Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in 
>>> my size. I loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even 
>>> start on my bikes during my "Grad school years" 
>>>
>>> I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is for 
>>> experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike dealings 
>>> were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so much to 
>>> learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely other 
>>> bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring bike etc. 
>>> and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. Oof - 
>>> not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't stopped.
>>>
>>> I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike from 
>>> the get go and supportive parents for a 

[RBW] FS: Framework Designs Travellers Panniers

[Alex K]

Bought these off this list a year or so back.  Beautiful bags, but not 
seeing a lot of bike touring happening in the near future and it's time to 
sell off some things.
Here's a link to the bags.  Perfect condition.

https://bikepacking.com/gear/framework-designs-travellers-panniers-review/

$140 shipped CONUS

a c k s f 7 8 @gmail


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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[matt miller]

I've been thinking about this situation a lot. (And thinking back about 20 
years to my time in college.) I was from a small town, and went to a large 
public school. I learned a lot, and a lot of learning is through mistakes. 
I did lots of dumb stuff, and minus the time I went flying over the 
handlebars and got an ambulance ride, I was lucky to escape without 
life-altering implications. My grandpa died when I was in college, and I 
still treasure a few small items I have from him. Ultimately, things are 
things, but some things mean more than others. It will be up to your family 
to decide the best route. I'm not sure it's been mentioned before, but any 
thought to taking an entirely different bike first semester/first year with 
the plan to revisit taking the Clem second semester/sophomore year? 

Good luck with your decision.
Matt in STL

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 
> 80s kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In 
> college I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the 
> bike was primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and 
> really enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. I 
>> grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there are 
>> parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily car 
>> free college life. 
>>
>> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
>> adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
>> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
>> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
>> "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
>> taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
>> studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour in 
>> my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 
>>
>> Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
>> talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind you) 
>> for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
>> came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) on 
>> that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
>> life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and it 
>> blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
>> - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 
>>
>> I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul Trucker. 
>> Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng top tube 
>> after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised the cross 
>> check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared Karate 
>> Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, but fell 
>> back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and rode 
>> that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark Remier's 
>> first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the premier. 
>> Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in my size. I 
>> loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even start on my 
>> bikes during my "Grad school years" 
>>
>> I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is for 
>> experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike dealings 
>> were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so much to 
>> learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely other 
>> bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring bike etc. 
>> and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. Oof - 
>> not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't stopped.
>>
>> I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike from 
>> the get go and supportive parents for a *much* better starting point. I 
>> absolutely believe that Leah's kid is in good hands. Who knows what'll 
>> happen, but he's got a great bike to work with and obviously a lot of love 
>> and support which is super great. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This is going great you guys. I think it was clear after many days and 
>>> many posts that the question is "what bike?", not does the kid even want 
>>> one. It'd be super if we could stick with that. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:38:13 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be 
 serious and 

[RBW] Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I have several broken Silver shifters.  The power ratchet doesn't work any 
more.  My question is if I can get a part to fix the ratchet.  If not, 
should I throw them in the metal recycling or is there anything I can use 
later?  I'm not a mechanical person.  I just know the ratchet wouldn't hold 
after I replaced the plastic washer and when I put a new shifter on, it 
worked.  

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 80s 
kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In college 
I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the bike was 
primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and really 
enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. I 
> grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there are 
> parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily car 
> free college life. 
>
> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
> adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
> "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
> taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
> studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour in 
> my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 
>
> Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
> talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind you) 
> for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
> came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) on 
> that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
> life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and it 
> blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
> - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 
>
> I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul Trucker. 
> Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng top tube 
> after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised the cross 
> check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared Karate 
> Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, but fell 
> back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and rode 
> that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark Remier's 
> first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the premier. 
> Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in my size. I 
> loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even start on my 
> bikes during my "Grad school years" 
>
> I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is for 
> experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike dealings 
> were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so much to 
> learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely other 
> bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring bike etc. 
> and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. Oof - 
> not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't stopped.
>
> I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike from 
> the get go and supportive parents for a *much* better starting point. I 
> absolutely believe that Leah's kid is in good hands. Who knows what'll 
> happen, but he's got a great bike to work with and obviously a lot of love 
> and support which is super great. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This is going great you guys. I think it was clear after many days and 
>> many posts that the question is "what bike?", not does the kid even want 
>> one. It'd be super if we could stick with that. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:38:13 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be 
>>> serious and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate 
>>> reserve in asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; "Perhaps 
>>> you might consider ...?"
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
 John,
 I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
 mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
 man?
 Doug

 On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:

> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>
> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the 
> *strength 
> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount 
> of attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>
> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you 
> don't like.
>
> John 
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Mackenzy Albright]

Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. I 
grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there are 
parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily car 
free college life. 

I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
"from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour in 
my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 

Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind you) 
for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) on 
that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and it 
blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
- and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 

I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul Trucker. 
Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng top tube 
after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised the cross 
check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared Karate 
Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, but fell 
back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and rode 
that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark Remier's 
first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the premier. 
Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in my size. I 
loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even start on my 
bikes during my "Grad school years" 

I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is for 
experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike dealings 
were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so much to 
learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely other 
bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring bike etc. 
and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. Oof - 
not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't stopped.

I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike from 
the get go and supportive parents for a *much* better starting point. I 
absolutely believe that Leah's kid is in good hands. Who knows what'll 
happen, but he's got a great bike to work with and obviously a lot of love 
and support which is super great. 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is going great you guys. I think it was clear after many days and 
> many posts that the question is "what bike?", not does the kid even want 
> one. It'd be super if we could stick with that. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:38:13 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be serious 
>> and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate reserve in 
>> asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; "Perhaps you might 
>> consider ...?"
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
>>> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
>>> man?
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>>
 Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.

 John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
 of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount 
 of attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.

 You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you 
 don't like.

 John 
 On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> John,
> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>
> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting 
> for him that you would like to gift him?
>
> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused 
> about the topic of the conversation?
>
> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
> imposing my choices on my son?
>


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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Leah Peterson]

John,Over the years I have found this forum to be extremely helpful. The willingness of members to answer elementary questions from someone just entering the bike world has been invaluable. I’ve always been appreciative, and I have made it a point to say so.But here on our forum, there also exists an undercurrent of condescension. Every now and again, seemingly out of the blue, someone will pitch a mean comment and change the conversation. It’s happened to me several times, and I’ll never get used to it. We can have 75 helpful posts offering experience and well thought-out opinions and then suddenly one person chimes in with a question that sounds very much like sarcasm. It’s part of the culture of this forum, and it’s unfortunate.John #1’s question could have been genuine, but if so it was poorly phrased, so I doubt it. John #2’s (yours) was out of line and can only be received as rude. I’ve lived long enough that when I hear “calm down” I know it’s usually a man saying it to a woman. If you doubt me, ask yourself if you’d have said these same words to Bill Lindsay. To the rest of you, thank you! I have had so much to think about, thanks to your excellent points and stories about your own experiences on college campuses. And that is all I have to say on the matter.LeahOn Aug 15, 2023, at 1:57 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the strength of his desire for a bike at college could correlate to the amount of attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't like.John On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:John,Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for him that you would like to gift him?2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about the topic of the conversation?3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was imposing my choices on my son?If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate transportation.If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. LeahOn Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:LeahI might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at collegeJohn HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 



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Re: [RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139 re: zip-ties & baskets

[Eric Floden]

No sign of degradation that I could see. I am sorry now I did not keep
them. I  was packing the car for a drive across the country,  saw that
damage, and tossed them. Hopefully a once-in-a-lifetime thing...


On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 14:00 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Eric, were the straps degrading, or were just broken, or cut, or?
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:47:04 AM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>
>> Here's an oddity. I bought a couple of Voile straps for future use,
>> around 2019. I stored them atop the donut spare in our Forester. Last
>> month, I accessed the space and both straps were broken. Not a clean cut,
>> but close to it. I wouldn't suppose that it means anything for other
>> users,  but that is my report...
>>
>> So I tossed some other type of steap in there. I hope it holds up
>>
>> EricF
>> Golden Lake ON
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 12:27 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>+1 for Voile straps for attaching baskets to racks.
>>> I haven't broken any wires on my baskets, but my zip-ties seem to break
>>> on their own. I used to find broken zip-ties sometimes when I did a quick
>>> bike & rack check before heading out. The zip-ties never broke while I was
>>> riding, but would expire in their sleep between rides. Switching zip-tie
>>> brands didn't help, and always parked my bike inside.
>>> I switched to Voile straps without any problems, and now it's quick to
>>> add or remove a basket in seconds any time I want.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
 Greetings
 I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what
 ppl are using for a rack.
 I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and
 I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with
 spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it
 is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see
 what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
 I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have
 used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have
 any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong
 enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear
 of the bike though.
 Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
 thanks
 JS

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[RBW] Re: Bike Parts FS

[Hugh Smitham]

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:34:28 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

Here's an updated list: 

Tune TSR22 Wheelset - 28" | Clincher | MAG / MIG Standard - QR5x100/130mm - 
Campagnolo ED 10/11/12 3T does not come with skewers, less than 100 miles 
$200

Sunrace M993 9sp 11-50t Blk (New) $42

Sunrace RDM900 9sp Med Cage Blk (New) $25

Shimano BL-R780 Brake Levers (New) $42

Sugino 38t 110mm Chainring (New) $42

Sugino 110mm BCD bash guard (Used) $40

Tektro R539 Brakes Black (Used) $40

Suntour XC Pro seat post 26.8mm 300mm L (New) $120

Nitto S83 27.0mm 300mm seat post (New) $120

Dia-Comp GranCompe  seat post 27.2mm 250mm L (New) $60

Soma Sutro Stem 22.2 bar 25.4,100mm LG180 (New) $40

White Industries VBC SQ Taper arms 170mm (Used)  $175 Pending

Shimano XTR FD-M950 top pull front derailleur 28.6mm (New) $20 Pending

Sim Works Quill Stem 110mm 25.4mm Black Tomboy (New) $80

Shimano XTR 100mm rim brake hub no skewer $80

Shimano BL-R780 22.2 Brake Levers Black/Silver (New) $35

Uno seat post 25.4 ~300mm L Black (Used) $5

Generic Aluminum seat post 31.6mm 350mm (used) $5
IRD Shifter Mount Quill Stem ( Used) $50 

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[RBW] FS: Toyo 61 cm A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

$2100. I am willing to have REI ship it at buyers expense. I will keep my 
saddle and pedals.

My Craigslist posting is here, with pictures:

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-fs-61-cm-toyo-built-rivendell/7655093235.html

I recently purchased an early model, Toyo-built A Homer Hilsen from the 
previous owner in Los Angeles.  My goal was to see if I would prefer the 
Homer compared to my Romulus enough to justify the expense. I have invested 
a few hundred dollars in new Dura Ace bar end shifters, a new XT cassette, 
new 35 mm Gravelking slicks, and longer cables and cable housing to be able 
to raise and lower the bars so I can find my desired height. I also 
installed fenders and the pictures may show the fenders installed, but I 
intend on keeping them and have removed them.

It is a very nice bike, but the Romulus meets my road bike needs and I want 
to sell the Homer to buy a bikepacking bike, something totally different. I 
put this up for sale months ago on CL, but I have not been trying very hard 
to sell it. Time to move it.

I think the frameset is in very good condition, perhaps excellent. There a 
few minor paint chips on a chain stay, and some chipping on the pointed 
part of the seat tube / top tube lug pointing towards the saddle. I believe 
this is a great opportunity for someone who wants a Toyo Homer in a 61 cm 
to get one in terrific shape. It fits very much like my previous 61 cm 
Atlantis. It actually handles in a very similar manner and that makes it 
difficult to sell, but I want to get a fast drop bar mountain bike more 
than I want to have an additional 700c country bike.
.
I have a 77 cm saddle height set up as pictured. I would suggest this as a 
minimum, and if you are a little taller than me you will probably be able 
to run 40+ mm tires with zero issues. Please message me directly if you 
have serious interest in this bike. 

Regarding the rest of the parts -
Nitto Noodle
Technomic stem, 9 cm (I can swap for another length if you prefer, I have a 
5, 8 and a 11 cm.
Dura Ace bar end shifters, new
Kickstand
Nitto seatpost
Velocity Dyad rims, XT hubs
XT Rapid Rise rear derailer
IRD Alpina front derailer

If you want to buy without the wheelset, I will sell it for $1900.

David Carroll
Carlsbad, CA

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Joe Bernard]

This is going great you guys. I think it was clear after many days and many 
posts that the question is "what bike?", not does the kid even want one. 
It'd be super if we could stick with that. 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:38:13 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be serious 
> and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate reserve in 
> asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; "Perhaps you might 
> consider ...?"
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
>> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
>> man?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>>>
>>> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
>>> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of 
>>> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>>>
>>> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't 
>>> like.
>>>
>>> John 
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John,
 Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.

 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
 him that you would like to gift him?

 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused 
 about the topic of the conversation?

 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
 imposing my choices on my son?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Johnny Alien]

Written communication can often come off the wrong way. The original 
question does come off a bit rough but might not have been intended that 
way. In addition I think the "take a deep breath and count to 10" comment 
comes off as very condescending (but hopefully wasn't intended that way). 
Just as easy to say "I think you may have taken that the wrong way".

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:38:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be serious 
> and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate reserve in 
> asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; "Perhaps you might 
> consider ...?"
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
>> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
>> man?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>>>
>>> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
>>> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of 
>>> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>>>
>>> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't 
>>> like.
>>>
>>> John 
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John,
 Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.

 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
 him that you would like to gift him?

 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused 
 about the topic of the conversation?

 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
 imposing my choices on my son?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be serious
and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate reserve in
asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; "Perhaps you might
consider ...?"

On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> John,
> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question
> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really
> man?
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>>
>> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength
>> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of
>> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>>
>> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't
>> like.
>>
>> John
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>>>
>>> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for
>>> him that you would like to gift him?
>>>
>>> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about
>>> the topic of the conversation?
>>>
>>> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was
>>> imposing my choices on my son?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Eric Daume]

I think many of us have had an experience where we cared much more about
the bike for a loved one than the loved one does. Maybe that’s where the
question was coming from.

Eric
Three kids, zero who care about bikes :(

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Doug, I was addressing Leah's response to John Hawrylak's question, not
> your posting.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question
>> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really
>> man?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>>>
>>> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength
>>> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of
>>> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>>>
>>> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't
>>> like.
>>>
>>> John
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John,
 Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.

 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for
 him that you would like to gift him?

 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused
 about the topic of the conversation?

 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was
 imposing my choices on my son?

 If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.

 If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman
 don’t have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate
 transportation.

 If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer.

 Leah

 On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW
 Owners Bunch  wrote:

 Leah


 I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

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 Ding! wrote:

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> 
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Doug, I was addressing Leah's response to John Hawrylak's question, not 
your posting.

John


On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> John,
> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
> man?
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>>
>> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
>> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of 
>> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>>
>> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't 
>> like.
>>
>> John 
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>>>
>>> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
>>> him that you would like to gift him?
>>>
>>> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
>>> the topic of the conversation?
>>>
>>> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
>>> imposing my choices on my son?
>>>
>>> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>>>
>>> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
>>> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
>>> transportation.
>>>
>>> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 
 
 Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long 
 time! But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
 younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 

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[RBW] Swift Industries running a 50% discount sale

[Ted W]

In case anyone here’s not subscribed to their mailing list, Swift
Industries currently has a 50% discount code active. I picked up a
Zeitgeist and Ardea bag with the code, in a nice shade of teal that should
pop nicely on the purple Appa!

Discount code is “summerofswift_50”

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

John,
I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
man?
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:

> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>
> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of 
> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>
> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't 
> like.
>
> John 
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>>
>> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
>> him that you would like to gift him?
>>
>> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
>> the topic of the conversation?
>>
>> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
>> imposing my choices on my son?
>>
>> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>>
>> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
>> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
>> transportation.
>>
>> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! 
>>> But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
>>> younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139 re: zip-ties & baskets

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, were the straps degrading, or were just broken, or cut, or?

John


On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:47:04 AM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

> Here's an oddity. I bought a couple of Voile straps for future use, around 
> 2019. I stored them atop the donut spare in our Forester. Last month, I 
> accessed the space and both straps were broken. Not a clean cut, but close 
> to it. I wouldn't suppose that it means anything for other users,  but that 
> is my report...
>
> So I tossed some other type of steap in there. I hope it holds up 
>
> EricF
> Golden Lake ON 
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 12:27 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>+1 for Voile straps for attaching baskets to racks. 
>> I haven't broken any wires on my baskets, but my zip-ties seem to break 
>> on their own. I used to find broken zip-ties sometimes when I did a quick 
>> bike & rack check before heading out. The zip-ties never broke while I was 
>> riding, but would expire in their sleep between rides. Switching zip-tie 
>> brands didn't help, and always parked my bike inside. 
>> I switched to Voile straps without any problems, and now it's quick to 
>> add or remove a basket in seconds any time I want.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings
>>> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what ppl 
>>> are using for a rack.
>>> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and 
>>> I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with 
>>> spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it 
>>> is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see 
>>> what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
>>> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have 
>>> used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have 
>>> any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong 
>>> enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear 
>>> of the bike though.
>>> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
>>> thanks
>>> JS
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.

John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of 
attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.

You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't 
like.

John 
On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> John,
> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>
> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
> him that you would like to gift him?
>
> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
> the topic of the conversation?
>
> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
> imposing my choices on my son?
>
> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>
> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
> transportation.
>
> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! 
>> But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
>> younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139 re: zip-ties & baskets

[Eric Floden]

Here's an oddity. I bought a couple of Voile straps for future use, around
2019. I stored them atop the donut spare in our Forester. Last month, I
accessed the space and both straps were broken. Not a clean cut, but close
to it. I wouldn't suppose that it means anything for other users,  but that
is my report...

So I tossed some other type of steap in there. I hope it holds up

EricF
Golden Lake ON

On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 12:27 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>+1 for Voile straps for attaching baskets to racks.
> I haven't broken any wires on my baskets, but my zip-ties seem to break on
> their own. I used to find broken zip-ties sometimes when I did a quick bike
> & rack check before heading out. The zip-ties never broke while I was
> riding, but would expire in their sleep between rides. Switching zip-tie
> brands didn't help, and always parked my bike inside.
> I switched to Voile straps without any problems, and now it's quick to add
> or remove a basket in seconds any time I want.
>
> John
>
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what ppl
>> are using for a rack.
>> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and I'm
>> considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with spending
>> $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it is..  I may
>> pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see what users of
>> the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
>> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have
>> used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have
>> any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong
>> enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear
>> of the bike though.
>> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
>> thanks
>> JS
>>
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[RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139 re: zip-ties & baskets

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   +1 for Voile straps for attaching baskets to racks. 
I haven't broken any wires on my baskets, but my zip-ties seem to break on 
their own. I used to find broken zip-ties sometimes when I did a quick bike 
& rack check before heading out. The zip-ties never broke while I was 
riding, but would expire in their sleep between rides. Switching zip-tie 
brands didn't help, and always parked my bike inside. 
I switched to Voile straps without any problems, and now it's quick to add 
or remove a basket in seconds any time I want.

John

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what ppl 
> are using for a rack.
> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and I'm 
> considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with spending 
> $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it is..  I may 
> pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see what users of 
> the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have 
> used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have 
> any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong 
> enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear 
> of the bike though.
> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
> thanks
> JS
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

[Bill Lindsay]

Andy Reed used three question marks:
1. regarding the fact that the 27F is hard to find: "Any insights on this?" 
 Nope.  I always bought mine from Alex's Cycle in Japan and even they don't 
have it
2. regarding the manufacturability: "Is it just an incredibly 
time-consuming rack, they only make a very small batch of them at a time?" 
 I'm sure it is time consuming, and I expect it's just low priority 
relative to other hot sellers.
3. Regarding the status of the 27F: "is the Campee 27F still the GROAT and 
worth the wait?  I think it is indeed the superior front rack.  Whether 
it's worth the wait depends on the person doing the waiting.  I think that 
the best way to run the 27F is with rectangular panniers that are designed 
to fit that same size and shape.  If you've already got "normal" looking 
panniers from Ortlieb or similar, I think that's a weird looking setup.  I 
personally have one pair of Ostrich and one pair of Carradice panniers to 
run on my small collection of these Nitto front and rear racks.  I've got 2 
of the 27F fronts, one of the more burly "Mt Campee" front I think they 
call that the 20F.  I've also got two of the 700c rears, the 27R (or is it 
R27?).  

The only way to do it better IMO is a custom that copies the setup but in 
lighter tubing or a more minimalist set of contact points designed around 
the bike.  Those top notch rack makers are in a class by themselves.  Off 
the shelf, the Nitto 27F is the business IMHO.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:44:22 AM UTC-7 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello group! 
> I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag 
> with the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area 
> rack (MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 
>
> Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
> from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
> that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
> The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
> might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it 
> also seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any 
> insights on this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only 
> make a very small batch of them at a time? 
>
> The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the 
> low-rider racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 
> or Tubus offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here 
> feels a difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider 
> panniers. 
>
> Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
> Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 
>
> - Andrew
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

[greenteadrinkers]

James at Analog had/has? a 27F for sale.

Best,
Scott

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Tubus Tara work well with ortlieb panniers that have stiff backs and a 
> slide-in plastic hook on the back. The angled pannier mounts with support 
> bars all around would should work better with floppier panniers or those 
> with simple bungee hooks.  The tubus don't always sit level with the Riv 
> forks.  You may need to flip the top rail upside-down.
>
> The Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack is similar to the 27F with angled 
> carriers, but they don't come off.  The VO rack has better system for 
> mounting a Rando bag, IMO.  
>
> Tom
> Reston, VA
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello group! 
>> I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag 
>> with the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area 
>> rack (MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 
>>
>> Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
>> from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
>> that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
>> The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
>> might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it 
>> also seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any 
>> insights on this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only 
>> make a very small batch of them at a time? 
>>
>> The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the 
>> low-rider racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 
>> or Tubus offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here 
>> feels a difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider 
>> panniers. 
>>
>> Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
>> Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

[Tom Wyland]

Tubus Tara work well with ortlieb panniers that have stiff backs and a 
slide-in plastic hook on the back. The angled pannier mounts with support 
bars all around would should work better with floppier panniers or those 
with simple bungee hooks.  The tubus don't always sit level with the Riv 
forks.  You may need to flip the top rail upside-down.

The Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack is similar to the 27F with angled 
carriers, but they don't come off.  The VO rack has better system for 
mounting a Rando bag, IMO.  

Tom
Reston, VA

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello group! 
> I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag 
> with the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area 
> rack (MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 
>
> Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
> from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
> that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
> The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
> might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it 
> also seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any 
> insights on this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only 
> make a very small batch of them at a time? 
>
> The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the 
> low-rider racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 
> or Tubus offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here 
> feels a difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider 
> panniers. 
>
> Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
> Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 
>
> - Andrew
>
>
>

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[RBW] Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

[Andrew Turner]

Hello group! 
I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag with 
the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area rack 
(MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 

Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it also 
seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any insights on 
this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only make a very 
small batch of them at a time? 

The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the low-rider 
racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 or Tubus 
offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here feels a 
difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider panniers. 

Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 

- Andrew


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[RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139

[Michael Baquerizo]

iphone + google groups = tons of typos.

what i meant to say is (and now i see its currently out of stock) buying my 
basket rack from blue lug was cheaper despite the crazy shipping price from 
JP. allowed me to add some throw ins and justify the shipping for those. 
i'd like not have purchased anything otherwise.

laing - do you find the velo orange anti - flop thing works better with it 
stretched out as you have it? i've never been too happy with its function 
but mine isnt stretched out as much as yours is. i've actually stretched it 
more since initially installing it and i don't know i see the difference.


On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Have you considered a couple of those inexpensive banjo brothers grocery 
> store panniers and a rear rack? You mentioned wanting to carry two grocery 
> bags worth of stuff or an equivalent haul from the farmer's market. I'm 
> just thinking would easily solve problems related to having of a lot of 
> weight above your wheel.
> Best,
> Scott
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:50:30 AM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>>
>> Not aure id this still works, but when i purchasedy basket rack, it was 
>> cheaper, even with shipping to get it frok  boue lug  the plus was any 
>> small afditionals hardly added to the shipping cost, so it justified some 
>> toss ins. i’d imagine the prices are still similar, but it seems like there 
>> are a nice bit of options from you to choose from anyway. 
>>
>> separately, laing, i see you’re using the cell orange anti flop thing. i 
>> have one as well but it isn’t stretched out half as much as yours. would 
>> you say it works optimally that way? i’ve never been a big fan of its 
>> function 
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:47:12 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for Pass and Stow racks.
>>>
>>> Old Man Mountain is now offering a wider platform Pizza Rack, but 
>>> haven't tried it.
>>>
>>> I would also recommend using the widest bars you're comfortable with for 
>>> riding with big front loads, but YMMV.
>>>
>>> Confession: I do not like big front loads.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
 Greetings
 I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what 
 ppl are using for a rack.
 I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and 
 I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with 
 spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it 
 is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see 
 what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
 I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have 
 used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have 
 any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong 
 enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear 
 of the bike though.
 Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
 thanks
 JS



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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

Leah,
It looks like the ole Betty Foy served you well during your sons' early 
years. Where is that bike now? I don't remember if you sold it or have it 
stashed away. And, doesn't time fly!?! We were looking at some old photos 
of my sons recently and reminiscing.
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 5:22:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> John,
> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>
> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
> him that you would like to gift him?
>
> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
> the topic of the conversation?
>
> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
> imposing my choices on my son?
>
> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>
> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
> transportation.
>
> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! 
>> But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
>> younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[J S]

Not close to you but I used Peter White on my last wheels and have been 
very pleased. He is meticulous. 

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:49:49 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
 either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
 had 
 wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
 coast and east coast respectively.

 I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
 Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
 Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
 of 
 my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
 couple 32s.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
> The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
> many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
> 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>


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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Leah Peterson]

John,Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for him that you would like to gift him?2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about the topic of the conversation?3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was imposing my choices on my son?If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate transportation.If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. LeahOn Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:LeahI might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at collegeJohn HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 



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