[RBW] FS: ORTLIEB Messanger Bag

[Kim H.]

I have an ORTLIEB messanger waterproof bag. My daughter won it in a bicycle 
commuter contest decades ago. It is brand new and never used. Between my 
daughter and I, we have no need for it. 

The measurements :
Closed from top to bottom - 14"
Width of the bag - 19"
Bottom width of the bag - 6 3/8"
Bottom length of the bag - 14"
With the front flap open - top to bottom - 23 1/2"

Pictures are here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DiqxeL8efC9hnS8Z7

$100.00, shipped.

Kim Hetzel. 

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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[John Dewey]

This is really old thread but I’ll chime in.

I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I
applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want
of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway.
Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old
Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop
surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of  in my pocket. YRMV,
but I’m happy.

Jock

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford 
wrote:

> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007
> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later
> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So
> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks
> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with
> love levers. Are they worth it?
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Michael Moore, Jr.]

Richard that's exactly what I did on a recent build. I used Paul Love
Levers paired with Shimano M750s on my mountain bike. They work great.

 I do run Paul Racer's on my Bleroit, but in 2007 they didn't seem like a
major splurge (or time has warped my view).



On Sun, Oct 8, 2023, 7:02 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Me, exactly! I did splurge on the Paul levers though.:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:33 PM, larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I go back and forth on buying Motolites to replace my Shimano V brakes. I
> love the look and know that the Paul's work great, but the Shimano brakes
> really work well. I have had to stop in an emergency and could lock up the
> rear wheel on dry pavement, and rode in bad conditions (rain, mud and grit)
> on a northern forest road recently and had no problems. Ultimately, the
> frugal Scandinavian/Midwest farmer in me has won out and I have resisted
> the urge (so far).
> Randy in WI
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Agreed James, I do NOT think Motolites and Shimano have the same
>> performance. But salmon pads are a hassle, I use these "ebike pads" I got
>> from Riv.
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20231007_114030.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:03:12 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Are Paul brakes worth the money? - in a word YES!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>>>
>>> After some wear, brake pads need to be re-toed in, because they will
>>> wear flat to the rim surface.  I suspect that will solve your problems.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:04 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 I would enjoy hearing the feedback from those folks, who have used
 Yokozuna brake pads verses Salmon Koolstop pads. Are they any better ? or ?

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:45:43 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout
 wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Salmon Koolstop pads stop well, but can be noisy, especially if they
> hit the rim flat or slightly toed out. It is possible/probable that after 
> 5
> months the pads have worn enough to change the way they hit the rim, and
> need to be adjusted a bit to be slightly toe-in.
>
> Julia Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> The brakes are cantilever with salmon pads. I assume that the are
>> properly mounted. The squawking began after about five months of riding. 
>> In
>> the beginning there was no noise.
>>
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That noise is typical of a he salmon pads that ship on Paul brakes.
>>> salmon pads stop really well but I’ve had several pair on different 
>>> bikes
>>> and different brake styles and after a bit they all started to make 
>>> noise
>>> no matter how I adjusted them. I’ve also found that Paul Motolites in
>>> particular do not like having racks mounted to them. This made any 
>>> existing
>>> brake noise multiples worse I assume due to the two sides being more 
>>> rigid
>>> mounted together allowing for different resonance to occur and generate
>>> more noise. This was particularly apparent on my Gus I assume due to its
>>> unique front end geometry.
>>>
>>> My opinion on the Paul Motolites is mixed. On the one hand, they’re
>>> beautiful and the quick release mechanism is nice compared to typical
>>> v-brakes with the noodle holding it all together. The adjustment 
>>> mechanism
>>> is also a work of arm and does make adjusting for different when sizes a
>>> bit nicer. However, I’m not sure they’re worth the money purely on the
>>> basis of function. To me they’re like a designer handbag. They make a 
>>> nice
>>> accessory when paired with other nice accessories and a good outfit they
>>> can be stunning. But at the end of the day, a $5 handbag holds stuff as
>>> well as a $300 handbag. My $30 Shimano Alivio v-brakes stop my Appaloosa
>>> just as well as the $300 Motolites on my Gus. But my Gus is my pretty 
>>> show
>>> bike that I take out on the town on a Sunny Saturday to get things at 
>>> the
>>> farmer’s market. My Appaloosa is my daily driver. I lock it up outside 
>>> of
>>> stores and restaurants and ride it, rain or shine, to work 5 days a 
>>> week.
>>> It’s still a nice bike but the parts on it are more utilitarian in 
>>> nature.
>>> The frame is the flashiest piece of kit on the whole bike and I like it
>>> that way.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:24 PM Julian Westerhout <
>>> weste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Bill,

 Which brakes are they?  Which pads are you using? Are they properly
 slightly toed in?

 Photos would help in making a diagnosis 

Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Richard Rose]

Me, exactly! I did splurge on the Paul levers though.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 8, 2023, at 7:33 PM, larson@gmail.com  wrote:I go back and forth on buying Motolites to replace my Shimano V brakes. I love the look and know that the Paul's work great, but the Shimano brakes really work well. I have had to stop in an emergency and could lock up the rear wheel on dry pavement, and rode in bad conditions (rain, mud and grit) on a northern forest road recently and had no problems. Ultimately, the frugal Scandinavian/Midwest farmer in me has won out and I have resisted the urge (so far).Randy in WIOn Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Agreed James, I do NOT think Motolites and Shimano have the same performance. But salmon pads are a hassle, I use these "ebike pads" I got from Riv. On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:03:12 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:Are Paul brakes worth the money? - in a word YES!On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Will Boericke  wrote:After some wear, brake pads need to be re-toed in, because they will wear flat to the rim surface.  I suspect that will solve your problems.WillOn Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:04 AM Kim H.  wrote:I would enjoy hearing the feedback from those folks, who have used Yokozuna brake pads verses Salmon Koolstop pads. Are they any better ? or ?Kim Hetzel.On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:45:43 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout wrote:Bill, Salmon Koolstop pads stop well, but can be noisy, especially if they hit the rim flat or slightly toed out. It is possible/probable that after 5 months the pads have worn enough to change the way they hit the rim, and need to be adjusted a bit to be slightly toe-in. Julia WesterhoutBloomington, IL On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:The brakes are cantilever with salmon pads. I assume that the are properly mounted. The squawking began after about five months of riding. In the beginning there was no noise.On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:That noise is typical of a he salmon pads that ship on Paul brakes. salmon pads stop really well but I’ve had several pair on different bikes and different brake styles and after a bit they all started to make noise no matter how I adjusted them. I’ve also found that Paul Motolites in particular do not like having racks mounted to them. This made any existing brake noise multiples worse I assume due to the two sides being more rigid mounted together allowing for different resonance to occur and generate more noise. This was particularly apparent on my Gus I assume due to its unique front end geometry.My opinion on the Paul Motolites is mixed. On the one hand, they’re beautiful and the quick release mechanism is nice compared to typical v-brakes with the noodle holding it all together. The adjustment mechanism is also a work of arm and does make adjusting for different when sizes a bit nicer. However, I’m not sure they’re worth the money purely on the basis of function. To me they’re like a designer handbag. They make a nice accessory when paired with other nice accessories and a good outfit they can be stunning. But at the end of the day, a $5 handbag holds stuff as well as a $300 handbag. My $30 Shimano Alivio v-brakes stop my Appaloosa just as well as the $300 Motolites on my Gus. But my Gus is my pretty show bike that I take out on the town on a Sunny Saturday to get things at the farmer’s market. My Appaloosa is my daily driver. I lock it up outside of stores and restaurants and ride it, rain or shine, to work 5 days a week. It’s still a nice bike but the parts on it are more utilitarian in nature. The frame is the flashiest piece of kit on the whole bike and I like it that way.On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:24 PM Julian Westerhout  wrote:Bill, Which brakes are they?  Which pads are you using? Are they properly slightly toed in? Photos would help in making a diagnosis -- but I doubt the squawking is due to the brakes themselves -- more likely to be pad type and/or setup. Julian WesterhoutBloomington, IL On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:I bought Paul brakes for my Atlantis and initially loved them. Now, however, they squawk like a stuck goose. I’ve cleaned the rims, sanded the pads but with no success. They were installed by a bike shop so I don’t think that’s the problem. It’s embarrassing to ride at times. I’m looking for suggestions to ease the noise. Thanks in advance. BillOn Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:58:13 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:I have a set of cantilevers and a set of center pulls, both purchased used off this list, I think.  What I really like about both sets is how easy it is to disconnect and re-connect the straddle cables making wheel removal and installation so much easier.  Even though I didn't pay full retail they were still quite pricey compared to what I had.  I don't regret my purchases at all.Bill SSan 

[RBW] Re: WTB: Shopsack

[Kim H.]

Hi Joe,
I have a yellow and black ORTLIEB messenger bag that is waterproof with 
lots of internal pockets for organization. It is brand new. I am not using 
it. My daughter won it for a commuter contest prize decades ago. She has no 
need for it, either. 

I'll post pictures, if you are interested. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:21:30 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The more beausaged the better, this isn't going on a lovely bicycle, it's 
> to carry all my stuff when I drive a bus all day and will see plenty of 
> abuse. Sell me one!* 
>
> *no size/color preference
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard 
>

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RE: [RBW] Rear rack for sport touring bike

[Bernard Duhon]

Thanks I am looking for a rack that allows a lower mounting that I can also use 
on my “real” touring bike with heavier loads.  Tubus has several models I am 
evaluating.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Patrick Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2023 7:32 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Rear rack for sport touring bike

The Tubus Fly at 420 grams and rated for 18 kg. I used them for years with no 
problems under 30 to 40 lb rear loads on road bikes.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 12:38 PM Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:


Planning a tour on my Sport touring bike.  98mm wheel base42.5 chain stay 
length
Under 30 pounds split 10 pd front & 20 pd rear

Need brain trust to recommend a rear rack.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

[Ted W]

Gonna say I’m also more a fan on the fillet brazed variant but I can
understand from a cost and production standpoint why they might have
switched, lugs being easier to produce with less skill (relatively
speaking). Shame, though. The fillet brazing on the Gus was one of the big
attractions to me. It really enhances that swoopy, flowy look to me.

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 3:28 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but
> it definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old
> lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A
> friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe
> evidence it was problematic for Maxway.
>
> On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus
>> would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than
>> connecting a few tubes with lug.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted
>>> off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>>
 Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube,
 where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[larson....@gmail.com]

I go back and forth on buying Motolites to replace my Shimano V brakes. I 
love the look and know that the Paul's work great, but the Shimano brakes 
really work well. I have had to stop in an emergency and could lock up the 
rear wheel on dry pavement, and rode in bad conditions (rain, mud and grit) 
on a northern forest road recently and had no problems. Ultimately, the 
frugal Scandinavian/Midwest farmer in me has won out and I have resisted 
the urge (so far).
Randy in WI

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Agreed James, I do NOT think Motolites and Shimano have the same 
> performance. But salmon pads are a hassle, I use these "ebike pads" I got 
> from Riv. 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20231007_114030.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:03:12 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Are Paul brakes worth the money? - in a word YES!
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>> After some wear, brake pads need to be re-toed in, because they will wear 
>> flat to the rim surface.  I suspect that will solve your problems.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:04 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> I would enjoy hearing the feedback from those folks, who have used 
>>> Yokozuna brake pads verses Salmon Koolstop pads. Are they any better ? or ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:45:43 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>>
 Bill, 

 Salmon Koolstop pads stop well, but can be noisy, especially if they 
 hit the rim flat or slightly toed out. It is possible/probable that after 
 5 
 months the pads have worn enough to change the way they hit the rim, and 
 need to be adjusted a bit to be slightly toe-in. 

 Julia Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 

 On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> The brakes are cantilever with salmon pads. I assume that the are 
> properly mounted. The squawking began after about five months of riding. 
> In 
> the beginning there was no noise.
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> That noise is typical of a he salmon pads that ship on Paul brakes. 
>> salmon pads stop really well but I’ve had several pair on different 
>> bikes 
>> and different brake styles and after a bit they all started to make 
>> noise 
>> no matter how I adjusted them. I’ve also found that Paul Motolites in 
>> particular do not like having racks mounted to them. This made any 
>> existing 
>> brake noise multiples worse I assume due to the two sides being more 
>> rigid 
>> mounted together allowing for different resonance to occur and generate 
>> more noise. This was particularly apparent on my Gus I assume due to its 
>> unique front end geometry.
>>
>> My opinion on the Paul Motolites is mixed. On the one hand, they’re 
>> beautiful and the quick release mechanism is nice compared to typical 
>> v-brakes with the noodle holding it all together. The adjustment 
>> mechanism 
>> is also a work of arm and does make adjusting for different when sizes a 
>> bit nicer. However, I’m not sure they’re worth the money purely on the 
>> basis of function. To me they’re like a designer handbag. They make a 
>> nice 
>> accessory when paired with other nice accessories and a good outfit they 
>> can be stunning. But at the end of the day, a $5 handbag holds stuff as 
>> well as a $300 handbag. My $30 Shimano Alivio v-brakes stop my Appaloosa 
>> just as well as the $300 Motolites on my Gus. But my Gus is my pretty 
>> show 
>> bike that I take out on the town on a Sunny Saturday to get things at 
>> the 
>> farmer’s market. My Appaloosa is my daily driver. I lock it up outside 
>> of 
>> stores and restaurants and ride it, rain or shine, to work 5 days a 
>> week. 
>> It’s still a nice bike but the parts on it are more utilitarian in 
>> nature. 
>> The frame is the flashiest piece of kit on the whole bike and I like it 
>> that way.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:24 PM Julian Westerhout  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, 
>>>
>>> Which brakes are they?  Which pads are you using? Are they properly 
>>> slightly toed in? 
>>>
>>> Photos would help in making a diagnosis -- but I doubt the squawking 
>>> is due to the brakes themselves -- more likely to be pad type and/or 
>>> setup. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>>
 I bought Paul brakes for my Atlantis and initially loved them. Now, 
 however, they squawk like a stuck goose. I’ve cleaned the rims, sanded 
 the 
 pads but with no success. They were installed by a bike shop so I 
 don’t 
 think 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Shop Misadventures

[Leah Peterson]

Thank you, Matt, that was kind. ♥️ The bike is still in the shop, but I *might* get it back tomorrow, which would be lovely as it is the Monday Night Ride. I have been riding my mermaid Shopping Platypus to the rides and boy, have I been getting comments. See, I stripped the Backabike bags, but realized, “Oh no. The Wald basket is still going to be there…” Showing up on your Platypus for the club ride is one thing, showing up on your basketed Platypus is quite another. Also, that bike is set up heavier and with harder gearing. I am working to keep up. But, I do keep up, and then I get a lot of backhanded compliments after the ride.LeahOn Oct 6, 2023, at 11:43 PM, matt miller  wrote:This is a wonderful story. No judgements from me. I think we are all lucky to share in your humility, graciousness and wonderful storytelling. I hope you get the pretty red Platy back soon.Matt in STLOn Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:46:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have a long and storied history of bike shop misadventures. If I heard my tales secondhand, I would believe that I, Leah Peterson, am the problem, as I am the common denominator. But I make you a solemn promise that I can’t see how. And I am gracious, even in the misadventures. But they always happen. You can count on it.There are 2 shops in town. One well-established, the one I always patronize. My bikes are oddballs there, but they never point that out. Great shop. Best I have had in years. I’ve had some misadventures there, but I caught the mistakes and the shop fixed them. Minor stuff. The other shop is in a downtrodden part of town, and they work on a lot of beater bikes. BUT, they know all about Bridgestone and Mount Tam and a little of Rivendell and they revere it all. My son’s Future College Clem was assembled by them, and the mechanic greased every bolt. He saw all the fine points of that frame and mentioned them. He even met Grant once at a conference/bike show. He took his time with the Clem and I really respected his work. That shop doesn’t work on a lot of high-end bikes, and they are eager to see beautiful steel bikes like Rivendells. The Racing Platy has a lot of miles on it by now. It needed: a tune-up, new chain, new cassette, possibly new tires, new brake pads, pedals rebuilt, and to be inspected for anything else. When you have a Lifetime Bike, you must keep it tip-top so it lasts. Because I wanted a thorough tune up, and because they had so fussed over our Clem, I called the shop and asked if they would service my Rivendell. “Don’t tempt ME with a good time!” Rob said.* (Rob is not his real name.) I drove there, wheeled the bike to the entrance and Rob and an employee are smoking something outside. Red flag number one. I feel an urge to turn on my heel. Maybe I’m mistaken; I decide to keep an open mind. We go inside. The mechanic who assembled our Clem is not here. The shop is in tatters as Rob is moving locations. The other man comes by with a pile of metal rods and nearly bashes them into my Platypus. I cringe. Rob says he’ll have the bike done in 48 hours. I’ve provided most of the parts, but will need cassette and chain. I ask him to keep the gearing I have - it’s my club ride bike and the gearing is perfect. No changes, please.Rob calls me on Wed to tell me he has this cassette laying around that isn’t the same but should work. I decline, telling him that the bike is DIALED. I agree to wait a couple days while he places an order. But I don’t hear from Rob. So, I call him today. Rob is nervous. Rob is apologetic. Rob has a sick kid and 400 interruptions. Rob has not gotten anything done. “I don’t know how to do tubeless,” he admits. “The guy I had coming to rebuild your pedals and do your tubeless didn’t show up. I have a buddy that I can call to come by and show me.” I panic. “No, no,” I say, “Just leave the tubeless and I’ll take care of it.” “I pulled the tires off,” he says, “So now we HAVE to do something about the tubeless.” My heart sinks and my mind spins. I want to race over and collect my disassembled bike. I can’t believe this shop owner has no formal training on tubeless and was going to invite his friends over to service mine.“Well,” I say, keeping my tone calm and measured, “How about you put on that rear cassette and then I’ll just get the bike the way it is and take it with me.” I figure this will let him keep some pride and earn a little money. I head to the shop wanting to die a thousand deaths because I have 2 miserable conversations before me: The first will be when I get to Rob’s shop. How much will he expect me to pay for his services? Will he have damaged my bike? Will he return all the parts I’ve left with him? The second will be facing the staff at “my” bike shop, admitting my unfaithfulness and asking them to fix what Rob has done. I decide I’m going to be gracious for the first conversation and humble for the second. Rob has my Platypus wrapped in foam and in the stand. He gets my naked rims back on my 

[RBW] WTB: Shopsack

[Joe Bernard]

The more beausaged the better, this isn't going on a lovely bicycle, it's 
to carry all my stuff when I drive a bus all day and will see plenty of 
abuse. Sell me one!* 

*no size/color preference

Thanks, 
Joe Bernard 

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[RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

[Jason Fuller]

I hadn't noticed this! I liked the fillet brazed junction better too but it 
definitely looked like a pain in the butt to fabricate. The new lug (old 
lug - I am sure Allan's right) does have a clean and tidy look too.  A 
friend's Platy has a pretty noticeable blem in the brazing too, maybe 
evidence it was problematic for Maxway. 

On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 06:54:04 UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus 
> would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than 
> connecting a few tubes with lug.
>
> Marc
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted 
>> off the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, 
>>> where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Keith Paugh]

Beautiful wildflowers Eric.You look like you were moving at a good a pretty good clip in that first shot.Glad to see you are feeling better!k.On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:42 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:Nice pictures David, Ted and Takashi! After a week of temps in the mid 80s we had perfect clear weather in the mid 60s yesterday. Just the first touch of rusting foliage down here in Virginia. I haven't been doing any of my nice mountain rides this summer and have been laid up for the past two weeks with shingles!! Yesterday was my first substantial outing in weeks, it was quite good. <231007 10 Sillhouette.jpg><231007 07 Appa fence.jpg><231007 05 Appa Pipsi.jpg>On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:48:44 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:Dave, thank you for starting the thread.Beautiful pictures as always. I'm looking forward to seeing your photos when leaves get more colorful.Keith, that looks like a wonderful place to ride around. And you silver Sam is so beautiful.Half month ago everyone around here was complaining about how hot it was, and now we're all complaining about how cold it is.Leaves aren't changing yet, but the top of Mt. Ontake is covered with snow now.Takashi2023年10月8日日曜日 1:16:21 UTC+9 Keith P.:Beautiful ride Dave. What incredible trees. Must have been a hoot!I had a pretty good one the other day before a heatwave switched us back to summer for another week or two.Final count: 11 deer, 6 bluejays, 2 Egret & 1 Tai Chi’ist in the middle of the road, around a blind corner. No brilliant leaf colors yet. Anything red in these photos is poison oak. Wall-to-wall poison oak, raising the stakes on unfamiliar single track decents.Keep the colorful ride coverage coming! Us west-coasters are dying to peep them leaves.- KeithSouthern California (visiting his Northern California parents in these pictures)On Oct 5, 2023, at 12:35 PM, DavidP  wrote:Carrying on with Ted's seasonal riding photos threads, it's now fall.Around here the leaves are starting to change, but today was summer-like in temperature; a beautiful day for a mostly roadish ride on a singlespeed.Looking forward to seeing where you all are riding this season.-Dave (near Boston)



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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, Clem was 2015. The bike that told Riv they could sell TIG'd - and 
later, fillet - frames and people would still love them. 

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Did clems precede roadinis?
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:45:38 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun 
>> to turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which 
>>> has since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 
>>> 650b/47cm, and a 700c/50cm
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 

 Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* 
 fully lugged? 

 Thanks again! 

 Jim

 On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:

 Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!

 -Rich

 On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
> believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
>> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s 
>> are 
>> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
>> one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
>> stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
>> was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
>> me 
>> some ideas!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>>> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
>>> than it was 10 years ago because…
>>> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with 
>>> the same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t 
>>> print the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a 
>>> wax 
>>> lug, which you can then cast in steel.
>>> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the 
>>> tubing.  If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only 
>>> have 
>>> lugs for a 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just 
>>> print 
>>> the correct lug.
>>>
>>> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
>>> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
>>> demanding 
>>> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

[Ryan]

Did clems precede roadinis?

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:45:38 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun to 
> turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
>> since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
>> and a 700c/50cm
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>>>
>>> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
>>> lugged? 
>>>
>>> Thanks again! 
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>>>
>>> -Rich
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>
 I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
 believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
> one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
> stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
> was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
> me 
> some ideas!
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>
>> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
>> than it was 10 years ago because…
>> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
>> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t 
>> print 
>> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
>> lug, 
>> which you can then cast in steel.
>> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
>> If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs 
>> for a 
>> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the 
>> correct 
>> lug.
>>
>> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
>> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
>> demanding 
>> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Kim H.]

Regarding the blue Clem in Allentown in New Jersey, the post has been 
changed from the previous post 
(https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10161071953267463=pcb.6317405558367824).
 
The owner of this Clem is 
*Rudy P. Stumpf* 
*.
 
*Rudy's seller is Kristoph Ross.  

Kim Hetzel ...dreaming of one day I will turn blue from being green. A 
frameset.
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 7:51:56 AM UTC-7 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: 379727662_6339791259481262_7880457818030357519_n.jpg]
>
> Clem L
> Size: ??? 
> $1,900
> Allentown, NJ
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7325635137465641/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>
> [image: 376226010_6632469743469220_8415369468516640499_n.jpg]
>
> Gus, f/f/hs
> Large
> $1,700
> Brooklyn, NY
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1051511792686527/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>
> [image: 00W0W_5Z8218M9U6y_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>
> Quickbeam
> "Large ~60cm"
> $1,250
> Washington, DC
>
>
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-1990-fat-chance-21-handmade/7673386935.html
>
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:37:21 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Quickbeam and 26in Atlantis on Portland CL…
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:15 PM Max Faingezicht  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great deal on a 60 SimpleOne in AZ:
>>>
>>> [image: 00c0c_iUm87mppNAd_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>>
>>> Rivendell - SimplOne frame 60cm - bicycle parts - by owner - bike sale - 
>>> craigslist 
>>> 
>>> tucson.craigslist.org 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Tempted but too many bikes, too little time.
>>>
>>> Hope someone here gets it
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2023, at 9:21 PM, Matthew Williams  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> CUSTOM
>>> 60cm
>>> 2500
>>> Belmont, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/belmont-rivendell-custom-beautiful-60cm/7658939306.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

[Eric Marth]

I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun to 
turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
> since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
> and a 700c/50cm
>
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>>
>> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
>> lugged? 
>>
>> Thanks again! 
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>>
>> -Rich
>>
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
>>> believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
 renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
 lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:

 

 Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
 one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
 stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
 was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
 me 
 some ideas!

 On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:

> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
> than it was 10 years ago because…
> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
> lug, 
> which you can then cast in steel.
> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
> If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for 
> a 
> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
> lug.
>
> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
> demanding 
> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Michelin shirts & Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

Hi Lenny — I'm glad you dig, thanks! The mediums and larges are gone 沈 
It's always hard to ride that line of meeting demand and not ending up with 
a bunch of unsold inventory. 

Still have a few S, XL, XXL and XXXL. 
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:32:06 PM UTC-4 Lenny wrote:

> Any medium t-hsirts left? These are fantastic. 
>
> Thanks,
> Lenny
> Boston, MA
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:43:49 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> Hi all — I made a batch of Michelin shirts based on a poster from 1905. 
>> They're printed on Bayside tees made in the USA and printed in Richmond, 
>> Virginia by Triple Stamp Press. $30 plus shipping, sizes from Small through 
>> Extra Extra Extra Large. 
>>
>> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>>
>> [image: Michelin 01.jpg]
>>
>>
>> I also got some more Suntour hats made, this time using an earlier 
>> version of the Suntour logo. Embroidered on Adams LP101 ivory blanks by 
>> Crewel & Unusual in Richmond, Virginia. One size fits some. 
>>
>> Available here: https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>>
>> [image: Suntour 01.jpg]
>>
>> Rather than doing direct sales please order thru the Big Cartel link. 
>> Managing all the email sales is a miniature nightmare! If you're 
>> international and see crazy shipping fees please reach out. 
>>
>> And apologies for the double post, I put a note up here a few days ago 
>> before I had my online store sorted. I always seem to screw things up with 
>> that! 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Eric 
>>
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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

[Dorothy C]

Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
and a 700c/50cm


On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>
> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
> lugged? 
>
> Thanks again! 
>
> Jim
>
> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
>
> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>
> -Rich
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to believe 
>> these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
>>> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
>>> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, one 
>>> that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for stuff 
>>> like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i was 
>>> thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave me 
>>> some ideas!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>>>
 I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame than 
 it was 10 years ago because…
 You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
 same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
 the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax lug, 
 which you can then cast in steel.
 Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
 If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for 
 a 
 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
 lug.

 Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
 required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
 demanding 
 as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.


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[RBW] Re: New Platypus Lug

[Marc Irwin]

Cost was probably involved.  The fillet brazing on the original Platypus 
would be very time consuming and more difficult in a factory setting than 
connecting a few tubes with lug.

Marc

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:25 PM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 0F3B224F-E805-48D6-9A22-8F51C4323F9C.jpeg]Perhaps they dusted off 
> the Betty Foy/Yves Gomez lug…
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
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>> Looks like the new run of Platy's are getting a lugged top/seat tube, 
>> where as the previous models were welded. Very nice.
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations on a budget 700c wheelset?

[Garth]

QBP offers some machine built wheels with Cliffhangers, front and rear, 130 
or 135mm, and in silver even. They call them the Value Series HD wheels and 
have offered them for quite awhile now. The Shimano hubs are Acera or 
Alivio. 

https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=105455=245
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 8:19:50 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only flaw with that plan is the OP's stated desire for a 10 speed or 
> greater hub -- not going to find that on a '90s hybrid.   :( 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 8:40:41 AM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Do they have to be new?
>> Find a good used late-90s hybrid at your LBS or on Craigslist.  You can 
>> probably find one for less than $200.
>> But it.  Take the wheels.
>>
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