[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Johnny Alien]

I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
(and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
fantastic in that color. 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:

> Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going to 
> be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's Platypus 
> Day tomorrow:)
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of completes 
>> for sale but only 24 frames.
>>
>> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>>
>> Who is getting one?
>>
>> What color?
>>
>> What plans for the bike?
>>
>> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
>> comfortable. Plenty fast. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] 2.25 Thunder Burt on a Platypus?

[Stephen]

Hey Justin,

I have a set of 2.25 schwalbe g-ones sitting around if you want to do a 
test fit. Not quite as knobby so maybe not informative enough. Fit fine on 
my appaloosa w cliffhangers, again not a perfect comparison. 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:58:34 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I have a bike with a 29x2.25 Thunder Burt on an i29mm rim, on which the 
> casing measures wider than the knobs and is 56mm / 2.2" @ ~20psi. Variances 
> in individual tires aside that should be a good max as the Cliffhangers are 
> i25mm. I'm pretty sure this would work on my Platypus (60cm) if I didn't 
> have fenders installed which limit me to a 50mm tire.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 5:54:37 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>> FWIW, the April 28 email newsletter featured a 60cm web special platy 
>> with 2.3" Teravail Ehlines. Will said: "It clears easily, although I 
>> wouldn't go any bigger. I suspect these tires are measured knob to knob, 
>> because calipers showed them as closer to 2.1 than 2.3. Still good!"
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I would say it isn’t likely. I have the Soma Cazadero 700x50mm on my 
>>> wife’s 55 with Cliffhanger rims and there is no room to spare. 
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No specific experience mounting that combo but I can tell you that 
 2.25" tires on Cliffhanger rims, for me, measured 60mm. If you've got 
 calipers, you could check the spacing between tubes and get an idea from 
 that.

 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 10:04 AM Justin Kennedy  
 wrote:

> I know it's beyond the official max tire size but wondering if anyone 
> has experience with big ol' tires on your Platy. Specifically, a 29'er 
> 2.25 
> Thunder Burt (mounted on a Cliffhanger) on a 60cm Platypus. Thanks!  
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[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[SallyG]

Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going to be 
tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's Platypus Day 
tomorrow:)

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of completes 
> for sale but only 24 frames.
>
> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>
> Who is getting one?
>
> What color?
>
> What plans for the bike?
>
> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
> comfortable. Plenty fast. 
>
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of completes 
for sale but only 24 frames.

Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 

Who is getting one?

What color?

What plans for the bike?

I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
comfortable. Plenty fast. 

Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/riv stuff

[Stephen]

Kickstand sold!

Just the handlebars left.

Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, i 
love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)

Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but has a 
few tape spots) 
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> Pedals and stem are sold.
>
> handlebars and kickstand still available.
>
> Thanks!
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:58:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Sale Pending on the Pedals and the Stem!
>>
>> No interest in the handlebars or kickstand yet
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Cannot believe that FacePlater has not been snapped up. Best stem ever @ 
>>> a great price & getting very hard to find. Did you post pics? That always 
>>> seems to help.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 13, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>>
>>> Throwing out a bump, I've had no interest on anything, maybe its the 
>>> wrong time of year to sell parts? I'm open to offers.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Got a few items I'm not using and don't see myself needing anymore. 
 Hopefully some of yall could use this stuff.

 Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, 
 i love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)

 Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but 
 has a few tape spots) 

 Nitto Fillet Faceplater 135mm 225 quill - $120 + shipping (basically 
 new, i dry installed on a build once and otherwise its been sitting, never 
 ridden)

 MKS Bear traps black/silver - $30 bucks + shipping, (or less make me an 
 offer, these didnt get nibbled the last time i posted.. seriously if 
 you're 
 at all interested shoot me a message) (a little dirty, but only lived on a 
 bike for a month or two)

 Pletscher Single leg kickstand - $10 + shipping (used for a month or 
 two, feel like a two leg would work better for my appaloosa)

 I'm located in NYC, if you're nearby we can maybe arrange local handoff.

 thanks for looking,

 Stephen

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Re: [RBW] Carrying groceries on your bike

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the background, Brian. The Schwinn looks like the idea beater
grocery bike and if your shopping route includes that background you
certainly make a chore into a pleasant outing.

I tried big front baskets on a couple of bikes but failed to reinforce the
very inadequate Wald hardware and so got poor results. I did try a big and
stiff and heavy porteur rack on the front of a 1958 low trail Herse (far
from being a collectors' item this was an orphan rejected by 2 previous
owners including Jan Heine who brought it in from France; tubing too thick
or something. More below*) with a big custom bag for the rack, but with the
sorts of grocery weights I often carry -- 30 or 35 lb is common, I've
carried up to 50 lb -- even the Herse complained. I went back to rear loads
which my Rivendell road bikes and various old road/racing frames handled
with decorum and even aplomb. But if I were riding just a couple of miles
to the store and had to lock a bike up outside (I wheel mine inside to use
as shopping carts) I'd want a beater like that Schwinn.

*For me, very much the contrary. I don't know if it was planing, but it was
one of the rare bikes that made me cruise in a cog 1 tooth smaller. But
while it pedaled very well, it didn't handle my kind of loads well, *and* the
damning factor was that I didn't particularly like the handling, loaded or
unloaded. It wasn't horrible, it just felt rather vague and uninteresting
compared to so many other bikes available to me; so I sold it to someone
who really was glad to get it.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 6:43 PM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It’s been a long time since I’ve actually front loaded the Clem.  Not
> because I felt it handled so poorly or anything, more because I just
> decided to put baskets on other bikes to fulfill hauling and errand running
> needs and was more or less at a peak for parts swapping among various
> projects at the time.  I ended up trading away not only the rack but also
> the Bosco bars and stem pictured so just never circled back to front
> loading the Clem once I parted ways with the Surly rack.  The Clem also
> later evolved into a front child seat dad bike with rear rack added for
> those small OYB panniers.  My Clem currently has a Nitto mini 32f Campee
> with just a battery light attached up front and still debating whether to
> go with a small bag or basket on top.
>
> To properly answer your question, however, I do want to say it seemed ok
> at speed but definitely cumbersome during turns and low speed maneuvers.
> Even unloaded the Surly rack and crate combo had a noticeable feel with
> steering.  Not in a bad way but certainly more noticeable than with a 2yr
> old in a stem mounted front seat where the added weight in line with the
> steering column seemed to more or less cancel itself out in use.
>
> I honestly think the wheel flop (when parked and loading/unloading)
> bothered me a bit more than the impact on steering when in motion.  Once I
> acquired that XL Raleigh frame with locking fork crown I quickly made that
> a front loader basket bike with a large Wald to take advantage of the fork
> lock and fully eliminate those sudden, loaded wheel flops.
>
> I’ve since moved that same Wald 139 basket to this Schwinn (finally
> snapped a pic of this current build earlier today when sneaking out for a
> quick loop.)  This setup certainly begs to be lowered/centered more and
> better reinforced due to a somewhat flimsy bar attachment because of how I
> adapted the original bar brackets to fit offset brackets and increase bar
> to basket drop on the Raleigh.  Basically there’s extra play in the
> extended drop causing some basket wobble, so I haven’t really loaded this
> up with too much weight since changing bikes.
>
> To clarify what I mean by adapting the brackets; I bought this basket
> locally at a discount as it was missing some of the hardware that would
> usually be included.  I first installed it on a bike for my wife but she
> determined she no longer wanted or needed such a large basket so to the
> parts box it went.  I wanted to use it on the taller Raleigh pictured
> earlier but the stock brackets made the basket sit both too high from the
> wheel and too close to the bars than desired (plus I had cut down the
> original struts for my wife’s installation so needed longer struts as
> well.)  I ended up buying a mounting kit for a Wald giant delivery basket
> to get new adjustable struts plus the offset L brackets.  Then I hammered
> out and flattened the stock U shaped bar brackets and bolted these at full
> length to the L brackets to get the bar drop and reach needed with the
> short reach but extended quill stem.  This worked great on the Raleigh
> shown but on the current Chocomoose & Schwinn build the reach of the
> Chocomoose cancels out the offset of the L brackets but still needed some
> of the extra drop so I flipped and rotated the entire assembly until the
> basket leveled.  It’s all 

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Garth]

So it appears Max the Rawland is actually 59cm, center to top, 57.5mm 
center to center. So it's just shy of your Ram. Not an issue. I compared 
the two and if someone asked me if it's a suitable fit based on their 
comparable Ram size, I'd have to say yes. 

The Ram is a mere 13mm higher in stack height, center of the BB to the 
horizontal center-top of the head tube. 
The reach is within 3mm, so negligible . 
The Rawland has a 1/2 degree steeper seat tube angle, which accounts for 
like 6-7mm more forward placement of the top center of the seat tube in 
relation to the center BB, but I recall you don't have your saddles slammed 
all the way back so you have plenty of room on the rails. 

Head tube angles are the same 73d and the upsloping TT is within 1/2d. 
BB drop is within 2mm. 
The Rawland link says it's 35mm max tire, 700c. That's a perfectly "fat" 
road tire. 
The trail though is only 29mm, that's 70mm of fork rake ! Wow. 

 
https://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html

Bikeinsights doesn't have images for the two frames, but the numbers alone 
tells the story. 

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5c1bfbe96aaa140017a7c684,5c55ee6e40d7a00017e4e2d

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[MCT]

Max,

If the nut goes into the brake bridge or fork it is recessed.  If the nut 
sits on the brake bridge or fork, then it is nutted.

Matt in OKC

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 4:36:23 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> I just saw the R559 on VO, thanks for the tip, at $38 it's worth it even 
> if I end up reverting back to my 700 setup.
>
> If I were to go down the R559 path, do I need recessed mount or the 
> traditional nylock nutted mount for the Ram? I never know these things.
>
> Thanks
> Max
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:11:48 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> You would probably need Paul Racers, or some other long reach caliper 
>> like the tektro r559 (which is on major sale at velo orange right now i 
>> think). The medium racers would theoretically fit 700c rims on the ram.
>>
>> Sounds like a good plan Max. I feel like I tend to get caught up 'chasing 
>> the dragon', always wanting, unrelenting bike desire. Switching things up 
>> on the current bike tends to scratch the itch for me, at least for a little 
>> while.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:37:15 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
 Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
 my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, 
 with 
 stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a 
 bike 
 that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
 exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
 stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.

 But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.

 On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
 wrote:

> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>
>
> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
> who 
> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike 
> he’s 
> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>
> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
> make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
> the Ram which would be the one to go? 
>
> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds 
> with no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>
> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
> don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about 
> the 
> LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
> options 
> on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
> the 
> middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
> weight 
> or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>
> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to 
> replace my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I 
> can 
> get a more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though 
> I 
> love it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from 
> my 
> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts
>
> Max
>
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[maxcr]

Stephen,

I just saw the R559 on VO, thanks for the tip, at $38 it's worth it even if 
I end up reverting back to my 700 setup.

If I were to go down the R559 path, do I need recessed mount or the 
traditional nylock nutted mount for the Ram? I never know these things.

Thanks
Max

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:11:48 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> You would probably need Paul Racers, or some other long reach caliper like 
> the tektro r559 (which is on major sale at velo orange right now i think). 
> The medium racers would theoretically fit 700c rims on the ram.
>
> Sounds like a good plan Max. I feel like I tend to get caught up 'chasing 
> the dragon', always wanting, unrelenting bike desire. Switching things up 
> on the current bike tends to scratch the itch for me, at least for a little 
> while.
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:37:15 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
>>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
>>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, with 
>>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a bike 
>>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>>
>>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
 become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust


 I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
 review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
 who 
 owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s 
 ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.

 Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
 make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
 the Ram which would be the one to go? 

 How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
 no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
 although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.

 Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
 don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the 
 LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
 options 
 on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
 the 
 middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
 weight 
 or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
 occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.

 The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
 my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
 more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
 it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
 Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.

 Thanks for your thoughts

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[maxcr]

Thanks again for the latest comments. I realized I had a mistake on the 
650b tires I have to try out, they are Loup Loup Pass not Bon Jon Pass 
tires.

Coal Bee Rye Anne, new tires for the Ram is an easy first step and probably 
the way to go. I hadn't considered my 180 cranks might be a problem if I go 
with a 650b wheel conversion and I really don't want to swap out the 
cranks. I had found a couple of used Bon Jon Pass but in standard casing 
for $100 and I'm wondering if it's worth trying those or should I splurge 
for new ones with the extra light casing to make the difference/contrast a 
bit more stark?

Patrick from an old thread 
 
FullyLugged 
said: "The Ram came as a complete with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires.  It 
will also fit fenders with this tire.  Without fenders, the Pasela 1 1/2" 
fits easily. This applies to both the 622 and 559 rim editions, EXCEPT for 
the early orange batch that came in with the rear brake bridge in too low. 
 The 622 converts nicely to 584 with bigger tires and the 559 can also run 
571 wheels with smaller max tire sizes."

I think my orange one has the rear brake bridge limitation though. 

Garth, thanks for your comments and I think you might be spot on. Maybe I 
need to try something "radically" different only to find out that what I 
had is what I always wanted, or perhaps that a completely different flavor 
is fun to change things up. Oh and I am aware of the front load 
"requirement" of low trail bikes and was planning to run either a BagsxBird 
front bag with a Shovel Research Rod Steward or a Nitto front rack with a 
basket on it. As for trying a different fork on the Ram, I don't think I 
want to go in that direction - thanks for the thought though. Also, thanks 
for sending over the Nordavinden. Hard to tell with fit, I'm no pro and 
always find it hard to find a good fit given my long legs for my height. I 
think the XL is probably a better size for my 90.5 pbh but I could probably 
make that 58 fit with stem/saddle adjustments. I'm just unsure I'm ready to 
start investigating and learning about another brand. If I buy something, 
I'm pretty set on the Crust LB.

What's clear to me now is that I should sell or trade the Ram just yet. I 
have limited time these days, so we'll see when I get around to making some 
of the changes we've discussed.

Max


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 3:44:10 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Max, While I initially thought trying out different forks or tires may 
> satisfy, I think it's entirely possible your just "branded out" on the 
> Rivendell design and the so-called "handling" characteristics, whatever the 
> heck that means if anything. You know, like too many chocolate bars from 
> the same factory ! 
>
> So I'd be inclined to say yeah, try a whole new take on "the bicycle" from 
> someone else, and in doing so you just might find you see and experience 
> the Riv's you have in a different way, or be inspired to change something 
> about how they're fitted. I wouldn't necessarily sell the Ram unless/until 
> you were sure you like whatever frame you got. Even then, after trying 
> something else, it may spark something creative to do with Ram. Maybe the 
> bars, maybe your positioning, who's to say at this point. I know I'm set to 
> put some  low positioned Zipp XPLR drop bars on my Bombadil with a narrow 
> road saddle. Since going back to low drop bars on my Franklin custom, 
> getting a nice narrow road saddle and moving it very far forward from where 
> it had been, when I hop on the Bomba it feels awkward and unrideable the 
> way it's setup currently. How you're positioned on a bike can have quite an 
> effect on how it feels and handles. 
>
> I can't say the Crust frame you mentioned in good choice for you or not as 
> I know nothing of them. Also, it's been mentioned here how low trail bikes 
> like a front load of some kind, I assume you knew this and are okay with it 
> ?  Also, you needn't get a low trail bike for a completely different 
> handing/ride/fun experience. The difference between my Bomba and Franklin 
> are so totally different, and the Franklin is very much in the "neutral" 
> handling category with a much higher BB, which is my preference. Yes, I 
> feel a little more "atop" of the frame and I like it that way, it's like 
> sitting atop a fine race horse, hell yeah, giddy up and go horsey !  In 
> that vein, in a relative whim after working out the specs I bought a VO 
> Rando frame during it's presale. I can't speak to how it rides as it's 
> still in the box, but I look forward to hopping on that race horse too :)  
> Point being, there's lots of chocolate bar factories to choose from ! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Garth]

Hey Max, does this fit you ? I just saw it on Bike Recyclery for $599. 
https://bikerecyclery.com/58cm-l-rawland-nordavinden-frameset-navy-chris-king-nothreadset-700c-barely-ridden-near-mint/


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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[lconley]

Obviously, the saddle and grips must match. I have a Brooks Honey saddle 
and honey bar tape for my Custom.
I seem to remember something about not wearing white after Labor Day...

Secondarily, when I bought my 1st Rivendell Sam Hillborne it had a 27.2 
seapost, when I bought my 2nd Sam Hillborne it had a 26.8 seatpost, same 
outer diameter - 28.6. The 26.8 uses 0.9 thick tube and the 27.2 uses 0.7 
thick tube. Then there is the Bombadil with 0.8 thick tube and a 27.0 
seatpost (same as the Guv'nor). At one time, Grant obviously thought that 
0.7 was thick enough. I honed the Bombadil out to 27.15 or so with an 
automotive brake cylinder hone, so that I could use the Nitto Lugged 
seatpost. It took may hours and two sets of honing stones. I have since 
purchased a 27.2 reamer that I haven't used yet, but I cannot image it 
taking over an hour, or even half an hour to do the deed. Prep will take 
longer - removing the crank and bottom bracket and cleaning out the seat 
tube and re-coating with Boeshield.

Laing

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 3:48:50 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> For the record, I think I was the first person that mentioned it and I 
> certainly didn't think it would take us down this whole path. :)
>
> I apologize for causing a distraction. I myself have not had it done (nor 
> do I want to) and was not really suggesting it, it was just a comment back 
> to Leah casually wishing that it took a 27.2 to increase the setback stem 
> options available to her. I know that others here have said they have done 
> it.
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
>> conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
>> size.
>>
>> Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
>> except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
>> model and size.
>>
>> But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
>> thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
>>  
>> Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
>> of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
>> the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.
>>
>> From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
>> single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
>> mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
>> Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
>> mm wall thickness. 
>>
>> I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
>> believe it. 
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! 
>>> And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
>>> happen! No pressure or anything. 😬"
>>>
>>> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I 
>>> do not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on 
>>> luggage.  :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though 
>>> I am plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that 
>>> service performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the 
>>> tool and know how to use it.  
>>>
>>> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
>>> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
>>> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
>>> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
>>> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
>>> labor, would you want to do it?  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John, 
 My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. 
 Now that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new 
 grips sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of 
 being cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was 
 one of those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would 
 have chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate 
 so 
 keep 1000 things on my bars!

 Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would 
 trust you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had 
 the tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 😬

 Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat 
 post deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 🙃

 Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Ryan]

Think I was the one to mention the seatpost and I apologize for opening
a wound when the real point was Leah's new saddle and those snazzy
grips

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 2:48:50 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> For the record, I think I was the first person that mentioned it and I 
> certainly didn't think it would take us down this whole path. :)
>
> I apologize for causing a distraction. I myself have not had it done (nor 
> do I want to) and was not really suggesting it, it was just a comment back 
> to Leah casually wishing that it took a 27.2 to increase the setback stem 
> options available to her. I know that others here have said they have done 
> it.
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
>> conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
>> size.
>>
>> Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
>> except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
>> model and size.
>>
>> But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
>> thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
>>  
>> Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
>> of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
>> the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.
>>
>> From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
>> single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
>> mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
>> Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
>> mm wall thickness. 
>>
>> I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
>> believe it. 
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! 
>>> And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
>>> happen! No pressure or anything. 😬"
>>>
>>> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I 
>>> do not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on 
>>> luggage.  :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though 
>>> I am plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that 
>>> service performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the 
>>> tool and know how to use it.  
>>>
>>> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
>>> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
>>> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
>>> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
>>> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
>>> labor, would you want to do it?  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John, 
 My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. 
 Now that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new 
 grips sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of 
 being cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was 
 one of those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would 
 have chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate 
 so 
 keep 1000 things on my bars!

 Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would 
 trust you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had 
 the tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 😬

 Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat 
 post deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 🙃

 Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
 RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.

 Leah

 On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
 Owners Bunch  wrote:

 A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback 
 (approx 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD 
 to be full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not 
 have the setback she needs.


 The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
 postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat 
 tube 
 to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
 of the seat tube??

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ


 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wro

Re: [RBW] Carrying groceries on your bike

[Patrick Moore]

How did the Clem handle with all that weight in the front, especially so
much of it so high? I've never been able to carry more than about 20 lb
comfortably (wrt handling) in the  Rivendells I've owned.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:38 PM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Many impressive bike (and scooter!) hauling examples here.  Going through
> some photo archives I’ve dug up some of my own hauling builds.
>
> One of my early Clem H builds with Surly front rack and crate.
>
> Raleigh Sports 3-speed preparing for Three-speed October ‘16.
>
> My ‘upsized’ Raleigh replacement basket bike from two autumns ago.  Now in
> basket less go-fast mode.
>
> Brian Cole
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Johnny Alien]

For the record, I think I was the first person that mentioned it and I 
certainly didn't think it would take us down this whole path. :)

I apologize for causing a distraction. I myself have not had it done (nor 
do I want to) and was not really suggesting it, it was just a comment back 
to Leah casually wishing that it took a 27.2 to increase the setback stem 
options available to her. I know that others here have said they have done 
it.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
> conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
> size.
>
> Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
> except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
> model and size.
>
> But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
> thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
>  
> Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
> of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
> the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.
>
> From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
> single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
> mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
> Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
> mm wall thickness. 
>
> I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
> believe it. 
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! 
>> And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
>> happen! No pressure or anything. 😬"
>>
>> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I 
>> do not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on 
>> luggage.  :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though 
>> I am plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that 
>> service performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the 
>> tool and know how to use it.  
>>
>> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
>> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
>> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
>> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
>> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
>> labor, would you want to do it?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John, 
>>> My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. 
>>> Now that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new 
>>> grips sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of 
>>> being cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was 
>>> one of those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would 
>>> have chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate so 
>>> keep 1000 things on my bars!
>>>
>>> Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would 
>>> trust you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had 
>>> the tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 😬
>>>
>>> Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat post 
>>> deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 🙃
>>>
>>> Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
>>> RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>>
>>> A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
>>> 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
>>> full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
>>> the setback she needs.
>>>
>>>
>>> The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
>>> postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
>>> to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
>>> of the seat tube??
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
 subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
 perspective: 
 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ

 Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done 
>>

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Garth]

Max, While I initially thought trying out different forks or tires may 
satisfy, I think it's entirely possible your just "branded out" on the 
Rivendell design and the so-called "handling" characteristics, whatever the 
heck that means if anything. You know, like too many chocolate bars from 
the same factory ! 

So I'd be inclined to say yeah, try a whole new take on "the bicycle" from 
someone else, and in doing so you just might find you see and experience 
the Riv's you have in a different way, or be inspired to change something 
about how they're fitted. I wouldn't necessarily sell the Ram unless/until 
you were sure you like whatever frame you got. Even then, after trying 
something else, it may spark something creative to do with Ram. Maybe the 
bars, maybe your positioning, who's to say at this point. I know I'm set to 
put some  low positioned Zipp XPLR drop bars on my Bombadil with a narrow 
road saddle. Since going back to low drop bars on my Franklin custom, 
getting a nice narrow road saddle and moving it very far forward from where 
it had been, when I hop on the Bomba it feels awkward and unrideable the 
way it's setup currently. How you're positioned on a bike can have quite an 
effect on how it feels and handles. 

I can't say the Crust frame you mentioned in good choice for you or not as 
I know nothing of them. Also, it's been mentioned here how low trail bikes 
like a front load of some kind, I assume you knew this and are okay with it 
?  Also, you needn't get a low trail bike for a completely different 
handing/ride/fun experience. The difference between my Bomba and Franklin 
are so totally different, and the Franklin is very much in the "neutral" 
handling category with a much higher BB, which is my preference. Yes, I 
feel a little more "atop" of the frame and I like it that way, it's like 
sitting atop a fine race horse, hell yeah, giddy up and go horsey !  In 
that vein, in a relative whim after working out the specs I bought a VO 
Rando frame during it's presale. I can't speak to how it rides as it's 
still in the box, but I look forward to hopping on that race horse too :)  
Point being, there's lots of chocolate bar factories to choose from ! 

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Re: [RBW] WTB/ISO New or Used Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur

[Caroline Golum]

I've considered converting to a double in the front - only problem is I 
don't remember if my Sugino crank is a single or double because the build 
was so long ago
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:04:04 PM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I do prefer 2x for bikes that see pavement.  As a winter project thought 
> experiment, I built a bike with 46/26 x 11-28.  The double 1x setup is 
> pretty awesome - I have a climbing set of gears and a cruising set of 
> gears.  I still get plenty low with 26-28, 650b wheels and 175mm cranks.  
> It does require a long cage RD though.
>
> Will
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 4:54 PM Drew Saunders  wrote:
>
>>
>> How much do you like the 1 and 2T hops of the 11-28? If you find yourself 
>> shifting 2 or more cogs often, then a very wide range cassette might be a 
>> better fit, but if you like the fine tuning of your 11-28, then maybe it’s 
>> time for a front derailleur.
>>
>> I went from 3x9, 24-36-46 with 11-23 to a “one by with bailout gears” 
>> setup: 26-42 with a 11-28 11 speed. I really do use the 42 as a 1X most 
>> rides, and only shift the FD if I’m climbing a big hill, which turns out to 
>> be about 1 ride in 4, or so. Plus, I’ll often only use the FD twice in a 
>> ride, one down and one up shift. I may even replace my left Silver bar end 
>> with a downtube shift lever instead. My physiology puts my left knee (but 
>> not my right) awfully close to the handlebar end when I stand while riding, 
>> so I have bumped the shifter once or twice a year.
>>
>> A 30-46 with your 11-28 would let you keep what you have for some (most?) 
>> of your riding, and give you a bailout chainring. A 30x28 is functionally 
>> about the same as a 46x44.
>>
>> Drew
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 12:38:15 PM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> Currently running a 1x10 right now: 46T crank in the front with the 
>>> aforementioned 11-28T in the rear, and non-indexed shifting friction 
>>> shifting on the bar end. I'm looking at a 10 or 11 spd cassette in the 
>>> 11-36T or 44T range. Trying to avoid redoing the whole drivetrain with a 
>>> 2x9 or 2x10 setup, but not entirely opposed to it.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 11:06:12 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Are you running friction shifting, and how big of a cassette will you 
 go? Those will help determine what derailer you can run. 

 Eric

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Caroline Golum  
 wrote:

> Hey RBOBs,
>
> The time has finally come for a new rear derailleur! And this time I’d 
> like to expand my gear ratio, ideally without having to replace my single 
> crank with a double. My new favorite mechanic (shoutout to Damon at Nomad 
> Cycles) suggested I switch to the Deore XT (I’m running a 105 with 11-28T 
> right now)
>
> Now here’s my question: given the overall decline in quality 
> for.,…..everything on planet earth…….should I get a new rear derailleur 
> or 
> hunt around on here/EBay for something a little older (not by much, c. 
> 2009 
> or so).
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Garth]

Coal Bee Rye Anne,  I was going to mention the Soma low trail fork too, but 
then I checked the stock and it's still not in stock and hasn't been for at 
least the 8-9 months I have been checking. The disc version is in stock 
however, so I doubt it has anything to do with supply issues for the 
threaded versions. It seems there are some items or sizes of items they no 
longer stock but aren't deleted from the system for whatever reason. I 
found this out by emailing them as the availability of an item. 


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Re: [RBW] Carrying groceries on your bike

[Matthew Williams]

Not a Rivendell or even a bike, but here’s a guy who got creative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27InrF_eIs
Man picks up Groceries on a Scooter!
youtube.com



> On Oct 17, 2023, at 2:00 PM, Kaveh Askari  wrote:
> 
> Strapping technique for when you go to the junk shop to pick up a couple of 
> buckets, and you find a working rowing machine for cheap. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:28:42 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
> 
> 
> I know this probably has been discussed before.
> 
> If you use your bike for such errands what is your method of transporting 
> groceries or other items?
> 
> I have one bike with a rack and a large Wald basket that can handle a couple 
> bags of groceries but sometimes as I rotate through my bikes I use the method 
> pictured below of tying cloth sacks around the handlebar balancing the load.
> 
> I think this can be a risky method.
> 
> I need to find some decent grocery panniers.
> 
> Today I weighed these 2 sacks in bathroom scales.
> 
> Dang...36.2 pounds. Glad it was only 2 miles return trip .
> 
> Paul in Dallas
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Mathias Steiner]

I'm late to the party here, but I can't believe there is a serious 
conversation about reaming out the seat tube enough to change seat post 
size.

Rivendell does not, as far as I know, divulge their steel specifications, 
except to state that they mix & match material thicknesses as needed by 
model and size.

But no matter the details, butted tubes come in 0.9/0.6/0.9 mm wall 
thickness and similar, with 1.0/0.8 considered stout.
 
Let's assume there's a reason for the "butting." It's really a "thinning" 
of the middle portion of the tube, as straight gauge tubing tends to be of 
the 1.0 mm variety all the way through.

>From a quick internet search, it appears that seat tubes are generally 
single butted, with the thin part pointing up... meaning we're leaving 0.6 
mm wall thickness at the seat post, assuming we started with 0.8 mm... 
Rivendell states they use air-hardened tubing, which can go as thin as 0.5 
mm wall thickness. 

I'd have to hear it from a frame builder that they think it's OK. I don't 
believe it. 

cheers -mathias

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> A few days ago Leah said: " Bill Lindsay - I would trust you to do it! And 
> I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the tool to make it 
> happen! No pressure or anything. 😬"
>
> I spend one week every month in Michigan but I live in a hotel room.  I do 
> not typically carry an adjustable seat tube reamer in my carry on luggage.  
> :)  I also do not own an adjustable seat tube reamer, even though I am 
> plenty comfortable and experienced with its use*.  If I needed that service 
> performed, I'd pay one of the local old timers, who I know have the tool 
> and know how to use it.  
>
> *While I'm experienced with its use, I do not recall ever deliberately 
> reaming out a 26.8mm seat tube to 27.2.  It's always been in the initial 
> frame prep step, or a repair step.  I don't doubt that it can be done.  I 
> just don't have a good feel for how long it should take.  Like if it's a 2 
> hour job, and a tradesperson quoted you $160 for two hours of (strenuous) 
> labor, would you want to do it?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:02:54 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> John, 
>> My seatpost actually has setback to 50. I have my saddle at 42 or 43. Now 
>> that I have these new grips, I could try the old seat post. The new grips 
>> sit further up the bars and I have more reach now. The feeling of being 
>> cramped was fairly slight, and I could often ignore it, but it was one of 
>> those little niggling details I wanted improved. Some people would have 
>> chopped their Billie Bars - not me! I need all that real estate so keep 
>> 1000 things on my bars!
>>
>> Eric, I know. I have had this exact thought. Bill Lindsay - I would trust 
>> you to do it! And I would drive to your part of Michigan if you had the 
>> tool to make it happen! No pressure or anything. 😬
>>
>> Joseph! Oh why bother getting it in silver? Such a magnificent seat post 
>> deserves to be a focal point: I should just go with the black. 🙃
>>
>> Joyce, there’s a woman in product design over at 1 Up, I see! I love my 
>> RivSisters; they don’t want me to miss out on any of the best stuff.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:48 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
>> 40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
>> full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
>> the setback she needs.
>>
>>
>> The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
>> postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
>> to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
>> of the seat tube??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>>> perspective: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>>
>>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
 them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the 
 hole 
 is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien 

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Bill Lindsay]

The updated numbers now corroborate the qualitative claim that it won't 
fit.  So, have you ordered your new Paul Disc WORD hub yet?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:50:30 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sorry, not 5 mm, the usual ~2mm Shimano spacer. Actually I think it's a 9 
> speed spacer.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore claims to have a 5mm spacer + a 3/32" cog on a hub.  
>> Assuming his story is accurate, that's a stack up of 7.38mm
>>
>> Wesley said "put another cog on there", to which Patrick Moore said there 
>> would be no room for the chain.  
>>
>> 8-speed Shimano cassette cogs are 1.8mm thick, and the right spacer 
>> between Shimano 8-speed cassette cogs is 3.0mm in thickness.  So, if your 
>> stack up was COG+SPACER+COG then that would add up to 1.8mm + 3.0mm + 1.8mm 
>> = 6.6mm.  That's a shorter stack up than what you have, and would have a 
>> spacing between cogs that you know works.  What's the problem?  Would the 
>> "inner" cog run up against the spokes or something?  It sounds to me like 
>> you have ample room to try two cogs plus a spacer and see what you think.  
>> You frequently describe your box full of all generations of 7, 8, 9, 10 
>> speed cassette cogs and spacers.  Give it a go!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I could indeed get a second cog into the place of the spacer but  
>>> there'd be no room for the chain.
>>>
>>> No, good thought, but you'd need 5 mm more of space for: big cog + 
>>> spacer + small cog; then lockring. As it is, the big cog and small cog 
>>> would have to butt up against each other; no room for chain.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:18 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>>
 Ah. Can you not remove the 5mm spacer? That should be enough room for a 
 second cog, IMO.
 -W

 On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Not mine, said by seller to be a 2012 model. I have a 5 mm spacer, 
> then the 3/32" cog, and then the lockring threads.
>
> Good to know that the caliper (again, list, almost vertically atop the 
> rotor at top dead center, but actually offset a cm or two forward) can 
> accommodate a bit of fore/aft axle movement.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:56 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> Hey Patrick,
>> My recollection of my monocog was that the freehub had room for three 
>> cogs. I think there were spacers on the hub that covered up most of the 
>> free hub - remove the locking and you can do adjust the spacers as 
>> necessary. If yours is the same, then you could just keep that wheel and 
>> put the additional cogs onto it.
>>
>> And, in case I wasn't clear in my earlier response, I think there is 
>> plenty of adjustment room in the disc brakes to accommodate the rear 
>> axle 
>> being adjusted in the dropout.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:44:19 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting, and after blundering into a few search result 
>>> pages about money markets and currency conversion I got:
>>>
>>> http://www.monebikes.com/read-me/
>>>
>>> But he says nothing about adjustable chainstays,
>>>
>>> Still, he does talk about weird possibilities like 3" tires and drop 
>>> bars, so I must investigate.
>>>
>>> Really, though, to conclude this question, it seems that I can 
>>> either have a very simple bike with disc brakes as long as it's a 
>>> single 
>>> speed, or I can accommodate 2 cogs using some niche, complex 
>>> technology. I 
>>> think I'll either settle for a fixed drivetrain (no rear brake, no 
>>> problem) 
>>> or get off and walk. Rear rim brake not option since I want to use disc 
>>> rims.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:44 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
>>> lionsrug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have no personal experience with single speed disc nor 
 Rocker/Slider or any of the existing dropout configurations being 
 discussed 
 other than keeping a mental catalogue and casual interest of such 
 things as 
 I discover them... but what about telescoping chainstays?   

 I recall seeing a few interesting options including a build that 
 Rick Hunter did with a bottom bracket positioned wingnut to adjust 
 chain 
 tension with a form of telescoping chainstay (I forget what that 
 particular 
 bike or design was referred to but I think it had a rigid fork, 26+ 
 tires, 
 disc brakes, upright riser Hunter bars, and a cow pattern custom frame 
 bag... in case that helps ID it or dig something up for further review 
 from 
 the interwebs!)  

 Another is the design cur

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[John Dewey]

PS: Supple Vitesse @ 33mm also fit quite well. Just enough wiggle room to 
make me comfortable.



On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Well, Patrick, I just took a closer look at mine and I think it just 
> might. Of course, a lot depends on the rim. I have Open Pro on mine, with 
> 32mm Conti 5000s and 45mm SKS mudguards / fenders. Not lots of room to 
> spare, mind you, but the fit is just about perfect. So take off the fenders 
> and install 38mm tires I think might be a good swap.
>
> Jock
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:57:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> One more remark, FWIW, and not to discourage you from a 650B conversion: 
>> The Ram handled very nicely with 700C 32 mm tires; expect a slight 
>> reduction in diameter and an increase in width and a decrease in pressure 
>> to have effects on handling. Trail and flop #s might also change a bit 
>> depending on the width of the new tires.
>>
>> The Bon Jon Passes might be the best option.
>>
>> Question to all: Can a Ram, at least the second gen blue Rams, take 38s? 
>> Mine took 31s with fenders, just, so it might take 38s; but my Riv custom 
>> with single pivot takes 39s, crowding at chainstays -- ~2 mm clearance per 
>> side with 39 mm actual tire -- rather than under brake or crown.
>>
>> Again, FWIW.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:37 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
 Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
 my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, 
 with 
 stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a 
 bike 
 that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
 exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
 stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.

 But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.

 On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
 wrote:

> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>
>
> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
> who 
> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike 
> he’s 
> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>
> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
> make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
> the Ram which would be the one to go? 
>
> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds 
> with no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>
> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
> don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about 
> the 
> LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
> options 
> on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
> the 
> middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
> weight 
> or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>
> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to 
> replace my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I 
> can 
> get a more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though 
> I 
> love it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from 
> my 
> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts
>
> Max
>
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[John Dewey]

Well, Patrick, I just took a closer look at mine and I think it just might. 
Of course, a lot depends on the rim. I have Open Pro on mine, with 32mm 
Conti 5000s and 45mm SKS mudguards / fenders. Not lots of room to spare, 
mind you, but the fit is just about perfect. So take off the fenders and 
install 38mm tires I think might be a good swap.

Jock

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:57:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> One more remark, FWIW, and not to discourage you from a 650B conversion: 
> The Ram handled very nicely with 700C 32 mm tires; expect a slight 
> reduction in diameter and an increase in width and a decrease in pressure 
> to have effects on handling. Trail and flop #s might also change a bit 
> depending on the width of the new tires.
>
> The Bon Jon Passes might be the best option.
>
> Question to all: Can a Ram, at least the second gen blue Rams, take 38s? 
> Mine took 31s with fenders, just, so it might take 38s; but my Riv custom 
> with single pivot takes 39s, crowding at chainstays -- ~2 mm clearance per 
> side with 39 mm actual tire -- rather than under brake or crown.
>
> Again, FWIW.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:37 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
>>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
>>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, with 
>>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a bike 
>>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>>
>>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
 become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust


 I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
 review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
 who 
 owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s 
 ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.

 Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
 make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
 the Ram which would be the one to go? 

 How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
 no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
 although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.

 Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
 don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the 
 LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
 options 
 on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
 the 
 middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
 weight 
 or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
 occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.

 The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
 my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
 more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
 it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
 Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.

 Thanks for your thoughts

 Max


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Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, not 5 mm, the usual ~2mm Shimano spacer. Actually I think it's a 9
speed spacer.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore claims to have a 5mm spacer + a 3/32" cog on a hub.
> Assuming his story is accurate, that's a stack up of 7.38mm
>
> Wesley said "put another cog on there", to which Patrick Moore said there
> would be no room for the chain.
>
> 8-speed Shimano cassette cogs are 1.8mm thick, and the right spacer
> between Shimano 8-speed cassette cogs is 3.0mm in thickness.  So, if your
> stack up was COG+SPACER+COG then that would add up to 1.8mm + 3.0mm + 1.8mm
> = 6.6mm.  That's a shorter stack up than what you have, and would have a
> spacing between cogs that you know works.  What's the problem?  Would the
> "inner" cog run up against the spokes or something?  It sounds to me like
> you have ample room to try two cogs plus a spacer and see what you think.
> You frequently describe your box full of all generations of 7, 8, 9, 10
> speed cassette cogs and spacers.  Give it a go!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I could indeed get a second cog into the place of the spacer but 
>> there'd be no room for the chain.
>>
>> No, good thought, but you'd need 5 mm more of space for: big cog +
>> spacer + small cog; then lockring. As it is, the big cog and small cog
>> would have to butt up against each other; no room for chain.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:18 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah. Can you not remove the 5mm spacer? That should be enough room for a
>>> second cog, IMO.
>>> -W
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Not mine, said by seller to be a 2012 model. I have a 5 mm spacer, then
 the 3/32" cog, and then the lockring threads.

 Good to know that the caliper (again, list, almost vertically atop the
 rotor at top dead center, but actually offset a cm or two forward) can
 accommodate a bit of fore/aft axle movement.

 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:56 PM Wesley  wrote:

> Hey Patrick,
> My recollection of my monocog was that the freehub had room for three
> cogs. I think there were spacers on the hub that covered up most of the
> free hub - remove the locking and you can do adjust the spacers as
> necessary. If yours is the same, then you could just keep that wheel and
> put the additional cogs onto it.
>
> And, in case I wasn't clear in my earlier response, I think there is
> plenty of adjustment room in the disc brakes to accommodate the rear axle
> being adjusted in the dropout.
> -Wes
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:44:19 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, and after blundering into a few search result
>> pages about money markets and currency conversion I got:
>>
>> http://www.monebikes.com/read-me/
>>
>> But he says nothing about adjustable chainstays,
>>
>> Still, he does talk about weird possibilities like 3" tires and drop
>> bars, so I must investigate.
>>
>> Really, though, to conclude this question, it seems that I can either
>> have a very simple bike with disc brakes as long as it's a single speed, 
>> or
>> I can accommodate 2 cogs using some niche, complex technology. I think 
>> I'll
>> either settle for a fixed drivetrain (no rear brake, no problem) or get 
>> off
>> and walk. Rear rim brake not option since I want to use disc rims.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:44 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
>> lionsrug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no personal experience with single speed disc nor
>>> Rocker/Slider or any of the existing dropout configurations being 
>>> discussed
>>> other than keeping a mental catalogue and casual interest of such 
>>> things as
>>> I discover them... but what about telescoping chainstays?
>>>
>>> I recall seeing a few interesting options including a build that
>>> Rick Hunter did with a bottom bracket positioned wingnut to adjust chain
>>> tension with a form of telescoping chainstay (I forget what that 
>>> particular
>>> bike or design was referred to but I think it had a rigid fork, 26+ 
>>> tires,
>>> disc brakes, upright riser Hunter bars, and a cow pattern custom frame
>>> bag... in case that helps ID it or dig something up for further review 
>>> from
>>> the interwebs!)
>>>
>>> Another is the design currently used by Cjell Mone of Mone Bikes
>>> referred to as the Mone Changer.  I couldn't find an actual page 
>>> discussing
>>> or highlighting the chainstay design itself but believe he builds them 
>>> into
>>> various frames as requested.  Here's a snippet from the FAQ page on his
>>> site.
>>>
>>> How do I work them Monē Changer dropouts?
>>>
>>>  - Remember, there are 5 

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Grrr - darn auto correct and typos - should have read  *"I considered 
grabbing a Soma Champs Elysees road fork during ONE OF Soma’s frequent 
sales."*

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> It might be worth trying alternative 700c tires in the Ram’s current state 
> first, especially if you can find second hand extra lights to compare 
> before switching out brakes, etc.  Not to discourage your conversion (I 
> would never discourage bike experimentation!) but just thinking that’s a 
> simpler initial change or first step before doing a full conversion with 
> more component changes.
>
> I was similarly low trail curious and opportunistically picked up a Crust 
> LB disc fork for my single speed road bike when Crust HQ was briefly local 
> to me in NJ and very close to my workplace.  This is the v1 disc 1-1/8 
> threadless thru axle version.  I ended up just keeping this bike 700x33 
> after finding an affordable 700c 12mm thru axle disc wheel to use with 
> existing tires.  I noticed less difference in handling between forks than I 
> did in eliminating toe overlap and the difference in brake feel.  
> Obviously, handling preferences are highly subjective and beyond the scope 
> of your query so no further comment on that.  But I will say that the 
> overlap and a desire for front loading is mostly what made me want to try a 
> longer offset fork to begin with, as I found the existing toe overlap 
> rather annoying when doing low speed maneuvers on our shared and 
> occasionally busy multiuse trails while riding as fixed gear.  I also 
> wanted to be able to use this more as a utility bike as opposed to just a 
> stripped down fun bike.  Sadly, this one is now sidelined with an injury 
> with repairs still undetermined.
>
> I enjoyed riding this bike fixed in the colder months so going with the 
> disc fork and brakeless in the rear offered other benefits with 
> mud/snow/debris clearance and less parts to accumulate grime.  I considered 
> grabbing a Soma Champs Elysees road fork during be if Soma’s frequent 
> sales.  This would have worked with my existing rim brakes and QR & bolt on 
> wheels but I didn’t really want shiny chrome and the Crust fork offered a 
> variety of front rack mount options.
>
> Soma does offer 1” threadless low trail conversion forks, if you actually 
> wanted to test low trail on the Ram without going full custom.  I think 
> they were sold out in the 1” options last I recall but maybe they will 
> restock soon?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023, Garth  wrote:
>
>> There have been riders known to have a separate low trail fork made for 
>> their Rivendell. One from the likes of Jack of Franklin Frames namesake 
>> could be an option as he doesn't charge silly prices for such things. I'd 
>> keep it 700c myself as I don't see a wider tire on a road bike adding 
>> anything but more weight and air resistance. In full disclosure I never 
>> bought into the sales promotions for either 650b or wider tires than 
>> necessary for a given surface. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding of this stuff is the r559 works for 650b conversions 
>>> that started with short-reach calipers. Ram came with medium-reach and need 
>>> a rally long arm to reach 650b rims. I don't think r559 or Medium Racer 
>>> will do it, the long Racers might. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:11:48 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 You would probably need Paul Racers, or some other long reach caliper 
 like the tektro r559 (which is on major sale at velo orange right now i 
 think). The medium racers would theoretically fit 700c rims on the ram.

 Sounds like a good plan Max. I feel like I tend to get caught up 
 'chasing the dragon', always wanting, unrelenting bike desire. Switching 
 things up on the current bike tends to scratch the itch for me, at least 
 for a little while.

 cheers,

 Stephen

 On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:37:15 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>
> Jock
>
> [image: RAMB.png]
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but 
>> from 
>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, 
>> with 
>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a 
>> bike 
>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>
>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Davey Two Shoes]

I'll be there as well. Riding my olive lime Sam

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 11:25:02 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!
>>
>> Adam in Portland
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast improves. 
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three 
 mermaid frames... at least! 

 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Yep that was me!
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 Some day…
 Have fun!
 -Kai

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 wrote:

> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>
>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there 
>>> this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid 
>>> Platy.
>>>
>>> Cheers-
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Garth]

There have been riders known to have a separate low trail fork made for 
their Rivendell. One from the likes of Jack of Franklin Frames namesake 
could be an option as he doesn't charge silly prices for such things. I'd 
keep it 700c myself as I don't see a wider tire on a road bike adding 
anything but more weight and air resistance. In full disclosure I never 
bought into the sales promotions for either 650b or wider tires than 
necessary for a given surface. 


On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My understanding of this stuff is the r559 works for 650b conversions that 
> started with short-reach calipers. Ram came with medium-reach and need a 
> rally long arm to reach 650b rims. I don't think r559 or Medium Racer 
> will do it, the long Racers might. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:11:48 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> You would probably need Paul Racers, or some other long reach caliper 
>> like the tektro r559 (which is on major sale at velo orange right now i 
>> think). The medium racers would theoretically fit 700c rims on the ram.
>>
>> Sounds like a good plan Max. I feel like I tend to get caught up 'chasing 
>> the dragon', always wanting, unrelenting bike desire. Switching things up 
>> on the current bike tends to scratch the itch for me, at least for a little 
>> while.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:37:15 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
 Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
 my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, 
 with 
 stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a 
 bike 
 that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
 exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
 stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.

 But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.

 On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
 wrote:

> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>
>
> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
> who 
> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike 
> he’s 
> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>
> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
> make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
> the Ram which would be the one to go? 
>
> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds 
> with no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>
> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
> don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about 
> the 
> LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
> options 
> on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
> the 
> middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
> weight 
> or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>
> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to 
> replace my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I 
> can 
> get a more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though 
> I 
> love it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from 
> my 
> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts
>
> Max
>
>
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Re: [RBW] 2.25 Thunder Burt on a Platypus?

[DavidP]

I have a bike with a 29x2.25 Thunder Burt on an i29mm rim, on which the 
casing measures wider than the knobs and is 56mm / 2.2" @ ~20psi. Variances 
in individual tires aside that should be a good max as the Cliffhangers are 
i25mm. I'm pretty sure this would work on my Platypus (60cm) if I didn't 
have fenders installed which limit me to a 50mm tire.

-Dave

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 5:54:37 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Justin,
> FWIW, the April 28 email newsletter featured a 60cm web special platy with 
> 2.3" Teravail Ehlines. Will said: "It clears easily, although I wouldn't go 
> any bigger. I suspect these tires are measured knob to knob, because 
> calipers showed them as closer to 2.1 than 2.3. Still good!"
> Mack 
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I would say it isn’t likely. I have the Soma Cazadero 700x50mm on my 
>> wife’s 55 with Cliffhanger rims and there is no room to spare. 
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No specific experience mounting that combo but I can tell you that 2.25" 
>>> tires on Cliffhanger rims, for me, measured 60mm. If you've got calipers, 
>>> you could check the spacing between tubes and get an idea from that.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 10:04 AM Justin Kennedy  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know it's beyond the official max tire size but wondering if anyone 
 has experience with big ol' tires on your Platy. Specifically, a 29'er 
 2.25 
 Thunder Burt (mounted on a Cliffhanger) on a 60cm Platypus. Thanks!  

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