[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Nick Payne]

When I stopped racing it, I converted my old Litespeed race bike from 622 
wheels with 25mm tyres to 584 with 32mm tyres, as the chainstays on the 
Litespeed bow inwards, and the widest 622 tyre that would fit between the 
chainstays was 25mm. Because 584 rims are 19mm smaller radius, I could 
manage to fit a 32mm tyre. I can't say that I noticed a difference in the 
handling with the smaller wheels. With the lower bottom bracket I did have 
to avoid pedalling through fast corners.

I also have a disc brake minivelo, on which I run either 451 wheels with 
28mm tyres or 406 wheels with 44mm tyres. Other than the increased shock 
absorbtion with the larger tyres, I don't notice any difference in the 
handling there either.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Track Supermarket

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Garth

Thanks for directions to the 2024 Nitto catalogue

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> The catalog is on their home page, upper right in big letters :* PDF 
> Catalog * :)  
> https://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/index-E.html
>
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 11:49:33 AM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>> Where does one get a Nitto catalog?!
>> k.
>>
>>
>> Inquiring minds must know! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[Jay]

Like, WOW.  Nicolas, you really make me want to go there and explore.  I 
would rather take 4hrs to cover 'those' 35km than a fast-paced, paved ride 
anywhere around here.

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:23:26 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Nicholas, what a magical landscape. Thanks for sharing the photos. Nicely 
> put together Joe Appa too!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!
>>
>>
>> John
>> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Jay]

I don't have a lot of experience with what you've outlined and asked about 
(those specific dimensions), however, I'll share my experience with my 
Salsa Fargo, as in the end it brought me here!

It came mounted with 29x2.2".  From the first test ride I knew it was for 
me, as a drop bar mtb / monster cross bike for local mixed surface trails. 
 When winter came I wanted to use it with narrower tires, minimal tread, as 
it would only be ridden on the road.  I swapped the tires with 43mm GKSS. 
 I didn't like the way it handled.  I'm assuming it affected the trail?  In 
any case, it wasn't that stable ride I enjoyed.

What brought me here, to this forum and wanting a Roadini - I needed a bike 
for those tires!  And it worked out great...the 43mm GKSS are perfect on 
the Roadini.

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with 
> tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away 
> with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.
>
> Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 
> wheels, 2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, 
> for commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width 
> Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. 
> So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 
> XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The 
> skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.
>
> With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, 
> quite nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in 
> straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.
>
> That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 
> 622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, 
> #2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how 
> skinny can one go before compromising handling?
>
> I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 
> 42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for 
> dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby 
> wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, 
> wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this 
> after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.
>
> It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas 
> that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm 
> tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and 
> make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.
>
> So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
> narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."
>
> * ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Roberta]

Ben,

You ARE very lucky to have an Atlantis (the bike I would have bought if I 
had more money years ago--I fell in love with its ride too) and a fun Sarah 
to ride with!  

Not only can we indulge our passions with wonderful riding bikes, but also 
make friends along the way.

Many happy miles to you.

Roberta

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:

> hey all,
>
> this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope fully 
> my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
> here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member.  shout 
> out to Zac big thank you.
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
> that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
> have to own one at some point".
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
> group within a group.  
> You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail and 
> even running errands along the Greenway.
> Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are pretty 
> dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid rise 
> that will go on next.
> Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
>  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
> *pics coming in next post
> Ben R from El Cerrito
>

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Steve]

'll suggest that the handling variables most effected by tire size are 
trail and wheel flop. Smaller diameter wheel/tire combinations decrease 
both trail and flop. Wider (and lower inflation pressures) slow steering 
response, in my experience. I have a 90s race dike thatover the years  I've 
run with 700 x 19s, 23s and 28s. I converted it to 650b wheels a few years 
back and am running RH 38mm slicks on it. The 650b x 38s have been my 
favorite combination on that bike.

You can plug the numbers in here if you want to quantify the differences 
 between tire & wheel sizes - http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php
  

I consider  38 to 42mm tires to be a bit of a sweet spot for pavement 
riding. They have enough volume to provide some cush and vibration 
dampening, but are still relatively light, spinning up to speed quickly, 
giving the drivetrain a more responsive feeling. I find they also do well 
enough on smooth, hard pack dirt or gravel routes to keep me comfortable 
exploring them. 

So, that's my $0,02.Steve in AVL

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with 
> tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away 
> with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.
>
> Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 
> wheels, 2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, 
> for commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width 
> Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. 
> So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 
> XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The 
> skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.
>
> With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, 
> quite nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in 
> straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.
>
> That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 
> 622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, 
> #2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how 
> skinny can one go before compromising handling?
>
> I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 
> 42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for 
> dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby 
> wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, 
> wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this 
> after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.
>
> It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas 
> that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm 
> tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and 
> make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.
>
> So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
> narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."
>
> * ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Steve]

I'll suggest that the handling variables most effected by tire size are 
trail and wheel flop. Smaller diameter wheel/tire combinations decrease 
both trail and flop. Wider (and lower inflation pressures) slow steering 
response, in my experience. I have a 90s race dike thatover the years  I've 
run with 700 x 19s, 23s and 28s. I converted it to 650b wheels a few years 
back and am running RH 38mm slicks on it. The 650b x 38s are my 

You can plug the numbers in here if you want to quantify the differences 
 between tire & wheel sizes 
- http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php  

I consider  38 to 42mm tires to be a bit of a sweet spot for pavement 
riding. They have enough volume to provide some cush and vibration 
dampening, but are still relatively light, spinning up to speed quickly, 
giving the drivetrain a more responsive feeling. They also do well enough 
on smooth, hard pack dirt or gravel routes to let you feel comfortable 
exploring them. 

Steve in AVL
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with 
> tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away 
> with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.
>
> Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 
> wheels, 2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, 
> for commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width 
> Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. 
> So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 
> XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The 
> skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.
>
> With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, 
> quite nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in 
> straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.
>
> That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 
> 622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, 
> #2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how 
> skinny can one go before compromising handling?
>
> I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 
> 42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for 
> dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby 
> wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, 
> wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this 
> after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.
>
> It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas 
> that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm 
> tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and 
> make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.
>
> So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
> narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."
>
> * ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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>
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>
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>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yet Another Garage Sale

[Collin A]

White Industries BB sold...I might have some more parts soon courtesy of 
another move - stuff like dura ace brakes, paul canti brakes, ultegra 
groupsets, RH tires, etc. so keep an eye out

   - XTR M900 cantilever brakes, 1 bike's worth: These are a bit of a 
   catch-and-release from a fellow list member. I rode them around on the 
   appaloosa commuter and they worked great, but the Paul Cantis I have worked 
   a bit better (or, to say it another way, I was able to set them up for 
   better braking). Fantastic condition. *Asking for $120 shipped*, or best 
   offer. Pivots cleaned and lubed with T-9. New kool stop salmon pads. 
   Original pads included in case you want 30 year old rim brake pads...


   - Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on these. 
   *$40*


   - Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
   Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 2, 
   10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
   waxing).
   - Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this guy. 
   Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*

Hope folks are enjoying their holiday weekend,
Collin in Berktown (soon back to oaktown)

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Quick update with a new addition and some sold items...
>
>- XTR M900 cantilever brakes, 1 bike's worth: These are a bit of a 
>catch-and-release from a fellow list member. I rode them around on the 
>appaloosa commuter and they worked great, but the Paul Cantis I have 
> worked 
>a bit better (or, to say it another way, I was able to set them up for 
>better braking). Fantastic condition. *Asking for $120 shipped*, or 
>best offer. Pivots cleaned and lubed with T-9. New kool stop salmon pads. 
>Original pads included in case you want 30 year old rim brake pads...
>
>
>- 
>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on these. 
>*$40*
>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal if 
>you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>
>
>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 
>2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
>waxing).
>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this 
>guy. Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Pending items have sold and folks should have the tracking info. The 
>> updated list is below:
>>
>>
>>
>>- Vittoria Corsa 700x34 N.Ext, tube-type only. These have about 
>>200-or-so miles. Lighter (230g measured), faster, and more durable (so 
>> far) 
>>than the RH 700x32 extralight equivalents, IMO. Measure out to about 33 
>> mm 
>>on 19mm ID rims at 45 psi. *$80*
>>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on 
>>these. *$40*
>>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal 
>>if you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>>
>>
>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 
>>2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
>>waxing).
>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this 
>>guy. Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*
>>
>>
>>- Silca Tubeless Setup, 16 oz Part 1 and 32 oz Part 2 (replenisher). 
>>New, never used. *$50*
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin
>>
>> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 7:57:14 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> XTR derailleur is sold.  A couple items are sold, pending payment. 
>>> Updated list is below:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- Vittoria Corsa 700x34 N.Ext, tube-type only. These have about 
>>>200-or-so miles. Lighter (230g measured), faster, and more durable (so 
>>> far) 
>>>than the RH 700x32 extralight equivalents, IMO. Measure out to about 33 
>>> mm 
>>>on 19mm ID rims at 45 psi. *$80*
>>>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on 
>>>these. *$40*
>>>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal 
>>>if you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>>>
>>>
>>>- Deore M591 long cage rear derailleur, silver - Shows some 
>>>wear-and-tear, but shifts up to a 42t 10 speed cassette. *$30 - 
>>>pending*
>>>- Deore M5000 10 speed 11-42 cassette - effectively new, but mounted 
>>>and ridden around the block. *$30 - pending*
>>>
>>>
>>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>>>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can 
>>>include 2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help wit

[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[RichS]

Nicholas, what a magical landscape. Thanks for sharing the photos. Nicely 
put together Joe Appa too!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!
>
>
> John
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Patrick Moore]

Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with
tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away
with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.

Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 wheels,
2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, for
commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width
Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding.
So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992
XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The
skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.

With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, quite
nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in
straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.

That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to
622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and,
#2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how
skinny can one go before compromising handling?

I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight
42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.

Any thoughts?

Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for
dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby
wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical,
wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this
after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.

It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas
that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm
tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and
make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.

So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for
narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."

* ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Platypus in Mermaid

[Ari Kelman]

The Platypus has a new home. Many thanks to folks here for their help.

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 4:53:53 PM UTC-7 Ari Kelman wrote:

> I should note that my price is flexible. I want to find the right home for 
> this lovely bike that's in as-new condition. 
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:40:37 AM UTC-7 Ari Kelman wrote:
>
>> I'm located in Davis, CA. I'd be happy to meet someone in the Bay Area or 
>> the Sacramento region for a test drive. Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:56:31 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Kelm,
>>> Location ?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:39:07 PM UTC-7 kelm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Shimano ders, Paul brakes, WI bb, Silver crank, Boscomoose bar, Nitto 
 post, Riv-built wheels (WI hubs/Quill rims), etc.

 The bike has been ridden three times. $2500 obo. Includes  extras.

 Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[John Bokman]

Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!


John
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:

> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Patrick Moore]

Robert and everyone, I apologize; Robert is right, these are not the model
I know and love.

Apparently, REI no longer carries these; too bad. If anyone knows of
similar pants available from another source, I would be interested in
hearing about them.

https://www.rei.com/product/158172/rei-co-op-sahara-roll-up-cargo-pants-mens

REI Co-op   Sahara Roll-Up Cargo Pants -
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*This product is not available.*

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 10:55 AM  wrote:

> I have a couple pairs of those Sahara pants as well and I love them.
> These look like they got rid of the roll up legs with snaps and replaced
> them with zip off legs? I can’t find the roll up leg version on their site.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 27, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I'll recommend the REI "Sahara" cargo pants for occasions when you want to
> ride a bike to an event where shorts are inappropriate. They're on sale
> now, too:
> https://www.rei.com/product/202030/rei-co-op-sahara-convertible-pants-mens?CAWELAID=120217890013538185&cm_mmc=PLA_Bing%7C2170001700551_2020300028%7C92700067489897493%7CPB%7C7170081306883&gclsrc=ds
>
> Very light but densely woven and -- after several years of regular
> warm-weather Sunday use -- quite durable, decent colors (tho' only earth
> tones), well sewn with intelligently designed pockets.*
>
> I used to use light nylon pants with zip-off legs, but the hassle of
> getting the legs off over cycling shoes (or removing the shoes to remove
> the unzipped legs, then putting them on again) was too much. The REI pants
> let you roll the legs to either knickers height or to shorts height.
>
> My brother just gave one of his pairs of same, but oddly a bit too short
> -- he's 4" taller than I; he likes high water pants, I guess -- that I
> might have converted into knickers. If I do that, can anyone recommend a
> nice dark tan, khaki, light brown, or olive green cotton knee sock, with
> source?
>
> As to style: Winter is easy: dark or neutrally colored cycling pants --
> Endura, Osloh* for example -- or wool knickers with wool pullover + knee
> socks under Ibex wool vest and/or "light navy" cycling wind shell with pit
> zips. Summer: I used to ride in lycra and change in the bathroom, but the
> REI rollups paired with nice wicking ss bush shirts in heather sky blue or
> more-or-less tattersall that are trim but not tight (I like my civilian
> shirts baggy) works very well. These bush shirts, found on sale from Kohl's
> some years ago (I'd just written a resume for a Kohl's marketing exec) have
> the usual stink problem of synthetic fabrics but are good for a
> several-hour first wearing and, as I discovered last summer, if you swish
> such synthetics -- works for plastic jerseys too -- in a gallon or so of
> cold water when you get home and hang to drip dry you can wear them as long
> as you can wool.
>
> As to wool, I have 2 remaining of a collection of 4-5 nice retro wool med
> weight ss jerseys; these are good up to the low 90s in low humidity but
> hotter and I accept synthetics. Light wool, including the Riv lightweight
> merino Woolywarms, IME aren't nearly as durable -- snags and moth holes. I
> gave my 2 pr away.
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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Garth]

Brian, I don't think there a cassette hub made that integrates the pawls 
into the hub body that is by any measure, quiet. I've spent too much time 
on YT listening to hubs and they're all chainsaw-like, the only different 
is to what degree you like you saw sound..  "Special grease" only 
diminishes the sound somewhat, and it's not permanent. Not all Shimano are 
quiet, only the ones that use the external screw-in freehub body are quiet 
because they are mechanically very much like a freewheel. They screw into 
the body rather around than body. The Onyx are quiet as it's a completely 
different and unique design. I'm sticking with freewheel hubs likely 
"forever" for not only the quiet, but the usable cog choices. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[rltilley]

I have a couple pairs of those Sahara pants as well and I love them.  These look like they got rid of the roll up legs with snaps and replaced them with zip off legs? I can’t find the roll up leg version on their site.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn May 27, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:I'll recommend the REI "Sahara" cargo pants for occasions when you want to ride a bike to an event where shorts are inappropriate. They're on sale now, too: https://www.rei.com/product/202030/rei-co-op-sahara-convertible-pants-mens?CAWELAID=120217890013538185&cm_mmc=PLA_Bing%7C2170001700551_2020300028%7C92700067489897493%7CPB%7C7170081306883&gclsrc=dsVery light but densely woven and -- after several years of regular warm-weather Sunday use -- quite durable, decent colors (tho' only earth tones), well sewn with intelligently designed pockets.*I used to use light nylon pants with zip-off legs, but the hassle of getting the legs off over cycling shoes (or removing the shoes to remove the unzipped legs, then putting them on again) was too much. The REI pants let you roll the legs to either knickers height or to shorts height.My brother just gave one of his pairs of same, but oddly a bit too short -- he's 4" taller than I; he likes high water pants, I guess -- that I might have converted into knickers. If I do that, can anyone recommend a nice dark tan, khaki, light brown, or olive green cotton knee sock, with source?As to style: Winter is easy: dark or neutrally colored cycling pants -- Endura, Osloh* for example -- or wool knickers with wool pullover + knee socks under Ibex wool vest and/or "light navy" cycling wind shell with pit zips. Summer: I used to ride in lycra and change in the bathroom, but the REI rollups paired with nice wicking ss bush shirts in heather sky blue or more-or-less tattersall that are trim but not tight (I like my civilian shirts baggy) works very well. These bush shirts, found on sale from Kohl's some years ago (I'd just written a resume for a Kohl's marketing exec) have the usual stink problem of synthetic fabrics but are good for a several-hour first wearing and, as I discovered last summer, if you swish such synthetics -- works for plastic jerseys too -- in a gallon or so of cold water when you get home and hang to drip dry you can wear them as long as you can wool.As to wool, I have 2 remaining of a collection of 4-5 nice retro wool med weight ss jerseys; these are good up to the low 90s in low humidity but hotter and I accept synthetics. Light wool, including the Riv lightweight merino Woolywarms, IME aren't nearly as durable -- snags and moth holes. I gave my 2 pr away.



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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Brian Turner]

Glad to be of some help! It’s probably a bit louder sounding because it’s 
echoing inside my garage and off my garage door… but I don’t find it loud or 
distracting compared to others. Now, my Crust has a Hope rear hub, and that’s 
even louder than a White, possibly louder than Chris King too. I’ve had several 
Deore XT hubs and they are nice and quiet. I have one weird XT that’s about 15 
years old that makes absolutely NO sound whatsoever. Dead silent. My favorite 
hub sound? Phil Wood, hands down!

- Brian

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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Brian Watts]

Thanks for everyone’s input. Brian that video is super helpful. I would say 
that is pretty loud. 1-10; deore 2, silver 6, white 8.5. I think I’m 
looking for a 4 on my scale😁

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 8:31:43 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:

> If it helps, here’s a video I made of the Silver hub sound on my Gus:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6ae4EXFGqjZRvAwA7
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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Brian Turner]

If it helps, here’s a video I made of the Silver hub sound on my Gus:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/6ae4EXFGqjZRvAwA7

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[RBW] Re: Sergio Green Roadini 57 frameset

[Gabe Thompson]

PM'd

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 6:25:15 AM UTC-7 Andrew Joseph wrote:

> All,
>
> I recently picked up a like new Roadini frameset and Tektro 559s from 
> Mack’s Bikes in Chicago.  
>
> However, I also just purchased a Sam complete and I am loving it.  Maybe I 
> had low expectations of the Sams performance on pavement having previously 
> owned a Homer?
>
> Regardless of the reason, I was wrong and the Sam is super fun on the 
> road.  I really like being able to run canti brakes personally as well.
>
> I realize the Roadini frameset will just be sitting for quite sometime. 
>  This is fine, but I figured I would see if anyone here is interested in 
> the frameset?
>
> I can pull the frame out of the box for more photos if you’re interested 
> later this week.  But this is the IG link to the photos of the actual bike 
> Sam from Mack’s Bikes took when it was built up before I purchased it.
>
> Maybe $1100 plus shipping and I will include the brakes? 
>
> I can include a headset.  Although, the sale did not include a headset and 
> seatpost as it was purchased from Mack’s and not Riv directly. 
>
> $50 for a FSA Duron.
>
> Located in Oklahoma.
>
> P.S. Unless someone talks me out of it.  Really thinking about picking up 
> an Appaloosa frame instead when they are available.
>
> R,
>
> Drew
>
> [image: 438868404_7252419224880513_3922707063318851731_n.jpg]
>
> Mack’s Bike & Goods on Instagram: "One of our favorites (mostly cuz we 
> love the name Leo) @rivbike Roadini built with older dura-ace! It’s a super 
> fun bike you should treat yourself to it! We can ship bikes!! • • • • • • • 
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> #familyownedandoperated #neighborhoodbikeshop #cyclotourism 
> #savebrickandmortar #retailisntdead #centralstreetevanston #ohhelloworld 
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> 
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> 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Kim H.]

I was going to buy a set of SILVER hubs. Once I did some homework, I 
realized that it was best to keep what I already had, the stock wheels on 
my Clem. The hubs are silent running and the rims are good quality for my 
needs. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 7:29:21 AM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:

> I would buy those hubs.
>
> David Hays
> Buffalo, New York
>
> On May 27, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> The header immediately made me think of "Music With Her Silver Sound;" 
> https://www.discogs.com/master/1425787-English-Consort-Of-Viols-Martyn-Hill-Anthony-Rooley-Music-With-Her-Silver-Sound-Works-By-Bull-Byrd-C
>
> The founder of the ensemble was Marco Pallis, author of Peaks and Lamas. 
> Remarkable man: https://www.discogs.com/artist/3344162-Marco-Pallis
>
> Maybe Rivendell could tune the sound of their hubs to the music of John 
> Dowland.
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 6:03 AM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> I can’t seem to find the link, but a few years ago, Will posted a video 
>> of the sound of a Silver hub.
>>
>> I’d say the description of being slightly louder than a Deore XT hub is 
>> accurate. But, nowhere near as loud as a White hub, that’s for sure.
>>
>> - Brian 
>> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[Patrick Moore]

Lovely photos; thanks for sharing them.

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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[David Hays]

I would buy those hubs.

David Hays
Buffalo, New York

> On May 27, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> The header immediately made me think of "Music With Her Silver Sound;" 
> https://www.discogs.com/master/1425787-English-Consort-Of-Viols-Martyn-Hill-Anthony-Rooley-Music-With-Her-Silver-Sound-Works-By-Bull-Byrd-C
> 
> The founder of the ensemble was Marco Pallis, author of Peaks and Lamas. 
> Remarkable man: https://www.discogs.com/artist/3344162-Marco-Pallis
> 
> Maybe Rivendell could tune the sound of their hubs to the music of John 
> Dowland.
> 
> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 6:03 AM Brian Turner  > wrote:
>> I can’t seem to find the link, but a few years ago, Will posted a video of 
>> the sound of a Silver hub.
>> 
>> I’d say the description of being slightly louder than a Deore XT hub is 
>> accurate. But, nowhere near as loud as a White hub, that’s for sure.
>> 
>> - Brian 
>> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] 2019 55 CM Atlantis for Sale

[deepak atreya]

Memorial Day sale !
Price drop to $3000 . This is excellent deal for all premium components . I
can also swap out onyx hub wheelset with my dynamo wheelset if that is of
interest .( pacenti brevet , son 28 ,Shimano , edulux 11 , hand built by
Rich )  for the same price.

I can do Alex 11 adventure wheelset with gravel king sk with lots of life
for $2500.

Let me know if you would like more details.


Thanks,
Deepak Atreya

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> Folks,
> A week ago I put the frame only for sale to see if I could fund a Sam.
> Fortunately another bike has come my way and I am selling the entire bike.
> It is in excellent condition and may be minor scratches barely visible to
> naked eyes. I could spot only one and my camera had tough time focusing on
> it!
>
> Its been built with premium components , Paul levers, Moto lite , Paul
> skewers. It has quill wheels with onyx hub built by Rich. I can't recommend
> these hubs enough!. The brooks b68 saddle on it is brand new (less than 10
> miles ).  Everything on bike can go except for bells and lights .
>
> I am asking $3500 and buyer can arrange shipping with a local bike shop. I
> believe this is a great deal.  I am based out of east bay and would prefer
> local sale.
>
> Links to the photo below.
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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Patrick Moore]

The header immediately made me think of "Music With Her Silver Sound;"
https://www.discogs.com/master/1425787-English-Consort-Of-Viols-Martyn-Hill-Anthony-Rooley-Music-With-Her-Silver-Sound-Works-By-Bull-Byrd-C

The founder of the ensemble was Marco Pallis, author of Peaks and Lamas.
Remarkable man: https://www.discogs.com/artist/3344162-Marco-Pallis

Maybe Rivendell could tune the sound of their hubs to the music of John
Dowland.

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 6:03 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> I can’t seem to find the link, but a few years ago, Will posted a video of
> the sound of a Silver hub.
>
> I’d say the description of being slightly louder than a Deore XT hub is
> accurate. But, nowhere near as loud as a White hub, that’s for sure.
>
> - Brian
> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Patrick Moore]

I'll recommend the REI "Sahara" cargo pants for occasions when you want to
ride a bike to an event where shorts are inappropriate. They're on sale
now, too:
https://www.rei.com/product/202030/rei-co-op-sahara-convertible-pants-mens?CAWELAID=120217890013538185&cm_mmc=PLA_Bing%7C2170001700551_2020300028%7C92700067489897493%7CPB%7C7170081306883&gclsrc=ds

Very light but densely woven and -- after several years of regular
warm-weather Sunday use -- quite durable, decent colors (tho' only earth
tones), well sewn with intelligently designed pockets.*

I used to use light nylon pants with zip-off legs, but the hassle of
getting the legs off over cycling shoes (or removing the shoes to remove
the unzipped legs, then putting them on again) was too much. The REI pants
let you roll the legs to either knickers height or to shorts height.

My brother just gave one of his pairs of same, but oddly a bit too short --
he's 4" taller than I; he likes high water pants, I guess -- that I might
have converted into knickers. If I do that, can anyone recommend a nice
dark tan, khaki, light brown, or olive green cotton knee sock, with source?

As to style: Winter is easy: dark or neutrally colored cycling pants --
Endura, Osloh* for example -- or wool knickers with wool pullover + knee
socks under Ibex wool vest and/or "light navy" cycling wind shell with pit
zips. Summer: I used to ride in lycra and change in the bathroom, but the
REI rollups paired with nice wicking ss bush shirts in heather sky blue or
more-or-less tattersall that are trim but not tight (I like my civilian
shirts baggy) works very well. These bush shirts, found on sale from Kohl's
some years ago (I'd just written a resume for a Kohl's marketing exec) have
the usual stink problem of synthetic fabrics but are good for a
several-hour first wearing and, as I discovered last summer, if you swish
such synthetics -- works for plastic jerseys too -- in a gallon or so of
cold water when you get home and hang to drip dry you can wear them as long
as you can wool.

As to wool, I have 2 remaining of a collection of 4-5 nice retro wool med
weight ss jerseys; these are good up to the low 90s in low humidity but
hotter and I accept synthetics. Light wool, including the Riv lightweight
merino Woolywarms, IME aren't nearly as durable -- snags and moth holes. I
gave my 2 pr away.

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[RBW] Sergio Green Roadini 57 frameset

[Andrew Joseph]

All,I recently picked up a like new Roadini frameset and Tektro 559s from Mack’s Bikes in Chicago.  However, I also just purchased a Sam complete and I am loving it.  Maybe I had low expectations of the Sams performance on pavement having previously owned a Homer?Regardless of the reason, I was wrong and the Sam is super fun on the road.  I really like being able to run canti brakes personally as well.I realize the Roadini frameset will just be sitting for quite sometime.  This is fine, but I figured I would see if anyone here is interested in the frameset?I can pull the frame out of the box for more photos if you’re interested later this week.  But this is the IG link to the photos of the actual bike Sam from Mack’s Bikes took when it was built up before I purchased it.Maybe $1100 plus shipping and I will include the brakes? I can include a headset.  Although, the sale did not include a headset and seatpost as it was purchased from Mack’s and not Riv directly. $50 for a FSA Duron.Located in Oklahoma.P.S. Unless someone talks me out of it.  Really thinking about picking up an Appaloosa frame instead when they are available.R,DrewMack’s Bike & Goods on Instagram: "One of our favorites (mostly cuz we love the name Leo)
@rivbike Roadini built with older dura-ace!

It’s a super fun bike you should treat yourself to it!

We can ship bikes!!
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Re: [RBW] Style on the bike

[Ted Durant]

> On May 27, 2024, at 3:54 AM, Nicholas A  wrote:
> 
> My new fave riding clothes, merino t-shirt, Amundsen shorts and the good old 
> Eric Marth designed kerchief.

A picture-perfect example of harmonizing with your surroundings.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Keith Paugh]

“Something a touch louder than Deore” is how I’d describe the Silver hub.

I have one on my Sam.
They have great engagement after coasting. Not as much “slip” as other hubs.

I’ve really liked it.
k.

> On May 26, 2024, at 11:34 PM, Brian Watts  wrote:
> 
> something a touch louder

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Sarah Carlson]

I love seeing this thread come back. And I approve of coordinating bike 
bags to shorts! Love it!

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:

> My new fave riding clothes, merino t-shirt, Amundsen shorts and the good 
> old Eric Marth designed kerchief.
>
> [image: 0.jpg]
>
> On Sunday 26 May 2024 at 21:07:40 UTC+1 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is starting to remind me of the early '90s.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who once built a gofast '92 XO-1 with bright purple 
>> anodized Sun M14A "semi-aero" rims (and later ruined them with Easy Off -- 
>> left them at the curb for the recycling truck).
>>
>> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 6:41 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect 
>>> shoes for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:28:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Excellent kit and you look amazing. I love the bike style posts and am 
 so tickled every time I get one!
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 19, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 Today's cool but not too cold ride was with Randi Jo wool cap, wool 
 button up from Anian, and the buckskin gloves that Ron & Arya brand and 
 resell - which, for the record, are awesome! All of this kit is excellent 
 - 
 warm and pretty water resistant as well. 



 




 On Sunday, 5 November 2023 at 12:48:30 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll try to remember to take a photo of the knickers (not of me) when 
> it's next cold enough to wear them. They are very, very comfortable and 
> nice looking.
>
> Balmy upper 60s on today's ride home wearing my new (to me) bright 
> green Cheviot cap while riding a forest green Matthews.
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 10:20 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> +1 on your church going cycling attire. The description is vivid 
>> enough so I can clearly see it. Your warm weather sartorial choices are 
>> impressive as well.
>> I need to up my game and enhance my decade old Rivendell knickers. 
>> Thanks for the inspiration:-)
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I broke out my oh, so elegant! grey flannel cycling knickers* last 
>>> Sunday for the ride to church, matched with Rick's (Reisemberg) 
>>> medium-dark 
>>> grey knee socks and a charcoal grey merino mock turtleneck pullover 
>>> under a 
>>> navy Wabi Woolen LS jersey cunningly made into a light cycling jacket 
>>> with 
>>> the (very professional) addition of a full-length zipper. Shoes should 
>>> have 
>>> been Dromartis, but I use plain black canvas Specialized SPD shoes 
>>> because 
>>> they have a wide toe box and a flat bottom, better for standing during 
>>> 2+ 
>>> hour liturgies. Topped off with ironically-retro, deliberately jarring 
>>> green-and-red Legnano cycling cap; not quite cold enough for ear flaps. 
>>>
>>> Only 1 person did a double take at the knickers.
>>>
>>> Must take a fashion shot.
>>>
>>> But temps have risen almost 20* this week, so it looks like I'll be 
>>> back to the light nylon REI roll-up-legs-and-snap-in-place pants and 
>>> cotton 
>>> collared shirt this Sunday.
>>>
>>> Much more casually, this afternoon, temp about 72* with moderate 
>>> wind, wore a blue and white wool ss jersey with Italian lycra arm 
>>> warmers 
>>> over black Rapha Randonee shorts. Black ankle socks with catchy "Route 
>>> 66" 
>>> graphic and late 1980s/1990s Shimano 3-strap SPD shoes and custom 
>>> cycling 
>>> cap from Little Packet, no longer in business.
>>>
>>> * Very tastefully converted from a very nice pair of Nordstrom wool 
>>> dress flannels with nylon wind panels on inside front and replaceable 
>>> matched-color wear panel on seat and crotch.
>>>
>>> I have to say: I've spent considerable bucks on very many supposedly 
>>> purpose-designed riding pants, knickers and long pants, and I have 
>>> never 
>>> had a pair of cycling pants that fit as well and are so well adapted to 
>>> pedaling as converted dress pants, with the high waist and roomy -- not 
>>> baggy; not 1950s -- cut. They come up high enough in back that you 
>>> don't 
>>> have that continual exposed skin anxiety, and they just feel much more 
>>> comfortable. So many knickers and pants designed for cycling, so they 
>>> say, 
>>> are simply cut too low in the back and just feel uncomfortable, and I'm 
>>> very trim. I've owned I think 4 pairs of dress-pant conversion cycling 
>>> knickers and I wish I'd not sold 2 of the other 3 pairs. 
>>>
>>> Patrick "not 

[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Ryan]

Purple Haze! I think it's a  really fun build. Even though my personal 
aesthetic is a lot more restrained, I love Leah's bike builds. They're like 
art installations. 

Not to buzz-kill or anything, but I wonder how well anodizing/cerakoting 
finishes hold up, especially on high-wear areas such as pedals

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 9:44:28 PM UTC-5 MoVelo wrote:

> Lovely bike Leah. Makes me think of Tom Wolf's Electric Kool-Aid Acid 
> Test. 
>
> Psychedelics experience/experiments with powerful psychoactive substances 
> that alter perception and mood and affect numerous cognitive processes
>
> Sounds about right to me. Groovy baby!
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 10:43:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>>
>> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
>> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
>> to arrive.
>>
>> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
>> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>>
>> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
>> Little Platy. 
>>
>> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken 
>> on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I 
>> put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>>
>> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
>> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the 
>> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I 
>> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
>> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil 
>> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>>
>> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>>
>> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
>> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
>> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
>> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
>> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
>> She understood the assignment. 
>>
>> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
>> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
>> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
>> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
>> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
>> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
>> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
>> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
>> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>>
>> Please find my video link below.
>> Leah
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Brian Turner]

I can’t seem to find the link, but a few years ago, Will posted a video of the 
sound of a Silver hub.

I’d say the description of being slightly louder than a Deore XT hub is 
accurate. But, nowhere near as loud as a White hub, that’s for sure.

- Brian 
Lexington KY

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Dan]

Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my LBS 
recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's 
possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit 
it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too.

With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I 
love mine.
Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. 
The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus.
Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point it 
out.
Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I think 
they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an 
Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one...

On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity Quills. 
> I will say though...
>
> I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has 
> some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. 
> The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference of 
> having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs fussing 
> for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering sealant 
> everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially 
> seat the bead. 
>
> This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's 
> rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've 
> personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The 
> tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter.
>
> Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of those 
> public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne 
> thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged the 
> air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I 
> was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. 
> My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some 
> sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off the 
> ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the bead of 
> a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality tubeless 
> tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. 
>
> First train ride:
>
> [image: IMG_3477.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the 
>> Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the sculptural 
>> design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not 
>> match the function very well. The function of the pedal is heavily reliant 
>> upon the pins. Remove the pins and you have a pretty terrible pedal, in 
>> terms of have a flat, consistent surface on which to evenly distribute 
>> weight, with some form of traction. The pins they come with are quite tall 
>> and aggressive, the type that will mark and damage your shoe sole overtime. 
>> They are quite effective, but, at least in my eyes, these are meant to be 
>> beautiful pedals for pleasure riding, not downhill mtb'ing. I modified them 
>> by putting in a mix of 1-2mm shorter brass m4 set screws. I like how they 
>> are now, but wouldn't purchase them again. I'll probably end up with some 
>> generic Shimano one-side platform/other side SPD pedal, as some of the dirt 
>> trails I like to go on tangent to my city are incredibly steep. 
>>
>> Right now I'm experimenting with some Rene Herse knobbies. They roll 
>> exceptionally well, are indeed quiet, but however, they have introduced a 
>> consistent buzz that is transmitted to the pedals--feedback which I'm not 
>> crazy about. Audibly they are indeed quiet. I'm VERY impressed by the 
>> durability of the endurance casing, I trashed these tires descending over 
>> 6000ft on some of the chunkiest rocks/terrain in southern california and 
>> not a hiccup. I did identify one of the knobs being slashed in half and 
>> flapping about, no risk of a puncture though. I'll probably switch back to 
>> RH slicks, or try a slick in the rear and knobby up front. 
>>
>> *As much as I do love the Platy so far, I think I would desire the 
>> additional tire clearance that an Appaloosa offers.* *If anyone has a 
>> 54-57cm lime-olive Appaloosa frame/fork, I would consider a purchase or 
>> trade. * Plus the additional convenience of a diamond frame, from extra 
>> water bottle, to more traditional frame bags/top tube bags, can't be denied 
>> for longer rides/future tours. 
>>
>> Picture from recent lunch on some grass.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3468.JPG]
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 3:33:22 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:
>>
>>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The complete build list is as follows. *