Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - Lugged Susie

[Valerie Yates]

I have both and consider them very different bikes. With the right tires, 
you can definitely ride your Appa on dirt and trails. It is my choice for 
loaded tours and scenic rides. The Susie has a very different feel to me. 
The tires can go much bigger and somehow its geometry makes me feel much 
more confident taking it on trails with more variable terrain. Downhills 
are a blast. But it is not my ride around town choice. To me, the Susie is 
the ultimate rigid mountain bike. It is big and bouncy and fun. If I could 
only have one, I consider the Appa more versatile. But it is mighty nice to 
have both. If you are on the fence, start taking your Appa on trails for 
now and see if you want a more dirt-oriented bike. 

Best,
Val in Boulder CO 
On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:35:30 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Can someone who’s ridden both bikes tell me: what’s the difference, 
> between the Susie and the Appaloosa? I’d like to start riding more dirt and 
> trails—but no crazy fast stuff or jumps—and I’m wondering if I should get a 
> Susie or just stick with my Appaloosa.
>
> Does the Susie have better clearance, geometry, and/or strength to make it 
> a better choice for dirt and trails? Or is the Susie similar enough to the 
> Appaloosa that I won’t notice the difference?

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SO SO bummed I missed out on the 54s. These really hit the sweet spot on 
the Riv ruler for me. 

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:

> I'm getting the bronzy green version Sam and am pretty excited. Moving 
> most of the parts from my Bridgestone T700 over which are mostly classic 
> silver finish. I've been researching traditional Rivendell elf costumes and 
> color schemes for some inspiration for *accoutrements and could use help 
> and suggestions. Maybe they are obvious and I'm just not seeing them. *
>
> Cheers
> JP in PH  
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Nay.
>> It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.
>>
>>
>> Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I have 
>> a few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and I am 
>> pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I also 
>> have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I appreciate 
>> their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, though, I'm 
>> inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the access 
>> while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 or F-19A 
>> rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top invites 
>> overloading.
>>
>> Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
>> periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
>> art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
>> It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
>> Minnesota Vikings colors. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[MoVelo]

I'm getting the bronzy green version Sam and am pretty excited. Moving most 
of the parts from my Bridgestone T700 over which are mostly classic silver 
finish. I've been researching traditional Rivendell elf costumes and color 
schemes for some inspiration for *accoutrements and could use help and 
suggestions. Maybe they are obvious and I'm just not seeing them. *

Cheers
JP in PH  

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
> Nay.
> It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.
>
>
> Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I have 
> a few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and I am 
> pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I also 
> have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I appreciate 
> their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, though, I'm 
> inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the access 
> while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 or F-19A 
> rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top invites 
> overloading.
>
> Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
> periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
> art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
> It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
> Minnesota Vikings colors. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - Lugged Susie

[Matthew Williams]

Can someone who’s ridden both bikes tell me: what’s the difference, between the 
Susie and the Appaloosa? I’d like to start riding more dirt and trails—but no 
crazy fast stuff or jumps—and I’m wondering if I should get a Susie or just 
stick with my Appaloosa.

Does the Susie have better clearance, geometry, and/or strength to make it a 
better choice for dirt and trails? Or is the Susie similar enough to the 
Appaloosa that I won’t notice the difference?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Sorry for my late reply!  I'm catching up on the posts after a busy week.

Brady, you are doing great and are smart to realize when it's not your day
and throw in the towel.  The SR series will happen, no doubt!

--Ted, I agree that sometimes we can get obsessed with the goal and both
fail to enjoy the process and pursue the goal to the detriment of our
health and wellbeing too.  At the same time I can relate to the sunk cost
situation where I am 11/12ths of the way there, and even though the 12th
one is going to be horrible, I don't want to start over at 1 again.

It's important to remind ourselves that we are riding for fun
(acknowledging that there are different types of "fun") and while
perseverance is something to foster, it should not be to the detriment of
our long-term health and well being.

Stay safe and have "fun"!
Toshi in Oakland, CA

P.S. I'm planning on a Santa Cruz 200k on June 22nd, which should be
relatively relaxed (compared to Bill's Marin mountains challenge!).  After
that a 100k mixed terrain ride up Mt. Tam--super fun SFR ride in August (El
Paseito Mixto).  Maybe I'll see some list members that day?

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[RBW] Re: revisted topic: plestcher double leg kickstands (not) fitting on rivs

[Michael Baquerizo]

Thank you for that info! Direct from the source at that. Kind of annoying 
Blue Lug is putting incompatible products on their builds, and so many of 
them, as it led me to believe there was a real solution. 

Kickstand won't be for mounting and dismounting the kid, he's actually 5 so 
im hoping with a quick boost he'll get on on his own. I'm using the Yepp 
Budget which is a version of the next seat after the Yepp Maxi like you 
have on there. I just like a kickstand and prefer a double. If necessary 
i'll get a big boy and donate this one to another bike. 

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4 Frakern wrote:

> Blue Lug put a double stand on our Clem Smith Jr when we bought it through 
> them. After a while it would rub on the tires when we had fatter tires on 
> it. As I recall when I took it back to Blue Lug and they adjusted it by 
> rotating it slightly and tightening down the bolts. But they said it would 
> eventually shift back and start rubbing again so this would need to be done 
> every once in a while. In the end I filed down the legs a bit with a metal 
> file where it was rubbing to try to give it more clearance. 
>
> Be aware though that if you're having a child carrier on the back rack the 
> bike won't be stable even with the plestcher double. At least for us, the 
> balance of the bike was such that with a child on the back seat the bike 
> would lean on the back wheel with the front wheel in the air and be 
> unstable. Without a child on the back seat the bike rests with the front 
> wheel down and the back wheel up. We ended up getting a different stand 
> that I can't recall the name of at the moment that was much larger and 
> folded out more in a v shape towards the front of the bike that made it 
> more stable. But as our son got older and heavier, the stand mount on the 
> bike started to bend and wear out. So be careful. 
>
> [image: PXL_20231130_045249926.jpg]
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 2:44:25 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> I tried this sometime a year or two ago. 
>>
>> I am very close to finishing up a clem L that will be a dedicated kid 
>> carrier (think mamafiet) with spoke protector, yepp budget seat, etc.
>>
>> i had a spare plestcher kickstand hanging around and wanted to get it on 
>> the bike. i KNOW blue lug does this, and it really doesn't matter the size 
>> tire. mine are not even close to maxed out on the bike and im still getting 
>> the dreaded rub (got the same on my country appaloosa) 
>>
>> does anyone have any experience wit this? has anyone asked blue lug how 
>> they do it? I am not a huge fan of single leggers and i don't really wan to 
>> spend money on a different kickstand ( but i will) 
>>
>> i'd love to get the one i have working. but am curious as to a sure fire 
>> way to do so. before anyone suggests, i've aready reached out to riv. they 
>> don't have any real solutions. but i know one exists. im determined.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> michael
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

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Whoa whoa whoa! The saddle is not IN my pants ma’am!My waistband functions like a handle kinda. Best if wearing jeans.Otherwise just use my abdomen to help push the bike up. I knew this would read poorly LOL! On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:40, Leah Peterson  wrote:I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! 🙏Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! 🙏Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:05:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and 
fender off the ground.


I hang my bikes vertically in my basement. My fendered bikes hang from 
their back wheels so the rear fender doesn't get crunched. They are 
definitely harder to hang that way. However, if you use a toe strap or 
Irish strap or similar to tie the back of the front wheel to the downtube, 
 you might find it's easier. I stand at the left side of the bike, left 
hand on left fork, right hand at the bottom of the seat tube, squat down 
and lift with your legs, keeping your right arm in tight to keep the bike 
in close to your body. YMMV

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:

Nay.
It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.


Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I have a 
few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and I am 
pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I also 
have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I appreciate 
their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, though, I'm 
inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the access 
while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 or F-19A 
rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top invites 
overloading.

Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
Minnesota Vikings colors. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Franco Rinaldi]

Wonder if a Clem would fit?Franco Rinaldi c:  646.403.0661 -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:05 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! 🙏Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[luckyturnip]

This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! 🙏Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never done vertical. Will the train guy help?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel and fender off the ground.Collin, back in BerkeleyOn Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh yes, please send that photo! 🙏Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[ian m]

On the other hand, a roll top is a very good method for keeping the 
elements out of a bag, and if you are otherwise running something like a 
basket with a cargo net then you are undoubtedly used to not accessing your 
stuff while riding. In such cases there are indeed times when a roll top 
has a place on a front bag

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:29:16 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 3:15:50 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
> For those who are getting a Periwinkle Sam ... what color combos are you 
> planning for your build?
>
>
> Thanks to Michael Connors for sharing the Blue Lug Periwinkle Sam photo. I 
> was struck by how much black is on it ... tire sidewalls, saddle, handlebar 
> wrap, basket bag ... and I'm not a fan of that look. My initial plan is to 
> swap all the parts over from my G-Road, which will mean tan sidewalls but 
> black saddle, black brake hoods, with handlebar wrap in a few shades of 
> blue and a navy handlebar bag.  Sim.Works just got in a collab with Randi 
> Jo, called the Muscovy handlebar bag, and this is an option I am 
> considering. Yay or Nay??
> [image: Image.jpeg]
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

PM sent on the Crust wheels.

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> On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some wheels and tires for sale:
> 
> 1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 130mm 
> rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd cassette, quick 
> release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few hundred miles.  
> Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets
> 
>Price:  $200 plus shipping.
> 
> 
> 
> Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, V-O 
> Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear hub 
> and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, lightly 
> used, again maybe a few hundred miles.
> 
> Webpage for Voyager rims:  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657
> 
> Webpage for V-O front hub:  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089
> 
>  Price:  $200 plus shipping.
> 
> 
> 
> Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 
> 
> Price: $50 plus shipping for both.
> 
> 
> 
>  Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around the 
> block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy FYI.
> 
> Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.
> 
>  
> Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7
> 
> Paypal or Venmo will work.
> 
> Thanks for looking,
> 
>  
> Ryan
> 
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[RBW] FS: Wheels and tires

[R Olson]

Hi All,

I have some wheels and tires for sale:

1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 130mm 
rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd cassette, 
quick release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few hundred 
miles.  Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets

   Price:  $200 plus shipping.


Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, V-O 
Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru rear hub 
and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, lightly 
used, again maybe a few hundred miles.

Webpage for Voyager rims:  
https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657

Webpage for V-O front hub:  
https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089

 Price:  $200 plus shipping.


Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 

Price: $50 plus shipping for both.


 Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode around 
the block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy FYI.

Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.

 

Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7

Paypal or Venmo will work.

Thanks for looking,

 

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Leah Peterson]

Oh yes, please send that photo! 🙏Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this momentOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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[RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Collin A]

I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a week. 
I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no one on 
Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop on.

The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The 
“hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter 
is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the 
bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. 

I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.
Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this moment

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too 
> long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are 
> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>
> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
> know. 
>
> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
> that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
> wheels with the 42mm tires!
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Saddle Design

[Steve]

Cheeky!

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 2:29:09 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Needs saddlebag loops. :)
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 2:23 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Not quite my style, but an interesting design...
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>
>> Introducing vabsRider by ataraxyBSC 
>> 
>> youtube.com 
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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Mackenzy Albright]

John - Don't stress too much. Moving from traditional triangle frames to 
step-though super long riv's I've realized the amount of flexibility of fit 
with Riv's. So much is based on personal opinion and personal ergonomics. I 
found on my Riv I like a short low stem with wide swept back bars. It gives 
me a good hip hinge angle and should stance that prevents neck pain that I 
personally struggle with from an inury. I ride holding in front of the 
levers a lot when I am pedaling at a high cadence. Riv's are also generally 
very easy to swap parts shifter and bar wrap pending. I'd recommend waiting 
to use wrapped bars or internal routing of cables (for example bar end 
shifters) until things have dialed in. 
On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-7 gds...@gmail.com wrote:

> By the way I think your bike fit looks fine.
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7:43:03 AM UTC-6 Gordon Stam wrote:
>
>> John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make 
>> similar faces. It is, after all, serious business!
>>
>> And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
>> the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
>> happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this one: 
>> https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
>>> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
>>> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
>>> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>>>
>>> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
>>> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
>>> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
>>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
 experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
 more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
 speculation though.

 I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
 two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
 time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
 between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
 while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the 
 axis 
 of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
 turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
 the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting 
 behind 
 the axle as currently mocked up? 

  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
 were still worried you got the wrong size.

 Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second 
 riv.  But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other 
 rivendell models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, 
 compared to my first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  
 My 
 AR, Ram, Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
 characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd 
 consider 
 getting a different model for variety's sake.
 On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>
> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 
> 26" Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 
> 100mm Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my 
> PBH 
> is about 78. 
>
> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>
> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt 
> ok-ish. Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too 
> stretched out and not really cramped either. 
>
> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
> used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, 
> we 
> all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
> frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>
> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus 
> would be too large? 
>
> Thanks y'all! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis 55 for sale

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Bump and price drop. 
Frame and fork for *$1300*.  I can also sell the complete bike. We can 
negotiate the price depending on wheel set. The bike is available in 
Danville, CA for test rides/local pick up. Shipping can be arranged through 
a local bike shop. 

Thanks for looking . 

Deepak

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:04:49 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> Bump and an update .
> I have decided to offer frame and fork for $1500.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 20:26 atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have decided to sell my Atlantis to fund for Sam. I believe that this 
>> is 2019 model. I am the second owner. The bike is excellent condition and 
>> may be with normal wear and tear (See photo, no dents or scratches visible 
>> to naked eyes). Also the original owner had seat tube reamed to 27.2. The 
>> only reason I am selling is that for my weight and riding habits Sam would 
>> probably suit me better and the new color is very tempting! Asking for 
>> $1600 frame (I would like to keep all the components for Sam build) ,pre 
>> shipping. I might be persuaded to sell cranks, we can discuss.  I am based 
>> out of east bay, CA  and would prefer local sale. Now the big caveat! I 
>> will only sell if the new Sam frame (54) is still available at the time of 
>> sale! 
>>
>> thanks for looking. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_0797.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: HHH changes and ride report

['Phillip Hathaway' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks like you had beautiful weather. My wife and I rode from Elkins to 
Montrose last year at this time with similar weather but the trail was 
closed for a bit beyond that for road construction and then again beyond 
Parsons for trail maintenance. Is it completely open from Elkins to Thomas 
now? It's a beautiful and quiet ride when the weather is fine!

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7:48:08 AM UTC-6 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> After talking with Will from Rivendell at the Philadelphia Bike Expo about 
> he has his HHH setup I decided to make some changes to ours (although the 
> sweptback bars work well for me on my Clem, I and my stoker did not like 
> the position on longer rides on the HHH). I put Wavie bars on for the 
> stoker, and similar profile VO bars on for the captain, plus wider Teravail 
> Ehline tires from Riv to make it even better on unpaved surfaces. 
>
>
> Last Saturday my wife and I took the HHH on its first longer 
> post-transformation ride. We rode 61 miles on the Allegheny Highlands and 
> Blackwater Canyon trails between Elkins and Thomas, WV. 
>
>
> The Allegheny Highlands Trail has some pavement, but is mostly gravel dual 
> track, and the Blackwater Canyon trail is a mix of rough gravel road and 
> single track. 
>
>
> The HHH did great on this ride — we were comfortable, and the bike was 
> transformed. We’d previously offered this bike for sale, as it is the least 
> used of our 4 tandems, but now have both decided it’s a keeper, and plan on 
> more rides like this one where our other tandems would not be good at all. 
>
>
> The photos are of the HHH on the Blackwater Canyon Trail (and one of the 
> shot of the single track which is most of that trail) and one with oncoming 
> cyclists (two of only 5 we saw all day!) which shows the general nature of 
> most of the Allegheny Highlands Trail. 
>
>
> Julian Westerhout
>
> Bloomington, IL 
>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Mathias Steiner]

Nay.
It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:29:16 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 3:15:50 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
> For those who are getting a Periwinkle Sam ... what color combos are you 
> planning for your build?
>
>
> Thanks to Michael Connors for sharing the Blue Lug Periwinkle Sam photo. I 
> was struck by how much black is on it ... tire sidewalls, saddle, handlebar 
> wrap, basket bag ... and I'm not a fan of that look. My initial plan is to 
> swap all the parts over from my G-Road, which will mean tan sidewalls but 
> black saddle, black brake hoods, with handlebar wrap in a few shades of 
> blue and a navy handlebar bag.  Sim.Works just got in a collab with Randi 
> Jo, called the Muscovy handlebar bag, and this is an option I am 
> considering. Yay or Nay??
> [image: Image.jpeg]
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
>
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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Tim Tetrault]

You definitely aren't alone in feeling the "Surly needs spacers" 
comfort/discomfort issue. It looks like the brand is course correcting with 
current models, perhaps.

Congrats on the Riv. 

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 11:44:19 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your kind words. I'm enjoying the bike more the 
> more I ride it - it engenders a different, more relaxed pace - perfect for 
> exploring.
>
> Eric, your Appaloosa with Ortho bars was an insipiration for me, so your 
> words mean a lot!
>
> Jay - funny you mention C&L, because this frame actually made its way to 
> me from them! They are super nice people and I love what they're doing with 
> bikes (obviously).
>
> On Saturday 6 April 2024 at 05:17:36 UTC+10:30 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great post and run-down, Dan! The Appaloosa is lookin' good. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:29:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> I also love this post!
>>>
>>> I was in C&L Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
>>> caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.
>>>
>>> That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new bike. 
 It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 

 mike in austin tx


 On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. 
> I’ve gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this 
> forum, 
> so it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>
>
> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
> Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein 
> in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and 
> that 
> they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read 
> about 
> the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw 
> was 
> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell 
> fan 
> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what 
> I 
> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
> reality.
>
>
> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little 
> bit about the other bikes in my stable…
>
>
> *Surly Straggler*
>
> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any 
> research on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all 
> bike, one that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding 
> anywhere and everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all 
> my expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It 
> does 
> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers 
> I 
> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, 
> though 
> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought 
> this 
> bike.
>
>
> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>
>
> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>
> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have 
> more than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry 
> Barentsen 
> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could 
> get 
> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head 
> tube 
> graphic sold me instantly!
>
> This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - 
> the wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with 
> me. 
> It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
> practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike 
> that 
> non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
> ride upright.
>
>
> [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]
>
>
> *Why Appaloosa?*
>
> Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun 

[RBW] Re: Out and About with My Quickbeam

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

My Quickbeam and I have been to so many places together, but even a short 
ride like this is still fun. 


For storage reasons I have had to keep my herd thinned, but if that wasn't 
the case the Quickbeam might be the first bike I'd re-acquire.

td 

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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Gordon Stam]

By the way I think your bike fit looks fine.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7:43:03 AM UTC-6 Gordon Stam wrote:

> John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make 
> similar faces. It is, after all, serious business!
>
> And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
> the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
> happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this one: 
> https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
>> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
>> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
>> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>>
>> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
>> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
>> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
>>> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
>>> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
>>> speculation though.
>>>
>>> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
>>> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
>>> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
>>> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
>>> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
>>> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
>>> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
>>> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
>>> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>>>
>>>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
>>> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>>>
>>> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
>>> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
>>> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
>>> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
>>> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
>>> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
>>> getting a different model for variety's sake.
>>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 

 Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
 Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
 Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
 about 78. 

 How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 

 Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt 
 ok-ish. Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too 
 stretched out and not really cramped either. 

 To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
 used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we 
 all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
 frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
 Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 

 Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
 be too large? 

 Thanks y'all! 



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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Gordon Stam]

John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make similar 
faces. It is, after all, serious business!

And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this 
one: https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/



On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>
> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
>> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
>> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
>> speculation though.
>>
>> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
>> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
>> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
>> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
>> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
>> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
>> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
>> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
>> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>>
>>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
>> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>>
>> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
>> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
>> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
>> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
>> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
>> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
>> getting a different model for variety's sake.
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>>>
>>> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
>>> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
>>> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
>>> about 78. 
>>>
>>> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>>>
>>> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt ok-ish. 
>>> Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too stretched 
>>> out and not really cramped either. 
>>>
>>> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
>>> used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we 
>>> all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
>>> frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
>>> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>>>
>>> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
>>> be too large? 
>>>
>>> Thanks y'all! 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Garth]

You could always take your bike(s) down to the local Amrak station and ask 
if you can go onoard a train while it's stopped to see if the  given bike 
will fit. Even if you have to buy a ticket to enter, check the fit, and 
leave before it departs, it's not like it's expensive !  I have no idea how 
long it's stopped for, so do check beforehand ! 
On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 10:41:26 PM UTC-4 DTL wrote:

> Oh it's a hook system, yeah I have run into that on a ferry, and did use a 
> strap because the rear wheel did't come off the ground when the front had 
> been hooked (and this bikes 'dimensions' was 29 x 2.3wheels, 450mm CS, 
> 435mm Reach)
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 12:24:00 PM UTC+10 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Another thing you may want to consider is bringing an extra Voile strap as 
> additional security for hanging your bike on the hook. One time, while 
> returning on Amtrak after finishing the GAP, I discovered that my bike had 
> bounced off the hook at some point. Luckily there was no damage or 
> anything, but I would personally strap my wheel to the hook to avoid that 
> possibility next time.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY 
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 10:03 PM, DTL  wrote:
>
> Even by non-rivendell standards 74 inches end to end isn't that big - a 
> modern gravel bike barely fits (thinking 700c 40mm tires, 440mm chainstays) 
> so add larger tires, or longer reach of a mountain bike and you're plum out 
> of luck.  
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