Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Chris Chen]

This thread is bit confusing to me.

Fender related crashes seem anecdotal, I live in western Oregon so rain is
far from anecdotal.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 09:50 Brian Campbell  wrote:

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> from 38mm EL Barlow Pass to 35mm EL Bon Jon Pass tires.
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Re: [RBW] Wheel not centered?

[Chris Chen]

The wheel should be centered, definitely. Re-dish it?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Zack  wrote:

> Hey All -
>
> Question for ya.
>
> I have a 64 cm canti Sam, I switched tires to Rock n Roads, and I don't
> have enough clearance between the chainstays. Plenty of room everywhere
> else.
>
> The odd part of it is the wheel is closer to the left chainstay than to
> the right. It's not a huge difference, maybe 4-5 mm, but I feel like if the
> wheel was centered, the tires would fit. I double checked to make sure the
> tire was sitting correctly in the dropouts, no dice.
>
> Any ideas on why the tire might not be centered between the stays?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[Chris Chen]

It never gets that bad here in Portland but the last time we had a freak
snowstorm that put a few inches right before rush hour, I rode my 23mm
tyred, old Cannondale race bike home from work, just riding nice and slow;
the narrow tires cut nicely through the slow.

A magical memory.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> During the blizzard (Saturday?) I saw a guy on the news dressed in modern
> looking kit with a carbon looking drop bar bike going down the road in DC
> or Baltimore, can't remember which. May have been Va somewhere. Alexandria,
> possibly? They briefly interviewed him. He had what looked like a Supernova
> headlight on his helmet. He was just talking about how nice it is to get
> out and ride, or something like that. I thought it was cool how he was
> pedaling along on a non-optimized bike for the conditions and seemed to be
> doing just fine. It may have been a modernish cyclocross bike, But it
> definitely wasn't a fat bike. It was modern roadie looking. Tough man.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Removing powder coat from canti brake studs

[Chris Chen]

It may also be nice to wear some breathing protection, or sand wet!

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:13 PM, WETH  wrote:

> Tim,
> This happened on a a bike I had powder coated.  Sandpaper worked fine.
> And all was covered when the brakes were installed on the posts.  I had to
> do the same thing to the downtube shifter bosses.
> All the best,
> Erl
>
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 3:15:26 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I recently had the frame and fork of my '88 Schwinn KOM blasted and
>> powder coated.  I went with a clear powder with a little sparkle in it, and
>> it looks fantastic.  I'll post pictures once I take some.
>>
>> The blast and powder was less than $150 total (hooray!) but the shop
>> didn't mask the brake posts on the fork or frame (boo!).  The cantilever
>> (and U-brake) calipers don't fit over the now-thicker posts.  This shop is
>> regarded well for bicycle jobs, so perhaps they assigned it to a new guy
>> that day.
>>
>> What's the best method to remove the powder coat from these spots?
>>
>>- Sandpaper?  Start with very coarse grit and work finer?
>>- Wire brush?  I think I have one for my Dremel tool
>>- Chem stripper?  I could brush it on precisely with a paintbrush
>>- Razor blade?  (whittling method) May be the easiest way to start
>>
>> Regardless of the method, I'll fit a washer around the base of the post
>> to protect the rest of the frame from my efforts.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim Gavin
>> Cedar Rapids, IA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Chris Chen]

FWIW I've been very happy with the SKF bottom bracket Compass sells.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> Thanks Anton - the Atlantis already has a hole right at the bottom of the
> shell. I was pleasantly surprised to find very little surface rust anywhere
> inside the frame. I obviously couldn't see inside the seat and chain stays,
> but the chain stays are sloped downwards so any rust would probably be
> toward the BB shell, which looked clean so far as I could see. I treated
> external surface rust with some clear nail polish, which is a short-term
> fix. I've rubbed the paint off from muddy tires and dropped chains, so it's
> fairly minor, but this should help slow it down till I one-day repaint it.
>
>
> Regarding the Phil BB - I was using their new weather shields. I started
> to wonder if they actually trap water INSIDE, rather than keep it out. I
> mean of course they keep a lot of water out. But if the bb is ever
> submerged momentarily, I could see them filling up and retaining water
> against the seals. This is just a suspicion, I have no way of knowing it.
> Either way, the only point of entry for water to access the bearings on a
> Phil BB would be from the outside (the inside is protected by the bearing
> retaining shell and mounting rings), so clearly they aren't preventing
> moisture from getting at them very well. I hope I can find some good
> bearings locally and fabricate some kind of bearing press to install them.
> Bummer that I JUST traded my other Phil BB with new bearings in it for a WI
> BB!
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> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Anton Tutter  wrote:
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>> Good luck with the FluidFilm, I've heard the stuff is great. I had been
>> using FrameSaver and liked it a lot, but switched to Boeshield once when
>> there seemed to be a worldwide shortage of FrameSaver.  Boeshield doesn't
>> seem to dry as waxy as FrameSaver, and whatever residue it leaves behind is
>> very thin, but I suppose it's better than nothing.
>>
>> If you haven't already put a new BB in, while the BB shell is empty you
>> might want to drill a small (1/8") hole through the bottom of the BB shell
>> if the Atlantis's shell isn't already drilled. It is the best way to ensure
>> that any trapped moisture or even standing water drains and vents. You can
>> dab a little FluidFilm on the bare metal exposed from drilling. I've done
>> this on a few bikes and have been glad I did.
>>
>> Anton
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>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:35:59 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>>> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame
>>> and gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I
>>> used painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from
>>> the top liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to
>>> coat everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside
>>> my apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a
>>> bit, into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but
>>> rather retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news
>>> was I discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings
>>> already. Not impressed.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:

 I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry
 it too.

 KJ


 On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've
> used Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times
> over the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with
> Boeshield or LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be
> periodically repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,
>  with , I think, lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I
>> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It
>> was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt
>> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere?
>>
>> White vinegar!
>>
>> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with
>> vinegar, and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose
>> when I'd shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times 
>> a
>> day. A week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it 
>> came
>> out 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to
>> prevent rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, 
>> but
>> the vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty
>> bicycle frame.
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Re: [RBW] Pogies for Albastache?

[Chris Chen]

Fwiw I've used the pogies I have now on my albastaches without too much of
an issue.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> I talked to the owner of Portland Pogies and she's made a bigger version
> that should work rather well on the albastaches...check her out
>
> portlandpogies.com
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Jackson <
> daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Anyone found a non custom set of pogies out there that works well for the
>> albastache?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> D.
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Re: [RBW] Pogies for Albastache?

[Chris Chen]

I talked to the owner of Portland Pogies and she's made a bigger version
that should work rather well on the albastaches...check her out

portlandpogies.com

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone found a non custom set of pogies out there that works well for the
> albastache?
>
> Thanks,
> D.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike(s) for sale. 2 Rivendells plus 2 Rivendell wanna-be's

[Chris Chen]

Sorry to hear about the crunch but it sounds like things'll be better all
around!

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I love your preemptive bike money scheming. Very well done.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
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>
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 10:24:40 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> My wife is getting laid off.  In the grand scheme of things, I think
>> that's a very good thing, because I think her part time job combined with
>> all the other things in her life was running her ragged.  I think this will
>> force her to slow down and enjoy herself a little bit more.  Financially,
>> we'll be totally fine.
>>
>> ButI anticipate her new incomeless situation will bring on an
>> inevitable bout of frugality.  That is bound to bring back to her attention
>> my ample stable of bikes.  Add to that my forthcoming Appaloosa, and it
>> just doesn't look that good.  So, I'd like to put out a feeler, as they say
>> for the bikes that can be liberated from my stable.  If there's something I
>> have that you've been eagerly waiting to acquire, perhaps we can make
>> something happen.
>>
>> 1.  58cm Atlantis:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157649658062495
>>
>> I was sitting around waiting for this to come available, and it did, and
>> I jumped on it.  I bought this frameset from the list for $1000 and I went
>> to pick it up.  Frame+fork+headset.  I anticipate that the Appaloosa can
>> become my touring bike, and I want to give that a good long try.  So, this
>> Atlantis is available.  I offer the frameset for what I paid: $1000 picked
>> up.  I'm willing to discuss a complete bike.  The album above has a lot of
>> photos.  The current state of the build is slightly more evolved, but most
>> folks will want to gobble up the frameset and be done with it, so I'll just
>> start it there.
>>
>> 2.  56cm Single TT Canti-Hillborne:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157641634237375
>>
>> My first Rivendell.  I bought it from Riv in 2009 for $1050 + tax.  I
>> rode it for a while and bought a few more Rivendells.  I sold it to a
>> friend of a friend when I was scraping together dollars for a move.  $750
>> for Frame + Fork + headset.  A couple years later that friend of a friend
>> still hadn't built it, so I bought it back for $750.  Now you can buy the
>> frame + fork + headset for $750 picked up.  We can discuss complete bike
>> and shipping options.  It's built up now very svelte and sporty with Barlow
>> Pass EL tires on it.
>>
>> 3.  58cm Gunnar Quickbeam lookalike:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157642798847383
>>
>> I also picked this up off the list, while keeping my eyes open for a 58cm
>> Quickbeam.  It's a Waterford made custom Gunnar, made to replicate a
>> quickbeam.  It has Tektro 559 caliper brakes, like a current Hillborne, and
>> will take 700x38s with fenders like a Hillborne will.  I have it currently
>> set up as a two speed, which the pictures try to demonstrate.  I'm willing
>> to entertain frameset or complete bike requests.  Frame+fork+headset $800
>> picked up.
>>
>> 4.  56cm Schwinn Paramountain Clem lookalike:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157641291971794
>>
>> My Clemish Mountain bike build may also be made redundant by the
>> Appaloosa.  I kind of want to keep this because I'll still ride this bike
>> when my son and I do an S24O.  Just the rack, dynamo hub and Edeluxe lamp,
>> and the Bosco Bullmoose handlebars are worth $650 as you all know.  Anyway,
>> $1000 complete, picked up, if you are eager.
>>
>> I'm not in a desperate hurry over the holidays, but wanted to give the
>> list a heads up.  If I know you and you just want "dibs", that's cool.  Let
>> me know, and we can get into all the details.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity Dyad/Aerohead vs Atlas

[Chris Chen]

Same here. Dyad/Aeroheat on three bikes (I swear I didn't intend this):

700x35 for road
650bx42 for road gravel
650bx54 for rough stuff

And I load 'em up up. I weigh ~145 and put a fair amount on the front and
back; 36 hole.

The Atlas is pretty rim and I think it's a tiny bit wider which might be
nice, but don't ding the Dyad for any perceived strength deficiencies,
'cause where aren't any.

Another take away is what tires and pressures you plan to run; The tire
takes a lot of the brunt of the weight, and with a high enough final
tension on your spokes, you should be great!

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:27 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Dyads are 24mm outside width.  I weigh 400 lbs and I've been running
Dyads (Rich Lesnik built) for three years with zero problems.  I don't put
in a ton of miles and I like to think I ride pretty "light" for my size so
I doubt I've even come close to putting my wheels to any kind of test.  The
closest I've come was a high speed jump off a curb (operator errorI
wouldn't willingly do that) and the only negative from that might have been
a spoke that became a little loose, although the wheel remained true.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 8:38:53 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Well I have he Atlas on my Bombadil, only thing to watch if you like
50's is the width.  I do believe the Atlas is 25 and dyads are what 22?
Forgot
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:47:46 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking to get a wheel set built with either of these two rims in 650b
flavor.
>>>
>>> I'm about 150lbs and don't carry much more than 20 pounds of overnight
camping gear. Most it'll see is the C&O in the summer. Is the Atlas
overkill? I also will commute 20 miles with just my lunch in the saddle
bag, so I don't want to be too much of a slug.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Phil
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Re: [RBW] I finally bought a Rivendell -- Cheviot!

[Chris Chen]

Fantastic! I love the Orange.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Lynne Cooney  wrote:

> Five years after almost buying a Betty Foy, but opting for a Retrovelo
> instead (and I do like my Retrovelo better than the Betty Foy), I rode home
> on this Cheviot today.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/69421720@N02/22411754631/in/dateposted/
>
> Next up: an Atlantis. I like rigid mountain bikes, but I'm old and slow
> and was hit by a car a few years ago. I don't actually want to do any
> mountain biking or go fast. I just like to ride bikes to get around.
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Re: [RBW] Keven

[Chris Chen]

When I was recovering from my crash, I called RBW to get a quote and Keven
had heard about it and was already in the process of ordering me a new
frame. It made me feel so incredibly special and cared for.

And he's like that with everyone!

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Zack  wrote:

> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.
>
> Go Kev Go!
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Re: [RBW] Coffee outside.

[Chris Chen]

It's okay to be boring sometimes :)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> Finally got myself doing a Coffee Outside:
> http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2015/10/coffeeneuring-2015-coffee-outside.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Switchback Hills (650BX48)

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My 56cm 650b Toyo Hilsen has a SA serial number.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Minh  wrote:

> Hmm i seem to remember near the end of the Saluki run that they morphed
> into Hilsens or was it the other way around that the final Salukis got
> badged at Hilsens?
>
> Intersting that Tom's Saluki is an outlier, i think that makes it more
> desirable than a standard Saluki!
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:45:40 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> I'll take some tonight.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] (Somewhat OT): Women's Unracer Bike Shop Opens in Alexandria, VA

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Lovely!

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Kevin Lindsey 
wrote:

> Apologies if this is too off-topic, but this afternoon I stumbled on Lotus
> Pedal (www.lotus-pedal.com), a new bike shop that just opened in Old Town
> Alexandria.  It's heavy with Linus and Pashley bikes, pushes Brooks
> saddles, and is aimed chiefly at the burgeoning women riders market.
> Amanda, the manager, is very enthusiastic and, of course, an avid cyclist.
> If any of you happen to be on King Street in the near future, it's worth
> checking out.
> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Small Items to add to a RBW Order.

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Irish straps. Twine. Those black washers that go on silver shifters because
*I* always seem to crack them.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

> Matthauser brake shoes and reflective tape (their's is the best).
>
> Marc
>
> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 10:54:50 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
>> I'm putting together a Riv order to take advantage of a birthday coupon
>> and thought I'd treat myself to some extras this year.
>> What are your favorite small items (under $20) that Riv carries?
>> Bike or non-bike related items welcomed.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] A very nice bike!

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When set up right, moustache/albastache bars feel great. A very "in the
bike" feeling.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Stopped off at Stevie's today thinking I'd work, but Brad with the Orange
> Ford Transit Based hobby/retirement bike repair business was there by
> mistake and I let him take the day. Brad was there on his Schwinn LeTour:
> very, very nice: repainted black with bronze or copper trim, small
> Saddlesack, large flange Phil front hub, rear 2 sp kickback, B 17, and
> Moustaches on 8 cm Nitto Dirt Drop stem. Soma 37 mm tires.
>
> I rode it around the parking lot: a very very comfortable bike; and forgot
> to take a photo. The LeTour has me reconsidering Moustache bars.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Red

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I think the color party on the rear rack makes up for it :)

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I'm not big on bikes in earth tones (or cars).  While black bikes look
> beautiful, invisible bike riders in low morning and evening sunlight and
> bad weather are dumb.
> Red is good.  Orange is good.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

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They match very very well.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> What did you end up buying by the way? Yeah, a neat new bike does make you
> fell like Christmas morning when you're 10 years old
>
> Silver fenders do look nice, but I suspect the SKS Cream longboards are a
> pretty decent match for the cream headtube. Whatever you decide, post
> pictures.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ryan in Winnipeg
>
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 12:19:58 PM UTC-5, Fred Craven wrote:
>>
>> I put wider tires on my Rivendell and the existing fenders are, now, too
>> narrow. So, I'm getting wider ones.
>>
>> Silver is an old standby (very nice; classic) But I also like the idea of
>> cream fenders.
>> Does the Cream match, or mostly match, the Riv Headtube Cream?
>>
>> Since Rivendell sells the cream, I assume that it looks fine, but I
>> appreciate your input.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weekend s24o report - Waist deep booze! Gourmet food in many courses! Slightly Hungover!

[Chris Chen]

You're not gonna try and ride across the bay down by the Dumbarton Bridge?
It's really quite shallow there

:)

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Haha
>
> Thank you Mark for playing along.  It really was intended as an S24O
> shakedown, and I think Henry's ready to do it.  As soon as next weekend we
> might take the tandem on BART to SF Embarcadero and ride the 30 miles out
> to Samuel P Taylor and overnight in the hiker biker sites.
>
>
> On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 2:00:15 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Man, sounds downright glamours! Next time invite me, I think I've seen
>> the light!
>>
>> On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> No pics (so maybe it didn't happen).
>>>
>>> We have friends who come to California every August.  We had gotten into
>>> the habit of car camping at Samuel P Taylor Park in Marin.  Last year we
>>> bagged that because the bathrooms were being re-done.  We instead camped
>>> out in a Berkeley Backyard.  It went so well that we decided to make that
>>> the tradition.
>>>
>>> So, Henry (14 yr old) and I practiced our S24O setup on our Ibis Road
>>> Tandem.  We packed tent, two sleeping bags, two thermarests and a change of
>>> clothes on the bike, and rode the ~6 miles from El Cerrito to North
>>> Berkeley via Arlington on Saturday afternoon.  We camped in the back yard.
>>> I had quite a bit more of my share of beer from Fieldwork Brewery (a newish
>>> Berkeley Brewery that has about a dozen indoor bike hooks, FYI).  We ate a
>>> bunch of Hunan style Chinese food made in the outdoor wok.  We did homemade
>>> dumplings in shrimp, pork, and shrimp+pork.  On Sunday, after lots and lots
>>> of bacon, and longanisa, and leftovers fried rice, Henry and I rode the
>>> tandem back up the hill to El Cerrito.
>>> I think I got a bug bite.
>>>
>>> Bill way-less-adventurous-but-I-did-get-out-overnight Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: A. Lazarus Homer

[Chris Chen]

Bob K at Bantam Bicycle Works (he made my orange "General Chen's Chicken"
porteur bike) did the repair and fabricated the rando bag rack with light
mount and detachable lowrider pannier mounts.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeforvictory/sets/72157649319728809

His work is excellent.

cc

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Tell us about your front rack setup.  I like it.
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 1:12:14 PM UTC-7, Chris Chen wrote:
>>
>> It's getting close...
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/20344270412/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ballad of the short arms

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Never matters if it's new or used, you can have the same amount of fun
regardless. Congrats!

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Fred Craven  wrote:

> As an update, we are moving forward with the purchase, I will soon be a
> new (used) bike owner.
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[RBW] A. Lazarus Homer

[Chris Chen]

It's getting close...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/20344270412/

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Re: [RBW] Finally done it.

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Welcome Wayne! But of course, you've always been with us anyway.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> It's been a long time coming.  After being in this group for I don't know
> how long, I have finally become a legitimate, fully fledged member by
> purchasing a lovely new Clem Smith, Jr. bicycle.  I got the medium size,
> and I got it in green.  Partly because that was the only color left when I
> ordered and mostly because that was the color I liked best.  It was just
> luck that the green was left, but the other colors would have been fine.
> Now all the medium size Clems are sold out, so it's fortunate that I
> purchased when I did.
> This bike is significant to me because it is a reward to myself, from
> myself, for getting my act cleaned up.  First off, it will be a year next
> month that I have been following Grant's low carb diet regimen.  Really, it
> was Grant who got me started.  I had emailed him to ask which Riv bike a
> fat guy might ride and enjoy.  He replied back that almost any would work,
> but that if interested, he would send me a copy of Gary Taubes book "Why We
> Get Fat."  I had my doubts that anything like a "fad" diet would be
> helpful, but decided to at least read the book.  Grant sent me the book and
> I read it.  I was recovering from a work related knee injury at the time
> and so had plenty of time to read.  Then one morning I got on our scale and
> I weighed 263 lbs., ten pounds more than my 'normal' weight.  That made the
> decision for me.  Now nearly a year later, I am at 215 lbs.  Yes, I do have
> more to go, but this is about the halfway point.  It's all down hill from
> here, right?  And in that same year I have given up drinking and
> ditched my Lexapro script (with support of Dr.).  Now that last, about the
> booze, might sound more dramatic than it really was.  It's not like I had
> to go to rehab and detox, or anything like that.  I just had to make a
> decision.  But now I am starting what feels like a new life and it will be
> on a new bike.
> It is the least of all Rivs, yes, but I think the Clem will do just fine
> by me.  In my view, the Clem is 90% of a Hunqapillar at 30% of the price,
> so I think it is a bargain.  These last few weeks will drag the longest now
> until the Clems are ready for delivery, but I am very happy and grateful to
> be standing where I am.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

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- 56 650b Hilsen
- 57 700c Hilsen rebuilt with S&S Couplers, Canti Posts, and Low-trail Fork
- Bantam Bicycles "General Chen's Chicken" "Sport Delivery"
- ~94 Stump Jumper Comp

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> I'll play
>
> - Jones Diamond Truss Frame with fat front
> - Boulder All-Road
> - Rivendell Cheviot
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Bike, Book, and Hatcheting

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Nicely done!

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> Over the weekend, I had a pretty BBH kinda ride!  We had a bad storm last
> Friday evening resulting in, sadly, more injured trees in our nearby park.
> While it pains me deeply to see the damage, I am a budding green-wood
> carver and so off the Riv and I went with a Silky Big Boy Saw
> 
> and a large messenger bag to harvest some bits of fresh downed green wood.
> Using a Gransfors Bruk carving axe and a set of Del Stubbs
>  sloyd and compound-curve spoon knives,
> the logs turn into splits and then into spoons.  Should you want to catch
> up on how to carve your own spoon, get this book
> .  Anyway,
> here are some photos and a spoon.
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Re: [RBW] The Silver Hubs

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Yeah I spent a lot of time looking at pictures of the hubs...They
definitely look like cartridge hubs, since I don't see any cup and cone
wrench flanges... :)

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Ginz  wrote:

> What do y'all think of the new Silver hubs?  Are they cartridge
> bearing'd?  It looks that way in the photo but I'm not certain.
>
> I've been thinking of building up a rear mtb wheel for the Hunq using
> Shimano XT.  This would be better, I think.
>
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Re: [RBW] Question re Decal Removal

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YMMV but generally the decals go under the clearcoat, so...

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Jim S.  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience dealing with a damaged decal.
>
> The bike is an Atlantis. Not the end of the world, but the seat-tube decal
> is cracked and bubbling off. Does anyone know of a method of removal
> without otherwise damaging the paint? No decal would look better than a
> bubbly one.
>
> Thanks for any expertise you might share.
>
> Jim S.
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Re: [RBW] ride of remembrance

[Chris Chen]

Beautiful.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Eunice Chang  wrote:

> I've been meaning to write this since last year.
>
> Most of you know Seth Vidal, who frequented RBW list and who was killed in
> a hit and run two years ago. One of the things he liked was the ride
> reports. He'd share them with me and we'd plan rides.
>
> I joined the list a few months after he died, mostly just to update the
> group, but I've also read some of your ride reports, and they were very,
> very helpful on getting me back on the bike and rediscovering a new, but
> different, kind of joy that only bicycles can provide. I thought I'd
> contribute as well. It's also my small way of saying thanks for your
> support, intentional or not.
>
> I've organized rides of remembrance on the day he died, and I rode his
> Hilsen in both cases. This year, a friend of mine borrowed my QB for the
> memorial ride so two Rivs were well represented. :)
>
> The ride was roughly 2 miles- it was just a slow roll through the
> neighborhood to the area where Seth was killed, to where the ghost bike
> was,  have a moment of silence, and then through a very short trail along
> Ellerbee Creek and back to the starting point. We went to a pub later. The
> most amazing thing was that when we all lined up in front of the ghost
> bike, traffic actually slowed down (it almost never does- it's a 35 mph but
> since it leads to highways on both ends, most folks go 45-50).
>
> I led the ride, but I am a terrible ride leader. Last year, I rode really
> fast ahead of the pack and it became a joke (after years of riding the
> tandem and having Seth tell me to pedal harder, it's kind of hard to break
> the habit). This year a friend took me for an impromptu 14 mile ride the
> day before and another friend made sure I had a few beers in before the
> ride. I apparently still went too fast, and someone kind of had to chase me
> down to make sure I waited for the group. And honestly, I tried to slow
> down. It's not my fault Rivs are extremely efficient machines.
>
> And I would have taken photos, except I managed to destroy my camera with
> the water from the bouquet of sunflowers (Seth's favorite) that I left at
> the ghost bike. So I've collected others' into this album:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157655728650855
>
> Keep riding and writing. You never know who you might reach.
>
> -Eunice "still enjoying the ride" Chang
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] encomium of SaddleSack Medium as a daily commute bag

[Chris Chen]

Classy!

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean <
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I typically ride my bike a short distance (1-5 miles) to a train, then a
> train 40-50 minutes into work.
>
> Recently I've settled into using my SaddleSack Medium as my daily commute
> bag. On a normal day it's pretty empty; lunch, hat, minimal gear don't
> really challenge it. (I store tube/tools/etc separately.) But it also
> swallows up rain cape & splats, additional snacks/tea/coffee, gloves, extra
> layers, general cargo, and still has room for a laptop when needed. The
> side pockets are great for wallet/phone/glasses/keys, which remain mid-ride
> accessible.
>
> In the past few weeks the ACW mug has become my go-to drinking
> vessel while on the train. It's just the right size to allow me to control
> temperature better than my large Klean Kanteen "source" container. And
> it better supports actual open-air sipping, which somehow has more appeal
> than sippy-top containers when I'm seated stably on a train. And it dries
> well hanging from the SaddleSack.
>
> The Nitto saddlebag grip is of course a vital component of the system.
> (Need to find a silver acorn for this one.)
>
>
> 
>
> I'm glad I was able to score a tan SaddleSack. Among the colors RBW has
> offered over the years, it remains my favorite.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
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Re: [RBW] Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[Chris Chen]

Babyshoe Pass!

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Andy Williams 
wrote:

> Good to know that there will be a couple of fellow travelers on the
> route.  I'm well aware of the potential for carnage and cluster*!$$#@@# at
> the beginning of the route, as well as the examples of bad behavior and
> poor manners all the way to Portland.
>
> When I ride STP, I wonder why I do it.   When I don't, I miss it.   Go
> figure.
>
> Andy
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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[Chris Chen]

It definitely looks like the B&M mount made mated with the cygolite mount!

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Doug Williams  wrote:

> To take a shot at answering my own question...is it an Edelux Light Mount
> like on the Riv site? If so, then my next question...is that a Cygolite
> mount on it? That's what I want to do; mount a Cygolite on my Mark's rack
> like that. What did you have to do to make that work?
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:30:39 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>> What is the light holder attached to your front rack and where did you
>> get it?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>>>
>>> Changed the cockpit over to Albatrosses this past week.  I'm enjoying
>>> the more upright position and the location of the bar-end shifters.  An
>>> added benefit is the shifters are now higher than the top tube, so no more
>>> banging of the bar-ends on the it.  The Linus is a new addition for my wife.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:18 AM UTC-7, David Person wrote:

 I've had a pair of Nitto B115 drop bars hang around (literally) for a
 couple of years begging to be put to use.  I was inspired by an old Kohler
 faucet commercial (the one where a couple wants a house designed around a
 faucet).  So I've designed a bike build around these bars.  Had back
 surgery at the end of December and recently was released to do PT, so it
 was time to put this bike together.  I have to give a shout out to Pondero,
 Stonehog and a few others who's blogs kept me sane and inspired during the
 first few months after surgery, when I seriously doubted I'd ever ride
 again.  I rode six miles yesterday, which is the most so far, but to far to
 go to get back to the riding shape I was in a couple years ago.

 Additional photos can be found in my Flickr album:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/98035479@N08/sets/72157653847408849/with/18432114739/

 Going to experiment with some Nitto Albatross bars too.  Got to keep a
 promise I made to Keven at Rivendell when I ordered the frame.

 David
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Re: [RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Chris Chen]

Hummerpillar?

HAHAHA sorry I couldn't resist

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> That's not what I was thinking.  A fat bike doesn't need to be more heavy
> duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.and I do not recall any BLUG or
> Knothole teasers hinting at a fatbike.
>
> Think harder.needs (really needs) to be more heavy duty than any
> Rivendell ever made, and has been hinted at from time to time.
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:16:02 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Right? The only thing preventing Rivendell from doing a fatbike is
>> someone got there quicker ;)
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:58:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it hard to imagine?   Think harder.  A theoretical Riv model that
>>> would need to be more heavy duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.  One that
>>> has been mentioned in passing from time to time in the BLUG, in a "maybe
>>> we'll do that someday" kind of way.  I don't think it's hard at all to
>>> imagine.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

 It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than
 the Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the
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Re: [RBW] Not all that glitters is gold...

[Chris Chen]

That's a toast I'll make forever!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mike Williams 
wrote:

> Ha!Manny you are the best my friend!   What was my quote?  ' the
> trails will always be there'??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Manuel Acosta 
> wrote:
>
> And so the beautiful summer of San Francisco is upon us...
> Meaning foggy, cold and wet. PERect time to go on an overnight in the
> headlands.
>
> Good buddies Tony and Bridgette make their way up from the Peninsula to do
> a quick easy overnight with thoughts of epic shred session afterwords. With
> pedicab rival Aaron joining in for the adventure.
>
> Burritos are a go. Gear is dialed. Everyone is fresh.
>
> We roll through the quite streets of Fisherman's Wharf  to be greeted by
> Karl the Fog as we cross the bridge into our adventures.
>
> First single track down... disaster strikes.
> Tony with the strength of his umm legs. Bends his saddle rails and
> pops his saddle bolt off. Luckily he finds it in the dark and takes the
> time to screw the bolt on.
>
> He hops back on and the bolt's last threads give and the tiny but ever
> important bolt pings into oblivion darkness never to be found again.
> Stuck now we sit around in the dark trying to figure out ways of making
> this work. Good thing Tony brought some extra paracord.
>
> A couple of knots later and the saddle is ridable. Kinda. With minor
> adjusting every 2 miles. We crawl our way to camp.
> Just to find it drenched. With the fog make it rain feel like rain light
> conditions.
>
> With Aaron in his tent, Tony and Bridgette wrapped in a burrito tarp.
> There was talks about a knife fight for Aaron's tent that never come into
> fruition.
>
> We wake up wet but take the our time. Sleeping in until the sun came out.
>
> And for one rare morning in San Francisco it actually did.  We sat and
> chilled waiting for our stuff to dry.
>
> We figured with Tony's saddle and with Bridgette nursing a previous back
> injury we would cancel the day long shred fest for another time. Aaron goes
> on ahead while we cruise and take our time come back home.
>
> It was the great quotes of Mike Williams that really changed my
> perspective on how adventures SHOULD go. And I'm never too sad about
> missing any opportunity to go riding hard.
> While having epic adventures is great. Just spending some time with good
> friends and being able to leave with some stories to tell are just as good.
>
> Always remember good friends, "The trails will always be there. For next
> time."
>
>
> Pictures proved that for this overnight Karl the Fog wins:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskfBSejJ
>
>
> Manny " Thanks Obi-One-Mike for showing me the Way" Acosta
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Re: [RBW] Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[Chris Chen]

Twice is good enough for me. I hate to be a hater but I saw so many crashes
and poor behavior on my last ride that I've kind of sworn off giant
organized rides. :(

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Andy Williams  wrote:

> Any other list members riding the STP next weekend?
>
> Pictures prove I've done this before:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/7583563786/
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Re: [RBW] I was turning left this morning

[Chris Chen]

This reminds me to get a mirror!

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> in a 20 mph zone - a guy crossed the double yellow line accelerating to
> twice the speed limit and turned right in front of me
> glad my mirror was working
> I scratched the front of my helmet without using my index finger
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto big front rack ~ on a 700c Homer Hilsen?

[Chris Chen]

Solid beast. Probably absorbed some energy during a crash too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14973096168/

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Chris Chen (on this list) has:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9400323176/in/album-72157634881121054/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10973611226/in/album-72157641962216243/
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 9:48:03 PM UTC-4, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Anyone properly mate a Nitto Big Front rack on a 700c Homer?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Community

[Chris Chen]

Hear hear!

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Hi friends, Just a note to again say how much this group means to me.  I
> think of the care and concern with which regard each other, the
> helpfulness, the kind tone, the generosity given online and off—it is
> really something special.  Parts broken or lost?  Someone might send you
> one.  Bike stolen?  Alerts go out.  Recovering from surgery?  Empathy,
> advice, and well wishes offered.  Flumoxed by a technical problem?  Many
> solutions expounded upon (some even might work!)  Need advice about a
> route?  Someone's ridden it.  Recovered your stolen bike? Cheers erupt. A
> member of our own passes?  Hearts break.  Someone forgets and snarks a tiny
> bit?  We all forgive and admit it's just the dregs of winter.  Wondering if
> anyone's posted in the past hour?  One of the Patricks to the rescue! Buy a
> bag from a lister?  They might just give it to you as a kindness for a long
> forgotten post.
>
> Truly, this community is special and I treasure these relationships.
>
> with love, Riv Chica Warrior
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Chris Chen]

I've seen three break, but whether the fault lies with Nitto or the user is
up in the air.

I've broken an R-14 rack, but it was overloaded and I was running through
some really nasty stuff.

I've never seen a Mark's rack break. I've seen two of 32-F break where it
goes through the bridge of the work.

btw safety tethers are always a good idea on stuff that's moving :)

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> No offense, but I think the title of this thread is misleading - I've
> never heard of a Nitto rack failure.
>
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 7:34:44 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Just disregard the "rating"  . . . . as noted  . . . . if anything it
>> can be more stable with the same strength with  5 mount points .
>>
>>
>> As expected, my rack has been perfect.  The bolts have are the non
>> loosening type, with nylon in them .  The stays can be cold set bent as
>> needed also.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe spot welding the tang for and aft of the bolts would work, once
>>> you got it centered where you need it on your bike.
>>>
>>> I was also recommended to use a strap by an RBW employee. That's not
>>> confidence building.
>>>
>>> What puzzles me is the M18 is rated at a 17lb load the Marks is only 4
>>> lbs. But they look like the same rack structurally, except the Marks has
>>> the tab in the front and an extra set of eyelets.
>>>
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[RBW] Joy of Wrenching

[Chris Chen]

Life has been crazy for a while, and I haven't had the chance to work on
the bikes in a few months. Just remembering to lube the chain requires
forethought. Tonight I finally started "fixing" my Hilsen with new brakes,
saddle, and cockpit. It felt so good.

Here's hoping you find time in your life for a little soul maintenance

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is it crazy to do a century with Boscos?

[Chris Chen]

200k in albastaches, no problems; Done two ~60mi days in the Boscos, no
problem, The upright posture really helps keep pressure off the arms. Now,
be careful where you place your brake levers to keep you from "flaring out
your wrists" too much.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 06/08/2015 05:17 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Breaking the filters off of Marlboros: I remember doing that!
>>
>> 3 packs a day -- wow! I asked the convenience store clerk the other day
>> how much a pack of M's cost nowadays, and he said $7.60 before sales tax.
>>
>>
> IIRC they were thirty cents a pack in the 'Nam in 1970.
>
> One of the motivational techniques I used to use was every day I dropped
> as much money as I would have spent on cigarettes that day into a coffee
> can.  When it amounted to something, I'd buy myself something nice - a
> camera lens, for example.  After all, I would have spent it anyway!  And if
> you do that today, just think how fast it would add up.
>
> I was on a ride a couple of years ago by myself, stopped at a MacDonalds
> to use the rest room and to eat my sandwich.  A guy comes out, lights up
> and we get into a conversation.  He sees I'm a cyclist and says he's sorry,
> hopes the cig doesn't offend me, etc., then says he's tried and he wishes
> he could quit.  So I ask him, would he quit if I gave him $5,000.  "Hell
> yes!"   So I told him about the coffee can, and how he could pay himself
> the money.  If he smoked 3 packs a day, at $7.60 a pack, in a year that
> would be $8,322.   Snakes alive!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH Brake Ideas

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I had Paul Racers on my 56 Hilsen with P50 fenders, but the reach of those
brakes is nowhere near that of the silver sidepull. However, since mine is
one of the earlier ones (SA serial number, Toyo build), and was spec'd for
Dia Compe 750s, I'm going to give those a shot with new pads.

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On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Try your fender install with Sheldon Nuts.  That gets you a couple extra
> mm by allowing you to run the L-brackets entirely out from under the crown
> and/or bridge
>
>
>
> Ideas?  Side pull brakes with a higher arch?   68 atlantis?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Post your favourite memories on your Riv

[Chris Chen]

That would be something like this:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/9443416529/

Or arriving at Orcas Island at Golden Hour

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9947181633/

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Addison Wilhite 
wrote:

> So many great memories on my AllRounder but this tour across Nevada on
> Highway 50 sticks out.  The photo of my speedometer at 50 mph is
> semi-famous amongst friends (I actually hit 55 on that descent with a fully
> loaded bike riding one handed to get the photo).  :)
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2009/06/bike-tour-of-nevada-june-2009.html
>
> In general the tours always seem to stick out.  This one from Portland to
> almost Reno (the Cascades tour)
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2010/07/portland-to-almost-reno-bike-tour.html
>
> Best,
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A.
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology
> 
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>
> Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian
> Advisory Committee
> 
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>  On 06/04/2015 11:48 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
>>
>>  Agreed – time to start planning a reprise, Steve!
>>
>>
>> Say the word, I'm in!
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Re: [RBW] Bag for Front Rack

[Chris Chen]

But seriously Ely makes gorgeous bags

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:20 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Thanks Tim. I just sent a PM as well. For the OP and others, I can always
> change dimensions of bags I offer as well as make custom bags. I'm
> learning, so trying to keep prices affordable.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:02 PM, DS  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anything like a rando bag out there that is smaller than most
>>> rando bags, but bigger than the small trunksack for a front rack?
>>>
>>
>> Listmember David Banzer makes some that look to be just a bit bigger than
>> the small Trunksack.  Boxy front bag.
>> , $65.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Threaded Headset Recommendation

[Chris Chen]

I love my IRD roller bearing headset with my Chicken, which has taken
ridiculous front loads for almost a year and has shown no signs of giving
up.

Now, I'm pretty sure I need to replace the paul brake pivots... :)

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:21 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Darin - don't get too discouraged with the IRD by the difficult
> installation I described.  Other posters have recorded no problems with
> their.  Could just be something stubborn about the head tube on my frame
> (although the Shimano 105 that was in there to begin with was removed with
> relative ease).  I'd say go for it.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 1:08:49 PM UTC-5, Darin G. wrote:
>>
>> I don't do any of the harsh riding you've described.  My best guess is
>> that they come out of adjustment quickly and once there is play in there
>> they quickly deteriorate.  I make an effort to check them frequently and
>> try to keep them adjusted but my preference is obviously for a headset that
>> stays properly adjusted.  Sounds like both the IRD Roller Blaster and the
>> CK are generally endorsed by this group, with the one negative review for a
>> difficult installation.  hmmm.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:15:08 PM UTC-6, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I've ridden bicycles all my life and have never replaced a headset
>>> and rarely service them.  My 2012 Hillborne has the original headset with
>>> 12,000+ miles and I haven't even checked it.  I had planned on servicing it
>>> this summer though. What do you think causes the rapid failure of yours?
>>> Do you do a lot of offoading and/or stream crossings without fenders?  Ride
>>> in a lot of rain without fenders?  I'm curious.  If this is the case, I'm
>>> also curious to know if the general consensus is that sealed cartridge
>>> bearings would alleviate headset deterioration for those riding in extreme
>>> conditions without fenders.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-7, Darin G. wrote:

 I've managed to notch the Shimano 105  headset on my Rom.  My shop says
 he can't find the cartridge bearings for this headset, so we switched the
 bottom cartridge to the top for now, but  I'm researching a new one. This
 is the second headset I've had that was worn out by the 3500 mile mark, the
 other being the original Tange on my Hillborne, and I'm searching for a
 replacement that will last.  I've considered the CK headsets in the past
 but they seem mighty expensive and while most reviews are positive there
 are some reviews suggesting they are not worth the money.  Also considering
 the IRD needle roller bearing headset on the Riv site.  Other ideas would
 be appreciated!.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "Last run" of Sams?

[Chris Chen]

In the words of fat tony, "that's a fine looking model. It would be a shame
if it where to be  discontinued"

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:55 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> Sleeping with the fish.
>
> Once a Riv goes away, it doesn't come back.
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Reid  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 4:00:04 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm, Here's a snippet from an RBW newsletter in 2007:
> >>
> >> "We have introduced a new model (A. Homer Hilsen) recently, and some
> >> others are coming up, so rather than overwhelm ourselves with too many
> >> models, we're putting the Rambouillet to sleep for a while. The alarm
> clock
> >> is set for "sometime in late '08, more'n likely." We do have a few 50cm
> and
> >> 52cm frames and complete bikes ($2350) still available. Sometimes
> they're
> >> listed in the "Web Specials" section but not always. Call to check
> >> inventory."
> >>
> >> The nap continues.  So, as is usual with Riv, if you think you might
> want
> >> it and they have it, buy it.  Or watch this list for resales down the
> road.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I kept dithering with the Rambs, never made a decision, and still
> kick
> > myself over that one. But I love that putting them "to sleep for a
> while."
> > Yeah, like permanently. So now it's "deja-vu all over again" with the
> Sam.
> > What am I gonna do??? I think I have trouble letting go of noticeable
> chunks
> > of money.  :-)
> >
> > Reid
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Re: [RBW] Re: Visting Portland

[Chris Chen]

Weather's great tho

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Manuel Acosta  wrote:

> Don't go. Portland is horrible. People there are horrible. Food Horrible.
> Bike shops/beer bars/vintage mtbing museums are horrible.
>
> Don't go. Horrible.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:14:47 AM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
>> My girlfriend and I are taking a road trip up to Portland in a couple
>> weeks and bringing our bikes. We plan on riding around fairly leisurely and
>> enjoying a great town. I've been before but never had the pleasure of
>> having my Riv (or any bike for that matter) with me.
>>
>> Any tips? Good routes, sights, beer stops? We will def stop by Rivelo and
>> Velo Cult.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Chris Chen]

Son, you got a licence to ride that Riv?

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Allan in Portland 
wrote:

> FWIW, yesterday I shuttled an Atlantis from Deschutes SP back to PDX. I
> don't recall his name, but it was owned and operated by a Canadian.
>
> Cheers,
> -Allan
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots
>> of gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was
>> rock solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never
>> felt under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the
>> first day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work.
>> No problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics
>> in the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an
>> Atlantis on the ride.
>>
>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>> they kept my water bottles usable.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Curious: saddle bags versus panniers?

[Chris Chen]

I've never had that problem with the nitto large rear rack and the big
saddlesack, with a toplight brake; But I can see how a bag could obscure a
rack mounted light.

cc

Fendertown, OR

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Tom M  wrote:

> I've used the Arkel Randonneur rack (
> http://www.arkel-od.com/en/arkel-randonneur-rack.html) with their
> Tailrider Trunk Bag, both of which work as advertised. Not sure how much
> weight you'd want to put in it, but I've used it to carry work clothes,
> less shoes, during some commutes. As someone else posted, I want my rear
> lights to be visible, which tends, on my fenderless bikes, to rule out
> saddle bags.
> --Tom
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Segwaying from this thread: has anyone used a seatpost clamp-on rack? My
>> '03 Curt grocery carrier is spending a month at Chauncey's nursing home,
>> and I am left with the Fargo (Pica and a clamp on rack rated for 10 kg) and
>> Reg or Beryl or Campari musettes (by Velo Retro, highly recommended).
>>
>> I've not yet used the clamp on rack; suppose I should just try it. I
>> hacked vertical extensions to keep panniers out of the spokes -- but again,
>> haven't yet tried it.
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Re: [RBW] loaded handling question

[Chris Chen]

I found that with the homer + mark's rack + basket load, if I didn't add a
second set of struts to the rack, I'd get these harmonic movements that got
really nerve wracking on decents, etc. Sort of solved it by either

1) irish strapping rack to the handlebars
2) replacing with big front rack

On my low trail chicken, with heavy loads I also get oscillating movement,
but we're talking tens of pounds here, like two cases of beer territory; I
often clamp the top tube with my legs and I it calms it down--in this case
I can definitely see the flexing of the tubes as this happens.

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On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:01 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> Thanks Doug! Last weekend would have been a good time to talk about
> this, but too busy scraping off the mud! :-)
> I only had the one pannier this time, so figure that could be a
> contributing factor. Although last time I had two, with same effect.
> Hands-free isn't the absolute goal, but riding with a light touch
> would be nice! I get death-shimmy at even real low speeds if I let go
> of the bars, and a minor one if I use one hand light. Gotta' be a
> better way!
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:32 PM, dougP  wrote:
> > David:
> >
> > As you can see, there is no single answer to the shimmy problem.
> > Personally, I think where the load is, both front / rear and high / low)
> and
> > how each of us rides are major factors.  A good example is Joe Bartoe's
> > experience with shimmy on his Hilsen with a light front load, whereas my
> > Atlantis will shimmy with a lightly loaded rear saddlebag but moving that
> > bag to the front solves the problem.  Atlantis & Homer are different
> bikes,
> > and Joe & I are different sizes and likely riding styles.
> >
> > As to solving the puzzle, I found a gentle hill that allowed the bike
> roll
> > up to about 20 mph w/o pedaling (pedaling seems to dampen things for
> me).  I
> > took 4 panniers loaded with books to simulate the weight of my gear, and
> > tried all front, all rear, some front, some rear, etc., until I found a
> > combination that was rock solid.  What works for me is 60% of the weight
> in
> > front & 40% rear.  For an S240 or a loding tour, I only need 2 bags so
> they
> > both go on the front.  In the photo, I don't recall what was in the
> saddle
> > bag but it was probably a last minute add for overflow, and the sleeping
> pad
> > hanging off the back can't weight much.
> >
> > To avoid buying new stuff for only a few trips per year, take what you've
> > got & find a similar hill and experiment.  I think the no-hands is
> asking a
> > lot but I grant you should be able to ride the bike light handed & not
> in a
> > death grep.  Seriously try putting some heavy stuff in the basket BUT
> make
> > sure it can't shift or bounce around.  I had some dive weights in my
> Acorn
> > bag on time (they would let us drive tent stakes) and got shimmy for
> shimmy
> > (probably had 12 lbs of lead).
> >
> > Location is another variable.  Weight up high (basket, rando bag, etc.)
> > seems to be shimmy enabling.  If you can't come up with a non-shimmy
> > combination with your existing rackage, you may have to look at low
> riders.
> > IMHO getting the weight centered around the front axle seems to improve
> life
> > greatly.  I've used my big Ortleibs on my Tubus Duo front rack and it's
> rock
> > solid.
> >
> > Another consideration that's been mentioned is the roller bearing headset
> > that Riv sells.  I've got one on my Atlantis and have not had any shimmy
> > since installing.  But then before that I'd worked around the shimmy with
> > loading so it can't be credited entirely.  But it's still worth a
> thought.
> >
> > Lastly, and probably heresay here, but I've had situations where I know
> the
> > Nitto Big Back rack was contributing to handling difficulties, albeit
> likely
> > overloaded by their standards.  As beautiful as they are, they lack
> lateral
> > triangulation and can develop resonance.  Tubus and other rack makers
> design
> > with a triangle, viewed from the rear, that greatly stiffens the
> structure.
> > The Nitto R-26 (?) that I had for while is essentially a pyramid, is made
> > out of 10 mm tubing, and is as stiff as they come.  Unfortunately the
> > platform was a little small for my needs.
> >
> > On our next S24O, I'll throw all my junk on the back to see how things
> work
> > with Tubus rack since I got the needle bearing headset.  The downside to
> > front low riders is limited clearance.
> >
> > dougP
> >
> > On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 9:27:05 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It took me a sec to find a photo, but it handled just as terribly when
> >> it was straight rear-loaded with nothing on front. You can see it on
> >> the right in this photo, with both panniers in place and packed full:
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15187812094
> >> So basically two panniers full + tent in back = bad
> >> One pannier + tent in back with light load on front = bad
> >> Is the

Re: [RBW] Re: Hammock suggestions for S24O type outings.

[Chris Chen]

I took the Hennessy on a 10 day tour and I had a fantastic time. The
asymmetrical design allows you to lay nearly flat. Super comfy. Camped down
to freezing with an older thermarest pad.

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Manuel Acosta <
manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hammock is the way to go.
>
> Twine/paracord hammock if you want to live dangerously.
> https://flic.kr/p/afaezt
>
> I had a eno that ripped on me.
>
>
> I like Roo from Kammock. Really well made hammock and well thought out.
>
> A huge double nest hammock with gear loops along the edge so that you can
> jury-rig it as a ghetto shelter. The carabiner set-up is spot on and easy.
> Kammocks Trap also doubles a water retention and has tent poles in it.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 6:15:11 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
>> I'm going nuts waiting for Colorado to dry out, and it's still raining.
>> Daydreaming of long hot dusty rides for some overnight camping has been
>> relief.
>>
>> My old Kelty Zen 2 person tent has been fine, although it's klunky,
>> showing it's age, and I know replacing it is on the horizon. Until last
>> year, I assumed it would be with an updated tent, but I am very intrigued
>> now with the idea of a hammock. Specifically some of the claims regarding
>> comfort. I'm not a particularly good sleeper anyway, so camping is
>> generally a night of tossing and turning in my bag. I'm curious if this is
>> familiar to anyone here? If so, has a hammock made any difference?
>>
>> My current set up is either a thermarest inflatable or Z foam pad, with a
>> down mummy style bag. Would my pads still work in a hammock for insulation,
>> or do you have to use some sort of hanging insulator?
>>
>> So far the ENO seems to be a front runner just on popularity. But then
>> theres tarps, netting, straps, etc that appear to get added on often too.
>> Aside from some random netted hammocks, I have little experience with them,
>> and certainly no overnight use. I've considered trying to find one used and
>> try it bare bones just to see if I could even nap in it. Or maybe take it
>> along while camping with my wife and daughter?
>>
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Re: [RBW] sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Chris Chen]

Soft sided cooler is a good plan; I carried one of those "insulated" bags
on a tour and it was fantastic for picking up "perishables" along the way
like pork chops, cheese, eggs, and butter to the campsite for dinner.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:55 AM, drew  wrote:

> so ill be riding from SF-LA in a couple of weeks. this will be my first
> tour lasting more than a few days, so i wanted to put my plans out there
> and see if there is anything i should reconsider or any glaring holes im
> missing, or anything i still need to buy, while there is time.  i've
> blocked out 8 days. gonna try to camp only. im mostly following "bicycling
> the pacific coast", but if there are preferable route options, i'd be
> interested in those too. i know people do this without any preparation, but
> i have some time, and i like thinking about it.
>
> taking my hunqapillar with a carradice camper, acorn tool roll, jandd mini
> mountain panniers on the front, and a basket that i'm trying to leave open
> for food and incedentals along the way, maybe with a soft sided cooler.
>
> *rear rack/camper bag*
>
> tent
>
> sleeping bag/pad
>
> alcohol stove (considering bringing my biolite stove for the charging
> capability, but it's pretty heavy)
>
> bowl/utensils/matches/cooking stuff
>
> lock
>
> towel
>
> camera
>
> *tools/maintenance *
>
> 2 tubes, levers and patch kit
>
> multi tool
>
> crescent wrench
>
> pump
>
>
> *front panniers *
>
> 5 t-shirts
>
> overshirt
>
> 2 musa or musa-like pants
>
> 2 shorts
>
> underwear/socks
>
> rain jacket
>
> packable down jacket
>
> sandals
>
> toiletries
>
> chargers/ipod nano
>
>
>  i put this list together, and it is basically the same as my s24o list,
> but with more clothes. im especially interested in what things beside
> clothes, i should be adding for a longer trip. also interested in what
> people do for security while going through cities with a lot of stuff
> strapped to their bikes.
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Re: [RBW] At last! My new Homer!

[Chris Chen]

Fantastic! Wonderful venue for a shot too :)

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Doug Williams 
wrote:

> At last! My new A. Homer Hilsen! Here is the obligatory picture in front
> of Riv HQ. I just threw on my bag and a water bottle and off I went!
> Amazing bike, I absolutely love it! Thanks to all the many people at Riv
> who helped me in this process!
>
> The wheels that Rich made are just perfect. I'm so glad I got the Paul
> brakes, they stop as well as my disc brakes.
>
> The bike is MUCH faster than my old bike...to much so to be real. So I
> know some of this is just "new bike placebo effect". But who cares? I'm
> loving it!
>
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Osaka Roadie clip bell loud enough?

[Chris Chen]

Double dinger has such a wonderful sound. Crane lever hammer bell plus
springy, mounted next to each other on the stem, thumb and forefinger

twng

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> If you're a musical person, you may be less than happy with an
> incredibell.  I still prefer a good old Crane Karen (Bell 26) because the
> spring will make a flam on the bell and the bell rings like, well, a bell.
>
>
> On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 1:23:25 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> You need not spend $40 for the spurcycle bell ,  some of the small
>> incredibells are just as loud  .
>> http://www.mirrycle.com/incredibell_bells.php
>>
>> I prefer the brass duet version myself as it uses a small lever instead
>> of a single note striker , producing the dual note. They have lots of
>> variances, just make sure you select a brass one for the best note !
>> http://www.mirrycle.com/brass_duet.php
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for wheel security?

[Chris Chen]

Pitlocks. I have two sets keyed the same and I'll have a third soon. Order
direct from Germany and sometimes they'll throw in a treat :)

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:50 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>
> I use Pitlocks on my wheels and seat bolt. I love them. Many times I just
> lock my front wheel to a rack. No scratching the paint, easier etc.
>
> Clay (Bend)
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Re: [RBW] Homer Lives Again

[Chris Chen]

Bob K at Bantam did the repair, the paint was done in Eugene but I don't
know who...

http://www.bantambicycles.com/bloggy-business/

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

>  Oh, my – I LOVE that color.  Nice work.
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Chen
> *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 3:32 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [RBW] Homer Lives Again
>
>
>
> Out of commission since September, back from the painter's...
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/17244307808/
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Saddlebag Support Suggestions.

[Chris Chen]

I run the large on a big campee rear rack because I broke an R-14 by
overloading it. Yeah it's my fault, but sometimes you want to put 40 pounds
in a large saddlesack and this lets you do that.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:06 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Should read - I've had a medium Saddlesack before with NO support...
>
>
> On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:05:19 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> I'd like the potential bag (not made yet, once I figure out a support
>> then I'll make one as needed) to be pushed back to avoid rubbing backs of
>> legs and more importantly, to limit sway and support the bag's weight. I've
>> had a medium Saddlesack before with a support and pushed its limits with
>> farmers market runs. Based on that, I'd like something that I can firmly
>> attach the bottom/back of the bag to.
>> I'm a front loader as my first choice, so whatever is behind/under me
>> (and out of my sight while riding) I'd like to be as secure as possible.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 4:42:08 PM UTC-5, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:45 PM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>>
 I'd be pushing the recommended max weight of a Bagman - anyone have
 experience with heavier loads on a Bagman support?
 That would be the easiest.
 Should add that I'd like to be able to easily get the support on/off,
 so p-clamps are out. Frame has typical braze-ons for a rear rack, but no
 extras to accommodate the Marks Rack.

>>>
>>> I recently picked up a Bagman with quick-release feature for my
>>> Carradice Camper LF, and have also been a bit concerned with pushing the
>>> max weight capacity (10kg). I've considered trying to add struts similar to
>>> those that were included with the Bagman 2, which I believe is
>>> discontinued, but still pictured/available in the smaller Sport size here:
>>>
>>> https://www.benscycle.com/p-17-carradice-bagman-2-qr-support-sport.aspx
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if that model was never made in the "Expedition" size for
>>> the larger bags, but I can't find anything on it. I was thinking of seeing
>>> if I could re-purpose some other rack struts or fabricate my own to provide
>>> similar additional support. It looks like that Bagman 2, with the extra
>>> struts, had the same max weight capacity of 10kg, so I'd have to test any
>>> such solution to see how stable it feels.
>>>
>>> I suppose the question is what exactly are you trying to accomplish in
>>> supporting a large bag? Are you trying to offset the bag from your saddle,
>>> make it easier to attach/remove from your bike, or keep it from rubbing the
>>> rear tire/brakes/fender, or a combination of the three?
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> Silver Spring, MD
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Nitto Light Mount: Side question.

[Chris Chen]

Mine is on the right, partially because I was reading the old SON hubs need
to have their spades on the right side. My hubs are new enough such that
isn't an issue but oh well :)

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Edwin W  wrote:

> I love the light mount 
> featured on the front. Like most things Nitto, it seems pricey for what it
> is, but I'll bet it does what it does better than anything else. I always
> struggle with light mounts on front racks that don't have a good tab for it.
>
> Now my question is: for those in countries where you drive on the right,
> which side do you put your light on, if you have to sacrifice a little tire
> blockage on the other side?
> Left so that those coming at you and turning left will see you better?
> Right so that those turning on to your road from the right will see you?
>
> Does it really matter?
>
> I've got one bike with a centered light and one on the left, but then I
> saw a picture of Jan's bike with a light on the right and I know there is
> nothing on his bike that is not well thought out, unlike mine, where things
> get thrown places all the time without a real consideration for why or how.
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIP Jobst Brandt

[Chris Chen]

Some of us remember rec.bicycles from the USENET days...

Jobst and Sheldon were always big parts of those discussions. I loved them
all.

cc

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:41 AM, BSWP  wrote:

> Retrogrouch Trinity: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost...
>
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> On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 8:34:09 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs and Disc Brakes

[Chris Chen]

Leather soled shoes make decent emergency brakes, don't ask me how I know

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Is it possible to repair disk setups on the roadside?
>
> I wouldn't want to be stranded with a blown tube, or loss of fluid, or
> something else wrong that isn't fixable roadside.
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[RBW] Homer Lives Again

[Chris Chen]

Out of commission since September, back from the painter's...

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Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?

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The MKS touring is a gorgeous pedal but it's very narrow. I've got grip
kings and VP-001 or Vice pedals and they're great. I rode one summer with
birkenstocks and MKS touring pedals and while it was fun it was hell on my
feet :)

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Evan E.  wrote:

> Just to pile on and to address Lungimsam's original question:
>
> - If the pedal is a long and broad platform (such as Thin Gripster or RMX
> Sneaker Pedal), then the shoe and its sole rigidity matters very little.
>
> - If the pedal has narrow/limited points of contact (such as the MKS
> Touring Pedal), then the shoe matters more and, for me at least, a stiffer
> sole helps my feet stay comfortable, even on rides of 40+ miles.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Speedblend tires! Wanna try them?

[Chris Chen]

So awesome. I have a pair of 35x700 speedblends I'm dying to put on the 57
Hilsen when it comes back from the painter's...

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Evan, That's a great idea and I think those guidelines oughta be
> you'll need to submit a photo of you/bike/the tires somewhere. And
> then ceremonially hand-off to the next brother (or sister). Kind of
> like an [RBW] traveling gnome thing.
>
> Hell, I'd be more than happy to kick it off and pass em along to the
> next party; I am conveniently enough located, of course! ;-)
>
> =- Joe Bunik
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> > P.S. The tires have at least 98.7% of tread remaining.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

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They make 50mm longboards now right?

I have P50 chromaplastics on my A Saluki Hilsen, they have relatively
generous clearance around the babyshoe pass tires.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Yes, 50mm fenders are preferable to the 45mm Longboards.
> Hetres and Loups fit nicely under my Honjo H-50 fenders.
> The Longboards are just barely wide enough.
>
> Fender clearance depends on the frame/fork construction and their
> fenderable limits. Narrower (and thus shorter) tires will help with
> clearance, too.
>
> Why not leave the fenders on all year to protect you and the bike from the
> grunge in the occasional puddle and dirt?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

[Chris Chen]

Hell you should take those fenders off; California needs all the help it
can get!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:13 PM, David Stein  wrote:

> I just took the fenders off, sadly...I live in California and I doubt
> we're going to see much, if any, rain until November. So without fenders
> the consensus seems to be go as wide as you can.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> I use Hetres at 50psi on my 52 Blue Sam with P45 fenders, raised as far
>> from the tire as the frame allows with mounting from the fender tab on the
>> front fender, and mounting the fender directly to the eyelet under the seat
>> stay bridge with a bolt.
>>
>> I am hoping to put Loups on for my next set, as they will allow more
>> clearance under fenders. It is pretty tight. Most would probably think it
>> is ok, and it has been great, but I like lots of clearance.
>>
>> I also have a Bleriot that I have used Hetres as well as Loups on. The
>> Loups feel plenty cushy at 45psi. Allows much more clearance under the
>> fenders than the Hetres did. I think the Hetres get me 1cm all around, the
>> Loups get me a lot more.
>>
>> *So, I think both tires have a comparable ride quality at these
>> pressures, but just decide if you like more clearance under fenders or not.
>> Disclaimer: I weigh about 175lbs. I don't know how they will feel in
>> another weight class and at different pressures.*
>>
>> The Cypress will allow massive overkill fender clearance. I had them on
>> my Sam for a short time, and they were nice at 50 or 55 psi, if I remember
>> right. But you won't get as good ability to road through cracked roads with
>> tires that narrow, from my experience
>>
>> But again, all these tires are great. I like them at low pressures.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Ricendell riders use for cycling shoes (not clipless).

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Chukkas! https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15696228751/

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I posted a similar request regarding shoes with thin gripsters and got
> lots of great advice (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/surlyprof$20shoes/rbw-owners-bunch/aVHSUQf7RRM/udfBHiIE_g8J).
> I have slightly wider feet so some of the recommendations wouldn't work.
> Ended up buying Scarpa Mystic Lites (http://www.scarpa.com/mystic-lite).
> They have a little more of a hiking sole than I would like but the soles
> are stiffer than the sneakers I was using.  Next time I may try their
> approach shoe such as their "Vitamin" or "Crux".  Seek out sales.  I found
> the Mystic Lites for $59.  Christopher Chen recommended Red Wing Chukkas.
> I actually stumbled across a pair of irregulars in black (postman shoes)
> for 40 bucks so I bought them.  Probably too dorky to wear with shorts
> (unless you are in uniform) but I have to admit, when I commuted to work in
> them, they were pretty awesome.  I may have to eat the full price of the
> tan or brown ones in the future.  Their website is offering a $20 off
> coupon if that helps.
>
> John
>
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 5:39:17 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
>> What do you all use?
>> Looking for something so I don't feel my rat raps through the soles.
>> Been using sneakers but feet getting a little sore on longer rides.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne + Rock N' Roads + (woody) Fenders

[Chris Chen]

Looks awesome!

I'm always afraid of interrupted fenders because I want to keep junk out of
the headset, but man, that's really pretty!

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:34 AM, James Warren 
wrote:

>
> I have an orange frame in 60 cm with single TT. It fits Big Ben 700x50.
> Any interest? $750 plus shipping. No dents and no major scratches. A few
> pump scratch marks under the seat lug.
>
> -Jim W.
>
> p.s. I won't be able to reply until Wednesday if you're interested.
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Dan wrote:
>
> Every time I see a photo of a Sam with RnR's I regret selling mine
> prematurely. Anybody got a 60cm green Sam they're not riding that they
> would sell?
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-5, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> Despite the fact that my Hillborne with Noodles and Barlow Pass tires is
>> the best bike ever, I've had a hankering to get the set of rock n' roads on
>> there for a ramble or three through the local off-roady trails. Being a
>> member of team fenders made this more of an engineering effort than it had
>> to be if I could have just allowed myself to yank the existing longboard
>> fenders off.
>>
>> I knew for sure I'd need to split the front fender into a front and rear
>> segment, as there would not be room for the fender to pass under the fork
>> crown. Having had Cody at woodysfenders.com make me a customer rear
>> chopped fender for my recent XOXO build, I thought it would be a good idea
>> to have him make and chop a front fender for me. I thought I might get away
>> without having to have a split rear fender, but I ordered some extra
>> hardware from Cody in case I had to split the fender myself.
>>
>> I spent a bit of time this morning getting everything sorted, which
>> included having to cut the rear fender into two segments. I'm happy to now
>> have a befendered rock n' roaded Hillborne. There's a fair amount of
>> clearance, though I don't think I'll be doing any mud-bogging with any
>> success, but I don't suppose that's my style anyhow. Ride report is pending
>> some adventurous extracurricular commuting this week - for now, indoor pics:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jeff
>> Silver Spring, MD
>>
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Re: [RBW] Birthday Bike overnight.

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Happy birthday!
On Apr 27, 2015 12:50 PM, "hsmitham"  wrote:

> Just some pictures of a good time on a bike with a good friend.
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 57cm AHH frameset

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You know the Waterfords only have two bottle mounts, right? My 57 Waterford
Hilsen had two. I've never seen a Waterford Hilsen with three. The 56 and
58 Toyo Hilsens I've seen had three. You should get it, because I already
have a 57 or else I'd get it and become Quad Hilsen Chen

* Actually I sold the 58 already so I'm only A Double Hilsen

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Re: [RBW] Edelux II senso function reviews needed please

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3. Leave it on all the time.

Honestly the original edelux senso seems to work just fine. But I'm a big
fan of having the lights on all the time. I came to this conclusion when I
was on a camping trip with another rider and his dyno lights were always
lit; I could see his taillight in the distance and that kind of visibility
nailed it for me.

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> What's your experience with it?
>
> This is for the current production *upright* version:
>
> 1. Does the senso function work appropriately, or is it unpredictable and
> unreliable?
>
> 2. Works good on a front rack mounted to a braze on that's on the side of
> the rack? Or does the bag shadow over it confuse it? I would be mounting it
> on the non-drive side of the front rack.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Since it looks like the upside down version is still a ways off, and
> neither of the two upside down versions will have senso in them, I figured
> that if the senso is reliable on the upright version, I might just get it
> instead of waiting all summer to see if the upside down one finally becomes
> available. I figure I might like senso better than having to have to hop
> off the bike to turn the light on and off. I don't use threadless headsets
> so no option for a stem switch.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Double Feedback -- Triple vs Double

[Chris Chen]

"flat-land-with-panic-hills"... I like it!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I switched the conventional 46/36/24 X2D setup for a 38/24 and I have most
> of the range and easier shifting. I've set it up for largely flat but sandy
> terrain, where with pavement a range from mid 80s to 40" is ample; the 24
> takes me down to 25" for the very occasional steep hills like those I rode
> today, up the side of our West Mesa, with a nasty westerly in my face.
>
> 38/24 X 13-14-15-16-17-18-20-23-27; the triple was something like 46/36/24
> X 16-17-18-19-20-22-24-27-30, with the crank set up so that the 46 was the
> cruising ring.
>
> Neither of these are good (as I know from experience) on steep
> singletrack, where you want those intermediate gears from 60 down to 30 or
> so, but for my flat-land-with-panic-hills, the double is great.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:44 AM, drew beckmeyer 
> wrote:
>
>> i've been starting to wonder this same thing. i have the triple xd2 and
>> find myself almost never using the big ring on the hunqapillar. i kind of
>> figure that the weight differential is pretty minimal and that there is no
>> real compelling reason to switch (other than the ongoing desire to keep
>> tinkering). is that an accurate assessment?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee Outside

[Chris Chen]

In any case, even the crappiest cup of coffee tastes great when you're
outside in the morning.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:37 AM, shawn m.  wrote:

> I also really like the inverted method in terms of the quality. It makes a
> GREAT half-cup of coffee. That's my only beef about the method, really. It
> treads a fine line between too fussy and just fussy enough, which is
> important first thing in the morning. Typically, I just double it: two
> scoops, twice as much much hot water, dilute the product somewhere in the
> 2:1 ballpark (slightly less, depending). In my protracted career of coffee
> snobbery my experience has been that quality coffee overcomes uneven
> methods; it's easy to make good coffee with good beans. One of the best
> cups of coffee in my life was cowboy coffee of Tanzania Peaberry near the
> headwaters of the Salmon River in the Sawtooth range of central Idaho
> before riding the Fisher Creek trail. Possibly the best day ever...
>
> If method is your madness, though... I submit the following coffee nerdery
> for your consideration:
>
> http://worldaeropresschampionship.com/recipes/
>
> Shawn
> "I'll have another cup of coffee!" - Groucho Marx, Duck Soup
>
> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 8:41:28 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> I"m gearing up to do this activity on the weekends. I'm wondering what
>> people use for coffee outside, and a list of items one shouldn't leave home
>> without. Add your photos as well. Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Coffee Outside

[Chris Chen]

Yeah, I'd say that's about right.

On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 12:35:23 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> the only wrong way to do coffee outside is not to do it :-)
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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 9 topics

[Chris Chen]

You mean Westport to Ocean Shores. That's true. I came back along Gray's
Harbor then onto Quinault (going North).

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Robert Kirkpatrick 
wrote:

> The ferry from Tokeland to Wesport hasn't run in years, so he couldn't
> really get further down the coast from there. That being said 109 from
> Hoquim to Tokeland is not at all what I'd call "much nicer" than the 105.
> The 109 is quite hilly, has no shoulder and just as much if not more
> traffic.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:54 PM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
>  Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/3f7ff2f55d5d44c0?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email>
>
>
>   Chris Chen : Feb 27 10:22AM -0800
>
> From Raymond to Aberdeen I took the route out to Tokeland and along the
> coast, back along Gray's Harbor. Far nicer!
>
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>   Back to top <#14bcd4f59fa0d6aa_digest_top>
>   Grant sets them straight with letter to editor
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/17ede941c5dc748c?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email>
>   hangtownmatt : Feb 27 09:58AM -0800
>
> If it isn't the frame than I suppose it must be the Sugino crank.
> Something's flexing.
>
> Matt
>
> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 4:46:38 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>   Mark Reimer : Feb 27 11:59AM -0600
>
> What kind of crank is it? Some cranks with small BCD and large, stamped
> rings can flex a lot.
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>   Back to top <#14bcd4f59fa0d6aa_digest_top>
>   Solvent tank for drivetrain cleaning
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/a7a9d0c9a8f2f9f2?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email>
>   hsmitham : Feb 27 09:37AM -0800
>
> Jim,
>
> I just use a plastic wash tub and simple green, works like a charm and
> stores away easy.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:35:22 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>   Back to top <#14bcd4f59fa0d6aa_digest_top>
>   If you want to monitor progress on my DIY springless rear derailer
> project, a flickr album
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/94898b780dd06f4a?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email>
>   princeofsherwood : Feb 27 04:47AM
> -0800
>
> On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 10:00:27 PM UTC+1, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> > What Jan did was fix up a Nivex. By design the Nivex has constant chain
> > tension.
>
> > Hello,
> great subject on tinkering.
> I am curious to understand how the nivex achieves to maintain constant
> chain tension.
>
> I have ridden on bike equipped with the cyclo and the smooth action of the
> lever is impressive since there is no spring on your way!
>
> I have a NOS suntour S1 that I purchased in order to try something new but
> have't had the time to start this project and winter is soon over;)
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Re: [RBW] Someone is going to get a big old deal.

[Chris Chen]

Too big for me. If it was my size I'd probably set fire to my credit card
before doing this to preserve my sanity. But a neat bike!

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> Just too much overlap with my Sam.
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-122.htm
>
> Whew, hard to not pull the trigger.
>
> Back to work, head down.
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Re: [RBW] Stuff hanging on that front brake bolt on Homer on the RBW intro page...

[Chris Chen]

But to say they "don't work" is a little rich, right? Sorry to get into
semantics. All is fair!

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> no thanks, I like mine the way it is.  to each his/her own though, if you
> prefer to cut yours it's all good with me.
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>
>> Jim: scissors :)
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Jim Bronson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sheldon nuts don't work on longboards anyway, if you attach them to the
>>> backside of the fork, you will end up occasionally dragging the flap on the
>>> ground.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:08 PM, lungimsam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like they have the front end set up like this:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Brake, then nut thingy,  2. the rack tab, then 3. the fender tab,
>>>> then 4. the washer/spacer knurled thingy, all up against the fork crown,
>>>> and then the brake bolt nut from the back.
>>>>
>>>> So no need for a Sheldon nut for the fender tab.
>>>> You can run the attachments safely all this way along the brake bolt. I
>>>> was wondering how much stuff is too much to be hanging off the front end of
>>>> the fork crown, but I guess this means its perfectly fine to do so.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?

[Chris Chen]

>From Raymond to Aberdeen I took the route out to Tokeland and along the
coast, back along Gray's Harbor. Far nicer!

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:28 PM, shawn m.  wrote:

> +1 on Robert's route. I would note, however, that the stretch of Highway
> 101 north of Raymond to the Highway 107 junction is (or was when I rode it
> in 2012) logging truck hell. I've also taken Highway 6 over the Coast Range
> between Raymond and Chehalis and wouldn't hesitate to go that way again,
> especially since taking the Amtrak to Centralia puts it in pretty easy
> reach from Seattle.
>
> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:16:40 PM UTC-8, SpiralCage wrote:
>>
>> Whoops, double checking that map, it looks like it got a bit messed up.
>> THIS is my preferred route from Seattle to the Coast:
>>
>> https://goo.gl/maps/YAhj0
>>
>> -RjK
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Robert Kirkpatrick 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I wouldn’t go that way in WA at all.  Here’s a link to a Google Map
>> with my preferred route:
>>
>> https://goo.gl/maps/zVT8U
>>
>> This has some great riding along Hood Canal, through the woods and small
>> little towns and is pretty much more direct. I’ve done that in two-three
>> days, staying in Shelton (slightly off the route) or camping at Potlatch
>> State park. I’d personally do it over three days staying at Potlatch, then
>> Lake Sylvia and finally Long Beach.
>>
>> Good luck, lots of great riding on your route.
>>
>> -Robert
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Shawn Granton 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mark, that route looks like it could be a good one. I have no experience
>> with the routing you chose from around Olympia to the coast, but I'm
>> guessing it will be lightly trafficked, maybe forest/gravel roads, maybe
>> not even passable in some spots (if you're relying on Google Maps in
>> "bicycle" mode to give you directions.) Robert Kirkpatrick/Rootless in
>> Place may have a little experience here. My only tip right now: rather than
>> ride south from Seattle through suburbia (which, if you stick to the
>> Interurban trail, will be flat), ferry from SW Seattle (Fauntleroy) over to
>> Vashon Island then ferry over to Tacoma. While not as flat, will be a lot
>> more scenic and different, and you'll get two ferry rides in!
>> -Shawn
>>
>> No one actually looks at email signatures anymore, but here goes nothing:
>> http://urbanadventureleague.wordpress.com/
>> http://societyofthreespeeds.wordpress.com/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/
>> http://bikesspottedpdx.tumblr.com/
>> Un-electronic mail goes here: P O Box 14185, Portland OR 97293-0185
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>>
>>> I've also been toying with the idea of flying to Seattle instead and
>>> riding to Portland over that time frame. I put together a quick route,
>>> 525km over four days and one evening. Seems a bit much, but I'm sure there
>>> are ways to trim that down. 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks so much! That is very helpful.

 I should have mentioned, I've been to Portland before. Just once. I was
 on a motorcycle tour and stopped at a friends house. I stayed for the day
 and he took me around. It's a lovely place, definitely need to visit for
 longer some time!

 Your route seems pretty good. Distances are varied and never too long.
 I don't mind riding the 101 - it is a beautiful road and I can deal with
 pavement when the ocean is right beside me :)

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Shawn Granton >>> > wrote:

 Hey Mark-
>
> Welcome to Oregon! But I noticed that your plans don't seem to give
> any time for, y'know, exploring Portland itself. I can tell you from
> experience that Portland is slightly different than Winnipeg. ;-)
>
> Anyways, I think that a North Coast Loop would be good option to get
> ocean and climbs. Though you'll have to use US 101 on the coast itself for
> a good part which would go against your wish for avoiding the busy. But 
> the
> scenery makes up for it! This would be a mostly paved route. There are
> gravel options over the Coast Range, but they can/will be steep and a GPS
> unit is needed as most of those roads are un/poorly marked timber company
> roads.
>
> It could look something like this:
>
>- Sat May 16: Get into PDX, take MAX light rail to Hillsboro, ride
>20ish miles to Stub Stewart State Park.
>- Sun May 17: Ride Banks/Vernonia Trail, OR 47 and OR 202 to
>Astoria (80 miles.) No camping in Astoria but hotels/motels, closest
>camping would be at Ft. Stevens, another 10 miles away.
>- Mon May 18: Ride 101 and some alternates to Nehalem Bay State
>Park (40 miles)
>- Tues May 19: Ride 101 and some alternates to Cape Lookout State
>park (40 miles)
>- Wed May 20: Back to Hillsboro MAX via Nestucca River Road (a
>smidge of

Re: [RBW] Stuff hanging on that front brake bolt on Homer on the RBW intro page...

[Chris Chen]

Jim: scissors :)

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Sheldon nuts don't work on longboards anyway, if you attach them to the
> backside of the fork, you will end up occasionally dragging the flap on the
> ground.
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:08 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> Looks like they have the front end set up like this:
>>
>> 1. Brake, then nut thingy,  2. the rack tab, then 3. the fender tab, then
>> 4. the washer/spacer knurled thingy, all up against the fork crown, and
>> then the brake bolt nut from the back.
>>
>> So no need for a Sheldon nut for the fender tab.
>> You can run the attachments safely all this way along the brake bolt. I
>> was wondering how much stuff is too much to be hanging off the front end of
>> the fork crown, but I guess this means its perfectly fine to do so.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

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The King is dead! Long live The King!

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Replacing King with King, the Colorado ratio didn't shift any. However,
> judging by the dirt, I've got a lot of Colorado on my Hunqapillar. Plus the
> heaviest part is Colorado native. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

[Chris Chen]

Yeah, they've always worked great for me! Congrats, and it's always nice to
have a little bit of Colorado on your bike :)

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> The new Iris cages arrived, are installed, and holy smokes! are they
> secure and yet easy to access. Snug, rattle free, and interestingly the
> steel on steel in and out feels good and isn't grating. I trusted all the
> input I've gotten from folks (including Riv, by web) that the Iris were
> more secure than the standard. But in person it is quite clear just how
> secure they are, and rather surprising. The design looks like it should be
> less secure to my untrained eye. I look forward to not losing my soon to
> arrive new KK bottles despite brought trails and roads, as well as having a
> "zero weight" water pot and a "zero weight" insulated mug. Grin.
>
> Thanks to all for your input! I am looking forward to even more multi-use
> items than I had before. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Stuff hanging on that front brake bolt on Homer on the RBW intro page...

[Chris Chen]

Just ride.

I have to say, you may not *need* a fender bolt, but it's nice not to futz
with the brakes every time you want to remove your fenders.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:08 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

> Looks like they have the front end set up like this:
>
> 1. Brake, then nut thingy,  2. the rack tab, then 3. the fender tab, then
> 4. the washer/spacer knurled thingy, all up against the fork crown, and
> then the brake bolt nut from the back.
>
> So no need for a Sheldon nut for the fender tab.
> You can run the attachments safely all this way along the brake bolt. I
> was wondering how much stuff is too much to be hanging off the front end of
> the fork crown, but I guess this means its perfectly fine to do so.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "7 the new 11"

[Chris Chen]

Sure, no arguments there, but something to remember are the availability of
parts; From my understanding, Jan changes his chains at a rigorous interval
to keep from wearing down rings and sprockets. It's getting harder to find
"nice" 7 speed stuff, not impossible, but just something to think about.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Matthew J  wrote:

> In the article about his new Herse Rando bike, Jan Heine explained his
> decision to go with a 5 cog freewheel is based on the fact after years of
> riding he used those five gears most of the time.  I suspect that many of
> us never make use of all 11, 9, or even 7 gears for most of our riding.
> Certainly worth looking into.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:09:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> For those of you who don't follow this blog, an interesting "development"
>> in drivetrain technology -- or perhaps just more marketing hype?
>>
>> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Convert your 11 sp to 7! Only $45!
>>
>> When the Ram was equipped with a 44/30 Pro 5 Vis drivetrain, I ran a
>> 14-23 7 speed cassette and simply added spacers fore and aft. It indexed
>> fine with the 7400 dt shifters. Now it has a 16-26 9 speed to get the same
>> cruising gears in the middle of the cassette.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

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"It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive
fields.  Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with
ourselves."

Hear Hear

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Cyclofiend Jim 
wrote:

> Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to
> this thread.  None of them did anything other than unearth and compound
> arguments.  Rather than rehash and empower those, I found myself stepping
> back and considering perspectives in the original-letter-to-the-editor's
> communication which seem consistent to others who have voiced similar
> opinions over the years.
>
> One thing is that they make it sound as if Grant has taken this position
> in order to sell more bikes/clothing/gear.  That it is somehow inconsistent
> with his true nature, as put on as a fallen film-star's contrition.
>
> Another is that his position is binary.  Either/Or.  My Way/Highway.
>
> A third is that it is proven wrong through a single counter-example.
>
> It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive
> fields.  Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with
> ourselves.
>
> Many folks need no inducement to roll out and cover the miles. It's
> unlikely the book (or other writings) were offered for them.  The more time
> you've spent riding, the more you have fallen and learned, both
> metaphorically and literally. It's a natural process to leave behind those
> things which do not help.  It's needless weight on the climb of our life.
>
> Many folks need a hand up, a push on the saddle, an offering of a required
> tool, a draftable figure in a challenging headwind.  A different route
> through the forest.
>
> Doesn't make either way right or wrong.  Take what you will.  Leave what
> don't require.
>
> - Jim
>
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Re: [RBW] 56cm 650B Toyo Homer for sale on RBW site...

[Chris Chen]

Arrived: SA02**

SA! Bona fide Saluki!

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philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good gravy! Trollface boat! Unintended, I assure you. ;^)
>
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Re: [RBW] Grant Petersen's views on mountain bike development?

[Chris Chen]

APPROVED

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Went out for some "real" mountain biking yesterday morning.  Challenging
> single cross with lots of climbing (and walking for me). (Trail info:
> http://rideoregonride.com/mountain-biking/syncline-trail/).  I rode my
> Koga Miyata Valley Runner (early 90's rigid mtn) with albatross bars and
> barcons.  Also, I had a Hobo handlebar bag and tires were the Compass 26 x
> 1.75" (Pasela style tread pattern).   In general, I love riding this bike,
> but it was way out of its element on this terrain.  Climbing was easier
> with hands forward on the bars rather than at the grips, but then I didn't
> have access to shifting and brakes, which in tricky terrain like this is
> essential.  I often bumped the barcon with my knee and was quickly cursing
> bar-ends for tricky terrain.
>
> This bike in its current set up is great for dirt roads, fire trails, and
> cruising around, but it's no mountain bike.  Knobby tires would certainly
> improve things quickly, but the Albatross bars aren't great for real
> mountain biking, at least for me.  And the bar ends weren't working well
> either.  For "real" mountain biking I would much prefer a bullmoose style
> flat bar or at least a Moustache or Albastache to get my hands further
> forward to help with climbing while maintaining easy access to the brakes
> if not the shift levers.  So based on my experience I agree with Mike about
> the handlebars at least.
>
> I still had a great time.  And here's some pictures of the beautiful
> Columbia River Gorge where this experiment took place:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/sets/72157650523902289/
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Head angles starting tightning up with the 2nd MTB built, literally.  Joe
>> Breeze has stated that Breezer #1 (his personal bike) had a head-tube angle
>> of 67.5 degrees and for Breezers #2-10, he made it 68 degrees.   He had
>> really liked a bike with a 70 degree head angle but some other
>> characteristics of the bike didn't suit him so he chose not to use it as
>> the basis for the geometry of his bikes. His second series of bikes also
>> had 68 degree head angles but by 1982 he was building bikes with 70 degree
>> head tubes.  I think he was still sticking with longer chainstays though.
>>
>> For those really interested in this stuff, here's a fascinating article:
>>
>> http://www.peterverdone.com/?p=2399
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 11:13:15 PM UTC-6, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>>
>>> oh gawd!   alba/bosco whatever on an MTB... never in my life ( I hope)!
>>> The tighter geometry on MTB's was happening in '87 for sure.  I was racing
>>> NORBA on a Fisher and it was not slack.  https://www.flickr.com/
>>> photos/37347002@N05/16209721716/
>>> 
>>> The Bstones were a little steeper HA in the early 90's ( had an MB-2)
>>> but not much.  Most MTB's transitioned to the "NORBA" geo of 71/73 angles
>>> and shorter chainstays in the late 80's including Bridgestone.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>> Carlsbad Ca
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Velo News on Bike Weight

[Chris Chen]

IT'S NOT DEAD YET KEEP BEATING

and when we're done I have a bike shed to paint, need help choosing colors!

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:53 PM, ted  wrote:

> dead horse
>
>
> On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 7:47:57 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> My thoughts on the matter:
>> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2015/02/dont-
>> worry-about-bike-weight.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Home is where the Hilsens are

[Chris Chen]

*blink*
*blink*
*blink*

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> Am I reading this right??
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/16377283568/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Home is where the Hilsens are

[Chris Chen]

I think I'm at peak homer. The 58 is a bit long for me, so I'll probably
move the parts off that onto the 56 and hook a friend up

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Minh  wrote:

> so what do you get when you buy your 5th homer?
>
> great box art, and awareness to know you have 3 now!
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:30:02 PM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15943277983/
>>
>> Build later this week.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks again for helping my student in the USA.

[Chris Chen]

You're welcome.

He did more in 6 months than most of us hope to do in our lifetimes.
Thinking about it now the whole thing felt like an episode of Perfect
Strangers. In all the crazy, awkward, fun, and ultimately rewarding ways.

Cheers

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Kip Otteson  wrote:

> I asked the group about a year ago to help a student find housing options
> in Portland as he was going to attend the UBI course.  Chris Chen
> volunteered to house him and the offer was graciously accepted.  I think it
> took about 45 minutes to find some place for this kid to stay.
> Unbelievably cool.  He went to Portland, got his bike schooling done, found
> time to do Ragbrai, and got tons of experience regarding community cycling
> development.  The plan worked.  He came back to Chiang Mai and has started
> his own shop, Two Revolutions.  He has built a tall bike to lead the
> Critical Mass rides in town and you can see him everywhere promoting what
> he loves.  He is an incredibly positive example of what hard work and
> passion can accomplish.  Thanks again for helping him out and I know you'll
> hear his name in cycling circles in the future.  You guys are always
> welcome to visit Chiang Mai and you have a place to stay with us.
>
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[RBW] Home is where the Hilsens are

[Chris Chen]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/15943277983/

Build later this week.

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Re: [RBW] Busses/Bike thieves

[Chris Chen]

Hrm. Trolley busses. Northern California city.

A place with hills.

;)

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ray Shine  wrote:

> I won't ID the transit agency that I work for, but part of my job is to
> monitor on-board video of all rubber-tire revenue vehicles in a major
> NorCal city. We have video of suspects running into the street in front of
> a bus, causing it to stop abruptly, then removing bikes and riding away
> with them into the nearby projects. Another trick is run up behind and pull
> down the poles on a trolley bus, while a cohort grabs the bike(s) as the
> operator re-engages the poles. Common places for these thefts are on a down
> grade because the thief can shoot down the hill quickly and be gone
> regardless of the gear the bike was left in when racked. I absolutely
> recommend a U-lock through the rear wheel, but not to the rack That will
> most likely result in a bent wheel. Once they realize they can't ride it
> away, it most likely will get thrown down. (Also, if you are so inclined,
> be very careful about pursuing such a thief into the projects. These guys
> don't generally work alone.)
>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Busses/Bike thieves
>
> I've heard of that happening, but two in one day from one route, crazy!
> Any sort of wheel immobilizer would work good, even a cheapy little
> retractable cable lock like skiers use. Just something to keep it from
> being rideable. One of those fast cable ones could even be wrapped around
> the base of the rack to keep the bike attached.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Benedikt 
> wrote:
>
> A friend of mine witnessed this yesterday. A man put his bike on the front
> rack of one of our Metro busses here in Seattle then got on the bus. A
> second man then took the guy's bike off the rack and rode away on it. STOLE
> IT! Right of the front of the bus. The bus driver said that was the second
> time that's happened today. I saw a beautiful Atlantis on one of those
> racks as I rode into work this morning and I feel like I should give you
> all a warning. This is what it's come to.
>
> If you're putting your bike on the bus stay up front where you can keep an
> eye on it. Also we thought perhaps if you locked the back wheel with a u
> lock they wouldn't be able to ride it at least.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis or Hunq - what's the real difference?

[Chris Chen]

When he was repairing my 57 AHH, my friend remarked that the tubing was
surprisingly light, maybe 8 5 8 or something like that. So yeah, there be
differences!

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> This from the Hillborne catalog:
>
> "*Silver Tubes. They look normal from the outside, but*
>
> *Silver tubes are our own design and are better for it.*
>
> *Rather than using industry-standard double-butted tubing*
>
> *picked stock from a catalogue, we shifted the wall*
>
> *thickness around to better address the stresses. long*
>
> *story short, we have more metal where it matters and*
>
> *less where it doesn’t. There is not a better-designed*
>
> *tubeset available, and it’s ours (and yours) alone."*
>
> Sounds similar to the way Thomson seatposts have a round outer cross
> section and an elliptical interior section leaving metal where strength is
> needed and less where it is not.
>
>
> John
>
>
> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 4:46:19 AM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
>> I think that may be one of the misconceptions about Rivendells and Grant
>> has even made comments that support this.  Rivendell's use expensive tube
>> sets because who would buy a $2000 frame knowing it had plain ole' 4130
>> cro-mo?  People expect fancy steel in a frame that expensive.  However,
>> since bikes like the Bombadil and Hunaqapillar may have 1+mm tubing
>> (straight or butted...who knows?) and the Atlantis has 9/6/9 tubes, there
>> may not be that much benefit to the expensive tubes.  My understanding is
>> that the benefit of expensive tubes is high quality steel that allows the
>> builder to use less of it and produce a higher performance bike.  The
>> heavier Riv's don't seem to be designed to take advantage of this.  The
>> Roadeo and maybe the AHH may be a different story and they may benefit
>> tremendously from better tubing.
>>
>> There's probably more to the story when you get into the fine details of
>> all parts of the frame but overall, I think the above is accurate.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:24:50 AM UTC-6, drew beckmeyer wrote:
>>>
>>> really? straight gauge?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brake Cable Hanger - Fork Crown Mount

[Chris Chen]

Wow. It's a metal party up in there.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Kainalu  wrote:

>
> 
> I took a photo. Whatever you end up with, however you decide to stop that
> bike, enjoy.
> -Kai
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 1:17:21 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ca15089.htm
>>
>> Is anyone using this bad-boy with a rack also mounted at the fork crown?
>> I've been using v-brakes on my Hunqa, but the cable is right at the rack
>> mount level, so, although it works, it's sub-optimal as it goes up and over
>> the rack, so it has a bit of extra play.  I'd also like to be rid of the
>> problem solver (road levers).  I want to put CX-70 cantis on the front, but
>> had a bad experience with Tektro cantis on this bike's first build - bad
>> shudder.  I believe the fork crown mount is the answer...
>>
>> It would have to allow a rack to "through mount", 'cauz I'm not giving up
>> the awesome rack on this.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/gJdUVX - shows the current situation with v-brakes.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>> Bike Blog 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is 2015 the year for...Rivendell sportwool jerseys?!

[Chris Chen]

I ordered a pair of small musa undies "for fit" and now I keep checking.

Hrm! Backorder email! :)

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:27 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Yeah seersucker presumably with cowboy buttons. Wouldn't mind some
> knickers and shorts for chicken legged types and Rivendell Woolistic would
> be a winner.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 8:26:03 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
> > The return of seersucker. Once I read that, the entire rest of the
> message fell off my radar.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2015, at 5:15 PM, "Dave @ Riv"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I assume you mean from the MUSA line. Our Woolpower tops are blends and
> resist wear a little better than pure. But poly blends ain't happenin
> around in MUSA. Same with our socks. You can get poly blends anywhere but
> 100% wool is harder to come by, and good, so we'll keep doing that for our
> own stuff.
> >
> > Upcoming MUSA Projects:
> >
> > The striped undies are huge sellers, so more of those. In winter, a long
> version. They're so great and popular we hope to have them in stock more
> reliably.
> > Grey-heather 210g short sleeve version of the pirate crew style is next
> for wool tops. It'll be a real nice garment. A simple grey merino tee.
> After that we'll move to a staff-picked blue/green/grey 3-stripe light wool
> crew we'll call "the Freddy." It's the classic little boy's striped shirt
> (but in adult sizes), named for young Freddy who comes here after school.
> These are too light (and stretchy)  to have pockets sewn in the back
> without ripping off.
> > The return of knickers and seersucker (using the same pattern as
> chambray).
> > A second shorts pattern for skinny legged folks.
> > Mark has been working on getting some of the old Woolistic style jerseys
> like we used to have back, they're made in Italy again now.
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 4:27:27 PM UTC-8, SpiralCage wrote:
> > I sure hope it's the latter!
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 12:12:49 PM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
> > Will 2015 be the year Rivendell gives us a good Riv branded sportwool
> jersey?
> >
> > Or will they try to sell more us more splats, urban ponchos, hatchets
> and pirate shirts?
> >
> > Inquiring minds want to know!
> >
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fork-mount cable stop on seatstay bridge?

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This incident will be reported.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Do you think these Linux jokes are flying over most people's heads?
> Just curious.
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> > Seriously!  Or it'll be like the Matrix, where bike-mechanic-Neo puts the
> > bike in the stand, his eyes close and his eyelids twitch for a few
> seconds.
> > He opens his eyes and says:  "I know how to overhaul a Sturmey S3X".
> > apt-get-sturmey
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 5:19:42 AM UTC-8, Tom Harrop wrote:
> >>
> >> It's a long time since high school physics for me, but I think any
> >> "upwards" force the cable exerts on the straddle wire is going to be
> felt as
> >> "downwards" force by the cable stop. Ted's comment sums up my concern...
> >> hmm, I think you've talked me out of it.
> >>
> >> Now I just have to decide whether to spend €40 on a Funky Monkey or put
> up
> >> with sub-optimal seatpost clamping.
> >>
> >> Jeff, "sudo cablestop" is a shameless theft of an XKCD joke, but I think
> >> you're actually on a winner here. Picture the bike repair pod of the
> future
> >> where you just put in your ride and type "apt-get install cantilevers".
> You
> >> don't even need to have the parts! You should submit a patent...
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Re: [RBW] 56cm 650B Toyo Homer for sale on RBW site...

[Chris Chen]

Troll. I talked to Jared. It's happening!

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I wish somebody would invent an analog realtime voice communication system
> where a person could identify an intended communication partner, by maybe a
> 7 to 11 digit unique identification number, and establish a reasonably
> secure communication tunnel for bidirectional voice communication.  If such
> an invention existed, one could contact Rivendell Bicycle Works over this
> communication medium and just ask them.
>
> If only...
>
> Let's debate about whether or not Chris owns that Hilsen or not!  Maybe
> I'll log in and buy it also, and then he and I can arm wrestle for
> science!  It'll be totally SMAFU
>
> On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> I guess there was a mixup where the inventory was set > 1. So multiple
>> people were able to get in, but APPARENTLY I was the first to see Bill's
>> insane price drop so I guess it's happening?!
>>
>> May as well add some underwear to the order and some kookaburra
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>>
>>> for SCIENCE!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I put the bike in my cart this morning just to see what would happen.
>>>> Went all the way through the checkout process, included a note explaining I
>>>> assumed it had already been sold.  I was going to do it as an experiment.
>>>> For SCIENCE!   But decided not to click the final button as it would
>>>> probably just cause more headache and confusion.
>>>>
>>>> Starting to think that even sending this email is adding to the
>>>> headache.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Young
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the best thing to do for these frame/bike web specials is that
>>>>> you really need to call to make sure, we all want to rely on amazon level
>>>>> of accuracy for on-line orders, and for the most part rivbike.com
>>>>> does a good job of representing in-stock items, but it looks like the
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Re: [RBW] 56cm 650B Toyo Homer for sale on RBW site...

[Chris Chen]

I guess there was a mixup where the inventory was set > 1. So multiple
people were able to get in, but APPARENTLY I was the first to see Bill's
insane price drop so I guess it's happening?!

May as well add some underwear to the order and some kookaburra

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> for SCIENCE!
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I put the bike in my cart this morning just to see what would happen.
>> Went all the way through the checkout process, included a note explaining I
>> assumed it had already been sold.  I was going to do it as an experiment.
>> For SCIENCE!   But decided not to click the final button as it would
>> probably just cause more headache and confusion.
>>
>> Starting to think that even sending this email is adding to the headache.
>>
>> Aaron Young
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>
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>>> you really need to call to make sure, we all want to rely on amazon level
>>> of accuracy for on-line orders, and for the most part rivbike.com does
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Re: [RBW] 56cm 650B Toyo Homer for sale on RBW site...

[Chris Chen]

for SCIENCE!

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I put the bike in my cart this morning just to see what would happen.
> Went all the way through the checkout process, included a note explaining I
> assumed it had already been sold.  I was going to do it as an experiment.
> For SCIENCE!   But decided not to click the final button as it would
> probably just cause more headache and confusion.
>
> Starting to think that even sending this email is adding to the headache.
>
> Aaron Young
>
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>> I think the best thing to do for these frame/bike web specials is that
>> you really need to call to make sure, we all want to rely on amazon level
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Re: [RBW] 56cm 650B Toyo Homer for sale on RBW site...

[Chris Chen]

Maybe none of us got it. I got the order verification but maybe it was
wrong?

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Leslie  wrote:

> Quip on today's BLUG:
>
>
> "Today-only price reductions on all the frames in web specials
> . Prices go back up
> tomorrow. A variety of frames & completes and a few Cheviot b-stock frames
> gotta go. "
>
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> -L
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Re: [RBW] 56cm 650B Toyo Homer for sale on RBW site...

[Chris Chen]

Find the thing that makes you happy and do it for the rest of your life

I'm rationalizing this by thinking this bike would primarily be ridden by
someone else but hey we'll have to see what she says

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This purchase lends more support to the accusation that you just keep
> building the same bike over and over.  :)
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Thursday, February 5, 2015, Chris Chen  wrote:
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>> My credit card company gives me a float on rationalizing what I just did
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Pondero  wrote:
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>>> "Hello everyone, my name is Chris.  I have a Hilsen fetish." -
>>> Christopher Chen
>>>
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Re: [RBW] 56cm 650B Toyo Homer for sale on RBW site...

[Chris Chen]

My credit card company gives me a float on rationalizing what I just did

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