[RBW] Re: Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Drew Henson]

those new colors look great. i have a sam from the last run (i think) in 
silver that i love. the homer is what originally attracted me to riv a long 
time ago, but i think the current version of the sam is better in the 
current version of the homer.

i also had a crust romeo for a bit concurrently with the sam and while i 
don't mind low trail, i preferred the sam and sold the crust. 

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 10:56:22 AM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Ditto to what Jim said: sorely tempted, and I'm still doing final touch-up 
> on my Clem build. 
>
> The new Sams are as ideal an expression of a Rivendell as the Clem. And I 
> love the new colors.
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:36:50 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> I have to say that I haven't looked at a bike and felt a strong impulse 
>> to buy in a long time. 
>>
>> But both of those colors tripped the switch for me. Unique and yet wholly 
>> Riv. Very fine choices. There are going to be some lucky owners looking 
>> back on this day and smiling.
>>
>> Found myself looking at them, thinking "y'know, I don't really have a 
>> swept back bar setup"
>>
>> Temptingtempting
>>
>> J
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I like the colors coming this go-round. The Sam seems like the perfect 
>>> all-rounder and I would get one had I not just bought a Roadini. Who's 
>>> planning to get a Sam Hillborne?
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Drew Henson]

I've had the RH rando bars and the chaco bars on my Sam, which is from the 
last run. I like them both a lot. I'm going with the chaco bars now though 
- plenty of room to roam, I can stretch out if I want, and i feel like the 
most recent Rivendell's are really well suited for upright bars vs drops 
(except maybe the Roadini). 


On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:29:20 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> Most drops now anticipate brake/shift levers with a longer dimension from 
> the bar clamp to the lever pivot. That extension of the lever body 
> triggered a slew of shorter reach bends that cheat those of us who love 
> generous ramps ahead of the hoods. Talk about complicating the field for 
> your choice.  
>
> When STI arrived there was a bit of struggle for those who loved riding 
> the hoods/ramps but could feel how expended they were from previous brake 
> hood positioning. Shorter stems were a quick dimensional solution but 
> closed the distance to the tops, depth of hooks and knee clearance if 
> sticking with a favorite bar with the new brake/shifters. I was and am 
> still a bar-end shifter across my fleet and like the range of handholds for 
> the spectrum of positions from which I address the effort input of riding. 
> Some of the brifter-tailored, widely flared and shallow drop bars 
> significantly limit the number of hand positions and worse, for me, lock 
> those holds by limited wandering from any of them. The Midge bar on the 
> tandem has to go because of this. My body rejects being locked into any 
> position for very long at all as I ride, even if the terrain doesn't vary.
>
> I have Nitto RM-013 bars on both my commuter and Rambouillet and make 
> great use of their generous ramp length (not designed presuming brifters) 
> but on my Coast rando I chose the RH rando bar for the additional contours 
> of the tops for wandering hands and anticipated longer hours on the bike. I 
> imagined that with different steering geometry a different bar would be 
> good for my proprioception and new, distinct muscle memories as I switch 
> back and forth between the others. It took a little bit riding to get 
> accustomed to and make use of the attributes of the new bend after riding 
> the same bars for 20 years before but really does work for me.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:17:20 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - 
>> there's 1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower 
>> drops and mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I 
>> probably want something with a longer ramp for even more position 
>> variability.  There are just. so. many. bars. now.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache 
>>> bars and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally 
>>> use drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
>>> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
>>> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
>>> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
>>> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
>>> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
>>> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
>>> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
>>> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
>>> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>>>
>>> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
>>> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
 bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
 able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
 too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  

 The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
 drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
 comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
 part of my hands behind the thumbs.

 The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
 "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
 pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...

 I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
 being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
 them in 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Drew Henson]

I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the funds to 
pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that eventual build!

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust Trader. 
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
> Matt in STL
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, nor seller 
>>> known to me)
>>>
>>> $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 11:51:08 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally nice 
 buyer.

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
 wrote:

> Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:
>
>
> https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
> wrote:
>
>> Rosco Bubbe
>> 58cm
>> eBay auction
>> Lake Linden, MI
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>>
>> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Drew Henson]

Seattle bike commuter here, going on over a decade with about a 9 mile trip 
one way. Although I don't ride everyday like I once did with work from home 
setup I have now. I agree with a lot of the above. My strategies to keep it 
interesting:

- Tinkering, testing new set ups. Biking is where a lot of my hobby $$ goes 
and I like trying out new stuff.
- Having two commuting bikes that are set up differently. I have one 
upright bike (sam) and one drop bar (crust dreamer). But with dyno hubs and 
fenders, but very different to ride. 7000c vs 650b, v brakes versus discs, 
etc. 
- Bag options. Tray a basket bag set up versus panniers. Leaving more at 
the office versus packing more.
- Changing up route up as much as possible. That wandrer app looks awesome! 
Sometimes in the summer I like to bike by the baseball stadium to see the 
crowds or bike along the beach. 


On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 7:34:29 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> And not average in zeros to your speed.
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 10:10 AM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> One thing to add - you can have Strava auto-pause when you stop.
>>
>> https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919277-Auto-Pause
>>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:21:40 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Enjoy the new adventure! I love commuting by bike. Everyone has said 
>>> wonderful things, but I’d like to add something: just get a dynamo system 
>>> and ditch the rechargeables. This has made a huge difference for me having 
>>> just a couple less things to worry about charging.
>>>
>>> A clear, resonant bell. I have a Crane Suzu and people reeaaalllyyy hear 
>>> it. I’m always ringing it to let people know where I am and it just works. 
>>> Wonderfully. 
>>>
>>> It’s been said but wool makes a difference. I wear wool socks from 
>>> SmartWool year round and I love them and the warmth/cooling they provide. I 
>>> also have a WoolyWarm sweater (obsessed!) and the Dottie Wool gloves. I 
>>> won’t win any awards for looking good, but I’m always cozy on my bike. 
>>>
>>> I also suggest racks/a trailer. Why add more weight you ask? I never, 
>>> ever need to wear a bag and can run the usual errands with little or no 
>>> planning because I can just throw stuff on my racks. The planning comes 
>>> when I need to haul more and have to plan around having my B.O.B.
>>>
>>> And attached is my current setup for commuting, riding, and plain fun. 
>>> Enjoy yourself out there!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Drew Henson]

I have been daydreaming about going the opposite direction from the OP. I 
currently have a v1 lightning bolt that i use for my rambl-y weekend rides 
and a more recent canti romanceur i use for commuting. I also have a recent 
sam i use for commuting and errands. i'm thinking about selling the 
romanceur and, in turn, keeping an eye out for a ram. but i would probably 
keep it 700c. who knows. 

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 3:45:48 PM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> 
>
> I recently picked up a 59 Romulus on the list.  I always thought of the 
> Romulus as the "cheaper Panasonic version of the Rambouillet".  I bought 
> it, stripped it to the bones, and built it back up in my own idiosyncratic 
> way.  I built it with 700x38 Gravel King Slicks.  For oddball reasons I 
> won't get into, I'm not riding it on any "rides" of any distance, but I did 
> ride it around the block and it felt weird, and unlike any Rivendell I had 
> ridden before.  It radically understeered.  It was a bad weird, and I 
> normally am not sensitive to this kind of thing.  I swapped the tires out 
> for 700x32 Rene Herse Stampede Pass, and shazam, it felt like a normal 
> bike, like a Rivendell.  
>
> This was two around the block test rides.  I have not reverted to the 38s 
> to see if the bad-weird repeated.  I have not tried 38mm knobbies to see if 
> it has to do with pneumatic trail and a huge slick contact patch.  Once my 
> weirdo reasons for not riding it are lifted, then I'll get out on it more 
> and form a relationship.  I love my build and will give it a VERY thorough 
> shake down before forming any real lasting opinions.
>
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:38:09 AM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> I'll chime in here that my 650b'd Ram is one of my favorite riding bikes 
>> in the stable. I always want to max out tire width as much as possible and 
>> was disappointed that 700x35 tires with fenders didn't fit. I had a 650b 
>> wheelset and tried 650bx42 and that fit great with room to spare. I've been 
>> riding that configuration for a few months now.
>>
>> It looked like room enough to go one tire size higher (sans fenders). 
>> Thanks to a fellow lister I had some 650bx48 Rene Herse Switchback Hill 
>> Tires waiting for me at home yesterday after a long weekend away. This 
>> morning I swapped em out and they seem to fit just fine. Super excited to 
>> try this out later this week! 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 5:49:36 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Alex, your modified Ram is outstanding.  Probably the most nicest, 
>>> modified Rivendell I've ever seen.
>>>
>>> This whole thread inspired me to wrap up a few things on my own 650b 
>>> conversion project, an RB-1, and to ride my Ram one last time this 
>>> weekend.  (It's supposed to start snowing this weekend, so season's over 
>>> I'm affraid).
>>>
>>> Interesting thing about the Ram, that strikes me every time, is how 
>>> comfortable or "plush" it feels, despite only having 33.33 tires.  I don't 
>>> understand why.  When it was new, it made "normal" road bikes, with 23 to 
>>> 28mm tires look positively silly.  As the rest of the industry has caught 
>>> up and embraced fatter tires, the Ram now "looks' outdated next to a lot of 
>>> other, newer bikes I saw.  My own tendency is almost always to choose 
>>> something with fatter tires, too.  But as I said, I'm struck every time by 
>>> how well it rides and how relevant it still is.  I don’t think I'll ever 
>>> sell it, even if I have to be "prompted" to ride it once in a while.  I 
>>> think if I ever felt differently, I'd now consider Alex's example.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-6 Applegate wrote:
>>>
 Hey Max,

 I sort of love this dilemma. As much as my platonic ideal of a bike has 
 been shaped by Jan Heine, featuring skinny, thin-wall tubing and a flat 
 top 
 tube, I will definitely back a 650b Ram. I would wholeheartedly recommend 
 MAFAC Raids (or go all-in with the Compass/Rene Herse updates). I have a 
 couple pairs of Raids I'm reconditioning with brass bushings/washers and 
 could probably ship one your way for a reasonable fare. Not the point of 
 me 
 posting though.

 I had a V1 XL Canti Bolt for 14 months, using it for randonneuring as 
 well as some gravel rides and mixed terrains touring (with smallish front 
 panniers on a lowrider rack). It was nice to look at and often felt great, 
 but it never really fit me (too long of top tube, seemingly resolved in 
 current geometry). I think I put just over 4k miles on it in that 
 timespan, 
 which is probably the fastest mileage rate of any of my bikes to date.

 However, I also got a 62 (so 60 C–C, as it would happen) Rambouillet 
 about the same time, and the connection felt deeper, sooner. It was 
 stripped to the bare steel and was sporting an eccentric genius 650b 
 

[RBW] Re: Question; Frame Geometry for 54.5cm AHH-MIT, 650B Wheels

[Drew Henson]

this might help, i use it sometimes to compare bike 
frames: https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5cedbc58663b2d0017aa071c,,

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:07:03 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
NJ wrote:

> Does anyone have the frame geometry info (Effective TTL, STA, HTA, Rake, 
> BBD) for the 1st generation of the AHH-MIT, specifically the 54 or 54.5cm 
> frame size which used 650B wheels???
>
> I have tables for the later AHH-MIT but not the first ones.   The current 
> 54.5cm frame uses 700C wheels
>
> Not sure how to use the Way Back Machine or even if the info exists.  I 
> remeber RBW stopped updating their geo tables about the time of the MIT 
> AHHs and Atlantis.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: New Handlebar Suggestions

[Drew Henson]

I had some choco bars on my sam which I loved. I recently swapped bars 
between a crust romanceur and the sam, with rene hearse rando bars going on 
the sam and chaco going on the crust, but I'm already planning to put 
upright bars back on the sam. Thinking I'm going to try to the Ahearne+Map 
bars.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:20:32 AM UTC-8 charlie...@gmail.com wrote:

> I swapped some 46mm Noodles for a Bull Bar a few days ago and am very 
> happy with the results. Not super aero, but the bike feels more capable and 
> is way more fun to ride now. Wish I had done this sooner!
>
> [image: IMG-0318-min.jpg]
>
> Charlie in Maine
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:30:04 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>
>> I'm contemplating moving my Sam Hillborne from dropbar Noodles to some 
>> kind of upright/swept back handlebar, and to be honest, I am a bit 
>> overwhelmed by the various options.  By way of background, all I have ever 
>> know are dropbar handlebars; but at 60, I'm thinking the sweptback/upright 
>> might be a more comfortable option for my back!!  I like the idea of the 
>> aerodynamic benefit of the drops, so wondering what style of upright might 
>> offer aero for the occasional headwind.  From what I have read on this as 
>> well as a few other forums, the RBW Billiebars seems to get high marks.  I 
>> realize bar styles are somewhat subjective, however hoping the vast wisdom 
>> of the RBW Owners Bunch might educate me.  TIA!!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Drew Henson]

Yep - I totally get what y'all are saying and I'm not sure why I posted 
here versus a separate thread. I was laid up with a head cold today and I 
blame the medicine.

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:20:37 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't think anybody minds a self-post here, but I agree if you're 
> selling a Riv you might as well create your own listing so more Rivsters 
> will see it. I tend to lose track of what's in this thread. 
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:12:36 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I don't know if there is a rule against this, but why not just create a 
>> new FS post for your AHH?  I could have sworn there was a message against 
>> selling non-Rivs, but I am not certain on that atm.  
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> Is it cool to shamelessly include our own craigslist listings? Selling 
>>> my MIT AHH in Seattle from the 2019 run (I replaced it with a sam). Would 
>>> prefer to keep it local. I I'm also selling a Crust Romanceur frame size M 
>>> if anyone is in the market which I could ship. Love the bike, just too 
>>> small. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilsen-58cm/7600316685.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:57:37 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: 01616_bnemBujwvCA_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>>> Nice Saluki. Here's a picture for reference after the post is deleted. 
>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:29:28 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> NOS Saluki on Eugene OR Craiglist. Looks beautiful. 
>>>>>
>>>>> $2500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-nos-58cm-rivendell-saluki-650b/7600024758.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 2:41 AM Russell Duncan  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that it’s too difficult to scroll to the bottom of the for sale 
>>>>>> posting list, how about the next person to post here does so under a new 
>>>>>> heading such as:Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Late Winter 
>>>>>> edition, 2023, or whatever is to your liking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Russell Duncan
>>>>>> Connecticut River Valley, MA USA
>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:34:56 AM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For sale is my former Roadini. Bought it and it turned out to be too 
>>>>>>> big for me, looks like it is being sold by the guy who purchased it 
>>>>>>> from me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584646726892255/?ref=browse_tab_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-7 
>>>>>>> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clem Smith JR
>>>>>>>> 52cm
>>>>>>>> 1,200
>>>>>>>> SF,CA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
>>>>>>>>> 62cm
>>>>>>>>> $1,200
>>>>>>>>> Vienna, VA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paging brendonoid! 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell custom c

Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Drew Henson]

Is it cool to shamelessly include our own craigslist listings? Selling my 
MIT AHH in Seattle from the 2019 run (I replaced it with a sam). Would 
prefer to keep it local. I I'm also selling a Crust Romanceur frame size M 
if anyone is in the market which I could ship. Love the bike, just too 
small. 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilsen-58cm/7600316685.html


On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:57:37 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 01616_bnemBujwvCA_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
> Nice Saluki. Here's a picture for reference after the post is deleted. 
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:29:28 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> NOS Saluki on Eugene OR Craiglist. Looks beautiful. 
>>
>> $2500
>>
>>
>> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-nos-58cm-rivendell-saluki-650b/7600024758.html
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 2:41 AM Russell Duncan  wrote:
>>
>>> Not that it’s too difficult to scroll to the bottom of the for sale 
>>> posting list, how about the next person to post here does so under a new 
>>> heading such as:Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Late Winter 
>>> edition, 2023, or whatever is to your liking
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Connecticut River Valley, MA USA
>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:34:56 AM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>>>
 For sale is my former Roadini. Bought it and it turned out to be too 
 big for me, looks like it is being sold by the guy who purchased it from 
 me.


 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584646726892255/?ref=browse_tab_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Clem Smith JR
> 52cm
> 1,200
> SF,CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]
>>
>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
>> 62cm
>> $1,200
>> Vienna, VA
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> Paging brendonoid! 
>>>
>>> Rivendell custom cyclocross
>>> 58cm
>>> $2,800 USD / $4,000 AUD (plus shipping) 
>>> Melbourne, Australia 
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334623181381
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 The Platypus above is sold. It is in my garage now.
 Tom

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 62cm double-tube Appaloosa in SF Bay. This is either underpriced 
> or the Riv market is finally having a reality check. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7586412968.html
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7 
> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Touring
>> No size listed
>> $3,000 
>> Lexington, KY 
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/399785835688755/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> [image: 307812527_5541503645919163_3580851272735801391_n.jpg]
>>
>> Platypus
>> 60cm
>> $3,000
>> Grand Rapids, MI
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1302632586938953/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> [image: 302796712_4687769534658839_715238091324189516_n.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[Drew Henson]

Update - I put some park tool super grip on there for a little extra 
stickiness. Anyone have experience with this stuff? Do you just use this 
alone on a seat post or is it combined with some grease on the lower part 
of the post? 

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 7:57:02 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> Whelp greasing the clamp bolt worked, much to my amazement, which will at 
> least hold me over until the nitto seat post and carbon paste shows up. One 
> of the great things about bikes is one tiny thing can make all the 
> difference. And one of the great things about this group is all the 
> knowledge to be shared.
>
> Speaking of greasing the bolts, here is the new sam waiting at the 
> swinging bridge over the Duwamish River this morning. Those in the Seattle 
> area know that this bridge was recently closed to replace a hydraulic 
> cylinder that allows the bridge to swing open. This is the main bike route 
> out of West Seattle and it was a major pain to commute with it out of 
> commission. Thankfully it's back in action!
> [image: Image.jpeg]
> [image: Image (3).jpeg]
>  
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:23:56 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yup. I worked with Rivendell on my kalloy seatpost that came with the 
>> Roadini slipping. Greased the binder bolt, etc. Darn thing still slipped, 
>> and in any case that kalloy would never stay level (I guess I know why all 
>> those pictures of Rivendell bikes have saddles pointed upwards!). I gave up 
>> and bought a Thomson Elite masterpiece and never had a problem since. The 
>> Thompson also had the advantage of being a 2 bolt seatpost that's 
>> infinitely adjustable and doesn't nose itself upwards.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 12:14:39 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with 
>>> the frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first 
>>> shakedown ride yesterday. 
>>>
>>> I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was 
>>> curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using 
>>> the park tool super grip?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Nitto x Blue Lug Power Stem

[Drew Henson]

old thread, but does anyone have one of thee laying around they'd be will 
to part ways with? i just got the riv faceplatter and it's about 15 cm too 
long and bottoms out on the steer tube leaving the bars just a touch high. 
this blue lug version would be perfecto. the MT-54 would be too short i 
think.

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:38:11 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I recently bought one of these and just received it. I love the Nitto 
> MT-54S and this is indeed similar but it surpasses it in a few ways. 
>
>1. It has a little extra height. Not a ton but enough to give a little 
>more flexibility. Not a huge deal for me as I don't really need more 
> height 
>but that will be a plus for many people.
>2. The faceplate on the Blue Lug version is a little cleaner and 
>sports the Nitto logo in a classy way. The MT-54S faceplate is nice and 
>maybe even a little fancier to look at but I prefer the one on this Blue 
>Lug stem.
>3. These stems come in smaller sizes. The MT-54S stops at 80mm or 90mm 
>(I forget). I like the option to go shorter. In fact the whole reason I 
>went this way is because my new Clem is a long reach for me. I needed to 
>bring the bars closer than the stock 80mm Nitto allowed. Most options like 
>the MT-54S, the SimWorks stems, those new ones Rivendell sells or the Velo 
>Orange options stop at 80mm. Because of the rise it would have brought 
> them 
>a bit closer than the stock stem but not by a whole lot.  I was able to 
> get 
>a 70mm stem from Blue Lug. The Nitto Faceplatter is just too silly tall 
> for 
>me.
>4. A really nice plus is that the stem cap can be replaced with the 
>options offered by Analog and SimWorks if you want to add a dash of color. 
>I think between those two sources you can get gold, red, green, black and 
>silver. I picked up a gold one. The new Rivendell stem might be able to do 
>the same thing I am not sure.
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:48:32 AM UTC-5 jvoli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> These remind of an updated version (faceplate + additional vertical 
>> adjustment) of the old Ritchey Force (Nitto made) quill stems on 90s MTBs.  
>> I definitely want to try this out in the near future.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 8:27:18 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny that in their blog post Nitto shares two of Ron's bikes with the 
>>> Uncle Ron's Back Bars and yet this new stem wouldn't work with 'em! 
>>>
>>> https://bluelug.com/blog/global/nitto-power-stem/
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 11:25:40 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Happy to share, Jason! Best o'luck :) 

 On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 9:17:25 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Woo!  I might just buy the FW30 for the Bombadil.  I do like the 
> smooth fillets of the Riv version of this stem, but I'm somewhat between 
> sizes on the Riv stems and this has exactly what I want (the 100mm, which 
> will be around 90mm actual I believe). Thanks for sharing Eric! 
>
> On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 17:42:47 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Nice! It seems exactly like the MT-54S but maybe with a touch more 
>> height.  The MT-54S is my favorite Nitto stem.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 8:15:52 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me this group would go just plain bananas for this new stem!
>>>
>>> 25.4 clamp with a 4-bolt plate
>>>
>>> Nitto Power Stem 
>>> . Two 
>>> models with different rises, FW30 and FW33. Silver and black. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3951.jpg][image: IMG_8699.jpg]
>>> [image: 9509351F-ECA4-46BC-B163-EF1580DF7A48-900x600.jpg][image: 
>>> IMG_8709.jpg]
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-26 at 8.15.08 PM.png]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Seat Post Slippage

[Drew Henson]

Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with the 
frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first 
shakedown ride yesterday. 

I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was 
curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using 
the park tool super grip?


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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Drew Henson]

Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos 
have all that much clearance depending on tire size.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the 
>> same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should 
>> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I 
>> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the 
>> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>
>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle 
>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
>> priced at $30/pair.
>>
>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Drew Henson]

props to Riv for getting my frame shipped already! i'm sure they have a 
long list to go through.

too bad it'll be a while before i can get it rolling but i love picking out 
components.

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> Sorry about that! I based my decision with my experience with the fit of 
> my 2019 58cm Homer. The 57 cm sam has a longer reach/effective top tube 
> than my homer and i wouldn't have been able to use drop bars i don't think 
> (but swept back bars would easily work).  
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 1:52:50 PM UTC-8 ccf...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>> If you click on a size and color and then put in a high quantity, it will 
>> tell you that you can only add so many to your cart. 
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022, 4:46 PM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Out of curiosity, how’d did up that info?
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Dec 7, 2022, at 12:55 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's what's left after ~50 minutes:
>>> 48cm, 1 silver, 6 olive
>>> 51cm, 5 silver, 8 olive
>>> 54cm, 1 silver, 5 olive
>>> 57cm, 1 silver, 1 olive
>>> 60cm, 6 silver, 6 olive
>>>
>>> Seem to be selling way faster than the Platys (assuming a similar # of 
>>> frames available, which seems reasonable as I believe they've said this is 
>>> the most popular model). And if colors are equal silver is very popular.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Might have been me?
>>>>
>>>> I got a Silver 54 as well. First Riv. 
>>>> Excited and relieved.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how they are moving this round.
>>>> k.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 2022, at 12:21 PM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nice Drew.  I nabbed a 54cm Silver as well.  Already spoke with 
>>>> Vince.  Since their parts bin is deeper than mine I am going to have them 
>>>> build it up and leave my RB-1 shiny bits where they are.  #2 in line.  
>>>> Someone out there is faaat.  :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> just grabbed a 54cm silver. i went into thinking i'd go for a 
>>>>> limeolive but something about the very understated silver made me change 
>>>>> my 
>>>>> mind at the last minute.
>>>>>
>>>>> i have an 87 cm pbh so i could have fit the 57 but i wanted to fall on 
>>>>> the upper end of the fit range. really keen to see how this rides 
>>>>> differently than my 2019 MIT Homer. now the fun begins... finding all the 
>>>>> build parts!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:59:19 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m with you Eric.  My Saluki which I got last winter is a taupe and 
>>>>>> it looks great with brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my 
>>>>>> Hillborne I 
>>>>>> would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If someone was 
>>>>>> hot 
>>>>>> for a bright orange I could be tempted.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think 
>>>>>>> these new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the 
>>>>>>> Hillbornes :) 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
>>>>>>> warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and 
>>>>>>> warm 
>>>>>>> bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
>>>>>>> maxing out the neutrals. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as 
>>>>>>>> it was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my 
>>>>>>>> favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My 

Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Drew Henson]

legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to level top 
tube and shorter chain stays

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR COAT...
>
> I hope Grant is listening
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright <
> mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick which 
> model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to resurrect one 
> out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>
> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit of the 
> geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that feels like a 
> long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I absolutely 
> adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite being a natural 
> and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the thread "a tale 
> of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in my experience. 
>
> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as there has 
> never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. XO-1 - ALL Rounder 
> - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are still obsessive 
> with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>
>
> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Drew Henson]

Sorry about that! I based my decision with my experience with the fit of my 
2019 58cm Homer. The 57 cm sam has a longer reach/effective top tube than 
my homer and i wouldn't have been able to use drop bars i don't think (but 
swept back bars would easily work).  

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 1:52:50 PM UTC-8 ccf...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keith,
> If you click on a size and color and then put in a high quantity, it will 
> tell you that you can only add so many to your cart. 
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022, 4:46 PM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, how’d did up that info?
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2022, at 12:55 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> Here's what's left after ~50 minutes:
>> 48cm, 1 silver, 6 olive
>> 51cm, 5 silver, 8 olive
>> 54cm, 1 silver, 5 olive
>> 57cm, 1 silver, 1 olive
>> 60cm, 6 silver, 6 olive
>>
>> Seem to be selling way faster than the Platys (assuming a similar # of 
>> frames available, which seems reasonable as I believe they've said this is 
>> the most popular model). And if colors are equal silver is very popular.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Might have been me?
>>>
>>> I got a Silver 54 as well. First Riv. 
>>> Excited and relieved.
>>>
>>> I wonder how they are moving this round.
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Dec 7, 2022, at 12:21 PM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice Drew.  I nabbed a 54cm Silver as well.  Already spoke with Vince.  
>>> Since their parts bin is deeper than mine I am going to have them build it 
>>> up and leave my RB-1 shiny bits where they are.  #2 in line.  Someone out 
>>> there is faaat.  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
>>>> just grabbed a 54cm silver. i went into thinking i'd go for a limeolive 
>>>> but something about the very understated silver made me change my mind at 
>>>> the last minute.
>>>>
>>>> i have an 87 cm pbh so i could have fit the 57 but i wanted to fall on 
>>>> the upper end of the fit range. really keen to see how this rides 
>>>> differently than my 2019 MIT Homer. now the fun begins... finding all the 
>>>> build parts!
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:59:19 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’m with you Eric.  My Saluki which I got last winter is a taupe and 
>>>>> it looks great with brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my Hillborne 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If someone was 
>>>>> hot 
>>>>> for a bright orange I could be tempted.  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think 
>>>>>> these new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the 
>>>>>> Hillbornes :) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
>>>>>> warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and 
>>>>>> warm 
>>>>>> bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
>>>>>> maxing out the neutrals. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as 
>>>>>>> it was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my 
>>>>>>> favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black 
>>>>>>> (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful 
>>>>>>> colors. 
>>>>>>> There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes 
>>>>>>>> are such great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely 
>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Drew Henson]

just grabbed a 54cm silver. i went into thinking i'd go for a limeolive but 
something about the very understated silver made me change my mind at the 
last minute.

i have an 87 cm pbh so i could have fit the 57 but i wanted to fall on the 
upper end of the fit range. really keen to see how this rides differently 
than my 2019 MIT Homer. now the fun begins... finding all the build parts!

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:59:19 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m with you Eric.  My Saluki which I got last winter is a taupe and it 
> looks great with brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my Hillborne I 
> would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If someone was hot 
> for a bright orange I could be tempted.  
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think these 
>> new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the Hillbornes 
>> :) 
>>
>> I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
>> warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and warm 
>> bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
>> maxing out the neutrals. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as it 
>>> was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my 
>>> favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black 
>>> (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful colors. 
>>> There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are 
 such great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the 
 paint colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but 
 the 
 RBW blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are 
 rel good. 

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell 
>>> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a 
 lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are 
 spectacular. 
 Don't doddle! 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm 
>> and fits as it should.  
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size 
>>> chart on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically 
>>> over the 
>>> years. My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current 
>>> batch. 
>>> When I test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 
>>> 56cm I 
>>> believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
>>> changes, 
>>> but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and 
>>> be at 
>>> the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be 
>>> sublime.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill,

 I'd love the catalog!! 
 Houston Wilson
 Los Angeles, CA

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  
> I've stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from 
> one of the 
> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants 
> it, let me 
> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 
> jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on 

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Drew Henson]

I am planning to grab a 54cm one to replace my 2019 homer (58cm). haven't 
decided on color yet and they both look so good. 

will be whipping up a sales post later but if anyone browsing might have 
interest in the homer let me know. it's a sublime ride with swept back bars 
but i want to try out a sam.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:06:47 PM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> Let's hope Wednesday proves to be a great day for all those interested!  
> I've studied the size charts and glad I did.  I have a 59cm RB-1 which fits 
> fine, yet the 57cm Sam has a higher standover.  The charts put me on a 54 
> Sam.   These bikes have a big front end!  Save a Silver one for me, please.
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:56:38 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
>> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My 
>> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test 
>> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and 
>> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
>> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
>> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>>> Houston Wilson
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
 stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
 sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
 know and I can mail it to whomever.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
> until 
> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>
> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>


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[RBW] FS Handlebars Rene Herse Simworks Easton Soma

[Drew Henson]

I'm selling 4 different handlebars, all purchased new and have seen minimal 
use. Price does not include shipping (I think shipping is around $20 for 
most places in US). I'm in Seattle if anyone is interested locally. 

$75 Rene Herse Maes Parallel 25.4 420mm 
(https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/handlebars/maes-parallel-254-handlebars/)

$75 simworks smog cutter 31.8 480mm 
(http://goldensaddlecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/sim-works-4-gsc-smog-cutter-handlebars)

$35 easton ea50 31.8 400mm 
(https://eastoncycling.com/collections/components/products/ea50-ax-bar?variant=2964213677)

$50 soma highway one bars 26.0 460mm 
(https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/highway-1-bar) 

I have pics if anyone wants them.



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[RBW] Re: FS Crust Stem Swift Bag Outershell Bag

[Drew Henson]

Bandito sold

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:

> Quick update if anyone still interested: Outershell bag and crust stem 
> sold, bandito and ritchey stem are still available.
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Selling some stuff that's pilled up, pics available upon request. All in 
>> very good condition. 
>> Prices plus shipping.
>>
>> Swift bandito saddle bag, black cordura, ($25)
>> Outershell rolltop sadddle bag, grey cordura ($30)
>> Ritchey comp stem, black, 90mm 31.8 ($25)
>> Crust x nitto UI quill stem, 30deg 26.0 clamp ($75)
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Crust Stem Swift Bag Outershell Bag

[Drew Henson]

Quick update if anyone still interested: Outershell bag and crust stem 
sold, bandito and ritchey stem are still available.



On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 9:19:11 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:

> Selling some stuff that's pilled up, pics available upon request. All in 
> very good condition. 
> Prices plus shipping.
>
> Swift bandito saddle bag, black cordura, ($25)
> Outershell rolltop sadddle bag, grey cordura ($30)
> Ritchey comp stem, black, 90mm 31.8 ($25)
> Crust x nitto UI quill stem, 30deg 26.0 clamp ($75)
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[RBW] Re: New 650b Rims from Crust

[Drew Henson]

I have a pair on a fairly new crust romanceur, and i like them quite a bit. 
rear hub is no louder than a white industry hub i have on another bike. I 
really like the SP generator hub, i think it's a good value. 

I am curious if the spoke tensioning holds up. I probably have about 100 
miles on them. 

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:07:36 AM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own a set of the Crust wheels on my Canti Lightning bolt, and they’re 
> just fine, although the rear hub is loud.  Mine are the 650b size, 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:11:41 AM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> I have a pair of the 700c complete wheelsets and I probably put them 
>> through more rough stuff than they were intended to be on. 
>>
>> I've ridden them for about 500-600 miles, about 40% gravel (nothing super 
>> rough) and 60% road in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills. I ride my bikes kind of 
>> hard, with a lot of out of the saddle, high torque efforts. I'm never 
>> riding any trails that I'd be more comfortable on a front suspension bike 
>> on. The wheels were machine built, so they went out of true rather quickly 
>> which was expected. At ~200 miles, I gave them a little touch true to keep 
>> them laterally true. But shortly after (~70 miles later), they went out of 
>> true again, and I attributed this to my lack of experience truing wheels, 
>> it being machine-built wheel, how light the rim is, and/or how hard i'm 
>> pushing them. 
>>
>> An acquaintance mentioned that he had to true his wheelset about 5 times 
>> before they stayed true. I'm not super well equipped to true wheels 
>> appropriately, so this would have gotten expensive for me to get a shop to 
>> do this regularly, so I just got them detensioned/retensioned by a trusted 
>> wheel builder. The wheel builder mentioned that the rear hub is a bit 
>> crunchy already and he suggested I replace the bearings and clean out the 
>> internals to get 'em smooth again. I wasn't thrilled to hear that, but it's 
>> all good. 
>>
>> Anyways, the wheels are light and really responsive, I like how quickly 
>> they spin up, and they're priced really well. But since I'm not a 
>> wheelbuilder-type, I think this is the last machine-built wheelset I ever 
>> buy. The wheels were pretty, light, and cheap-ish. But as a friend says, 
>> strong, light, cheap; you can only pick two. 
>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:51 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any on-bike experience with the Crust wheelsets? I'm 
>>> curious about them.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:53:16 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 Heyo,

 I think this has been brought up in the past, but Crust recently 
 designed some new 650b wheels/rims that are a good alternative to the 
 Pacenti Brevets and Velocity Quills that serve as excellent rims for 
 lighter Rivendell builds.

 Anywho, they are now available to purchase as separate rims rather than 
 part of the wheelset...the only downside being you can get any drilling 
 you 
 want, as long as its 32h.

 Crust Rim Brake Rims – Crust Bikes 
 

 Cheers,
 Collin in "subsiding, but not from earthquakes" in Sacramento

>>>

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[RBW] FS Crust Stem Swift Bag Outershell Bag

[Drew Henson]

Selling some stuff that's pilled up, pics available upon request. All in 
very good condition. 
Prices plus shipping.

Swift bandito saddle bag, black cordura, ($25)
Outershell rolltop sadddle bag, grey cordura ($30)
Ritchey comp stem, black, 90mm 31.8 ($25)
Crust x nitto UI quill stem, 30deg 26.0 clamp ($75)

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[RBW] Re: Double Rivendell Models

[Drew Henson]

This resonates with me because I have 4 bikes that are *slightly* different 
flavors of the same bike - Riv MIT Homer, Crust canti romanceur, crust 
canti lightening bolt, crust dreamer (the two canti crusts are so very 
similar). Granted, some mix of geometry there, but any of these bike could 
be set up as a commuter, grocery getter, road bike, or rando bike.  I've 
been feeling guilty lately for owning these and spending money to build 
these out... shouldn't I be satisfied with one great all around bike (which 
any of these are) ?!?! But I love all 4 for different reasons and they're 
each set up differently so, what can you do?

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:19:58 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> Some women love shoes, some love bicycles. I, too, identify with the 
> latter.
>
> However, I am someone who has 7 pairs of identical jeans (jean shorts for 
> summer) so I never have to think about what I will wear. Sure, the pairs 
> cycle through from "going out" to "paint-grade" and vary from dark to 
> faded, but I find a version that fits perfectly and that is it. I pair them 
> with white t-shirts with variation by season (long sleeves, short sleeves, 
> tank). (OK, in the interest of full disclosure, I do have some color in my 
> wardrobe, all of which is either a shade of blue or orange, and a few pairs 
> of pants in tan or white. I should also note that I have been self-employed 
> for over a decade and partially retired.)
>
> As far as bikes go... it is all about space to store them and money tied 
> up in them. My riding doesn't have enough variation because I don't ever 
> ride for speed anymore, no more lycra road-riding for me (I used to live on 
> the most popular bike route in the Bay Area near Stanford); just natural 
> routes with little to no traffic. Now, I would consider a second set of 
> wheels and doing the necessary mechanicking to change over for a longer 
> road-dominate ride. I also recall a short time when I had two cars; I was 
> newly divorced and my mid-life crisis consisted of adding a VW Beetle when 
> I had a Honda Odyssey. I sold the Beetle after 6 months because I didn't 
> like the decision of which car I would take, the maintenance of two cars, 
> jockeying the parking, etc. So, I do not appear to be someone who manages 
> multiples of similar-purpose items.
>
> More bikes may be in the future though... I would totally get having a 
> messed-up version to ride in theft-prone areas and a nice one to ride when 
> on a never-getting-off ride, however, I doubt I will be in the former sort 
> of location again (oh, my! How do people survive the Bay Area these days? 
> Bikes disappear in seconds on college campuses.) My hubby-in-kind loves 
> bicycles too, we just picked up a steel recumbent from a thrift store. He 
> rides a Scott now, but I feel like there might be a Joe Appaloosa under the 
> tree... (he is the 64cm guy, finally found a guy with a longer pbh than 
> mine). 
>
> I recognize that this fits as an answer to your OP by a fingernail hold
>
> Cheers, 
>
> kd
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 5:52:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I got a DM on Instagram from a new Gus owner. He is loving his Gus so 
>> much he said he might copy my idea and get another, and set them up 
>> differently. I’ve been emailing with a woman who wonders if getting a 
>> Rivendell mixte might be worth it since she already has a Clem L. It made 
>> me wonder if anyone else has had the same idea. 
>>
>> Also, this is an excuse to give you my unvarnished opinion on the matter.
>>
>> When I bought a second Platypus, people did not understand. You have *two, 
>> *they would say. I felt stupid admitting it, but I knew it was the right 
>> decision. I love a Platy. That model fits me so well, I love to ride it, 
>> and I love the look of it, too. Ok, people will say, but what about 
>> *variety*? You could get a different bike. True, but I know me. And me 
>> is guilty of having 7 pairs of jeans but only wearing 3. I have favorites. 
>>
>> I regret nothing. I ride both of those Platypuses every single week. When 
>> one is out of commission, I am greatly comforted that I have another. They 
>> are set up very differently, but I never think, “Oh, I wish this one was 
>> like that one.” They are different enough that I feel I have variety, but 
>> familiar to me in form and feel. I love to ride them both. And I never feel 
>> sheepish when people ask me about why I have two. 
>>
>> Today, I rode them both, my Pair O’ Platypuses. I started the day running 
>> errands by bike. The Overkill Shopping Platypus was the perfect choice for 
>> dropping a package at the post office.. Later, I took my sons on the River 
>> Trail to do some sightseeing. The Racing Platypus was the perfect choice 
>> for that. 
>>
>> Who else has been secretly coveting a duplicate bike? Who else adores 
>> their Rivendell so much that they just want a second of the exact same 
>> model? Pics in the 

[RBW] needl help

[Drew Henson]

I am setting up the needl blastr headset from riv on a new bike. does 
anyone know where the steel race is placed? does it go between the needle 
bearing and the crown race or between the needle bearing and the cup? based 
on the fit I think it goes between the needle bearing and the cup.

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[RBW] Re: Bag for hub area rack

[Drew Henson]

thanks joe. i've used some ortlieb gravel packs a few times and they work 
fine, although they take a little maneuvering to get on there.

i was hoping someone would chime in with a "oh yea they made smaller ones, 
i have an old pair if you're interested..." haha

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:26:22 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'll over experience with another bag and vague opinions because I think 
> the data pool for this is going to be very small. 
>
> Yes Riv made a smaller bag for it. I used Ortliebs on one (shown) and my 
> memory is I did some sliding closer together of hooks to make them hang 
> from that rack. I suspect you're right that the non-slidables on the 
> Backabikes will be too wide, I'd ask Grant. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:52:47 PM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the current backabike bag fits on the hub area rack? 
>> Th upper latches look too wide in the pics to me but hard to say. Did they 
>> sell a smaller version at one point?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Bag for hub area rack

[Drew Henson]

Does anyone know if the current backabike bag fits on the hub area rack? Th 
upper latches look too wide in the pics to me but hard to say. Did they 
sell a smaller version at one point?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Drew Henson]

Does anyone know why one might sell a perfectly fine 58cm homer with 650b 
tires (bought almost 3 years ago) and get one of these new 54.5cm with 700c 
tires and downtube bosses? 

Ok, I admit it, it's me. I have a 58 cm, 650b'd homer. My pbh is 87,  the 
58 is just a tad long for me if I want to run noodles but it is an 
otherwise ideal commuter with chaco bars. But I am for some reason very 
tempted by the newer frame. 

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oooops, 2019 specs.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>
>> I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same 
>> standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the Bleriot 
>> may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.   
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of a 
>>> big geo chart written on cardboard. 
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared 
 of charts and says...

 "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us 
 with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.

 -will"

 It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 


 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>
>> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
>>> short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on 
>>> the 
>>> way...
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
 available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if 
 I 
 wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Drew Henson]

does pbh still provide the best guidance for sizing a roadeo? two posters 
in this thread think they should have gone a size up. 

my pbh is ~87cm. i have a MIT 58 CM AHH. That bike is perfectly sized for 
swept back bars but I found it to be a tad too long when i used drop bars. 

for my pbh, in what seems to me to be a classic riv website "nuance", they 
recommend either 59 or a 61 in the roadeo. (chart suggest 59, frame 
description says 59 or 61 depending on preferences). I'd go with a 57 if i 
were just going by stack/reach on bike insights. 




On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:10:43 AM UTC-7 reynoldslugs wrote:

> Dear Tim et al:
>
> Here is a Flickr gallery of my Roadeo.  It's a 61, I sort of think I 
> should have gone with a 63 - but the bike rides great and looks terrific.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157719068508932
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:22:19 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like 
>> some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". 
>> This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and 
>> clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just a 
>> x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
>> rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I find 
>> it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
>> I'm willing to live with that. 
>>
>> Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a Roadeo. 
>> I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down but at 
>> least I'll always have the Sam. 
>>
>> So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Banana sax vs Berthoud saddle bag

[Drew Henson]

Has anyone owned both of these? 

Riv lists the banana sax as  7x9x5, which is ~ 5L give or take, probably a 
little less given the taper. Berthoud lists the saddle bag volume as 2.4L. 
In pics the banana sax does not look twice as large. 

Thanks in advance!

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[RBW] WTB - Clem L, Cheviot, Or similar

[Drew Henson]

Hi all,

My wife is in the market so I thought I would try the group to see if there 
was a used option out there. She doesn't need much mostly just comfort for 
cruising around the hood with the kids. Shes' ~5'-7" with an 83cm pbh and 
I'm thinking one of the step thru rivs would be ideal, although I'd 
entertain something else properly sized. I've seen a few clem L's pass 
through the group recently. I was hoping she could just ride my AHH with 
choco bars but the standover is an issue. We're in Seattle.

Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Cape Recommendation

[Drew Henson]

it's june-uary here in seattle so i'm thinking about bike ponchos, this 
thread has been helpful. anyone have any experience with this cleverhood? 
it has a waterproof rating listed but it seems like it's on the low end of 
the spectrum, the cleverlite seems pretty decent too.

https://www.cleverhood.com/shop/rainwear/classic-rain-poncho/mens-cape-with-hood-john-brown/

i'd probably just splurge for the faiweather one if it had reflective 
accents like some others. the J one seems kinda short based on the 
pictures on the site but it's hard to judge. 

Anyone used this one? Seems decent as well.
https://www.backcountrygear.com/daypack-bike-poncho-1.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyNjHzLiJ6gIV0hx9Ch0ujAUREAQYAiABEgLEVvD_BwE

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shorts similar to Riv MUSA

[Drew Henson]

Been wondering the same, good thread. Was gonna get some patagonia baggies, 
but do they have an underwear liner like swim trunks?

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 6:12:40 PM UTC-7, Todd Ferguson wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone for the awesome responses!
>
> --Todd
>
> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 7:26:47 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>>
>> Western rise has a pair that I like a lot. Great for swimming too.
>
>

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[RBW] Hub Area Rack Pannier Options

[Drew Henson]

Looking to grab a hub area rack but it looks like the rack clamp space 
along the top is a little too narrow for the swift junior ranger panniers I 
have. What are some other panniers that folks have used with this rack 
(notwithstanding the Riv bags, which aren't in stock anyway)?Ortlieb I 
guess? I like the junior rangers because they have a side pouch and a front 
zipper, and are water resistant enough. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: MIT AHH vs Canti Sam

[Drew Henson]

ted - that's a solid point about the build choices. my plan, until I saw 
the canti sams in the garage section, was to try some 42mm knobbies or 
something on the homer this summer and give it a go. still think that's 
what i'll do but you know, the mind wonders. 



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[RBW] Re: MIT AHH vs Canti Sam

[Drew Henson]

I'm in Seattle, but I appreciate it. Of course the fact that they found a 
couple 55cm Sams laying in the back room, that would be my size, rehashed 
the internal debate I went through when I got the homer. 

I like the ride of the homer for my commute (9 miles each way) but it's 
also not my preferred choice for sportier rides. It also wouldn't be my 
choice for 1-2 night camping trip or gravel ride. This could be limited by 
my imagination as I just don't see people using the AHH for that, but I 
have seen people use the sam for it. So the homer, for me at least, it 
kinda stuck in the commuter zone which is totally fine, I just wonder if 
the sam might be a little more versatile overall by providing some beef for 
the tougher stuff (NOT adventure riding or long touring, note) while also 
hitting the commuter zone. 

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[RBW] MIT AHH vs Canti Sam

[Drew Henson]

I've had an MIT AHH for about a year now. Really like the ride, perfect 
commuter for me. But I was wondering if I might prefer the slightly burlier 
sam. I think I also prefer the sam aesthetics over the MIT AHH. But I know 
Riv lumps them into the same category for 95% of the cases so I was 
wondering if anyone had ridden both and could comment on the 
differences/similarities? 

I did a search and couldn't find an old thread so apologies if this has 
been discussed before. 

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[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Drew Henson]

this thread inspired me to get the new nitto front rack too. especially 
after watching the basket on my AHH wiggle, zip tied to a mark's rack, on 
my ride this morning. 

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[RBW] Re: RBW Seattle bike shops!

[Drew Henson]

Back Alley Bike Repair located downtown built up my AHH last year and did a 
great job. Free Range Cycles in Fremont used to carry a riv or two, not 
sure if they still do but I'd trust them also. I bought a Surly LHT from 
them years ago and I'd always take it in for servicing. 

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 8:25:45 AM UTC-7, Anthony Childs wrote:
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> Hi RBWOB! I Live in Seattle and wanted to know your favorite bike shop to 
> take your Riv!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Drew Henson]

Just to add my experience, I have two berthoud aspins that I really like. 
One is almost a year old and one is only about 3 months in. The year old 
one is very very comfortable. I had a brooks b17 for about 8 years before 
that and it was fine. Plenty comfortable but eventually i couldn't get the 
tension where i wanted it.  

Before I splurged for the second berthoud I tried a selle anatomica and it 
took me one ride to figure out it wasn't for me. Not only is it way too 
"soft", but the relatively flat shape caused the sharp edges to rub against 
my legs. I also didn't care for the leather finishing.

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Drew Henson]

Golden Age'r. Catch is I've never actually owned a riv but my first is on 
it's way soon i hope (MIT AHH). i found riv around 2008-09. badly wanted an 
AHH or an atlantis, but those were out of the budget and i settled for a 
surly LHT. i wouldn't turn down a legolas, mostly due to the sweet seat 
tube decal. 

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[RBW] Re: Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[Drew Henson]

i'm on the pre-order for the MIT AHH and it will be my primary commuter, 
and plan on setting it up like Grant's AHH as shown on the staff bike page- 
Mark's rack with basket on the front and pletscher rear rack and medium 
saddlesack  on the back. this should easily handle my typical load (change 
of clothes + lunch + tools). if i need a heavier load i'll just use 
panniers on the rear. i suspect i wouldn't like a heavy front load handling 
based on my experience with a front load on a surly lht I used to have. 
never felt quite right.

my current commuter is an elephant nfe which is low trail. it handles a 
front load beautifully unless i go too heavy. then i get a shimmy at high 
speed and that's a whole other ball of wax.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 9:39:45 PM UTC-7, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> I think Rivendells in general handle better with a rear load bias. They 
> have a high trail front end geometry, at least the older HH's did. Low 
> trail bikes with 60-70mm of fork rake only handle well with a front end 
> load. It's really a difference between French and English bike geometry 
> preference, or Jan Heine vs Grant Petersen if you prefer. That said, I run 
> my Homer with light loads on the front and it doesn't feel too bad,(no 
> where near 10 lbs.) The combination of a banasax up front with a small or 
> medium saddle sack in the rear,  works great for long day rides.
>
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 8:53:09 AM UTC-7, Jamo. wrote:
>>
>> I am in the market for a rack for my Hilsen.  It would be light loads, 
>> 10lbs max, and I want to run a basket on it.  I figured people here would 
>> have advice/opinions on front vs rear loads on the Hilsen, and maybe even a 
>> specific rack recommendation.
>>
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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

[Drew Henson]

I'm actually not sure what the exact trail measurement is, but everything 
I've read refers to it as "low trail". It handles like other low trail 
bikes I've ridden which I very much like.

On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 4:28:53 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> What is the trail on the NFE? Isn't it more mid-trail? Just curious - my 
> low trail is 35mm of trail and my Gunnar is 65mm which is quite the 
> difference.
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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

[Drew Henson]

I (pre)ordered one the other day. I’ve been wanting an an AHH for a while now 
but the MUSA frames were just out of my budget, so I jumped at the MIT version. 
Admittedly I’d prefer the more horizontal top tube and shorter wheel base, but 
what can you do.  My only bike now is an elephant Nfe which is low trail and 
pretty “lively” and a lot of fun to ride, but I think the AHH will make an 
awesome partner for days I want something more stable and comfortable. That’s 
the plan anyway. 

Side note: I’ve seen a guy lately cruising around West Seattle and downtown 
Seattle on an Atlantis with double tt. Looks awesome.  

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Drew Henson]

Thanks for the input everyone,. I am in the Seattle area, and my goals this 
year are to do more gravel riding and to complete the Seattle to Portland 
ride.  My primary use, however, is a 9 mile commute (with some decent 
climbs in parts) with the previously mentioned 10-15 lbs.  I'm really 
looking for a bike to tackle the commute but also be able to handle the 
Seattle to Portland ride (another bike will be my gravel bike). Seems like 
the AHH is probably the best Riv to handle that I just wanted some opinions 
over the difference over the LHT.  With the LHT i definitely notice the 
weight on my commute and I want something snappier.

On Friday, December 29, 2017 at 3:05:29 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi Drew,
>
> I don't have time to read through all the responses but I have had a AHH 
> and now have a LHT. Yes there is a difference. The AHH will be a snappier 
> than the LHT. I always do things backwards :) What I like about the LHT is 
> the 1 1/8 threadless stem. If I ever do a long loaded tour then I have a 
> bike that costs much less so less money hanging in the garage. My brother 
> owned a Sam and it's nice. Not as snappy as a AHH but a great bike 
> nonetheless. Maybe consider one of the other bikes Riv is making now. 
> Anyway enjoy the process.
>
> ~hugh
>
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 10:36:07 PM UTC-8, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> Are there any surly LHT owners that also have an A Homer Hilsen? I'm 
>> curious how the ride really differs, in practical terms.  I currently own 
>> an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" bike for me.  I'm 
>> looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT but still able to 
>> carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of an AHH for a long 
>> time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel bike for another, 
>> without much difference in the ride when it comes down to it. 
>>
>> Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell 
>> brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So if 
>> you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.
>>
>> I've browsed this use group a bunch but this is my first post, so thanks 
>> in advance for any info! 
>>
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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Drew Henson]

Are there any surly LHT owners that also have an A Homer Hilsen? I'm 
curious how the ride really differs, in practical terms.  I currently own 
an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" bike for me.  I'm 
looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT but still able to 
carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of an AHH for a long 
time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel bike for another, 
without much difference in the ride when it comes down to it. 

Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell 
brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So if 
you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.

I've browsed this use group a bunch but this is my first post, so thanks in 
advance for any info! 

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