[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet

[MoVelo]

Ok let's try this again.

https://imgur.com/a/efh8m16

JP

On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 2:01:05 PM UTC-5 Batwing wrote:

> Hey James,
>
> Is this a pic of the bottom bracket?  I may be Imgur deficient.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 1:39:55 PM UTC-5 MoVelo wrote:
>
>> Guys and Gals
>>
>> Having just purchased a new Sam Hillbourne, I am ready to sell my much 
>> loved Ram.
>>
>> $700 + shipping
>>
>> Payment by check or money order.
>>
>> Please have a look at the linked photo and let me know if you have 
>> questions.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/1uT81Kc
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> James Poulson
>> Pleasant Hill, MO
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet

[MoVelo]

I'm new to posting on Imgur. Sorry about that. 

I think this should provide a link tov all the photos of the frame and fork.

James Poulson

On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 2:01:05 PM UTC-5 Batwing wrote:

> Hey James,
>
> Is this a pic of the bottom bracket?  I may be Imgur deficient.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 1:39:55 PM UTC-5 MoVelo wrote:
>
>> Guys and Gals
>>
>> Having just purchased a new Sam Hillbourne, I am ready to sell my much 
>> loved Ram.
>>
>> $700 + shipping
>>
>> Payment by check or money order.
>>
>> Please have a look at the linked photo and let me know if you have 
>> questions.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/1uT81Kc
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> James Poulson
>> Pleasant Hill, MO
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet

[MoVelo]

Guys and Gals

Having just purchased a new Sam Hillbourne, I am ready to sell my much 
loved Ram.

$700 + shipping

Payment by check or money order.

Please have a look at the linked photo and let me know if you have 
questions.

https://imgur.com/1uT81Kc


Thanks

James Poulson
Pleasant Hill, MO

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[MoVelo]

Jeff

If you are unsuccessful in connecting with this buyer I have a blue 58 
frame and fork that I am about to advertise on the list. I haven't decided 
what to ask for it. If that size works for you and your interested let me 
know.

Thanks
James Poulson
On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:35:55 AM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> I've been trying to contact this seller but haven't heard back yet. Oh 
> man, I would like to have this. Anyone have any luck getting thru?
>
> Jeff
> On Friday 12 July 2024 at 08:12:45 UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Nice price on a 60cm Sam 
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-60cm-rivendell-hillborne-dynamo/7765148176.html
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 5:04:48 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I so badly wish this was a 58/59. Hell, even 60!
>>>
>>> This is exactly what I want to be riding this summer!
>>>
>>> What size tire will it clear? 28s?
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:19 PM, donavanm  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>> 63cm Roadeo. Don't see these every day. Good price IMO. 
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-roadeo-63cm-black-and/7763433686.html
>>>
>>>
>>>  This is mine. I can provide more photos if anyones interested, or a 
>>> test ride in seattle. As mentioned i just dont ride it these days.
>>>
>>> I also have a 61cm simpleone that Ill be listing once I take some pics 
>>> tomorrow. Im keeping my quickbeam, and Ill be down to 7 other bikes…
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[MoVelo]

I'm getting the bronzy green version Sam and am pretty excited. Moving most 
of the parts from my Bridgestone T700 over which are mostly classic silver 
finish. I've been researching traditional Rivendell elf costumes and color 
schemes for some inspiration for *accoutrements and could use help and 
suggestions. Maybe they are obvious and I'm just not seeing them. *

Cheers
JP in PH  

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:32:15 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
> Nay.
> It looks great, but a roll top has no place on a handlebar bag.
>
>
> Well, I was asking more about aesthetics than about functionality. I have 
> a few different handlebar bags with conventional rear-opening tops and I am 
> pretty frequently in there mid-ride for snacks or clothing changes. I also 
> have a couple of Dark Realm basket bags that are roll-tops and I appreciate 
> their ability to grow in volume as needed. For a handlebar bag, though, I'm 
> inclined to agree that a roll top isn't ideal, both because the access 
> while riding isn't great and because a bag mounted on a Nitto F-15 or F-19A 
> rack doesn't have a lot of weight capacity, and the roll top invites 
> overloading.
>
> Still interested in people's opinions on yellow in combination with 
> periwinkle. I sold a purple Co-Motion tandem to some friends, and she, an 
> art teacher, immediately went to yellow for cable housing and bar tape. 
> It's quite sharp, though here in Wisconsin it's a bit too reminiscent of 
> Minnesota Vikings colors. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[MoVelo]

Lovely bike Leah. Makes me think of Tom Wolf's Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. 

Psychedelics experience/experiments with powerful psychoactive substances 
that alter perception and mood and affect numerous cognitive processes

Sounds about right to me. Groovy baby!
On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 10:43:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>
> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
> to arrive.
>
> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>
> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
> Little Platy. 
>
> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken on 
> Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I put 
> fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>
> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had rainbow 
> hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the colors? 
> I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I had my 
> Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for grips, I 
> found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil slick 
> everywhere I could get it. 
>
> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>
> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
> She understood the assignment. 
>
> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>
> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>
> Please find my video link below.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>

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[RBW] Re: The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[MoVelo]

Bill

Fantastic bike! Congratulations! I hope it is all that you wanted it to be. 
It certainly has been fun following your postings and I hope that you 
continue to share your particular thoughts, skills and musings with us in 
the future.

I've a couple of questions for you.

1) I'm curious about your choosing to mount 700 x 32s on a frame that is 
definitely capable of wider tires. I understand your desire to keep the 
bike fendered but still I wonder. I own a Legolas (I understand that you 
spec'd the Legolas fork) on which I am able to run Rene Herse 700x44s. They 
are admittedly a tight fit and would not work with fenders, but I am sure a 
38 or 35 would. I was pleasantly surprised when I mounted them and they 
fit. This has now become my defacto allrounder. Some of the RH tires I have 
run narrow for me and in fact the supposed 44s measure out to 41.8mm. Other 
RH's I use include 650x42 which measure closer to 38mm width.

2)Related to above, I'm curious about your specing cantilever brakes as 
opposed to dual pivot or center pulls, both of which, in my experience will 
clear 42mm wide tires without deflation. The RH cantilevers are elegantly 
beautiful and if you wanted to use them for no other reasons I totally 
understand. 

Please continue to keep the flame alive Bill, cause now I know that pink is 
not only the lightest color but might in fact prove to be faster than 
orange.

Respectfully yours with wonder, amazement and pride at your musings

James Poulson
from the heartland

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 7:31:40 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> What a build Bill. 
>
> I said to Leah when she was considering the plunge for some bespoke bits 
> that as you ride more, your experiences forge preferences for particular 
> bike pieces and components. Each part that stands above discrete makes the 
> bike you build or upgrade embody those stories and are a record of your 
> riding like a scrapbook. Those who don't understand won't notice. Those who 
> do will appreciate the richness of detail and see quite a story narrated 
> here.
>
> I get it!
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 11:27:37 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>
>> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  Legolas 
>> fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>>
>> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
>> tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>>
>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm bottom 
>> bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R Der, Down 
>> tube shifters.  KMC chain
>>
>> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing. 
>>  Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
>> (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle
>>
>> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene Herse 
>> pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>>
>> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[MoVelo]

I've been running my blue Ram with 650bx42 with fenders and can agree with 
Michael that it is a sublime ride. Very stable and comfy. Good on gravel 
and multi-use paths. Not super fast but reasonable. Plus P50 fenders fit 
well with great coverable.

I am running a 650bx48 on the front with plenty of room, I believe i'd have 
to further dimple the chain stays to fit that on the rear. I don't like 
what the fatter tire up front did to the handling so I'm thinking I'll 
switch it back to the 42. 

I was able to run 700x35's without fenders but had to retreat to 32's to 
fit the fenders in there.

Michael-I am curious what the true width of those Switchback Hill tires is. 
My experience with RH 650b's is that they seem to run narrow but that could 
be the A23 rims.

James Poulson
Missouri

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:38:09 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I'll chime in here that my 650b'd Ram is one of my favorite riding bikes 
> in the stable. I always want to max out tire width as much as possible and 
> was disappointed that 700x35 tires with fenders didn't fit. I had a 650b 
> wheelset and tried 650bx42 and that fit great with room to spare. I've been 
> riding that configuration for a few months now.
>
> It looked like room enough to go one tire size higher (sans fenders). 
> Thanks to a fellow lister I had some 650bx48 Rene Herse Switchback Hill 
> Tires waiting for me at home yesterday after a long weekend away. This 
> morning I swapped em out and they seem to fit just fine. Super excited to 
> try this out later this week! 
>
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 5:49:36 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Alex, your modified Ram is outstanding.  Probably the most nicest, 
>> modified Rivendell I've ever seen.
>>
>> This whole thread inspired me to wrap up a few things on my own 650b 
>> conversion project, an RB-1, and to ride my Ram one last time this 
>> weekend.  (It's supposed to start snowing this weekend, so season's over 
>> I'm affraid).
>>
>> Interesting thing about the Ram, that strikes me every time, is how 
>> comfortable or "plush" it feels, despite only having 33.33 tires.  I don't 
>> understand why.  When it was new, it made "normal" road bikes, with 23 to 
>> 28mm tires look positively silly.  As the rest of the industry has caught 
>> up and embraced fatter tires, the Ram now "looks' outdated next to a lot of 
>> other, newer bikes I saw.  My own tendency is almost always to choose 
>> something with fatter tires, too.  But as I said, I'm struck every time by 
>> how well it rides and how relevant it still is.  I don’t think I'll ever 
>> sell it, even if I have to be "prompted" to ride it once in a while.  I 
>> think if I ever felt differently, I'd now consider Alex's example.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:38:16 AM UTC-6 Applegate wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max,
>>>
>>> I sort of love this dilemma. As much as my platonic ideal of a bike has 
>>> been shaped by Jan Heine, featuring skinny, thin-wall tubing and a flat top 
>>> tube, I will definitely back a 650b Ram. I would wholeheartedly recommend 
>>> MAFAC Raids (or go all-in with the Compass/Rene Herse updates). I have a 
>>> couple pairs of Raids I'm reconditioning with brass bushings/washers and 
>>> could probably ship one your way for a reasonable fare. Not the point of me 
>>> posting though.
>>>
>>> I had a V1 XL Canti Bolt for 14 months, using it for randonneuring as 
>>> well as some gravel rides and mixed terrains touring (with smallish front 
>>> panniers on a lowrider rack). It was nice to look at and often felt great, 
>>> but it never really fit me (too long of top tube, seemingly resolved in 
>>> current geometry). I think I put just over 4k miles on it in that timespan, 
>>> which is probably the fastest mileage rate of any of my bikes to date.
>>>
>>> However, I also got a 62 (so 60 C–C, as it would happen) Rambouillet 
>>> about the same time, and the connection felt deeper, sooner. It was 
>>> stripped to the bare steel and was sporting an eccentric genius 650b build, 
>>> courtesy of @shredportals Lyle. I rode it as a be-basketed commuter and 
>>> overnighter, and knew the fit and ride quality was something I wanted to 
>>> hold onto. I asked Erik Billings for a small litany of BQ-rando-style frame 
>>> modifications (fork re-rake and all), and got new paint and decals from 
>>> Rick Stefani. It's now replaced my Crust Canti Lightning Bolt as my 
>>> midcentury French cosplay randonneuring bike, and I was very happy with the 
>>> more upright fit when I rode it for Paris–Brest–Paris.
>>>
>>> This is all subjective and fit-oriented, etc, but I support trying a 
>>> 650b conversion on your Ram first. It might just be the ticket for great 
>>> joy; if nothing else, then you have a 650b wheelset for your next bike? The 
>>> most ideal is if you could *somehow* have both built up and in your 
>>> possession at the same time, for some fun back-to-back testing.
>>>
>>> Anyway, here are some pics. Yes, I re-sold 

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[MoVelo]

I've owned both the Ram and Rawland Nordavinden. I sold the Rawland and 
still have the Ram. The Rawland was nice but the Ram is soo much nicer 
in every way. 

Just my humble opinion

James Poulson


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 5:33:31 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> So it appears Max the Rawland is actually 59cm, center to top, 57.5mm 
> center to center. So it's just shy of your Ram. Not an issue. I compared 
> the two and if someone asked me if it's a suitable fit based on their 
> comparable Ram size, I'd have to say yes. 
>
> The Ram is a mere 13mm higher in stack height, center of the BB to the 
> horizontal center-top of the head tube. 
> The reach is within 3mm, so negligible . 
> The Rawland has a 1/2 degree steeper seat tube angle, which accounts for 
> like 6-7mm more forward placement of the top center of the seat tube in 
> relation to the center BB, but I recall you don't have your saddles slammed 
> all the way back so you have plenty of room on the rails. 
>
> Head tube angles are the same 73d and the upsloping TT is within 1/2d. 
> BB drop is within 2mm. 
> The Rawland link says it's 35mm max tire, 700c. That's a perfectly "fat" 
> road tire. 
> The trail though is only 29mm, that's 70mm of fork rake ! Wow. 
>
>  
> https://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html
>
> Bikeinsights doesn't have images for the two frames, but the numbers alone 
> tells the story. 
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5c1bfbe96aaa140017a7c684,5c55ee6e40d7a00017e4e2d

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

[MoVelo]

Same as Rich and Toshi here. My blue 58 Rambo fits 700x32 with fenders and 
700x35 without, but like Toshi I love the bike with 650bx42s and fenders. 

JP

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:16:09 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hi. Not clear how the Tektro R539s give more clearance than, say, Shimano 
> R-600 brakes. Or were you talking about other Shimano brakes?
>
> Dave, who has R-600s on his Rambouillet but is always looking for more 
> tire space 
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention: I upgraded to the Tektro R539 brakes on my bike which 
>> help alot.  Wife's still has the stock Shmano brakes.  I'm not sure why Riv 
>> doesn't still sell the Tektros.  I thougth that, like the R559, they were 
>> their own design.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:28:04 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> It changed a little over time, with the later  ones having a bit more 
>>> clearance than the first-run orange ones.   I think the green ones were the 
>>> last (?) so, presumably, they have at least as good as the blue ones.
>>> Additionally, my own experience tells me that there is a bit of 
>>> difference between the 700c and 559 wheel size frames.
>>>
>>> My 60 cm / 700c 2006 blue one has 33.33 jack browns and sks (esge) 
>>> fenders with plenty of clearance.  That's the most I could do though, and 
>>> the brakes are the limiting factor.  As the literature at the time 
>>> suggested, I think it would fit a 37 mm without a fender
>>>
>>> My wife has a same-year 50 cm / 559 frame and it would have a little 
>>> less clearance because the rear brake bridge is installed sliightly lower 
>>> relative to the rim.  She's happy with a 1" (28mm) tire and no fenders 
>>> though.   It might fit a 32mm.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:07:58 AM UTC-6 cdres...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know this has been covered before but still not quite sure what the 
 max tire size is for a Rambouillet. Mine is a 2003 and right now I run 
 700x25 with plastic fenders. When I replace those tires with larger ones 
 but it looks pretty tight to go no more than a 28. Herse has the Chinook 
 (28) and the Cayuse Pass (26).

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Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

[MoVelo]

Congratulations! That looks wonderful! Thanks for sharing.

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:08:55 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> Congrats! Great build and it looks so comfortable. Looking forward to see 
> some photos of it out and about.
>
> -Dave
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:21 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks great! Can’t wait to see some more trail pictures and hear more 
>> about how you’d compare it with the Clem!
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> That looks awesome! Congrats! 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[MoVelo]

No relation to me.

https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/


JP

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:

> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? Either 
> the archetype or TB14.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
>> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or so. 
>> Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra B17 
>> after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
>> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
>> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure about 
>> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards a 
>> matching Huret but TBD. 
>>
>> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, too. 
>> 臘‍♂️
>>
>> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
>> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those Duprats 
>> are STUNNING. 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
 Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like components 
 and a worthy frame.

 On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever made, 
> IMHO.
>

>>> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is an 
>>> aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). But let's 
>>> take this idea further. What *other *components would all y'all choose 
>>> to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, cranks, pedals, 
>>> brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, racks, cages, luggage, 
>>> bells, lights?
>>>
>>> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as superlative 
>>> performance.
>>> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or perhaps a 
>>> NOS Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a rechromed, 2022 1937 
>>> SA TC hub looks PDG too.
>>> Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and strength, 
>>> very informally determined, so I can't say which are prettiest.)
>>> Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 300. But 
>>> really, though, the prettiest cranksets of all time bar none are some of 
>>> the best cottered steel cranks: ethereally slender, with a shine only 
>>> chrome can give. The lightest were lighther than some aluminum "cotterless" 
>>> cranks.
>>> Brakes: I use Paul's for practical reasons and the polished silvers are 
>>> nice but I can't say that they're the prettiest.
>>> Pedals: ?? I use XTRs and XTs and Dura Ace SPDs and M540s but these are 
>>> not exactly pretty.
>>> Levers: ? I like the Dura Ace BL 7401.
>>> Seatpost: DA 7410.
>>> Bar: Rene Herse polished Nitto.
>>> Saddle: ?
>>> Cages: The Nitto one is prettiest but I gave up after 2 broke on me and 
>>> sought solace in the uglier but still presentable and far, far stronger 
>>> (and much cheaper) King Iris.
>>> Racks: I don't use them, but I'd have to say Nitto for looks. I use 
>>> customs or Tubus for practical.
>>> Luggage: Rivendell post-Cartwright, but no g-damned tweed.
>>> Bells: ? Spurcycle? I use these, but they're not shiny.
>>> Lights: Edeluxe.
>>>
>>> Bad photo but best I could find of Duprat hollow-arm steel cottered 
>>> crank:
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[MoVelo]

Eric, beautiful build. looks like you had fun with that one!

Greg, very nice restoration.

James P
mid-nebraska

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 8:45:38 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:06:27 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> Wow - labor of love! So much attention to detail. I love seeing people 
> pour time and money into something with no expectation for "getting their 
> money out of it" at the end. 
>
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> Milwaukee WI USA  
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[MoVelo]

Max & Mike - those are both very nice. Orange is the fastest color!

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:14:19 AM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> Beautiful bike Michael, congrats! 
>
> I must say I felt a bit of deja vu because I also recently bought a 60 Ram 
> frame on ebay and I just finished building up. I used all the components 
> from my custom road (which I sold last year) which were also inherited from 
> other builds.
>
> I love this: "rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no 
> destination in mind" - I have similar hopes for mine.
>
> This is the first bike I've built myself from the frame up, but I feel 
> like I cheated because most of the components from the custom just worked, 
> ie. bottom bracket, chain length, etc... otherwise those might have tricked 
> me up. There is still life in my jack browns, but I can't wait to try some 
> RH tires on it, I will stay with 32mm ish tires though, they feel fast and 
> I have other bikes with wider tires for other types of riding.
>
> I still have to figure out a better / more elegant solution for the 
> downtube bosses, I just didn't use ferrules because they didn't fit but 
> there must be something I'm missing - the shifting is fine though. I 
> ordered new 4mm ferrules (I think that's what Garth suggested on my other 
> thread) to see if that'll do it.
>
> The sad part is that I got sick right after building it, so I haven't 
> ridden it more than around the block. My first impression is that I want a 
> longer stem, we'll see. I hope the temperatures don't drop too fast so I 
> can ride before winter gets bad in Boston.
>
> [image: IMG_8925.jpeg]
> *The saddle isn't tilted up as much anymore and the handlebars came down a 
> bit.
>
> Max
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:40:49 AM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Very nice bike, I also am a big fan of Nitto’s lugged seatpost and stem. 
>> Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:19 AM Michael Ullmer  wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
>>> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
>>> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
>>> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
>>> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
>>> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
>>> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
>>> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
>>> my 650b Rando Fitz. 
>>>
>>> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache 
>>> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in 
>>> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires 
>>> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think 
>>> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, 
>>> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used 
>>> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver 
>>> Shifters on here.
>>>
>>> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
>>> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
>>> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
>>> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>>>
>>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[MoVelo]

avel with 
> some occasional off-road/underbiking, but nothing technical aside from a 
> ridiculously short stretch in the local park system which has actually been 
> the single downside of the Clem (it's sheer size has made navigating the 
> handful of tight spots on the short strip of single track a challenge 
> compared to my old 26" rigid MTB and short-lived hardtail/full suspension 
> experiments.)
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:19:52 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You had the stiffness of the steerer as your "quill", plus there was less 
>> quill effect as your stem/bars were lower. You're probably feeling the flex 
>> of that new taller and less stiff stem. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 10:07:09 AM UTC-8 MoVelo wrote:
>>
>>> I find this topic very interesting. Hope you don't mind if I indulge 
>>> myself here a bit and solicit an opinion or three.
>>>
>>> While I love both the Legolas and Rambouillet, I purchased the Ram first 
>>> as a used frame, due to the high praise it received on this and other 
>>> forums. I've had it for over 10 years now and have not grown tired of it's 
>>> utility, comfort and looks. It's a bike I can ride all day and not feel 
>>> abused in any way and is well suited to the type of rides I most often do. 
>>> It's not the lightest steel bike I own but it is probably my favorite and 
>>> the one I most often ride. Even tho the weight of the frame is not much of 
>>> a consideration for this audience; it seems to me that it could be one 
>>> metric of an informed  opinion, and while it won't divulge the tubing spec, 
>>> it might give a slight clue. Remarkably I neglected to weigh the frame when 
>>> I acquired it and simply put it together and rode it. I guess I was 
>>> probably excited to have it in hand. Anyway, it needs to undergo a cleaning 
>>> and inspection this winter and so I'll put it on the scale and have that 
>>> information for consideration.
>>>
>>> When I saw a very lightly used Legolas come up for sale, given it's 
>>> unicorn like aura, I jumped on it. Figuring I'd give it a try and probably 
>>> get my money back if it failed me.  It is a different bike than the Ram in 
>>> many respects, geometry being one. I suspect the tubing spec'd is quite 
>>> different too, but I have no knowledge of how or in what way. When it came 
>>> to me it had a non-threaded steer tube. This prevented me from being able 
>>> to easily raise the bars to a desirable height. I know there are extenders 
>>> I could have used, but being the vain cyclist I am I resisted. So for 
>>> several years I rode the bike and always felt it was 'stiff'. Comparing it 
>>> to the other steel bikes I owned, rode and enjoyed, I was perplexed at why 
>>> it felt so stiff and unyielding. I just assumed it being mainly intended as 
>>> a cross racer, it gave up the some on the comfort side of the equation. 
>>> This year I finally decided to have the steerer threaded, and found myself 
>>> amazed at what that little difference made in the bikes riding 
>>> characteristics. Legolas is a happy, repsonsive elf now, and less of the 
>>> stern unyielding elf it was before. I have to ask myself, and you if you've 
>>> managed to hang on this long, how can something as simple as this change 
>>> make such a difference? 
>>>
>>> The bars on the Legolas are a bit higher now and level with the seat as 
>>> with all the rest of my bikes. The threaded steerer obviously allows the 
>>> bars to easily be raised to a better position with (in my opinion) a much 
>>> better looking stem. 
>>>
>>> Has the flexibility of the gooseneck stem really changed the feel of the 
>>> bike? Does the bike actually ride better or is my mind convincing me that 
>>> because it looks better it rides better? 
>>>
>>> J 'inquisitive on a cold December morning' P
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:14:48 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I don't own any Riv road bike I was reading the commentary about 
>>>> the Legolas having notably less drop than the usual road Riv. The Legolas 
>>>> is/was sorta presented as a 'Cross frame, yes ? Cross frame implying a 
>>>> higher BB, neutral handling and cantilever brakes. My custom Franklin is 
>>>> rather like that, about 70mm drop, cantilever brakes, 45.5cm stays, 
>>>> neutral 
>>>> han

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[MoVelo]

I find this topic very interesting. Hope you don't mind if I indulge myself 
here a bit and solicit an opinion or three.

While I love both the Legolas and Rambouillet, I purchased the Ram first as 
a used frame, due to the high praise it received on this and other forums. 
I've had it for over 10 years now and have not grown tired of it's utility, 
comfort and looks. It's a bike I can ride all day and not feel abused in 
any way and is well suited to the type of rides I most often do. It's not 
the lightest steel bike I own but it is probably my favorite and the one I 
most often ride. Even tho the weight of the frame is not much of a 
consideration for this audience; it seems to me that it could be one metric 
of an informed  opinion, and while it won't divulge the tubing spec, it 
might give a slight clue. Remarkably I neglected to weigh the frame when I 
acquired it and simply put it together and rode it. I guess I was probably 
excited to have it in hand. Anyway, it needs to undergo a cleaning and 
inspection this winter and so I'll put it on the scale and have that 
information for consideration.

When I saw a very lightly used Legolas come up for sale, given it's unicorn 
like aura, I jumped on it. Figuring I'd give it a try and probably get my 
money back if it failed me.  It is a different bike than the Ram in many 
respects, geometry being one. I suspect the tubing spec'd is quite 
different too, but I have no knowledge of how or in what way. When it came 
to me it had a non-threaded steer tube. This prevented me from being able 
to easily raise the bars to a desirable height. I know there are extenders 
I could have used, but being the vain cyclist I am I resisted. So for 
several years I rode the bike and always felt it was 'stiff'. Comparing it 
to the other steel bikes I owned, rode and enjoyed, I was perplexed at why 
it felt so stiff and unyielding. I just assumed it being mainly intended as 
a cross racer, it gave up the some on the comfort side of the equation. 
This year I finally decided to have the steerer threaded, and found myself 
amazed at what that little difference made in the bikes riding 
characteristics. Legolas is a happy, repsonsive elf now, and less of the 
stern unyielding elf it was before. I have to ask myself, and you if you've 
managed to hang on this long, how can something as simple as this change 
make such a difference? 

The bars on the Legolas are a bit higher now and level with the seat as 
with all the rest of my bikes. The threaded steerer obviously allows the 
bars to easily be raised to a better position with (in my opinion) a much 
better looking stem. 

Has the flexibility of the gooseneck stem really changed the feel of the 
bike? Does the bike actually ride better or is my mind convincing me that 
because it looks better it rides better? 

J 'inquisitive on a cold December morning' P


On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:14:48 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> While I don't own any Riv road bike I was reading the commentary about the 
> Legolas having notably less drop than the usual road Riv. The Legolas 
> is/was sorta presented as a 'Cross frame, yes ? Cross frame implying a 
> higher BB, neutral handling and cantilever brakes. My custom Franklin is 
> rather like that, about 70mm drop, cantilever brakes, 45.5cm stays, neutral 
> handling. My only other currently ridden bike is a Bombadil with it's 80mm 
> drop and noticeable wheel flop, and that to me, still feels odd especially 
> when I first get on it after riding the Franklin. Cornering high speed on 
> twisty turns is also weird, where the Franklin is absolutely thrilling in 
> it's ability to corner high speed and respond with ease to the most subtle 
> of bodily inputs, be it from upper or lower body. What could be considered 
> "twitch-a-bility" I liken as magi-bility in that it responds with precision 
> to every nuance of the body instantly with ease. Like riding a horse that 
> loves to run Wild and Free. There's no "auto-correct" resistance like I 
> feel on my Bombadil, which I get the intention in theory, but in 
> practicality I'd rather have thrilling/responsive than safe/resistant every 
> day of the week. With "safe" comes restrictions and limitations, in the 
> "human non-sensical way". The thing is such doesn't "make" one safe anymore 
> than "unsafe" without them. 
>
> I have an affinity with racing frames, European ones mostly, save a Fuji 
> which was my first. So that surely colors the angle of this story.They all 
> have that thrilling quality of ease of line changing and maneuverability 
> which is required when riding in a ever moving group of riders and road 
> furniture. 
>
> The Legolas frame as it is doesn't fit me though as it's much too short in 
> reach, as are most Rivs. So while I have no direct experience with it, I 
> love a good a story  and who doesn't ? !  
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:31:14 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:
>
>> Jim, thank you for your message! It 

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[MoVelo]

I see I hit the send button prematurely. The Ram BB drop is listed as 77mm 
not the 70mm I mistakenly wrote in the previous post.

JP

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:

> Patrick Moore asked these questions, and since I own both a Ram and 
> Legolas I will attempt to answer them. Be forewarned I am not the best 
> writer, nor do I believe I am the best at describing the subtleties of 
> various different bikes (ie handling, ride and so forth).
>
>  "planing"? -- to the Roadeo or to the Rambouillet, or to the old Road 
> Standard or to an older Road Custom?>
>
> The short answers is that my Ram has a lower bottom bracket (7mm) which 
> seems a small increment but does make the Ram handle a bet less twitchier 
> than the Legolas. I will say I was looking to move the Legolas along until 
> I found someone to thread the steerer tube for me. Evidently the flex the 
> cockpit now possesses now makes the bike much more comfortable yet still 
> comparatively twitcher , or more subject to minute steering inputs, which 
> perhaps can be attributed to the one degree steeper seat tube angle? 
>
> I currently have my Ram set up 650b which allows me to run a true 42mm 
> width which works well for the loose river run gravel the local road 
> department folks like to slather about. 
> I have no peddle strike issues with the Ram with the 650b conversion, but 
> I will say that I do not peddle thru corners.
>
>  handling or feel?>
>
> Yes, the Legolas BB drop is 70mm whilst the Rambouillet BB drop is 70mm. 
> In my opinion this does make the Ram feel more stable but slower. The 
> Legolas has .5mm longer chain stays than the Ram which should theoretically 
> make it a bit more stable. 
>
> The head tube angle is the same for the two sizes  have. 59cm for the 
> Legolas, 58cm for the Ram. 
>
> What I don't know is the weight difference. The Legolas seems lighter to 
> me yet stiffer, or less 'planey', but I'm sure the tires make a bigger 
> difference in that regard.
>
>
> 
>
> I am experimenting with this and currently run a Gravel King 43mm up front 
>  which is a true 43mm; and a Soma Vitesse 42mm in the back which is 
> actually 40mm width. looks like I could squeeze a true 42mm in there if I 
> could find one. I see on Rene Herse website they say 44mm is in actuality a 
> 42mm on the type of rims I have. I'm not sure the extra 2mm in width back 
> there is worth it tho. I am running these with tubes and OS (thanks for the 
> huge tip on that), but might experiment with tubeless when the weather 
> becomes more agreeable.
>
> Both bikes I would consider all-rounders. The Ram with the 42mm width tire 
> is a great gravel/country road bike. I am currently running Panaracer 
> Pari-motos which I love. I have the ability to easily change the wheels by 
> sliding the Tektro 559's to the top of the slot for 700c and the bottom of 
> the slot for 650b. I know a lot of folks on this list do not like the 559s 
> breaking feel or strength but I have no complaints. I will say tho that I 
> live in the flatlands and do not have miles long descents to contend with.
>
> The Legolas now with the handlebar makeover and my testing with wider 
> tires is becoming more lovable. With 35mm or 38mm it is a go fast road 
> bike, with the 42mm tires it is a very capable gravel/dirt/country road 
> bike. 
>
> Let me know if you have more questions. I posted pics of both bikes a few 
> days back in this thread if you want to see them.
>
> I apologize that this has gotten a bit long winded and so to quote Twain 
> "it would be a lot short if I had more time".
>
>  Cheers
> James P
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick, my Platypus has got 43c Gravel King SS ＋ SKS fender and there 
>> is still some space but I don't think it's possible to have 50mm tires.
>> I can see that this "what's for 2nd Rivendell" question could be "which 
>> bike can be most practical" and the answer would be different for each one 
>> of us. And it's really interesting for me to know the different answers!
>>
>> Masa
>>
>> 2022年12月11日日曜日 16:13:21 UTC+9 Patrick Moore:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>> > Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if 
>>> you could own.
>>>
>>> > Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind 
>>> of roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>>
>>> > I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it 
>>> everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I j

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[MoVelo]

Patrick Moore asked these questions, and since I own both a Ram and Legolas 
I will attempt to answer them. Be forewarned I am not the best writer, nor 
do I believe I am the best at describing the subtleties of various 
different bikes (ie handling, ride and so forth).



The short answers is that my Ram has a lower bottom bracket (7mm) which 
seems a small increment but does make the Ram handle a bet less twitchier 
than the Legolas. I will say I was looking to move the Legolas along until 
I found someone to thread the steerer tube for me. Evidently the flex the 
cockpit now possesses now makes the bike much more comfortable yet still 
comparatively twitcher , or more subject to minute steering inputs, which 
perhaps can be attributed to the one degree steeper seat tube angle? 

I currently have my Ram set up 650b which allows me to run a true 42mm 
width which works well for the loose river run gravel the local road 
department folks like to slather about. 
I have no peddle strike issues with the Ram with the 650b conversion, but I 
will say that I do not peddle thru corners.



Yes, the Legolas BB drop is 70mm whilst the Rambouillet BB drop is 70mm. In 
my opinion this does make the Ram feel more stable but slower. The Legolas 
has .5mm longer chain stays than the Ram which should theoretically make it 
a bit more stable. 

The head tube angle is the same for the two sizes  have. 59cm for the 
Legolas, 58cm for the Ram. 

What I don't know is the weight difference. The Legolas seems lighter to me 
yet stiffer, or less 'planey', but I'm sure the tires make a bigger 
difference in that regard.



I am experimenting with this and currently run a Gravel King 43mm up front 
 which is a true 43mm; and a Soma Vitesse 42mm in the back which is 
actually 40mm width. looks like I could squeeze a true 42mm in there if I 
could find one. I see on Rene Herse website they say 44mm is in actuality a 
42mm on the type of rims I have. I'm not sure the extra 2mm in width back 
there is worth it tho. I am running these with tubes and OS (thanks for the 
huge tip on that), but might experiment with tubeless when the weather 
becomes more agreeable.

Both bikes I would consider all-rounders. The Ram with the 42mm width tire 
is a great gravel/country road bike. I am currently running Panaracer 
Pari-motos which I love. I have the ability to easily change the wheels by 
sliding the Tektro 559's to the top of the slot for 700c and the bottom of 
the slot for 650b. I know a lot of folks on this list do not like the 559s 
breaking feel or strength but I have no complaints. I will say tho that I 
live in the flatlands and do not have miles long descents to contend with.

The Legolas now with the handlebar makeover and my testing with wider tires 
is becoming more lovable. With 35mm or 38mm it is a go fast road bike, with 
the 42mm tires it is a very capable gravel/dirt/country road bike. 

Let me know if you have more questions. I posted pics of both bikes a few 
days back in this thread if you want to see them.

I apologize that this has gotten a bit long winded and so to quote Twain 
"it would be a lot short if I had more time".

 Cheers
James P



On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi Patrick, my Platypus has got 43c Gravel King SS ＋ SKS fender and there 
> is still some space but I don't think it's possible to have 50mm tires.
> I can see that this "what's for 2nd Rivendell" question could be "which 
> bike can be most practical" and the answer would be different for each one 
> of us. And it's really interesting for me to know the different answers!
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月11日日曜日 16:13:21 UTC+9 Patrick Moore:
>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>> > Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if 
>> you could own.
>>
>> > Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>
>> > I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it 
>> everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would 
>> like to know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs 
>> already as a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>
>> > I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>
>> > Masa
>>
>> For me it's easy: a gofast road bike (to make up for my slowness) and a 
>> very similar model but built for all rounder -- pavement + light dirt 
>> -- and errand riding. So perhaps a Roadeo and a Legolas or perhaps a repeat 
>> of my 1999 custom and another one that can take 42s and fenders.
>>
>> If Clems and Platypuses or Atlantises (note proper English plurals) could 
>> fit 50 mm tires and fenders I'd sneak in a second #2 for more dirt biased 
>> riding. Anything under 50 mm is no good for our sand, and even 50 is too 
>> hard and skinny.
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[MoVelo]

Excellent report. Thanks for sharing with us what sounds like an epic 
adventure.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-6 alancrai...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect accommodations 
> for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! 
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm 
>> going or for how long! 
>>
>> I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at an 
>> unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite 
>> thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
>> water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but 
>> another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't 
>> like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind 
>> stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. 
>>
>> I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was 
>> burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, 
>> something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and 
>> pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me right). 
>>
>> The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight 
>> but it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like 
>> some. 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!
>>
>>
>> I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're 
>>> pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive tho, 
>>> it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm 
>>> tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on 
>>> overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a 
>>> recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that 
>>> helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in 
>>> the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time 
>>> paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot to 
>>> "stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit 
>>> busts some water drinking 
>>> myths and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be 
>>> helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage 
>>> to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my 
>>> bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up 
>>> front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, 
>>> maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with 
>>> the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next 
>>> season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 

 It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck 
 it out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But 
 here in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 

 On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Hey Eric,
>
> Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous 
> day ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. 
> Having all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last 
> year 
> taking my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily 
> mileage based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food 
> and shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>>
>> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for 
>> anything more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the 
>> handling but I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times 
>> while 
>> climbing when I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and 
>> ended 
>> up kinda tipping over, no big deal. 
>>
>> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've 
>> attached a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a 
>> lot. I'd also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my 
>> saddle but couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around 
>> for 
>> a bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[MoVelo]

@Jon-the clearance for true 650x42s is about 3mm. I say true because my 
experience with three different brands has yielded two different widths. 
Rene Herse 650x42s actually measure 40mm in width while both Panaracer Pari 
Motos and Gravel Kings measure a true 42mm, all on Velocity A23's. 

Obviously the Rene Herse will give you close to 5mm clearance which to many 
is better. I prefer the 5 mm clearance myself but really like the 
Pari-Motos. I currently am running the Herse's on another bike, and since 
the clearance issues are with the chain stays and not the front fork, I may 
trying running the Pari-Motos on the front of both bikes and the Horses on 
the rear. 

You would not expect a 2mm width difference to matter much but it does add 
just a bit extra cush and on gravel adds additional stability and 
confidence.

Also, a part of the discussion for your consideration should be brakes. 
There has been a lot of discussion on this, bob and 650b groups about the 
lack of stopping power of Tektro 559s, particularly when the brake shoes 
are at the end of the slot as is required for 650b conversion. I have not 
personally experienced lack of stopping power. I try to avoid riding in the 
rain, do not have long decents and perhaps my big mitts are strong enough 
to compensate for the lack of leverage. YMMV.



On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:32:05 AM UTC-5 Will M wrote:

> @Jon: I see you've had some good info about maximum fender/tire 
> clearances. For what it's worth, I ran my Ram 
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/36185050466/in/album-72157626161174071/>
>  
> 100% on paved roads with the standard Rivendell Roll-y Pol-y 700x28c tires 
> and SKS P35 fenders (which max out at 28mm tires?).  Worked great with 
> Ultegra side-pull brakes.
>
> Will M
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:03:55 PM UTC-4 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> JP - I have wondered about having this setup as a 650b ride.  To hear how 
>> you made this a convertible is very intriguing!  I have mostly race type 
>> road bikes and am moving into a more useful all-round bike as I have had 
>> too many injuries.
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: MoVelo  
>> Date: 10/20/22 1:52 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>>
>> Im running 50mm SKS plastic fenders on my Ramboulliet when it's in fender 
>> mode. I switch back and forth between 700x32s and 650Bx42s so it's good to 
>> have a fender wide enough for both of those.
>>
>> It works really well given the location of the brake bridge in back and 
>> fork crown in front. Using Tektro 559s I simply slide the brake shoes to 
>> the bottom of the slot for 650B and then at the top of the slot for 700c. I 
>> did have to file the rear brake slot a bit to get the brake shoe low 
>> enough. 
>>
>> It's almost as simple and operation as with disc brakes. Takes me maybe 
>> 20 mins to make the switch.
>>
>> I can't think of a more versatile bike than this Rambo.
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 1:27:47 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I finally settled on RH stampede Pass tires on Velocity Synergy rims 
>>> under Honjo H-45 fenders and Paul center mount Racer brakes. Been riding 
>>> that Rambouillet on all roads that way for years. 
>>> Fendered '02 Rambouillet on 700x32 
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7aUx9ZUx1iGtgsCM9>
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 8:20:13 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> IF you can get those wider fenders inside those brakes. My memory of 
>>>> messing with this on my Romulus is pretty vague now but it wasn't the 
>>>> easiest project I've ever embarked on. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:28:22 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Peter!  
>>>>>
>>>>> Appreciate everyone's help and advice.  Looks like 28 or maybe 30s if 
>>>>> they are true to size and 41 to 45mm fenders should work.  Guess the Jack 
>>>>> Browns are nice weather gravel for the Ram.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Peter White  
>>>>> Date: 10/18/22 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>>>>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm firmly in Joe's camp.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Challenge Paris Roubaix tires on my Rambouillet. They are 
>>>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[MoVelo]

Im running 50mm SKS plastic fenders on my Ramboulliet when it's in fender 
mode. I switch back and forth between 700x32s and 650Bx42s so it's good to 
have a fender wide enough for both of those.

It works really well given the location of the brake bridge in back and 
fork crown in front. Using Tektro 559s I simply slide the brake shoes to 
the bottom of the slot for 650B and then at the top of the slot for 700c. I 
did have to file the rear brake slot a bit to get the brake shoe low 
enough. 

It's almost as simple and operation as with disc brakes. Takes me maybe 20 
mins to make the switch.

I can't think of a more versatile bike than this Rambo.

JP

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 1:27:47 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I finally settled on RH stampede Pass tires on Velocity Synergy rims under 
> Honjo H-45 fenders and Paul center mount Racer brakes. Been riding that 
> Rambouillet on all roads that way for years. 
> Fendered '02 Rambouillet on 700x32 
> 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 8:20:13 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> IF you can get those wider fenders inside those brakes. My memory of 
>> messing with this on my Romulus is pretty vague now but it wasn't the 
>> easiest project I've ever embarked on. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:28:22 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Peter!  
>>>
>>> Appreciate everyone's help and advice.  Looks like 28 or maybe 30s if 
>>> they are true to size and 41 to 45mm fenders should work.  Guess the Jack 
>>> Browns are nice weather gravel for the Ram.
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Peter White  
>>> Date: 10/18/22 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>>>
>>> I'm firmly in Joe's camp.
>>>
>>> I use Challenge Paris Roubaix tires on my Rambouillet. They are labelled 
>>> 27mm but measure 29.5mm. My fenders are Berthoud carbon fiber, only 25mm 
>>> wide, but then this is my good weather bike. I would not recommend anything 
>>> wider than these tires with any fender on the Rambouillet. 33.3mm would be 
>>> very dangerous, in my opinion. If this were my bad weather bike, I'd be 
>>> using the same tires but with the 41mm Stronglight anodized aluminum 
>>> fenders.
>>>
>>> Peter Jon White
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 2:10 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Jon, 

 You would probably need wider fenders for 33.3 and I'm not comfortable 
 recommending it. These frames weren't designed for a fender/tire 
 combination like that and the minimal  clearance is begging for a 
 bike-stopping branch to get stuck in there. 

 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 5:17:52 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:

> Thanks Joe!  The description says for 20-28c tires, however I run the 
> 33.3 Jack Bs, do I need a wider set of fenders?
>
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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[MoVelo]

My Rambo is currently running Panaracer Pari-Motos 650bx42's actual width 
on Velocity A23's. I love these tires on this bike and it has become my 
gravel/all-rounder. I have the Tektro 559's set so I can easily switch over 
to 700c and usually run 35mm in that size. Although it will take 38 the 
fender clearance gets a little sketchy.

On the Legolas I am currently running RH 700cx38's although I have found 
35's feel a bit firmer with better handling. I do like the cush of the 
fatter rubber.

My two Bridgestone MB's are running RH Rat Trap Pass 26x2" which I love on 
the loose gravel we have around here. They are a bit narrow erthan the 
stated width but still super comfy and confidence inspiring.

The Bridgestone T700 is currently running Panaracer Gravel Kings in 700cx38 
and will fit fenders. 

My Paramount is currently running 700cx35's but I am still trying to decide 
if 32's are a better fit for that bike.

I have a Kona Kapu with 650bx42 RH Baby Shoe Pass' which barely measure out 
to 40mm on Grand Bois rims.

I mainly go for comfort over speed these days. So the wider the better.

James Poulson
Centralish NE

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm a light rider and have run Rene Herse tires in 26, 28, 32, 35, 38 and 
> 48mm widths over the same terrain which is mostly paved roads. Starting at 
> either end of the spectrum, the 26's felt like ice-skating in the best 
> scenario but would flat if I even looked at a gravel road. I wasn't willing 
> to pump them up past 80psi to avoid flats so those got the boot pretty 
> fast. The 48's on the other hand were what I'd call idiot-proof. I would 
> aim for the potholes on pavement and they were disconcertingly confident 
> (and fast!) off-road. 
>
> 32's and 35's were probably the goldilocks widths for paved rides longer 
> than 70 miles while carrying stuff. If I weighed more, carried more, or the 
> bike was over-built, 38's would be right there too. These days, my rides 
> rarely go past 60 miles so a couple candy bars and 28mm tires on a road 
> bike is all I need.  
>
> If I were more of a masochist with my riding and knew sleep deprivation 
> and all-road conditions were on the horizon, I'd go with the widest tire I 
> could fit. But if I want to feel quick and nimble, 28-32s do the best for 
> me.  
>
> - Andrew
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:29:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I have to say that the 559 labeled-32 but measure-27 (skinny rims) RH Elk 
>> Pass tires are the nicest 26" road tires I've used and, in fact, the nicest 
>> road tires of any size I've used, gauging by "feel" of speed* and feel of 
>> smoothness.
>>
>> * I personally have never associated buzz or harshness with speed; in 
>> fact, just the opposite: I associate smoothness with speed. Besides 
>> smoothness, the EPs just seem easier to pedal at given cadences in given 
>> conditions at given gears.
>>
>> I wish they plumped out at 5 mm wider, but I don't want to change my rims.
>>
>> At 55/60 they feel as smooth over high freq/low amp bumps as the 559X42 
>> mm (41 mm actual) Naches Pass extra lights at 35/40, and they seem easier 
>> to pedal as defined above, though not by a great deal.
>>
>> One benefit to the narrower tires is that they do make the bike's 
>> handling feel more nimble -- "crisper." OTOH, the 622X61 mm actual Big One 
>> ELs at 18 to 21 psi on the earlier Matthews feel as easy to pedal ("as 
>> fast" -- similar gearing, conditions, cadences) as the Elk Passes; but very 
>> different bikes and 175 mm vs 170 mm cranks. And these fatties don't feel 
>> all that smoother over small pavement bumps than the EPs or the NPs. It 
>> seems that if you put sufficiently minimum air pressure into very supple, 
>> light tires of any width, the feel over small bumps remains about the same. 
>> I do like bashing over the 5" wide expansion cracks in our streets with the 
>> BOs or the NPs, though; I have to be more careful with the EPs.
>>
>> Btw, all 3 frames relatively light tubing. In fact, the 1999 gofast that 
>> has the EPs has the stoutest tubing of the bunch, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:38 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even 
>>> a liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe 
>>> Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I 
>>> don't notice them, and that's the point. This is with my Franklin road 
>>> bike. While it can take a 38, it's actually worse with a wider tire. It's a 
>>> matter of feel, of detail, of precision and handling. A .3mm mechanical 
>>> pencil feels and writes a whole lot different than a .9mm. A bolder font 
>>> doesn't make these letters any easier or better to read than they are 
>>> presently.
>>>
>>> In contrast, I ride my Bombadil on the road and no matter the tire, be 
>>> it 38mm or 50mm, it feels overkill to me. I think it has more to do 

[RBW] Re: WTB:48cm Nitto Noodles

[MoVelo]

Thanks to everyone that responded to my query. I have found what I was 
looking for.

James

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:24:29 PM UTC-5 MoVelo wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone on this list might be holding the above referenced 
> item they would like to rid themselves of. Straight and true preferred, but 
> scratches, glue, tape residue, bugs and boogers are fine with me.
>
> Please pm me.
>
> James Poulson
> Centralish NE
>

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[RBW] WTB:48cm Nitto Noodles

[MoVelo]

I'm wondering if anyone on this list might be holding the above referenced 
item they would like to rid themselves of. Straight and true preferred, but 
scratches, glue, tape residue, bugs and boogers are fine with me.

Please pm me.

James Poulson
Centralish NE

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Noodle 46cm

[MoVelo]

I'm wondering if there might be someone holding some 48cm noodles they 
might want to move along. Straight and true required, but glue, bugs, 
buggers and scratches are alright by me. 

Reply off list please.

Thanks

James Poulson
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[RBW] Re: Cottonwoods in leaf: acequia/ditchbank trail ride

[MoVelo]

Looks fun Patrick. Couple of questions.

Do those trails see a lot of traffic and that is what keeps the vegetation 
down? 

How high does the water get during the irrigation season? I am assuming it 
varies depending on the time of year. 

I love finding these kinds of unintentional recreation paths and are 
usually my route of choice when available.

James Poulson

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 5:40:53 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That should be 30 + miles, no kidding.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 3:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Pleasant little jaunt, 15 miles, mostly ditchbank -- rediscovered a 
>> nearby acequia trail that I'd ridden many times before but recently 
>> confused with another, nearby one. The acequia network is pretty dense in 
>> certain areas.
>>
>> All within 4-5 crow journey from home. One could stitch together 20+ 
>> miles of ditchbank and Rio Grande Conservancy District roads easily within 
>> a 5 mile radius.
>>
>> Plus: Cottonwood bowers in warm weather. Con: sand.
>>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[MoVelo]

Thank you kind sir. I'm sure the grey lady won't mi$$ it and besides you'll 
have helped enlighten one more soul once I give it a read. How can you feel 
guilty for that?

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 2:53:38 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, all sorts of publications do that, and it's becoming more common, I 
> think.
>
> I used to be able to read the NYT for free by cleansing my cache after 
> each session online, but now it's pay/read only.
>
> I feel guilty about depriving a big media company of a buck or two, but so 
> what. I've attached the article as a PDF.
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 1:12 PM MoVelo  wrote:
>
>> Too  bad they feel they have to put their articles behind a paywall. Who 
>> does that anymore?
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:05:47 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I know that I am pushing the boundaries of this thread to the breaking 
>>> point, but I also think that these tangents are fully sympathetic to the 
>>> general sense of this list in general and to Grant's own predilections in 
>>> particular. This current NYT article makes intelligent observations on the 
>>> debilitating effects of substituting technology for reality.
>>>
>>> At any rate, FWIW. Caveat: I find very many things to disagree with in 
>>> Ms. Tish Hamilton Warren's opinions, but OTOH, it is quite obvious that she 
>>> (a) is truly sincere and (b) has given these matters a great deal of 
>>> intelligent thought and (c) is a caring and sympathetic and, by God, an 
>>> *intelligent!* human individual.
>>>
>>> Her OpEd piece last week is also worth hunting up and reading.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/opinion/loneliness-connectedness-technology.html
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 3:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd like to understand better what you mean by this. I agree that, in 
>>>> general, many improvements so-called to everyday life have been 
>>>> technologies that do things for you and therefore remove agency and the 
>>>> resulting pleasure; remove agency except the very basic, almost pre-human 
>>>> agencies of adding inputs without having to think about results; and by 
>>>> technologies I mean administrative systems as well as machines. Almost 3 
>>>> decades ago a friend on a modestly successful upward career path as a 
>>>> commercial loan officer at a regional bank left after the bank was bought 
>>>> by a much bigger bank that had rationalized everything and put into place 
>>>> their program of using statistical analysis to reduce loan decisions to a 
>>>> checklist instead of what he found fulfilling: getting to know people and 
>>>> sizing up their circumstances and character, and forecasting outcomes 
>>>> based 
>>>> on this judgment.
>>>>
>>>> And 20 years ago, when I was married to a pediatrician, the big 
>>>> hospitals (here in flyover ABQ, NM) had been more and more making 
>>>> diagnosis 
>>>> and treatment a matter of following rationalized, statistically tested, 
>>>> general checklists, with other checklists to measure "productivity." She 
>>>> is 
>>>> now in 1-woman private practice, and good for her.
>>>>
>>>> Is this what you mean?
>>>>
>>>> It's funny and sad that more and more -- not only hard, dirty, 
>>>> dangerous physical labor, but human thought and creativity has been 
>>>> replaced by rationalized systems evaluated statistically, so that even 
>>>> some 
>>>> previously professional work has been reduced to hewing wood and drawing 
>>>> water, metaphorically speaking: plugging in inputs. This started of course 
>>>> with manufacturing.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the same trend seems to be taking over cycling, with the 
>>>> difference that the ultimate agency in cycling is still the person that 
>>>> pedals. Still, I too like friction, when I don't use the primitive 
>>>> indexing 
>>>> on Sturmey Archer hubs, or give it all up altogether for fixed drivetrains 
>>>> -- because of agency.
>>>>
>>>> I do not by any means consider Matthew Crawford a sage, but he's an 
>>>> intelligent and well educated man who has actually thought through this 
>>>> sort of thing and expressed his conclusions with surprising clarity for 
>>>> someone trained as an academic, this in *Shop Class as Soul Cra

Re: [RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[MoVelo]

Too  bad they feel they have to put their articles behind a paywall. Who 
does that anymore?

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:05:47 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I know that I am pushing the boundaries of this thread to the breaking 
> point, but I also think that these tangents are fully sympathetic to the 
> general sense of this list in general and to Grant's own predilections in 
> particular. This current NYT article makes intelligent observations on the 
> debilitating effects of substituting technology for reality.
>
> At any rate, FWIW. Caveat: I find very many things to disagree with in Ms. 
> Tish Hamilton Warren's opinions, but OTOH, it is quite obvious that she (a) 
> is truly sincere and (b) has given these matters a great deal of 
> intelligent thought and (c) is a caring and sympathetic and, by God, an 
> *intelligent!* human individual.
>
> Her OpEd piece last week is also worth hunting up and reading.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/opinion/loneliness-connectedness-technology.html
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 3:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to understand better what you mean by this. I agree that, in 
>> general, many improvements so-called to everyday life have been 
>> technologies that do things for you and therefore remove agency and the 
>> resulting pleasure; remove agency except the very basic, almost pre-human 
>> agencies of adding inputs without having to think about results; and by 
>> technologies I mean administrative systems as well as machines. Almost 3 
>> decades ago a friend on a modestly successful upward career path as a 
>> commercial loan officer at a regional bank left after the bank was bought 
>> by a much bigger bank that had rationalized everything and put into place 
>> their program of using statistical analysis to reduce loan decisions to a 
>> checklist instead of what he found fulfilling: getting to know people and 
>> sizing up their circumstances and character, and forecasting outcomes based 
>> on this judgment.
>>
>> And 20 years ago, when I was married to a pediatrician, the big hospitals 
>> (here in flyover ABQ, NM) had been more and more making diagnosis and 
>> treatment a matter of following rationalized, statistically tested, general 
>> checklists, with other checklists to measure "productivity." She is now in 
>> 1-woman private practice, and good for her.
>>
>> Is this what you mean?
>>
>> It's funny and sad that more and more -- not only hard, dirty, dangerous 
>> physical labor, but human thought and creativity has been replaced by 
>> rationalized systems evaluated statistically, so that even some previously 
>> professional work has been reduced to hewing wood and drawing water, 
>> metaphorically speaking: plugging in inputs. This started of course with 
>> manufacturing.
>>
>> I agree that the same trend seems to be taking over cycling, with the 
>> difference that the ultimate agency in cycling is still the person that 
>> pedals. Still, I too like friction, when I don't use the primitive indexing 
>> on Sturmey Archer hubs, or give it all up altogether for fixed drivetrains 
>> -- because of agency.
>>
>> I do not by any means consider Matthew Crawford a sage, but he's an 
>> intelligent and well educated man who has actually thought through this 
>> sort of thing and expressed his conclusions with surprising clarity for 
>> someone trained as an academic, this in *Shop Class as Soul Craft* and *The 
>> World Beyond Your Head.* Both books assert generally that real-life 
>> confrontation and engagement with real things, notably in the manual 
>> trades*, are much more conducive to virtue** than coding software or even 
>> -- the clientele I write for -- managing the strategies and general 
>> direction and design of business systems, be these entire corporations or 
>> business units or product portfolios or global IT systems using statistical 
>> methods and working to meet the quarterly numbers. Yes, doing otherwise 
>> does indeed put a limit on practical size.
>>
>> Crawford worked as a journeyman electrician, and owns a business 
>> restoring classic motorcycles.
>>
>> * Hands-on trades: plumbing, auto mechanics, framing, and I daresay, 
>> though he doesn't extend his descriptions to them, cooking, interior 
>> design, event planning, stock raising, farming on a family scale.
>>
>> ** "Arete," the perfection or fulfillment and thus flourishing of a 
>> specific (= species) kind. The virtue of a hammer is to be well balanced, 
>> properly weighted, and because of this to drive nails efficiently. Crawford 
>> means both the specific excellences of character and the specific 
>> excellences of the practical intelligence; the speculative intelligence is 
>> beyond him. Suntour's classic bar cons by this criterion are highly 
>> virtuous shifting devices. Forget the idea of "virtue" in the modern sense 
>> as something that makes you give up stuff.
>>
>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 4:45 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>>> ... So 

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[MoVelo]

I'm still loving my Rambouillet and would probably be it if I had to pick 
just one. Currently set up with 650Bx42's it makes a very comfy and 
beautiful gravel bike. :-)

JP in Goatville
On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 12:35:04 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yes, Corwin, I agree with Ryan. Hearing that your custom was stolen made 
> my stomach turn. I’m so sorry. 
>
> I also embrace the idea of keeping as fit as one can as one ages. I think 
> about this more than I like to admit (I’m 41 now, and while 40 didn’t scare 
> me, 50 sure does). I really changed how I cook about 7 or 8 years ago 
> (organic produce, pasture-raised meats, and I make nearly everything from 
> scratch) in hopes of avoiding the diseases that plague so many Americans. I 
> have added a a lot of different workouts to my routine, too, the best of 
> which are weights and core. I take photos so I can see progress.
>
> I know what you mean, Corwin, about the guys older than you being 
> incredibly fit. I have met these people! I attended a talk with a trio who 
> mountain biked the Great Divide. Three retirement-age, white-haired men 
> stood up to give the talk. Incredible! I think of the man on this List who 
> rides his orange Appaloosa - he’s in his 80s and has done crazy mileage. He 
> says people ask him how he does it and he says, “I can do it because I do 
> it.” I hope my trio of bikes can be my companions, riding with me through 
> the upcoming decades and growing old with me. 
>
> And to that end, please enjoy this nonagenarian on her steel mixte. Don’t 
> you love her?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2s0aGCVet0
>
> Leah
>
> On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:22 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> Yikes,Corwin...sorry to hear about the theft of your 1st custom given 
> that customs are hardly a spur-of-the-moment purchase...also true for any 
> non-customs on this list
>
>
> So...that being said, hypothetically being forced to pick one is like 
> picking just one of your kids, if you have children
>
> If I get so inflexible I can't swing a leg over; guess it's my 2016 custom 
> Riv mixte
>
> But I'm not going gently into that good night
>
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 1:15:30 AM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:
>
>> I readily admit that mixte and step-through frames serve a valuable 
>> purpose for those with trouble throwing a leg over the rear wheel, saddle, 
>> top tube, etc. But I reject the notion that one must slow down just because 
>> they have achieved a certain age. I have been on numerous club rides in the 
>> hills of the East Bay where guys as much as thirty years older than me 
>> simply rode away from me on the hills. I'm a decent climber - and not only 
>> have they ridden away from me going uphill - they have ridden away going 
>> down as well!
>>
>> I think there is a great deal of value in maintaining the flexibility 
>> required to throw a leg over. I see no reason to stop now or ever. Like 
>> Grant, I plan to ride (and surf, scuba dive, etc.) right up to the end. We 
>> need not be stopped by the aging process.
>>
>> My one bike would be a close contest between my original custom and my 
>> Bianchi Cross Project. My original custom was stolen a little more than a 
>> year ago. A new one is in the works. I hope to be on it by the end of the 
>> year.
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:37:02 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> I don't know if I have mentioned this before,  but your green custom 
>>> Matthews with SA hub is a thing of beauty.
>>>
>>> Ian A Alberta Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:09:07 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The apocalypse/age angle came later; the original question was, if one 
 only, which one?

 Me, tho' I'm quite clear which "one and only" I'd choose, I'd like to 
 propose a followup thread: Gunman holds gun to (your) temple, sez: "It's 
 your life; I don't care. Which *second* bike would you keep, after 
 relegating #s 3 sq to the abyss?" (Eloquent gunman, that.) I think another 
 responder already broached this thread extension.

 I'll lead: My 2020 Chauncey Matthews clone of 2003 Curt Goodrich 26" 
 wheel Road custom, but tweaked with Grant-forbiddent things like hub gear 
 and very weird braze-on embellishments (details upon request). The 2003 
 was 
 a near clone of the 1999, and the Matthews replicates it in thinner wall, 
 thinner gauge tubing, for -- Yes! -- that true planing experience. That 
 the 
 '03 was too stout I realized after 15 years.

 Patrick Moore, grimly bottom-trimming for the common good, in ABQ, NM.

 [image: image.png]

 On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 4:40 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Kinda late to this one, but if the point of the question is to call 
> attention to the virtues of step-through frames for the aging cyclist I 
> agree with the sentiment that a tadpole-style trike is a better choice 
> for 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dealing with wind

[MoVelo]

Central Nebraska here. Winds and goatheads! If I can plan a ride out into 
the wind and with the wind on the return after I'm warmed up, I do. 
Sometimes that's not possible so I just bear it. 

I'm 66 and ride drops level with the saddle. Aero tuck the best you can. 
Cross winds can be just as bad. 

I lived in hilly Missouri and will take those hills with less wind over a 
constant prairie wind anyway of the week.

I suppose an approach with the bike set up in your reference photo, I would 
get my hands as close to the stem as possible and tuck myself as much as 
possible. Doesn't seem very enjoyable if you have to be in the position for 
any length of time.

I have a grocery getter MB2 set up similar to your photo but would never 
consider taking more than the quarter mile I take it to the grocery store 
or post office. 



JP

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 6:06:28 PM UTC-5 MCT wrote:

> I just suffer here in Oklahoma.  Otherwise, I try to go to in the wind and 
> fro with the wind at my back.
>
> Matt in OKC
>
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 2:13:33 PM UTC-5 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ditto Richard
>> Only I am 70..There Is always a wind in Colorado
>> If wind is above 12MPH I choose a trail that is sheltered from the wind.
>> My bikes have bars that position me upright.
>> A day riding into a head wind is better than no ride at all.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 1:01 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> I am a couple of months shy of 67. Been riding since I was 20. Had all 
>>> kinds of bikes. Back surgery 2 years ago convinced me I should stop riding 
>>> drops, or at least get them up really high. Now my non mountain bike looks 
>>> a lot like the one in the pic. My Clem has the Tosco bars up very high. I 
>>> am supremely comfortable. Into the wind I have at least two alternate hand 
>>> positions that get me into either a traditional “hoods” position or an 
>>> almost time trial position. The later is for very short periods of time. It 
>>> helps, but mostly I just have lower expectations these days regarding 
>>> making time into the wind. The best & my favorite way to combat the wind is 
>>> to ride my mountain bike in the woods.:)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 2:32 PM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> I rarely sit bolt-upright (no pull back bars, just Nitto Wavies), but 
>>> most of my bikes have the bars are considerably higher than the seat so I 
>>> am fairly upright. I am a couple weeks shy of 66, but I just feel too tippy 
>>> bolt upright, I have been riding mostly drops for 50 years. When riding the 
>>> levees recently on my single speed Mystery Bike, 1st I chose the direction 
>>> of the ride carefully - start into the wind, there is a handy weather 
>>> station at the getting on the levee start point and I look at which way the 
>>> wind vane is pointing. Last weekend the winds were in the 10-20 mph range 
>>> and the single gear is 60. I have a Da Brim on my helmet and the wind can 
>>> definitely move my head around when it is gusty. I just ride into the wind 
>>> with elbows bent, slide back on the seat, for as long as I can (a little 
>>> more than an hour for now) at slightly over 6 mph then turn around and get 
>>> an assist on the return.
>>> 15-20 years ago, I used to get sent down to Ascension Island (South 
>>> Atlantic - about halfway between South  America and Africa) as a civilian 
>>> contractor and I took my Bike Friday (1x7 gearing) with me. The wind there 
>>> was 20 mph or more from the east, fortunately the base on on the west side 
>>> of the island, so I could ride out into the wind. I had to pedal down the 
>>> hills. It was about three hours out to the old NASA site and 1/2 hour 
>>> getting back, barely had to pedal uphill. Bars were a little above the seat.
>>>
>>> [image: 081 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 046 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>> I am now working on my Mean Green Levee Riding Machine - putting gears 
>>> on my formerly single speed Rosco Bubbe V1. It will remain upright, with 
>>> the shifters on the downtube to discourage shifting unless needed (2x9 - 
>>> 48/34 with 12-29) with Rene Herse 700 x 44 tires. Should be easier into the 
>>> wind.
>>> Just for grins - here is my Guv'nor with three speed shifter mounted on 
>>> the seatpost - pretty much impossible to shift while on the bike - stop and 
>>> dismount to shift
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1535 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 1:36:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I ask those of you who often ride in high winds: How do you deal with 
 strong headwinds when you are sitting bolt upright, particularly if you 
 are 
 riding a Quickbeam or Uno?

 Winds require more power, so a bolt upright position is tiring both 
 because of wind resistance, and because an insufficient angle between 
 torso 
 and hips means it's hard to generate torque -- or so I've always found.

 So if you are riding a bike set up like this one, how do you deal 

[RBW] Re: The Whimsical Illustrations of Uncle Rinne

[MoVelo]

Awesome John. Thanks for sharing.

jp

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:39:41 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> A recent Bikepacking 
>  profile on 
> Tetsuro Ohno highlights his 'Uncle Rinne' character. Many of his 
> illustrations seem to align well with The Way of the Riv.
>
> The Japanese concept of 'rinne', when applied to the bicycle, is 
> particularly poignant, in my view. 
>
> Cheers, 
> John
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-03-13 at 9.37.51.png]
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[MoVelo]

I use Ride with GPS on my iPhone. It keeps track of yearly mileage and all 
the other stats, pauses when I pause and can run it the background whilst I 
surf other apps. 

Also there is a pretty big library of rides from others who have shared 
with the app.

Remembering to turn it on at the beginning of a ride is my biggest 
challenge. 

JP

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:04:49 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> GPS mapping software is smart enough to understand a brief break for 
> tunnels. Bridges & underpasses are not a problem as there are multiple 
> satellites feeding the data all the way across the horizon so you may lose 
> a more overhead signal but not one coming at you from in front or behind. 
> As for accuracy, I'm not sure how much closer you want than the typical 16' 
> which the standard GPS receivers like your phone or Garmin deliver? Since 
> you're traveling rather than static you are giving the mapping software 
> flowing data points to extrapolate against for better accuracy than 
> standing still too.
>
> There's no way a cycle computer could be calibrated that accurately & the 
> margin of error will increase with the mileage.
>
> I use Strava combined with a Wahoo Tickr wrist strap as I like to be mix 
> up my HR efforts & I tend to ride too hard. I don't slavishly follow the 
> data but Strave lets you input which bike you rode that day which is a 
> great way of keeping overall mileage records.
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:46:12 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a bike 
>> with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll out" 
>> method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to see how 
>> accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas where the sky 
>> is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy forestation, 
>> etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage tracked.  Plus, the 
>> run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, be it a specific device 
>> (Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to begin with as the high 
>> quality equipment that people like surveyors use.
>>
>> Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
>> Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again this 
>> year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not even 
>> sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that the 
>> fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
>>> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
>>> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on 
>>> the trail I ride.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[MoVelo]

I'm old enough to have lost enough hearing to not be bothered by buzzy 
hubs, and I try to keep an appropriate social distance from those that 
could potentially be bothered by them. 

My Chris Blings are noisy and sometimes I can hear them. My Shimanos are 
silent, I think. 

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:58:43 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> Came here looking for the:  “Unclip the playing cards from your 
> chainstays” comment.
> [badda bum!]
>
> OK, I’m old.  But I can’t be the only one who did this as a kid...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone tried out their Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Bars?

[MoVelo]

Patch

Thanks for the reply. I knew you lived on the edge, but please becareful or 
your bars will end up like Eric's, who's are seriously wacky.

JP



On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:38:12 PM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:

> Eric ,
> I did the same thing I think it’s the outer bend I compared my bar with a 
> nitto bar as well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 17, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Lucky – These were made in Taiwan, can't remember the factory. They make 
> bars for one of the big companies (but can't remember who at the moment). 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:15:38 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Am I wrong that these bars were hand bent by Ron and a vise,  vs “factory 
>> made”? 
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2022, at 10:13, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Eric,  The bar clamp section of my Ortho bars is much more off center 
>> than yours, and I think if I sold them to someone sight unseen, they would 
>> be justifiably PO'd. If I tried to clamp my Ortho bar in a stem, I would be 
>> tightening the stem down on the section transitioning from the 25.4mm clamp 
>> section to the 22.2 bar.
>>
>> Crust emailed me within minutes telling me to send the bars back. This 
>> must be a complete bummer for them, and I only hope they recover 
>> compensation from the manufacturer.
>>
>> I think if the shape of these bars was based on the Albatross rather than 
>> the Bosco, they would fit more bikes, and give people more choices in stem 
>> length to fit their bodies and riding positions. I think the Ortho's don't 
>> need shorter grip sections, they just need some reach, maybe 3-5cm?
>>
>> YMMV,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:25:40 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @John & Sam: I'm sure you could easily unload those bars, even with the 
>>> asymmetry! 
>>>
>>> Now, regarding the asymmetry. I spent a bit of time looking closely at 
>>> my bars last night. When I align the Ortho Bars with a loose set of 
>>> Albatross bars with both sets facing the same way, nestled together, they 
>>> very clearly don't line up. I assume that the Nitto bars are perfectly 
>>> symmetrical given Nitto's reputation for precision. In the photo I placed 
>>> the rule centered beneath the Albatross bars. 
>>>
>>> However, when I flip the bars around into an interlocking orientation 
>>> the clamps do appear centered. There must be some inconsistency with the 
>>> rise or bends of the Ortho bars that prevents them from nestling on center 
>>> with the Albatross bars when they're both oriented the same direction. When 
>>> measuring I could not determine where the inconsistency is. 
>>>
>>> I measured my Ortho bars from outside to outside, found the center line 
>>> and measured to the left and right from there. There is a slight 
>>> inconsistency in the textured clamp area but it's about 1.2mm. Same for the 
>>> taper of the bar, which I measured with calipers. There's some 
>>> inconsistency but for handlebars it's trivial.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8497.JPG][image: IMG_8498.JPG][image: IMG_8500.JPG]
>>>
>>>  [image: IMG_8492.JPG][image: IMG_8493.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_8494.JPG][image: IMG_8496.JPG]
>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:55:43 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>>
 I should have said I have the extinct 56cm Albatross bars which are 
 also a different shape, wider up near bend.

 John

 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 11:30:00 PM UTC-8 
 brianmark...@gmail.com wrote:

> That’s odd. I didn’t notice anything off with mine, but now I’m 
> curious and will have to check. I think I disagree on them being not much 
> wider than Albas though.
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 13:13 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>I received my Ortho bars only to discover the bars are not 
>> symmetrical. Both the structural 25.4mm bar clamp section and the 
>> roughened 
>> grip section for the bar clamp are closer to the right hand side of the 
>> bars, and neither is lined up with each other.  I could live with the 
>> roughened section being a bit off, but the 25.4mm bar clamp section is 
>> way 
>> too far over to the right. I wrote Crust an email asking about a return. 
>> These bars are so wide you don't immediately notice something is off, 
>> but 
>> when I pulled out my 56mm Albatross bars to compare, I noticed the bar 
>> clamp sections wouldn't line up. I was trying to measure just how much 
>> stem 
>> extension I was going to need to move over from my Alba's to the Ortho 
>> bars, and saw something was really off.
>>
>>These bars are not actually a ton wider than my Alba's so I'll 
>> just stick with my albatross cockpit for now.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:40:56 AM UTC-8 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:

Re: [RBW] Has anyone tried out their Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Bars?

[MoVelo]

I'm curious, and I know I have seen this in numerous bike photos before, 
but why is the chain so severely cross chained. That being the big cassette 
cog in the back and big ring in the front? Is there a convention for 
photographing bikes that I am unaware of, or do most folks cross-chain like 
this and I am missing out on the pleasure by lack of education?
Now I could be totally misunderstanding the photo, but with my eyes and the 
resolution of the digital photo is looks as tho the outside (ie largest 
ring) is in fact a guard and not a toothed chainring. Am I wrong and the 
chain is in fact on the middle chainring? 
I am not trying to be critical, just trying to understand why I seem to see 
this setup in so many seemingly staged photos. Do most folks ride their 
bikes in this fashion?
Just curious. 

JP

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> @James: Have you considered trimming the bars a little shorter? Not the 
> craziest thing in the world, people modify bars like this all the time. 
>
> You might be able to find a pipe cutter for under $20 at your local 
> hardware store. Would be good to practice on a scrap piece of pipe first! 
> Or use a hacksaw. File the ends either way. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-15 at 7.11.37 PM.png]
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm going to throw up a WTT thread at some point, but the Ron's Ortho 
>> bars have just a couple of inch or inch and a half too much backwards reach 
>> for my 62cm Hunqapillar (pictured here with a 120mm Technomic).  I think 
>> I'd be better off with a Billie bar.  I'm in northern NJ, work in 
>> Manhattan, if anyone would be interested in a trade...
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-02-10 161030.png]
>>
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:37:30 PM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks John, maybe Ronny Romance just has a huge stack of 26mm clamp 
>>> stems from the 1990s in his parts stash :-)
>>>
>>> I bought a used Clem H in April 2021 and built it with a set of steel 
>>> Ergotec Beach cruiser bars because they were the only thing
>>> I could find that looked even little a bit like the Ortho bars. I really 
>>> love the range of positions, and the sweep is much more natural than flat 
>>> mtb bars. Not so keen on the 880g weight though...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 20:05, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, 
I tried out a 120mm Technomic Deluxe and a 120mm Pearl for initial 
 fit, and I liked the little bit of extra reach the Pearl gives me. A Nitto 
 Pearl stem sunk all the way down in my Hunqapillar's short head tube still 
 puts these bars about 8 cm's above my saddle.

 For some reason, Nitto measures the Pearl differently than the 
 Technomic Deluxe and the Pearl is about 8-9mm longer. Why? I don't know.

 So if I decide later I need to raise these bars a bit higher, I think 
 I'm going to need that one extra centimeter of the 130mm Technomic Deluxe.


 Hi Johnny,  
Most handlebars Crust sells are 26mm or 31.8mm, maybe that's why? 
 Could strength be a factor?  Fingers crossed Crust starts to stock some 
 120-130mm stems for these bars. 

 I think the demand for these bars caught Crust & Uncle Ron completely 
 off guard.  Back in February 2021, when I emailed Uncle Ron with questions 
 about a photo of what looked like giant, mutant Albatross bars on his 
 Atlantis(?), he answered, "congrats on being the only person 
 interested in my ortho back bars lol. it's a state of mind... "

 But then Crust put up those Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Back Bars 
 Sesion#1-#3 ride videos up on Youtube, and Uncle Ron posted Instagram 
 photos, and they created a monster.

 John
 On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @frahm30: I'm working on three builds plus a repair plus a drivetrain 
> upgrade! Five bikes in varying stages of... disaster. Sorry to tempt you 
> with my Ortho Fresh Bars (Still In Box for maximum health benefits). 
>
> John, Ben's Cycle has the 26.0 clamp diameter, 190mm quill Technomic 
> deluxe in size up to 120mm. If you can abide that lost centimeter check 
> 'em here 
> 
> . 
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> I've been trying to find a 130mm Technomic deluxe with a 190mm quill, 
>> but it looks like I'll have to use a 120mm Nitto Pearl until I do. I 
>> don't 
>> need them too high, so fingers crossed.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Sadly mine are in the shed too, 

[RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

[MoVelo]

Nikko

Excellent photography and a very nice build.

Couple of questions.

Is the finish of the bike sort of matte, because it looks that way to me in 
a couple of the shots. Perhaps it is the way you have the lighting set.

Also, I'm curious about what the rear hub is/

Thanks

JP

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 2:58:06 PM UTC-6 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Really well done on the build! What a beautiful bike.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:48:51 PM UTC-8 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> Hey y’all,
>>
>> Got this Legolas from a list member here. I had it built very similarly 
>> to the previous owner initially, but made some small changes recently to 
>> differentiate it and I’m really happy with it. 
>>
>> I plan for this to be my gravel bike (loose segments are hard still). But 
>> I can throw the matching 38mm Barlow Pass tire on the front and have a 
>> plush rackless road rando rig. I have a bag coming in for that exact 
>> purpose. 
>>
>> Here it is.
>> Album here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/M7EahK87ixkGdN1D7
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Hillborne PRICE DROP

[MoVelo]

Ahmed

Your Hillborne looks great. I am in the market for one but in a larger 
size. If your's was a 58 I'd be all over it.

I do see there is a 60cm on Ebay with a starting bid of $2200.00. I am a 
little confused about that size tho as the chart I have shows a 58 and then 
a 62. I confess I haven't been following the Sams as closely as some on 
this list have, and so I don't have a good grasp on the heritage. Rivendell 
does seem to refine the bikes as the years go on. I noticed the current 
generation as shown on their website has different seat stay connections as 
yours. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165308900740?hash=item267d2da584:g:qd4AAOSwF0Vh9upF

You might follow it to see where the bidding ends up to get an idea of what 
they bring there. 

Good luck.

JP in Central NE

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-6 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> I hope you find a buyer, Ahmed. 
> I hope folks realize that the Hillborne was sort of the bike that started 
> the whole modern era of Rivendells, as I don't feel like the Hillborne gets 
> as much regard as the newer, evolved models. The Bomba came first as a 6 
> degree upsloping tubed bike, but the Hillborne was the first of the Taiwan 
> expanded geometry bicycles that have come to exemplify Rivendell (this is 
> according to my fuzzy memory). It was meant to be a do all, beat it up, 
> ride it like crazy, never repaint it (I recall grant saying he hoped nobody 
> would ever repaint one), and pass it down to your children bike. I honestly 
> think anyone looking for a Riv and fits this 55cm Hillborne couldn't find a 
> better bicycle. I have had a super secret 56cm double TT Waterford 
> Hillborne since 2011 and it is a never sell for me. It was my primary 
> touring bicycle for a number of years, also commuter, shopper, and do all 
> bicycle. It can use drops or uprights. Folks seem to want a Riv mixte or 
> droptube, and I have had both and sold them both because I never actually 
> used the lower tube for stepping "in" to the bicycle, I still throw my leg 
> over, and with the expanded geometry of the Hillborne, you don't have to 
> worry about standover anyway.
> Also, and this is again only my experience, I never got along with the 
> long wheelbase that the newer Riv's have. I much prefer the ride of my old 
> style Atlantis, Hillborne, and Simpleone. 
> I hope this helps anyone on the fence. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:10:33 PM UTC-6 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chris!!! 
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 7:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>
>>> Ahmed 
>>>
>>> The Sam is a very nice build and color - just one size too small for me. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>>
 PRICE DROP. I got absolutely no response at all so. guess I am 
 too high? OR No one wants a Hillborne these days? Make a reasonable offer. 

 Ahmed in San Mateo

 On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> Let's try this again
> For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity Atlas 
> 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto seatpost and 
> Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with stem 
> shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on 
> it. 
> Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and 
> prefer 
> local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist. 
>
> thanks
> Ahmed in San Mateo, CA
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[RBW] Re: Where is Deacon Patrick?

[MoVelo]

Garth 

Thank you so much for this info. I too have wondered about Deacon's 
whereabouts. I am sorry for the groups loss, but joyed to have found him 
and his writings. 

Sharp wit within a truly compassionate soul seems to be so rare these days. 

Peace

jaypea

On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 5:56:42 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> Here's a wayback link  
> https://web.archive.org/web/20210121144359/https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 6:52:24 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Here is his web page where you can contact him John. 
>> https://deaconpatrick.org 
>>
>> He had written about "being at a Crossroads with an online group" there 
>> but it's now removed. Call it irreconcilable differences. That neither he 
>> nor we are at liberty to discuss here pretty much says everything, and 
>> that's about all there is to that. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 4:52:42 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> I apologize if this is off topic but does anybody know what happened to 
>>> Deacon Patrick? He is, to my thinking, among the venerable RBW Owners 
>>> including Bill, Joe, Patrick, Berkeleyan, and BBDD. So, where is he?
>>>
>>> Back in 2014 when I was looking into buying my Hunqapillar, Deacon 
>>> Patrick was a great source of inspiration and knowledge regarding this bike 
>>> in particular. Moreover, I've always enjoyed his writing and encouragement 
>>> to others who were looking for advice in the Riv-i-verse. 
>>>
>>> Of late I notice he has been conspicuously absent. I Googled him and it 
>>> seems he's alive and well as a Catholic deacon in Colorado, but have not 
>>> seen him on these boards in a while. 
>>>
>>> I can't imagine he stopped riding his beloved Hunq, Quickbeam and GBW. 
>>> Maybe he just decided to step away from the world of the web and ride more. 
>>> Perhaps just another great bit of wisdom from the Deacon- 'grin'.
>>>
>>> Cheers. John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[MoVelo]

Looking for a mountain bike in 1989ish, I discovered Bridgestone and 
Grant's marketing philosophy. Both of which clicked with me. So, I ended up 
with an MB2 because it was purple and almost as good as the MB1. 

I rediscovered Grant and Rivendell thru IBOB, and fully reveled in the 
Kool-Aid. After years of hesitation, primarily due to my penny pinching, I 
found a used Ramboulliet. How can you not like a bike with a name like 
that. Everything about it makes sense and was obviously thought about by 
someone who actually rides bikes for utility. The versatility of the Ram 
continues to amaze me. Reasonably light and able road bike capable of 
touring, comfortable, predictable and pretty. And then the name which is 
the cherry on the top. 

The whole Rivendell culture has been a huge boon to me. The idea that a 
bike can be a tool for practical use while being beautiful, sensible and 
fun fits me. Rivendell embodies the meaning of attractive utility. Much 
like laguiole knives, tube amps, Belgium shotguns, Wagner castiron, etc. In 
my opinion, Grant & Rivendell somehow manage to combine the best of french 
aesthetics and yankee (Twain) 'down to earthedness', all with a wry smile. 

Besides all of that; the perverse pleasure I get in holding my tongue 
whilst some black clad weight weennie bikesplains to me how much faster I 
could go if a would ditch that old heavy steel bike, is worth every penny I 
have spent at Rivendell. I simply reply, "What's the hurry. I am just where 
I want to be and am in no hurry to leave."

Thank you to aeroperf for asking the question that started this thread. I 
think it is always good practice to reflect on why we do what we do.

Rivendell can be summed up by one of my favorite quotes; 

*Life is too serious to be taken seriously - Oscar Wilde*

Best Regards;

JP in goatheadland NE
On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 7:30:46 AM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was 1996 and we bought our first Apple computer and got an internet 
> connection.  I had finally decided to get back to riding a road bike.  I 
> had tried a Trek hybrid but wanted more.  I went online, a new thing for me 
> and found a bicycle site.  I posted about my bad back and desire for a road 
> bike.  Douglas Brooks replied steering me to Rivendell.  I ordered my first 
> Road and took delivery in 1997 and never looked back.  The relaxed geometry 
> and the ability to have the bars higher made riding a pleasure once again.  
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>>
>> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
>> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>>
>> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>>
>> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
>> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>>
>>
>> In my case
>> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
>> starting).
>> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
>> awesomely pretty.
>> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
>> and I remembered that.
>> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>>
>> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
>> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>>
>> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
>> instead of the Tolkien book?
>> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
>> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
>> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
>> he designs, once you could afford it?
>> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
>> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>>
>> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
>> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me some bikes with black components

[MoVelo]

My reference to 'dirt' showing up less on black was imprecise. By 'dirt' I 
meant that filth that turns black due to grease, oil or other lubricants. I 
prefer silver components myself since I can better tell when they need a 
good cleaning. The only experience I've had with black was on a car I 
owned. When it was clean it was beautiful, but as you point out Patrick the 
dust shows more easily. 

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:17:23 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I have a Neutrino also, but is has a lot of purple Paul components. It is 
> kind of a replacement for my Bike Friday, that I no longer ride, due to 
> being too heavy for the Bike Friday now. My Neutrino is a single speed. As 
> Joe says, it rides pretty normal. I haven't done any long rides on the 
> Neutrino, But I did do a two day double century on the Bike Friday. It was 
> very comfortable. The shorter overall length can be a great feature.
>
> Laing
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 11:37:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Patrick, 
>>
>> The Neutrino rides pretty normal to me. If I ride it back-to-back with my 
>> wa long and mellow custom the V-O feels notably short-coupled and 
>> quicker steering, but that's fun..I wanted them to feel significantly 
>> different.
>>
>> It's a great "dodging around things" bike for the city, I might even try 
>> it on a couple dirt switchbacks just to see what happens. I used to ride 
>> XO-1's and 3's that way, this feels quite similar to those bikes. Go get 
>> one! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 7:40:27 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Joe: How do you like the Neutrino, and how does it ride compared to a 
>>> big bike? Is it twitchy?
>>>
>>> I have absolutely no need of a bike like this, but I admit I've more 
>>> than once reviewed the specs on the VO site.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 5:26 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 My Velo-Orange Neutrino with Rohloff Speedhub and SON Dyno. Not a great 
 pic but the cranks have since been swapped to a silver Sugino so this is 
 all I have to show for a blacked out bike. 

 Joe Bernard

 On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 8:39:15 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can 
> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, 
> bars, 
> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a 
> decaf espresso type. 
>
> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black 
> components? 
>
> With gratitude,
> Eric 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me some bikes with black components

[MoVelo]

i always figured black components became a thing to make the dirt less 
obvious

James Poulson
On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-6 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Thanks, Lucky! Knobbys are kinda scarce. I had a Toothpaste one for a 
> while, like that color as well.  
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 7:19:46 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Sweet Kelly, Paul. I love the classic orange and green Kelly bikes. 
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 15:42, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Being that this is RBW I won't delve too deeply into mostly-black since I 
>> have no mostly-black Riv builds. But here are two non-Rivs in orange, which 
>> are stupidly Fort Lee High School Bridgemen tribute color schemes, in 
>> Orange-and-Black: W'ford RS-22 and Kelly Knobby-X. And I guess a recent-ish 
>> Ritchey Swiss-Cross Canti, no orange to speak of.
>>
>> I find that mostly-black parts on a lighter-color frameset work fine for 
>> me. I've got a couple of black-on-black Gunnars which also look fine to me, 
>> but they generally need the right lighting to not look too dark. 
>>
>> I'm not a fan of "murdered-out" all-black schemes with no frame/etc 
>> decals, or with murdered-out decals that are all but impossible to 
>> see/read. But I'm fine that other folks might find it cool.
>>
>> I also find I'm more partial to all-black tires these days, especially on 
>> bikes that might see some non-asphalt time. Skinwall/tanwall/etc tends to 
>> age/stain/etc worse IME.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>>
>> [image: 50135712607_5c5f5ac2d7_c(1).jpg]
>> [image: 50135669631_33e7ec502e_c.jpg]
>>
>>
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[RBW] WTT: 59 Legolas for 59 Rodeo

[MoVelo]

Hello all;

I have a beautiful orange Legolas that I have enjoyed for almost 10 years 
now, but have decided to move it along if anyone is interested. I wanted to 
put feelers out to see if there might be a 59 Roadeo lurking amongst y'all 
in need of a new home. 

PM me.

Thanks

James Poulson

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[MoVelo]

[image: Shop Helper.jpg]

My shop is embarrassingly messy, but I did have a helper today.



On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-5 eggman...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow! a dream for most of this groups users, I gotta say. You lucky mf. 
> Props on how the shop is set up with the hanging bikes. Looks like you can 
> have FUN in there
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 5:18:42 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> The Garage Mahal:
>>
>> [image: IMG_0032s.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0035s.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0036s.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[MoVelo]

Greetings to those who have had to suffer thru the smokey haze of these 
wildfires. I am sending my rain dance wishes to you all. In the meantime 
wear your masks.

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 8:36:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Gibson wrote:

> All week the smoke from California has made the sun copper and the sky 
> pastel orange all day. Sending hope and rain your way. From Arizona.
> Bill Gibson
> Tempe, Arizona, USA
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>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I cut short a ride yesterday because the air felt smokey and affected my 
>> sinuses and eyes, even tho' the official particle report was "moderate". 
>> The air had been smokey for a couple of days with a "warning" in force 
>> until mid-day yesterday. Today was fine.
>>
>> Fire near Santa Fe, and smoke from Phoenix; dammit, Phoenix, keep your 
>> smoke to yourselves.
>>
>> The local "news" reported a local "be ready to evacuate" order, though 
>> intended only "in general." We're certainly dry, and I live next door to 
>> the bosque, which they are patrolling by helicopter, but no fire seems 
>> imminent, thank God. 
>>
>> Again, good luck to those in California Warming.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> The air is just miserable here in Novato with an AQI of 155. Yesterday 
>>> we were getting blowing smoke that made it seem like something was on fire 
>>> just down the street, but it was the wind from Point Reyes.
>>>
>>> I can't emphasize enough that you guys can't be out in this. I've seen 
>>> several reports around the onlines of people trying to ride or run and this 
>>> is just not a good plan, we all need to be inside with windows closed as 
>>> much as possible. Listen to your pal Joe!
>>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[MoVelo]

The sunrises and sunsets have been fantastic here in flyover territory. 
Thanks.

On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 11:05:45 AM UTC-5 Ash wrote:

>
> The smoke situation in South Bay Area keeps changing between bad and very 
> bad.
>
> These pictures are from a trail I frequent.  Before the fire vs yesterday. 
>  
>
> My heart goes out to folks with respiratory issues and those who live near 
> the mountains.  It is a very very scary situation.   
> [image: IMG_3913.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[MoVelo]

I vaguely remember some time back this being a topic. My memory tells me 
there was some concern that the unthreaded 1" tube on the Legolas was too 
thin to thread. Those with better memories can tell me I am right or wrong. 
I too have a lovely Legolas with an unthreaded stem and would prefer a 
threaded version so I can get the bars higher without the awkwardly 
appearance of a steep sloping threadless stem. 

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:16:32 AM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a 
> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
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[RBW] Re: What have you learned during the isolation?

[MoVelo]

i've learned that government can be incredibly stupid. I guess I already 
knew that but this confirms it.


On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:20:52 PM UTC-5, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> It’s the first time I’ve started a thread, but I’d be interested to hear 
> about what you’ve learned that’s new to you.
>
> I live on a 93 mile bike trail that’s now closed.   The bike trail, being 
> rails-to-trails, had no corners (or real hills).  So for five years I’ve 
> been cranking away in relatively straight lines.
>
> Now that I’m riding 4 laps through a small neighborhood, I’m learning how 
> to take corners at speed without pedal strikes.
> My 2015 Sam had no problem.  My 2019 Homer taught me that you had to 
> either open up the corner a little or “outside foot down, inside foot up” 
> coast through it.  They have the same 170mm crank arms, so it is probably 
> both the bottom bracket drop and the smaller wheels - 650 vs 700 - that put 
> me lower.  And 15mph might not be “speed” for others, but it is interesting 
> in tight quarters for me.
>
> So what have you learned?  Riding Zwift is fun?  Riding solo is no fun?  
> Cleaning clothes is easier without chain grease?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[MoVelo]

Bruce

Thanks. 

Yes the Ram is a 650 conversion which was pretty easy given the long reach 
brake calipers. I've had this bike for approximately 10 years now, and it 
has had many different set ups. The Ram is better on gravel as the tires 
are 42s with 35s on the Legolas and with the BB is a bit lower feels more 
stable than the Legolas.

The Legolas I've had for only three years and am still sorting it out. It 
is a racing bike and is just a bit quicker than the Ram when turning. I 
think I need a few more years to fully compare the two, but at this point I 
feel more a part of the Ram as opposed to sitting on the Legolas, if that 
makes any sense. 

The crank of the Ram is 172.5 while the Legolas is 170, which doesn't seem 
to be enough to make a noticeable difference to me. 

The cockpit components of the Legolas are a mix of Sram Rival, Red and XX. 
The Ram's components are all Ultegra. I do prefer the Sram over the 
Shimano. The Sram feels a bit more racey while the Shimano feels more 
substantial. 

My intent has been to find a new home for the Ram but I still like it so 
much I am waffling on selling it. 

They are both fantastic bikes, fit well and are a joy to ride. The only 
other bike I have had that compares in ride quality to these two is my 68 
Schwinn Paramount, and I've owned a few lugged steel bikes over the years. 

Cheers

James 

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 12:10:46 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Very nice bikes.  Is the Ram a 650B conversion?  With the setups so 
> similar, how do the 2 bikes compare in ride qualities?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 10, 2020, at 10:54 AM, MoVelo > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello everyone. Thought I jump in here and post pics of my two Rivendells. 
>
> One a Legolas purchased from a list member a few years ago. 
>
> Also my Ram. Please excuse the tires as I am awaiting some new skins.
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:29:13 PM UTC-6, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[MoVelo]

Bill

I bought my Legolas second hand so not sure if it is Waterford or 
Nobliette. How can I tell the difference?

thanks

James Poulson

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:20:46 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> When I got my Nobilette Legolas, I asked myself "why don't they have Nobi 
> build the Roadeo also?"  I don't think Waterford has historically treated 
> Rivendell all that well, and I try to avoid Waterford Rivendells for that 
> reason, purely spite.  I'll seriously think about upgrading my Waterford 
> Roadeo to a Nobilette Roadeo.  Let me know if you are dying for a 59.  I'd 
> pay $1000 for the karma upgrade, so $1800 shipped for my Waterford Roadeo 
> frame fork and chris king headset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Y'all:
>>
>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>> So there ya go!
>>
>> All good, right?
>>
>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seen on My Instagram: My new 57cm Legolas Frameset

[MoVelo]

Stem envy!

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 5:45:06 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Hopefully a Instagram Link to Rivbike's feed 
> 
>
> Roman and I both ordered 57cm Legolas framesets at the same time.  
> Nobilette built them up, and they arrived from paint yesterday.  Mine is 
> the purple one, and Roman's is the matte coral one.  Roman's was already 
> built, so I even got to test ride it.  I'm pretty excited.  Build 
> documentation forthcoming, rest assured. 
>
> Yes, that's a custom Nobilette threadless stem, colormatched to my 
> frameset.  The color is "amethyst smoke".  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Blu Ram

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$800.00 Frame only.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 3:57:09 PM UTC-6, MoVelo wrote:
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> I am wanting to gauge interest. Will send pics to those interested. 
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[RBW] FS: 58cm Blu Ram

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I am wanting to gauge interest. Will send pics to those interested. 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Redo

[MoVelo]

Ken

Thank you for sharing you labor of love. Having gone thru a similar process 
I can fully understand the hard work, frustration and dedication it took 
you to get to the beautiful result. 

Enjoy the fruits of your labor .

James Poulson
Kansas City, MO

On Friday, December 6, 2013 1:12:53 AM UTC-6, Ken Yokanovich wrote:

 Sometimes projects drag on a bit longer than desired. This one started in 
 July and the whole assembly and final parts selection is still in process. 
  Impatient, I threw on some parts so that I could get it out during the 
 Thanksgiving weekend for a bit of a ride.  Glad I did because the weather 
 has now turned to full winter, 0 degrees right now and a good amount of 
 snow on the ground.

 I had Eric Noren at Peacock Groove add a kickstand plate and mid-fork 
 braze-ons in early July. I also had him face the dropouts and all of the 
 braze-ons with stainless washers. Realizing that I had precious little time 
 to get a paint job on it in time for a late July tour, I gave it a REALLY 
 ugly rattle can paint job at the time so that I could go on RAGBRAI.

 Over the period of August and up until Thanksgiving I took my time and 
 attempted to do a better job with the paint. I have a much greater 
 appreciation for just how difficult it is to paint a bicycle!  I had high 
 aspirations for fancy paint work and contrasting headtube. Reality sunk in 
 quickly and I justified the single-color decision.  I figured that by the 
 time I get racks, fenders, and all the parts mounted there will be enough 
 going on that one color might be best anyhow. :)

 2 coats of primer, 3 base coat, and several clear. Enough clear over the 
 decals to make them almost smooth with the surface of the paint.   I ran 
 out of paint and then out of clear... My outdoor paint booth was subject to 
 occasional moisture issues and had very limited hours of operation as the 
 days grew shorter this fall.  Then cooler temperatures complicated the 
 difficulty of getting the clear to flow out smoothly. I ordered my paint 
 through AutomotiveTouchup based on the color of an automobile. The color 
 didn't turn out 100% the way I had envisioned.  I was hoping for more of a 
 black-cherry color, but the red-color only shows up in the sunlight.  Other 
 times and lighting it almost looks like a green or blue.

 Lots of sanding, wet sanding, then polish to get me to the point where I 
 am quite pleased with the results. Pics or it doesn't exist, right...? 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/ 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/

 -- 
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 Roseville, MN


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[RBW] Re: Bay Area bike tour write-up and photos

[MoVelo]

Jim 

Thanks for the wonderful pics and post. A trip like that has been on my 
bucket list for some time now. Kudos to you for doing it and reporting it. 
I look forward to more posts. 

By the way, I was unaware of being able to ship bikes via Amtrak. I have 
taken the train to the Emeryville station with bikes along, then on the 
ferry across the bay and so forth. 

I think you are riding a Surly on that trip. Is that right?

Again, thanks for the great post. 

James Poulson
Kansas City, MO

On Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:44:40 PM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Part 1


 http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/01/san-francisco-area-bike-adventure.html?m=1


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[RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

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Has anyone had success with Foss tubes against goatherds?

On Jan 21, 1:47 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Today I pulled my Rivy down from the hook and find the rear tire flat.
 a 
 href=http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/6733538469/in/photostream/;Yep,
 another goathead. /a I don't know how often this happens, but lets
 just say I've gone through a 100 pack of Rema tubes in the last few
 years! So I'm kinda' considering going tubeless with this bike. Sun
 CR-18 rims and 35mm Paselas. I have my 29er set up that way and love
 it, but have Stans rims etc.

 Any experiences positive or negative with a set up like this?

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 Redlands, CA

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