[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Platypus Frameset, 55cm, “Lime Olive”

[Nathan F]

Bumping this down to $1150 shipped ($1100 for local pickup).

On Monday, 16 October 2023 at 16:47:50 UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

I’ve decided to sell my 55cm Platypus from the original run in the “Lime 
Olive” color.

There are maybe 600 miles or so on the frame. I’m only selling it because I 
don’t have anywhere to store it after a recent move. Bummer! Here's how I 
built it if you're looking for some inspiration 
<https://www.instagram.com/p/CS8TfJZLcPT/>.

It’s in overall great shape, with some very minor cable run on the NDS 
headtube, and some minor marks from a bike rack on the DS seat-stay and 
mid-stay. No dents or anything major. As I exclusively ran it singlespeed, 
the chain stay and hanger are in perfect shape, though the inside of the 
dropouts are a little marked up from fiddling with the ENO hub.

BB/seatpost/headset are included, as are “The Platypus Care Guide” and the 
accompanying documentary DVD Riv gave away. I think I even have the 
original paint covers for the canti-studs, but will need to look around for 
them.

Pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/9AD7Twu 

I am asking $1250 net to me shipped from Austin, TX (or free local 
delivery!). 

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Platypus Frameset, 55cm, “Lime Olive”

[Nathan F]

 

I’ve decided to sell my 55cm Platypus from the original run in the “Lime 
Olive” color.

There are maybe 600 miles or so on the frame. I’m only selling it because I 
don’t have anywhere to store it after a recent move. Bummer! Here's how I 
built it if you're looking for some inspiration 
.

It’s in overall great shape, with some very minor cable run on the NDS 
headtube, and some minor marks from a bike rack on the DS seat-stay and 
mid-stay. No dents or anything major. As I exclusively ran it singlespeed, 
the chain stay and hanger are in perfect shape, though the inside of the 
dropouts are a little marked up from fiddling with the ENO hub.

BB/seatpost/headset are included, as are “The Platypus Care Guide” and the 
accompanying documentary DVD Riv gave away. I think I even have the 
original paint covers for the canti-studs, but will need to look around for 
them.

Pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/9AD7Twu 

I am asking $1250 net to me shipped from Austin, TX (or free local 
delivery!). 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Nathan F]

Just to put the final nail in the Platypus tire clearance debate's coffin: 
I'm running the same 2.2" tires as Ray Varella, tubeless, and they fit 
great with plenty of mud clearance. I'm not going to take a picture, you'll 
just have to believe us! Those Herse tires are the perfect Platypus tires 
for mixed surface riding. 

Personally, I'd only get a Gus / Susie if I absolutely *needed* a big MTB 
tire. That would be riding trails, and by that I mean single track, not 
unpaved paths and gravel roads, 95% of the time. 

If you'd only like a 2.2" max, get a Platypus or a Clem!

Nathan in pdx 
On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 18:22:22 UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread.   Laura, our stories are similar and I 
> was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago.  We are the same age.  Feel free 
> to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story.
>
> Background:
> In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you 
> bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, 
> until it got stolen in 1990.  Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a 
> mountain bike with wider tires.   It was perfect for the poorly maintained 
> streets of the city,  and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted 
> to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain 
> bike as a road bike.   The search was on and I found Rivendell and this 
> group.
>
> I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted.  I tested a Cheviot, a Sam 
> Hillborne, an Atlantis.  I asked the people on the list.   Someone 
> suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode 
> with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years.  That was an investment that 
> bought me more joy than I imagined.
>
> I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the 
> Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work.  I was 
> in cycling heaven.
>
> Then, the Platypus happened.  I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike 
> a few years into the future.   I heeded the groups advice:  If you see a 
> bike you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available 
> when your time frame comes.
>
> As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never rode 
> the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I ride 
> MUPS and paved trails mostly.
>
> Executive Summary:
> Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the 
> bike is available.  Listen to your heart.
>
> I bought the Platy because it was available "today,"  even though my time 
> frame was three years out.  I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, 
> because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed 
> paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.)   If you want a mostly road 
> bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more 
> aggressive tires will fit the bill.  If you want more of a bike that goes 
> on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. 
>
> Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might 
> be back in stock.   Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, 
> much is out of their control.  I think I waited about 9 months past the 
> expected due date of my Platy.I see the Suzie/Platy as very 
> complimentary bikes, much more so than my AHH/Platy.  BTW, if you want one 
> bike and don't mind a diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth 
> considering.
>
> Here's the good news:  With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice.  You 
> could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on 
> a used one someone else is selling.  
>
> I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it.
>
> Roberta
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
>> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a 
>> kid!
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say 
>>> or do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no 
>>> standard at all ! 
>>>
>>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>>> response to musing about the Susie being 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Nathan F]

Eric,

Sach's decade long waiting list is a recent invention from frame building's 
explosion in popularity around the late 00s / early 10s. It wasn't always 
that difficult to have him build you a bike.

In the 90s I believe he designed some lugs for Rivendell, and then later 
made 3 frames or so for them when they were shopping around for builders? 
Not so sure on the numbers for that second part, but I know they didn't use 
him much. 

Nathan

On Sunday, 28 November 2021 at 08:07:58 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had a 
> long waiting list?
>
> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
>
>
> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  
>> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
>> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
>> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
>> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
>> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
>> started. 2005 or so?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
>>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
>>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this 
>>> thing. 
>>>
>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
>>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
>>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back 
>>> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
>>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
>>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>>
>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
 between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
 Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
 ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
 custom 
 is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice work, Jason!
>
> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
> a 
> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>
> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
> only ever seen two of them. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>> the 
>> MIT batch rolled in?  
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
>>> to go 
>>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited 
>>> to 
>>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most 
>>> part, 
>>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>>
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain 
>>> (Expedition? 
>>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the 
>>> Road 
>>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>>
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I 
>>> welcome 
>>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you ma

Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Nathan F]

That Bleriot is a total write off unless you know how to weld and want a 
big project. The cost of repairing it would easily get you a new Riv!
On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 06:58:53 UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> I wouldn’t trust that Bleriot to make it across the English Channel…
>
> Thanks,
> -Brendan Willard
> Owner/Winemaker
> Phantômé Cellars
>
> phantomecellars.com 
>
> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>
> On Jun 26, 2021, at 5:52 AM, Justin Kennedy  wrote:
>
> 
>
> $299 bent and banged up Bleriot frame. Can’t imagine it’s rideable or even 
> remotely safe? 
>
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bop/d/new-york-rivendell-bleriot-frame-fork/7341873581.html
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 9:21 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Atlantis
>> 58cm
>> $3200
>> Atlanta, GA
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284347264210
>>
>> Sam Hillborne
>> 61cm
>> $2500
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/walnut-creek-rivendell-sam-hillbourne/7341501214.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rack mountable UBS lights

[Nathan F]

Kushan,

Most USB lights won't natively mount to your rack, and those that do (like 
the Blue Lug Koma on Crust Bike's webstore) are daytime safety blinkers, 
not serious headlights. To use something bright enough to actually 
illuminate things, you'll need to use an adaptor like the Paul Gino or 
Problem Solvers Braze-On Light Mount.

- Nathan in pdx
On Tuesday, 1 June 2021 at 19:51:44 UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> Does any have recommendations for a decent rack mounted USB light? My rack 
> 
>  
> has braze-ons for mounting lights but finding lights for them is proving to 
> be harder than I thought. Most USB lights 
>  on 
> the market seem to have clip-on, handlebar type of the mount. 
>
> I don't ride much in dark but like to have non-fancy but good (200 lumens 
> or more) USB lights on me just in case. I currently use handlebar-mounted 
> ones but starting to run out of HB real estate and would like to move the 
> lights to the front rack.
>
> Best
> Kushan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Nathan F]

It's been nice seeing everyone get their frames, both here and on 
Instagram. Lots of great builds so far and plenty of inspiration for how 
I'll route the rear cantilever on mine. Seems I'm not the only one who 
wanted to use cantis!

Yesterday the front rack came in for mine... now all that's left are the 
rims and frameset! Pending any further delays, I should be riding my 
Platypus in about 5 weeks or so.

On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 11:15:47 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Wow, Kai, where was this? How exciting!
>
> Yes, Bones, great bike and tell us how your wife reacted when you 
> surprised her with it.
>
> Tom - this is your first Rivendell, yes? How soon can you build it and 
> tell us all about it?
>
> I love this thread. It makes me happy every single day.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Not my bike, not his bike, but a fine bike.
> and check out that Cherubim out back!! 
> If this is your bike, I made him show me and pose with it...
> -Kai
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 6:32:59 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 4AFE365B-C68C-46F4-A214-CAF3AF3A5949.jpeg]It’s going to be your 
>> turn! It’s finally 2021 and January is the month of the mixte, or so the 
>> Riv site says. I’m really excited to see everyone’s new bikes and how each 
>> one is set up. Did anyone get a Platypus voucher for a Christmas present? 
>> Or maybe no excuse was necessary - you’re just getting it. What do you have 
>> in mind for your new bike? Commuter? Adventure bike? Rambler? Errands? 
>>
>> You’re in for such a treat. The bike is light, fun, gorgeous, and very 
>> capable. I can’t wait to hear your news and see your photos. If you’re on 
>> Instagram, Rivendell has an official hashtag for us to use: #rbwplatypus. 
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Nathan F]

Agreed Jason, I never get tired of seeing them. I had no clue there were 
any Sage Hillbornes left, and am glad to see one built up like that. It's 
where I think mine will eventually end up.

For some reason, don't ask me why, to my eye the sage green Sams look 
especially good built up with no fenders and with black knobby tires (like 
above). Riv used to have one built up like that on the landing page of 
their old site. Perhaps thats why I'm so attracted to them? Who knows, but 
they look GOOD!
On Saturday, 17 April 2021 at 14:12:11 UTC-7 domjona...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Just picked up my new Sam Hillborne, so I thought I’d share! 
>
> Hope everyone is having an awesome Friday! 
>
> [image: 51100360789_38148b7d2c_o.jpg]
>
> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 9:07:30 PM UTC+9 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> I have inverted mustache bars on my Ram.  Looks nice and feels good .
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 10:16 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
>>
>> Inverted Billie Bars! Solves the reach problems I had with moustache 
>> bars but still gives me that lovely forward hooks position that makes 
>> moustache bars so great. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 16 April 2021 at 10:15:50 UTC+8 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice Brendon. What bars are those?
>>> Thanks. 
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 10:02 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I finally got all my parts for my 'Picnic Bike' build and managed to get 
>>> it all together last weekend. Only done a few short test rides and cannot 
>>> wait to ride it all this weekend! So excited!
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Nathan F]

I've got a 55 in the Lime-Olive headed my way! 

Unfortunately my rims are ~8 weeks out, which'll mean putting the frame on 
ice for a bit until they come in. Sure wish I ordered those sooner! I'll do 
a full build post once I'm all done. In the meantime, I'm excited to see 
what people who aren't named Leah have to say about the bike, though I can 
confirm her enthusiasm helped me pull the trigger.
On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 19:20:49 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Lol, you guys. A high compliment. But does this mean I’m also to blame for 
> the shortage? Double-edged sword...
>
> It’s a great bike. A bike that is so beautiful and so smart that it could 
> sell itself. Congratulations, Rivendell! You have a winner. Let’s hope 
> another batch is in the works. 
>
> Anyone else remembering that Rivendell had Platy forks that they were 
> making into a Rosco model identical to the Platys? Hope is not lost! 
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Haha, I was half-surprised when I found the website had not crashed at 
> 12:05.  And I would put a bet that at least 10% of the sales were a direct 
> result of Leah's enthusiasm for the bike!  
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:45 PM David Lipsky  wrote:
>
>> Not a bit, nooo! She’s too busy grinding out miles with hers!
>>
>> I picked up a small order at RBWHQ yesterday and asked Will if their 
>> server might melt down today and he said something to the effect of: ‘Yeah, 
>> probably.’
>>
>> 8^}
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:22 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Could Bicycle Belle Ding Ding have anything to do with the enthusiasm for 
>> this bike?  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have we ever seen anything like this? Does anyone remember a bike 
>>> selling this quickly?
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> That was pretty nuts. 60s remain at the moment 
>>>
>>> 3:01 50cm mermaids sold out
>>> 3:03 50cm lime olive sold out
>>> 3:05 55cm mermaid sold out
>>> 3:07 55cm lime olive sold out 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:15:41 PM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
 Heather Hayes, my receipt said the same thing.  I wanted the MERMAID 
 but it auto purchased the Lime/Olive.  We'll see what happens.  I clicked 
 as fast as I could on the dot!


 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:10:20 PM UTC-4 Heather Hayes wrote:

> I clicked purchase on the 50cm in Mermaid, but my receipt says 
> Lime-Olive. :/ If anyone had the opposite problem, please let me know if 
> you'd like to trade! :) 
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:06:10 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> When I was chatting to James & Grant about mine they said I could do 
>> a 50 or a 55. My PBH is 81cm, 5'7", ride a seat at 72cm.
>>
>> You might be in luck.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:03:49 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>> oh my... 50-cm Platypus Mermaid is sold out before 3:02pm (EDT). I 
>>> missed out... 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:43:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Your wish appears to have been granted. The Platypus page now says 
 $1650. 


 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:12:03 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:

> Or as my brain wakes upmaybe the price hike is an April Fool's 
> joke? Wishful thinking?
>
> Jonathan P.
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:10:36 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>
>> While I still think $1800 is a very fair price, I think the 
>> reasoning in the last minute change is a bit suspect. Grant's Blahg 
>> has 
>> said since 3-4 weeks ago that they knew frames would cost more than 
>> other 
>> models, hence the $1600 price tag vs $1500 because the Platypii cost 
>> an 
>> extra $100 to make. 
>>
>> From Platy Page:
>>
>> "It costs $100 more than our other lugged bikes, because it costs 
>> us about $80 more. For that $100, at least for this first run, we 
>> include a 
>> wonderful DVD on the platypus, filmed (naturally) in Australia by an 
>> award 
>> winning duo of biologists and platypus-lovers."
>>
>> But, I do know in the current supply chain environment that 
>> import taxes/tarriffs are surprising some brands causing them to 
>> bump up 
>> the price. Also, with the pent up demand of the bike world and RBW 
>> in 
>> particular, I am sure these will rightfully all be sold today! 
>>
>> Jonathan P.
>> Seattle, WA
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 6:35:05 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> T

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Nathan F]

What handlebars are people thinking of running? I'm between quite a few at 
the moment and am having trouble making up my mind: Albatross, Billie, 
Osprey, Granola, Ahearne, Jones Bend, phew, that's a lot. 

I thought to look at Cheviot builds for inspiration, but it seems like 95% 
of those frames ended up with albatross bars (including my partners!).

All I know is I'm *not* a Bosco person. 
On Wednesday, 24 February 2021 at 20:26:26 UTC-8 Ray Varella wrote:

> What happens next is dependent on a multitude of factors. 
> If everything on the container is Riva’s, they will receive a sealed 
> container. 
> How soon is hard to say. 
> The ports are still very backed up. 
> When a ship is up to the dock to be unloaded there are cranes and huge 
> forklifts involved in unloading and staging containers. 
> Everything on the manifest is catalogued and it’s location is marked. 
> Different cargo has different priorities, some based on whether people 
> will die without it or whether a premium was paid to give it priority. 
> Since this ship is in L.A. I’m assuming it is at the port of Long Beach, 
> that’s the busiest port on the west coast. 
> We also don’t know if that container will be dispatched by truck from L.A. 
> or get put on a rail car. 
>
> If it gets dispatched by truck then Rivendell or their agent will make 
> arrangements for it to be picked up. 
> I don’t go to Long Beach but I’m near the Port of Oakland often enough to 
> know that on any given day there are hundreds upon hundreds of trucks lined 
> up to pick up containers and that doesn’t include the companies who have 
> their own fleet working out of the terminal. 
> The rail yards aren’t quite as congested and they turn containers around a 
> bit faster but it still has to get processed through the port and clear 
> customs before it gets put on a rail. 
>
> UPS has their own rail yard in Richmond/San Pablo but I would seriously 
> doubt that a container originating in Taiwan would be handled by them but I 
> don’t know anything about Riv’s operation, just general freight. 
>
> At some point someone will likely deliver a container to Walnut Creek. 
> There’s no loading dock there so my guess is they do a live hand offload 
> and the driver either gets to back into their little obstacle course or 
> he/she will get to back out when they are done. 
>
> In addition to the ports being backed up, their are tens of thousands of 
> trailers of freight waiting to move around the country. Weather has stalled 
> tons of shipments and there is a nationwide shortage of drivers. 
>
> When they tell you it’s their best guess, that’s exactly what it is. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 12:43:45 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> You know what I want to know? What happens next. 
>>
>> It seems to me that with this Platypus we have been let in on the secret 
>> workings of things at Rivendell. I haven’t been around as long as many of 
>> you, but I don’t remember being let behind the scenes like we have been 
>> with this model. 
>>
>> We started with the drawings of the Anniversary Mixte, which then morphed 
>> into a “fancy Cheviot” which then became the Platypus. It was an 
>> interesting evolution, and fun to speculate over. Until this bike, I didn’t 
>> know what color tubes were, but Will is holding them in the sunlight in 
>> Blilver and Limolive on the product page and now we know how Rivendell 
>> judges color samples. We were provided the tracking for the cargo ship, the 
>> Unicorn, so we could watch the bikes’ arrival to American shores. And...now 
>> what happens next?
>>
>> The ship is “at anchor” near LA. Does it have to sit out in the harbor 
>> until it takes its turn at the dock? Who fetches the cargo? UPS? How long 
>> does it take for cargo to make its way to Walnut Creek? And when it 
>> arrives, how soon can it be sorted and sent out to PlatyPeople? 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Ride for Fun  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> From Taiwan to Japan is a lot faster & easier than to the US.  
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 1:08 AM Michael Baquerizo  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a product person - it's wild that Blue Lug is getting these frames 
>>> and releasing them into the wild before Riv has a chance to. I know how 
>>> laissez faire Grant is and all, but still wild. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-5 BrettG wrote:
>>>
 New bluelug shop tour video shows the limolive frame:
 https://youtu.be/Jr9PZtHnYUg?t=1220

 On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:55:40 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

>
> For those wanting to keep tabs on the shipment:
>
>
> https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/YM-UNICORN-IMO-9462732-MMSI-416464000
> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 6:45:51 PM UTC-6 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> Will sent out an email a little over an hour ago detailing items back 
>> in stock, things of interest and goings on at RB

[RBW] Re: FS: Stuff! For cyclists! For... you?

[Nathan F]

Dos Eno and GRX crankset are spoken for. Everything else still up for grabs!
On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 11:00:48 UTC-8 diekaiser wrote:

> Hey Nathan. Shot you a PM about a couple of items :)
>
> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 4:09:59 PM UTC-8 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> Hi all, as I’m stuck indoors due to snow and ice here in PDX (don’t 
>> worry, I did get out for a ride) I’ve decided to get rid of a few things 
>> that I have laying around. Some Riv-ish, some not as much. Please shoot me 
>> a message if you’re interested in anything. Prices include shipping, I 
>> accept Paypal and cash via carrier pigeon. 
>>
>>- White Industries 16T Freewheel. OK condition, some installation 
>>scars but not too much wear on the teeth. $50. 
>>- White Industries DOS ENO 17T/19T 2-speed Freewheel. OK condition, 
>>just like the last. Installation marks but little wear on the teeth. $65. 
>>- White Industries MI5 Front Hub, polished silver 32H. Purchased 
>>mid-2019, in good shape. Certainly less than 1000 miles on it. Selling 
>>because I upgraded to a SON dynamo. Slight marks in the spoke holes from 
>> a 
>>wheel build, as you’d expect. $90. 
>>- Shimano DH-3N72 32H Silver Dynamo Hub. Perhaps the standard dynamo 
>>around these parts, this one is brand new in the Shimano box as I ended 
>> up 
>>with SON. $75. 
>>- Paul Components Gino light mount in silver (not polished). Nice 
>>little light mount, I’ve upgraded to a rack mounted dynamo set up and 
>> thus 
>>won’t be needing this guy any more. $20.  
>>- Brooks B-17S “Ladies Standard” brown saddle. Basically new, no wear 
>>on it at all. The intended rider didn’t want to deal with breaking it in 
>>(can’t blame her!). $90. 
>>
>>
>> OK now here’s the more off-beat stuff:
>>
>>- Dura Ace FC-7710 Track crank, 170mm, in silver. This one’s a long 
>>shot sale, but perhaps someone’s looking for a very nice crank. And I 
>> mean 
>>very, very nice--this thing's gorgeous. Brand new in box, never 
>> installed. 
>>$350. 
>>- GRX Di2 1x rear derailleur. Brand new in box. $275.  
>>- GRX RX810 40T 175mm Crankset. Brand new in box. $200.
>>
>> Always happy to answer any questions about anything above. 
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Stuff! For cyclists! For... you?

[Nathan F]

 

Hi all, as I’m stuck indoors due to snow and ice here in PDX (don’t worry, 
I did get out for a ride) I’ve decided to get rid of a few things that I 
have laying around. Some Riv-ish, some not as much. Please shoot me a 
message if you’re interested in anything. Prices include shipping, I accept 
Paypal and cash via carrier pigeon. 

   - White Industries 16T Freewheel. OK condition, some installation scars 
   but not too much wear on the teeth. $50. 
   - White Industries DOS ENO 17T/19T 2-speed Freewheel. OK condition, just 
   like the last. Installation marks but little wear on the teeth. $65. 
   - White Industries MI5 Front Hub, polished silver 32H. Purchased 
   mid-2019, in good shape. Certainly less than 1000 miles on it. Selling 
   because I upgraded to a SON dynamo. Slight marks in the spoke holes from a 
   wheel build, as you’d expect. $90. 
   - Shimano DH-3N72 32H Silver Dynamo Hub. Perhaps the standard dynamo 
   around these parts, this one is brand new in the Shimano box as I ended up 
   with SON. $75. 
   - Paul Components Gino light mount in silver (not polished). Nice little 
   light mount, I’ve upgraded to a rack mounted dynamo set up and thus won’t 
   be needing this guy any more. $20.  
   - Brooks B-17S “Ladies Standard” brown saddle. Basically new, no wear on 
   it at all. The intended rider didn’t want to deal with breaking it in 
   (can’t blame her!). $90. 


OK now here’s the more off-beat stuff:

   - Dura Ace FC-7710 Track crank, 170mm, in silver. This one’s a long shot 
   sale, but perhaps someone’s looking for a very nice crank. And I mean very, 
   very nice--this thing's gorgeous. Brand new in box, never installed. $350. 
   - GRX Di2 1x rear derailleur. Brand new in box. $275.  
   - GRX RX810 40T 175mm Crankset. Brand new in box. $200.

Always happy to answer any questions about anything above. 

Nathan

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[RBW] Re: FS - Small bits and Heron Poster

[Nathan F]

Message sent on the poster! 

On Sunday, 20 December 2020 at 20:16:37 UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hi folks
> Posted this on ibob list and a couple of items claimed - if you read ibob 
> list too. See attached pdf for photos
> Heron Poster  -$30 shipped. Has a light brown stain in upper left corner, 
> don’t understand it since it has been stored in a tube for o’ these many 
> years. Photo shows faded colors, it is not.
>
> Deda stem – $15 shipped.  10 cm, 26.0 clamp diameter with removable plate. 
>
> Downtube boss Shimano cable stop / adjusters with M4 button head allens - 
> $10 shipped
>
> Eagle Creek Messenger Bag “Matrix Krypton” - $20 shipped.  6” w x 10” h x 
> 13” across. 
>
> Top flap covers 80-90% of bag side-release closure buckles under the lower 
> edge of the flap so it won’t snag on something; face of outside of pouch 
> with a zippered mesh pouch and open pouch and pen/pencil slot;  zippered 
> pouch on outside of flap with plastic key clip inside;  inside  zippered 
> pouch and padding to the back (outside) for small laptop;  8” deep open 
> side pouch on each end water bottle size;  outside back with s10”x8” pouch 
> (opposite of inner laptop pouch) Velcro closure on top pouch zipper opening 
> at base.  Hard neoprene covered webbing for a handle, padded shoulder strap 
> 2” “seat belt” webbing with cam lock adjuster on one side. 
>
> Mike San Luis Obispo CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Nathan F]

Interesting points all, and thanks to Ian for linking that (secret? I could 
only find it via search) in-progress webpage. I too am hoping for shorter 
chain stays, Grant comparing it to the Hillborne/Homer is good news in that 
regard. After some further reflection the one thing I'm not a huge fan of 
is the name. Is "Roaduno" supposed to be a play on "Roadini?" Maybe it's 
that any name is going to fall flat when compared to Platypus?

Robert, 120mm is great because of all the existing wheelsets available. 
After the fixie craze a decade a go high-quality track parts are CHEAP. 
Modern rims and spokes built up by a competent mechanic won't have any 
issues. So I think they made the right call there. Not to mention 120mm is 
10mm lighter than 130mm 😉

I'm really tempted by this one. A month ago it would've been an easy 
purchase but I acquired a free White eccentric hub the other day and the 
financially prudent thing to do would be to install it on my '18 Hillborne. 
That's not quite as fun though, you know? 
On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 21:29:10 UTC-8 Robert Hakim wrote:

>
> I’m curious why they went/will go with a 120mm spacing. Correct me if I’m 
> wrong, but it seems like 130 would allow for a larger variety hub options. 
> In theory, wouldn’t a 130mm SS-specific hub have slightly wider flanges 
> thus allowing for a stronger wheel build?
>
>
> -Robert
> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 9:23:32 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> I'd like a Lime Olive one. Single top tube? Probably. Sloping top tube? 
>> yes, since there are only 4 sizes. Rebirth of Roadini? It is a Roadini 
>> version of the canti-Romulous. Long wheelbase? hope not. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA 
>>
>> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 7:08:16 PM UTC-8 robert.har...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Was there a picture I missed? I am super excited as a QB 
>>> ownerclearance for 50s!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Berkeleyan  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> How will it be different than a QuickBeam? That's more of a rhetorical 
>>> question, maybe just asking what was there to improve on a QB that a R1 
>>> will get right? My 66cm QuickBeam (Orange) already has *adjustable* wheel 
>>> base, is fully lugged, and has proved versatile enough for a loaded S24O, a 
>>> 55 mile Brevet, all my local grocery shopping and restaurant dinner takeout 
>>> pickup. I know, it's just the RBW "way" for bike models (apart from 
>>> Atlantis) to have limited runs, frames that carry their cachet for 
>>> years/decades beyond their end-of-run date. I'm  never letting go of my QB, 
>>> but I hope the R1 is an awesome frame that sells like begeezus.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> p.s. It took me a while to get the new sticker - "nothing" is greater 
>>> than a bicycle!
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 5:01:25 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fingers crossed that they'll make a big one...
>>>> ..any color will do
>>>> -Kai
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 6:03:18 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From today's BLAHG:
>>>>>
>>>>> "1. *RoadUno,* a onespeed derailerless country-kind of bike (not 
>>>>> modeled after a track bike). For pavement, town, commutes. It's not a 
>>>>> trail 
>>>>> bike. You can ride it on dirt and gravel roads, but it's kind of rude to 
>>>>> ride it on hilly and rough trails. More on it way below."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds great. I'm praying for purple (no grey or RBW Blue, 
>>>>> please--sorry but they use 'em too much) and v-brakes. Based on the name 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> think the latter is unlikely : (
>>>>>
>>>>> - Nathan in PDX
>>>>>
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[RBW] ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Nathan F]

>From today's BLAHG:

"1. *RoadUno,* a onespeed derailerless country-kind of bike (not modeled 
after a track bike). For pavement, town, commutes. It's not a trail bike. 
You can ride it on dirt and gravel roads, but it's kind of rude to ride it 
on hilly and rough trails. More on it way below."

Sounds great. I'm praying for purple (no grey or RBW Blue, please--sorry 
but they use 'em too much) and v-brakes. Based on the name I think the 
latter is unlikely : (

- Nathan in PDX

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Nathan F]

Seems like they cleaned it up a bit and added compass tires and wipers (the 
ones in the original listing look like they were dry rotted and no good). 
Wouldn't be surprised if there was some other mechanical issues that needed 
sorting. Should move quick in a hot market like SF!

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/seattle-nitto-rack-front-campee-34f/7244039700.html

this looks to be a pretty good deal, for anyone in the Seattle-area. 
Especially if you could get them down to under $100.
On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 04:07:29 UTC-8 belopol...@gmail.com wrote:

> I was right..was a list member's friend for $1300, now is being sold for 
> more. No harm in that, just nice to see I'm not making things up. 
> https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/D-1QK_YHusI/m/0i2Pi-_QCgAJ
> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 7:04:40 AM UTC-5 i wrote:
>
>> This Ramouillet is super nice, IMO. Always wanted one of these. I think 
>> this may be a list member?
>>
>> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 12:57:07 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rambouillet 
>>> 56cm 
>>> 1600 
>>> San Francisco, CA 
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-rambouillet/7244497149.html
>>>
>>> [image: 00V0V_1RM8VFJP7kp_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Nathan F]

Beautiful bike Leah! Glad to hear you're enjoying it so far. My one 
aesthetic suggestion, from someone who owns the same high-polish rims--peel 
off the stickers! The font on them is so aggressive for some reason. If I 
remember correctly they come right off with minimal residue. Then they'll 
really shine (in every sense)!

nathan in pdx

On Sunday, 29 November 2020 at 07:31:39 UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Marvelous,  simply marvelous !!!
>
> Happy for you and look forward to future reports. 
>
>
> Congrats on the 3000 mile goal...way to go Leah!
>
>
>
> Paul in Dallas 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Nathan F]

We're basically just bickering at this point but I can't help myself... the 
suspension posts posted on eBay above are all awful compared to the market 
leading suspension posts from Cane Creek and the like. They're not even 
really the same thing from a functionality perspective. Linking to them is 
a total straw man. 

Cane Creek's design has been around for 20+ years, and is a well proven, 
tunable, and serviceable technology. Lots and lots of people love them and 
I suspect that's what OP was hoping to use.
On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 09:52:58 UTC-8 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:

> My bad, the Op did ask about suspension posts. Someone else asked about 
> dropper post. Still, it does make you wonder what Grant is thinking going 
> to a 26.8mm seatpost on his frames?! 
>
> Good Luck!
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:53:01 AM UTC-8 Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>> The question I have is are these "suspension" post that you refer to the 
>> same a dropper post that he OP is seeking?!  The dropper post is the latest 
>> thing for gravel/mtbs as it allows you to adjust the saddle height with the 
>> press of a button. These posts aren't cheap a they start at like $200 and 
>> go up! I think Sram's wireless post is $800+
>>
>> Good Luck! 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a bunch of 26.8 suspension posts on eBay 
>>> <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=26.8+seat+post&_sacat=0&rt=nc&Seatpost%2520Type=Suspension%2520Seatpost&_dcat=58101>
>>>  
>>> right now. Should last a lifetime of Rivs!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 6:48:44 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Tubing diameter and thickness generally dictates seat post size. 
>>>> In that sense, the sizing is part of its functionality. A 26.8 seat post 
>>>> size is not exactly unusual, and before 27.2 became dominant, was fairly 
>>>> common. I have several bikes, other than my recent Rivs, that use this 
>>>> size. 
>>>>
>>>> If you want a cheap but good one, you can get a Kalloy Uno 
>>>> <https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> If you want a middle range, you can get one from Dajia Cycleworks(note 
>>>> most sizes currently out of stock).
>>>>
>>>> If you want blingy dingy doo, you can get a Nitto 
>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/collections/seat-posts/products/nitto-s83-seat-post-26-8-or-27-2>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> There are many vintage 26.8 seat posts available on eBay, including 
>>>> Campy 
>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-Nuovo-Record-Seatpost-26-8-1980-s/174534355105?hash=item28a30ee8a1:g:jRIAAOSwpVxfvWOq>
>>>>  
>>>> (though these tend to often be short) .
>>>>
>>>> Or use the seat post included with all Rivendell framesets.
>>>>
>>>> Before we pile on too heavy, I don't see it as a dying, esoteric size 
>>>> at this point.
>>>>
>>>> The OP wants to run a suspension post due to medical issues. Running a 
>>>> suspension post, which are of questionable value in my experience (but 
>>>> obviously not for the OP), is what is unusual, not the seat post size.
>>>>
>>>> I think there are probably ways (though perhaps pricey) to have your 
>>>> cake and eat it too. For that you might need to go custom, as I pointed 
>>>> out 
>>>> above. Since Thudbuster makes specialty seat posts while Riv makes 
>>>> standard 
>>>> bicycles, it would make more sense to complain to TB and try to convince 
>>>> them there is a market for 26.8 suspension seat posts. 
>>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:51:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't seatpost diameter dictated by tubing choice? That said, I agree 
>>>>> that 26.8 is less desirable given supply than 27.2.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 10:19 AM Nathan F  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was also disappointed to learn my Hillborne used a 26.8. What a 
>>>>>> frustrating choice, since seat post diameter is one of the few things in 
>>>>>> the bicycling industry that is *almost* standard nowadays (ignoring 
>>>>>> the sizes in use on modern MTB, plus all the proprietary crap). The

Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Nathan F]

Meanwhile .0004% of bicycles (Rivendell's contribution to the ~100,000,000 
that are produced every year) come with 26.8 lol

On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 11:15:20 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> Modern mtbs have really coalesced around 30.9 or 31.6 seat posts. A few 
> are bigger are smaller, but I’d guess 80% of new mountain bike have one of 
> these two sizes. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I would argue that ignoring modern MTBs and "all the proprietary crap" is 
>> a long way from establishing there is a standard seatpost size in the 
>> bicycle industry. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:19:49 AM UTC-8 Nathan F wrote:
>>
>>> I was also disappointed to learn my Hillborne used a 26.8. What a 
>>> frustrating choice, since seat post diameter is one of the few things in 
>>> the bicycling industry that is *almost* standard nowadays (ignoring the 
>>> sizes in use on modern MTB, plus all the proprietary crap). Then here comes 
>>> Riv using something else! And instead of picking a size with some sort of 
>>> tangible benefit, they picked a seemingly random one used infrequently 3+ 
>>> decades ago. It's a bit eye-rolling, really, for all of Riv's talk over the 
>>> years bemoaning the fickleness of the industry they then spec the 
>>> strangest, most hard to find post diameters (30.0 on a custom?? Really? I'd 
>>> return it!).
>>>
>>> Here's a controversial statement: being the only frame manufacturer 
>>> using a dead/rare post size is almost no different than using a proprietary 
>>> seat post. 
>>> On Wednesday, 25 November 2020 at 22:05:42 UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr The Snag, I am very interested in seeing your mountain mixte with 
>>>> the dropper post. I think droppers are better than bread; it’s a shame 
>>>> Rivendell specs pinner seat posts.
>>>>
>>>> Philip
>>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:48:56 PM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. It was quite the chore to put a dropper post on my Mtn mixte. 
>>>>> Funny how that .4mm makes such a difference in options.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
>>>>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:38:51 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. 
>>>>>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, 
>>>>>>> well then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good 
>>>>>>> gets, 
>>>>>>> and I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim 
>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>> my Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While what you said about the Nitto S83 is arguably true, the OP was 
>>>>>> lamenting that he couldn't use a suspension seatpost he likes that is 
>>>>>> only 
>>>>>> available in the much more common 27.2mm size. No S83 is going to 
>>>>>> replace a 
>>>>>> suspension seatpost if a suspension seatpost is what you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nevertheless, vintage U.S.E. suspension seatposts do occasionally 
>>>>>> become available on eBay. I don't know if those are adequate 
>>>>>> replacements 
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Nathan F]

I didn't try to establish there is a standard seatpost size, I said* almost 
*standard ; ) How about this phrasing: there are only a few sizes in broad 
use today and the most common one is 27.2.

Ignoring that part of what I said, my point still stands. Using weird old 
sizes like Riv does reduces options for customers and is a dumb idea!
On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 10:24:06 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I would argue that ignoring modern MTBs and "all the proprietary crap" is 
> a long way from establishing there is a standard seatpost size in the 
> bicycle industry. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:19:49 AM UTC-8 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> I was also disappointed to learn my Hillborne used a 26.8. What a 
>> frustrating choice, since seat post diameter is one of the few things in 
>> the bicycling industry that is *almost* standard nowadays (ignoring the 
>> sizes in use on modern MTB, plus all the proprietary crap). Then here comes 
>> Riv using something else! And instead of picking a size with some sort of 
>> tangible benefit, they picked a seemingly random one used infrequently 3+ 
>> decades ago. It's a bit eye-rolling, really, for all of Riv's talk over the 
>> years bemoaning the fickleness of the industry they then spec the 
>> strangest, most hard to find post diameters (30.0 on a custom?? Really? I'd 
>> return it!).
>>
>> Here's a controversial statement: being the only frame manufacturer using 
>> a dead/rare post size is almost no different than using a proprietary seat 
>> post. 
>> On Wednesday, 25 November 2020 at 22:05:42 UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> Mr The Snag, I am very interested in seeing your mountain mixte with the 
>>> dropper post. I think droppers are better than bread; it’s a shame 
>>> Rivendell specs pinner seat posts.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:48:56 PM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. It was quite the chore to put a dropper post on my Mtn mixte. 
>>>> Funny how that .4mm makes such a difference in options.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
>>>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:38:51 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>>>> NY wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, 
>>>>>> well then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good 
>>>>>> gets, 
>>>>>> and I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim 
>>>>>> on 
>>>>>> my Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> While what you said about the Nitto S83 is arguably true, the OP was 
>>>>> lamenting that he couldn't use a suspension seatpost he likes that is 
>>>>> only 
>>>>> available in the much more common 27.2mm size. No S83 is going to replace 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> suspension seatpost if a suspension seatpost is what you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless, vintage U.S.E. suspension seatposts do occasionally 
>>>>> become available on eBay. I don't know if those are adequate replacements 
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Nathan F]

I was also disappointed to learn my Hillborne used a 26.8. What a 
frustrating choice, since seat post diameter is one of the few things in 
the bicycling industry that is *almost* standard nowadays (ignoring the 
sizes in use on modern MTB, plus all the proprietary crap). Then here comes 
Riv using something else! And instead of picking a size with some sort of 
tangible benefit, they picked a seemingly random one used infrequently 3+ 
decades ago. It's a bit eye-rolling, really, for all of Riv's talk over the 
years bemoaning the fickleness of the industry they then spec the 
strangest, most hard to find post diameters (30.0 on a custom?? Really? I'd 
return it!).

Here's a controversial statement: being the only frame manufacturer using a 
dead/rare post size is almost no different than using a proprietary seat 
post. 
On Wednesday, 25 November 2020 at 22:05:42 UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Mr The Snag, I am very interested in seeing your mountain mixte with the 
> dropper post. I think droppers are better than bread; it’s a shame 
> Rivendell specs pinner seat posts.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:48:56 PM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:
>
>> Yes. It was quite the chore to put a dropper post on my Mtn mixte. Funny 
>> how that .4mm makes such a difference in options.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
>> CA wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:38:51 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, 
 well then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good 
 gets, 
 and I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim on 
 my Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)
>>>
>>>
>>> While what you said about the Nitto S83 is arguably true, the OP was 
>>> lamenting that he couldn't use a suspension seatpost he likes that is only 
>>> available in the much more common 27.2mm size. No S83 is going to replace a 
>>> suspension seatpost if a suspension seatpost is what you want.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, vintage U.S.E. suspension seatposts do occasionally become 
>>> available on eBay. I don't know if those are adequate replacements though.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Nathan F]

I take this auction and similar, like a used mug that went for $55 a month 
or so ago, as proof Riv needs to revive some of their accessory lines. 
People want the stuff (myself included) and I know the margin is there to 
make the endeavor worthwhile. 

On Saturday, 21 November 2020 at 09:13:41 UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

> $81, Wow is right.  
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline  
> wrote:
>
>> I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many 
>> years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got 
>> lots of beausage, too!).
>>
>> George in NoCal
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard 
>>> would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few 
>>> stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional 
>>> for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a day 
>>> left--late Saturday Night hammer.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in 
> the house too long 😳
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly 
>> Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
>>> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
>>> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 
>>>
>>> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this 
>>> amount on eBay. 
>>>
>>> John jo...@rivbike.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
>>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>>
 So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
 . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell 
 cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added 
 up 
 and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at 
 $51 
 plus $3.95 for shipping.

 Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about 
 it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's 
 *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to 
 bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly 
 wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in 
 different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Nathan F]

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/d/hillsboro-rivendell-quickbeam/7232115283.html

64 cm Orange Quickbeam up in Oregon. Wish this was a 56--if anyone has one 
of those, I'll take it!!

On Sunday, 15 November 2020 at 10:41:21 UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Bleriot 
> 56cm 
> $1750 
> San Francisco, CA 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-bleriot-56cm/7231075137.html
>  
>
> Atlantis 
> 64cm 
> $1400 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/santa-rosa-rivendell-atlantis-64cm/7228859887.html
>  
>
> Rambouillet 
> 64cm 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
> $1200 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/santa-rosa-rivendell-rambouillet-64cm/7228859985.html
>  
>
> Atlantis 
> 59cm 
> $3000 obo 
> Grand Rapids, MI 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/133575416958 
>
> Clem Smith Jr. 
> 59cm 
> $1200 
> Indianapolis, IN 
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7230856237.html
>  
>
> Sam Hillborne 
> 59cm 
> $2150 
> Indianapolis, IN 
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7220601239.html
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
>> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
>> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
>> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
>> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>>
>> 61cm Roadini
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>>
>> 58cm Quickbeam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>>
>> 52cm Clementine
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>>
>> 65cm Redwood
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Nathan F]

Here's a link to my '18, if anyone needs inspiration!

https://i.imgur.com/qYhzcom.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Nathan F]

>
> I've used the same wheels off road with some violence
>
 
Ha! What a great description. Regarding the Clipper, supposedly it is the 
same mold as the Sugino, so they should be identical. 

The Atlas and the A23 are the same price, except a set of A23s are 3/4 lb 
lighter. If you want classic looks get the Pacenti Brevet which is 
basically the same weight as the A23. Dyads or cliffhangers are more 
appropriate if they'll be doing heavy duty (or off-road) touring. I just 
really don't see the appeal of the Atlas, beyond that Riv sung it's praises 
over a decade ago. 

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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Nathan F]

Hello fellow Sam owner! Lots of good advice has already been offered in 
this thread. 

I have an '18 in the same color, but with canti brakes. It was my first 
build as well, and I blinged out whenever and wherever possible. Retail 
cost of the build was ~$5000. White cranks and hubs, polished Velocity 
Quills, Paul brakes, Nitto finishing kit, etc., and I can say the only 
things that were "worth" it were the brakes. I'm very happy with the 
Pauls--if you can get the centerpulls they make to work on your bike, I'd 
recommend them. For the crank, order one of the "Clipper" sets from Riv or 
Soma. They're such a great deal.

My big advice to you is regarding the wheels. It's hard to recommend a set 
without knowing your weight. I know the Riv crowd loves the Atlas, but it 
is an incredibly burly rim that you likely don't need. A23s or Quills are 
the better all round rims for most people. Pacenti and HED are nice as 
well. Assuming you're <300lb and not doing heavily loaded touring, 32H 
front / rear should be the MAX spoke counts you need.

Wheels are a real sticking point for me because the general advice on here 
can be quite dated. When Riv-built Rivs come into the shop I work, they are 
frequently the most overbuilt bikes I've ever seen. We're talking a 100lb 
woman riding 36H touring wheels for riding in the city when they could 
easily, and safely, be on 24H cyclocross race wheels. Onetime someone had a 
bike that, again, they were just riding in the city (no loaded touring) 
with a 42H rear wheel. It's utter madness. Once you add in the propensity 
for Riv owners to ride terrible tires--I've been so happy to see Riv 
overhaul their tire program--these bikes end up not being as fun to ride as 
they should be. 

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[RBW] Re: How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[Nathan F]

To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit on 
my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on the 
rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to prevent 
warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go much 
bigger. 

- Nathan

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Re: [RBW] Re: 58cm Quickbeam build

[Nathan F]

Beautiful quickbeams, everyone. I've always wanted one... unfortunately, I 
was 10 years old when they were produced. I have no doubt if Riv released 
this model without tinkering with it (especially in orange), they'd be able 
to sell at least a hundred through preorders.

Miles, I think I sort of know the person who helped you with that bike. 
You're in the bay area right? I'm a 56, and the orange/canti is my favorite 
model so you'd ever like to sell it I'll happily buy--name your price!

Nathan
On Friday, 23 October 2020 at 08:05:42 UTC-7 Andrew Stevens wrote:

> Miles,
>
> My PBH is 88, and I think im running 75/76 saddle height. A 60cm QB would 
> be tall but doable with 35s and fenders, but with 48s would be a bike I 
> would be scared to ride anywhere other than the flattest smoothest 
> pavement; I had a 62 double TT Joe for a bit and had to fall off the bike 
> sideways to avoid a bruised pubic bone.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:26 AM Miles  wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, what’s your PBH and saddle height? I’m at around 87 but 
>> run my saddle around 76, and am wondering if I could fit a 60cm QB with the 
>> tire size maxed out. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-7 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>>
>>> Glad to get all the QB love on this thread!
>>>
>>> Patrick: Its a WI 19/21t dingle-cog, and either a 42 or a 38 in the 
>>> front. I'm running the 21 in the rear and can stay seated on all the climbs 
>>> on my commute. Last night I fit +/-100oz of carbonated beverages in the bag 
>>> with no wonkiness, but I think the bag volume would max out before the 
>>> weight became an issue. 
>>>
>>> Eamon: I took a photo of the decaleur for you. A very simple one made 
>>> for a custom Cooper (PDX) frame I inherited. It sandwiches in the headset.
>>>
>>> Miles: It looks like we are about the same size! I would be happy to 
>>> have the extra standover height with a 56, but I also wanted to set it up 
>>> like a cruiser, so I went with the 58. Im sure you'll find one, and then 
>>> you can have 1 in both sizes like I want
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3012.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:29 AM milessc...@gmail.com <
>>> milessc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 The timing of your post is pretty wild: I wanted to post about a 
 Quickbeam I just acquired as well! I was very lucky to find this one 
 through a friend of a friend etc, and bought it as a complete. Although I 
 love piecing together bikes and making them my own, what I like about this 
 one is the part selections (minus the saddle) are all artifacts from when 
 the bike was sold. It is in immaculate condition.

 The seller listed this as a 58 but I discovered quickly after it was 
 delivered to me that it's actually a 56. It fits me, but more like a race 
 bike would which is antithetical to Riv's philosophy and therefore feels a 
 little sacrilegious. My obsessive nature is fixated on the notion that a 
 58 
 is a better size for me, but I think that for now I just need to let that 
 go and enjoy the ride. That said, I hope you get years of enjoyment out of 
 that 58!

 From one new QB owner to another, cheers,
 -Miles

 [image: IMG_1539.jpg]

 On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:31:05 AM UTC-7 Andrew Stevens wrote:

> Just finished this old Panasonic QB
>
> 58cm Boscos
> Phil high flange front and rear to 36h Dyads and a Phil bb
> Paul Neo-Retros and levers with salmon Kool-Stop pads (naturally) 
> 48mm Supple Vitesse in the 50mm dimpled stays
> White Industry dingle-cog
> Nitto rack with Tall Acorn VO bag 
> and an old 2-nut CK headset that I'm going to replace with a gold IRD 
> or an old Shimano 105 (I like contrast)
>
> ATMO this bike doesnt get the same cultish praise as other Rivs, but 
> is contextually the pinnacle of GPs unique design/fabrication, in league 
> with the XOs and his early 650b bikes. Track bike spacing but with 
> dimpled 
> chainstays, proprietary dropouts to accommodate brake placement when 
> changing gears mid-ride: he was solving problems no one knew we had. 
> Granted, they were problems he created, but the reverse engineering is 
> what 
> makes some of his bikes so unique. 
>
> Regardless, I've wanted one of these since I was a 21 year old fixie 
> kid in 2007, and truly for the first time ever, a bike lives up to all of 
> the expectations I placed on it. It's found it's forever home.
>
> Andrew in Austin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for in house bike stand/holder

[Nathan F]

What we use at my shop: 
https://designbydelta.com/collections/bike-racks/products/adjustable-floor-stand

I love the adaptability of it, literally and bike will work. We've used 
them for road and (increasingly) full suspension e-mtbs, which are 
extremely heavy. I've also found it to be the easiest rack to take bikes 
out of and correspondingly put bikes into, it only takes a second. You can 
also chain them together with an optional attachment to make a custom rack 
that'll fit all of your bikes.

-Nathan in pdx

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

[Nathan F]

I had the same issue when setting up my girlfriend's Cheviot last year. She 
runs the Silver 34/24 crank set up with a 9 speed drivetrain, set up with 
trigger shifters. At first I tried a cheap triple, which didn't work as 
well as I'd have hoped (would've been fine if run friction). Then a Sora 
double, which didn't work at all (unique pull ratio, again would've been 
fine if run friction). 

Eventually I settled on a 10-speed Deore XT FD-M785. It works perfectly, 
and I found the "low clamp" much easier to set up than other styles, as the 
clamp is below the small chainring. Yes it's not an elegantly forged piece 
of art, but hey it's got a silver cage and the uglier bits are hidden 
behind the crankset.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Nathan F]

This change baffled me too, when I was buying my 2018 (in 2019, the last 
one Rivelo had) it was a huge deal for me. Glad to see another run of them, 
in my eyes the Hillborne is the last holdout of the more "traditional" Riv 
designs that ended a few years ago.

On Saturday, 5 September 2020 16:12:03 UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The original Sams had cantilever brakes; why did Rivendell switch to 
> calipers? It seems to me that the Sam is the sort of bike -- allroad or 
> country bike -- that obviously needs cantilevers (or V brakes; heck, for 
> that matter discs, if Rivendell used discs; just not calipers) for tire and 
> fender clearance.
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 3:37 PM Joel > 
> wrote:
>
>> The new ones are canti’s I think? Did Riv make other changes? 
>>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: 55cm Canti Sam Clearance?

[Nathan F]

The new Sams will have canti posts, and will come in "rbw blue" and "dark 
gold" according to Golden Pliers' most recent IG story. You could probably 
shoot them an email asking about the exact frame spec!

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Canti Sam Clearance?

[Nathan F]

I run 43mm Gravelkings on my 55 canti sam w/fenders and they fit fine. I 
think the 50mm would probably squeeze in (assuming they are a slick tire, 
and not knobby), but you'd be leaving very little room for any debris. That 
might be an issue if your wheel is ever slightly out of true or dish. And I 
probably wouldn't ride off road with them.

There hasn't been word about whether the new run of Sams will be identical 
to the last. The current trend seems to be more and more clearance in each 
model year, so you may be in luck.

Nathan in PDX

On Wednesday, 26 August 2020 07:55:02 UTC-7, Andrew Nussbaum wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I am slowly coming to the realization that my 58cm Toyo Atlantis might be 
> a smidgen too large for me. So I am considering buying one of the run of 
> Sams that are coming this fall if they have canti posts. My hope would be 
> to largely swap over all of my Atlantis build to the Sam (and selling the 
> Atlantis frameset here). One question I have is about tire clearance. Riv 
> says  that the 700c 55cm Sam fits 
> 47mm tires, but I would like to squeeze in my 50mm Gravel Kings. Has anyone 
> had success with getting slightly larger tires onto their Sam?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Nathan F]

What excites me is that it's a 650b Hillborne... perhaps a production 
sample from the upcoming release? That'd be cool to see!

Nathan in PDX

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[RBW] Re: Paul Mini Moto brakes

[Nathan F]

I forgot to mention--they are very, very easy to set up. Much less 
frustrating than a normal v-brake, which aren't very frustrating at all! I 
especially like that no screw drivers are required, just a 5mm  allen and a 
15mm wrench.

Just remember they are short pull, so you'll likely need to replace your 
Appaloosa's levers as standard v's are long-pull.

On Sunday, 26 July 2020 10:25:37 UTC-7, Nathan F wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I have mini motos on my Hillborne and they work extremely well. They'll 
> work with most tire sizes (I run 43mm Gravelking SK tubeless), but do not 
> play that nicely with fenders. The cable on mine runs very close to / on 
> top of my SKS fenders. 
>
> There are photos online of people running the cable UNDER the fender which 
> seems crazy to me. I say go over, and if it eventually rubs through the 
> plastic fender years down the line, who cares.
>
> Nathan in PDX
>
> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 09:02:10 UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> Has anybody used Paul Components Mini Moto brakes and if so, how did you 
>> like them?  How big of a tire can you use with them?  I had a V-brake break 
>> on my Appaloosa and am looking at a replacement and these look pretty cool 
>> and easy to setup/use. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Paul Mini Moto brakes

[Nathan F]

Ryan,

I have mini motos on my Hillborne and they work extremely well. They'll 
work with most tire sizes (I run 43mm Gravelking SK tubeless), but do not 
play that nicely with fenders. The cable on mine runs very close to / on 
top of my SKS fenders. 

There are photos online of people running the cable UNDER the fender which 
seems crazy to me. I say go over, and if it eventually rubs through the 
plastic fender years down the line, who cares.

Nathan in PDX

On Sunday, 26 July 2020 09:02:10 UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Has anybody used Paul Components Mini Moto brakes and if so, how did you 
> like them?  How big of a tire can you use with them?  I had a V-brake break 
> on my Appaloosa and am looking at a replacement and these look pretty cool 
> and easy to setup/use. 
>
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for wet fall

[Nathan F]

Andrew,

Blundstones perform better than they have any right to while riding. Get 
some wool socks (and if it's really cold, their shearling footbed) and 
you'll be all set!

Plus they're trendy right now and are worth +15 on any Instagram post you 
make : )

Nathan 

On Wednesday, 22 July 2020 18:36:34 UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> *TL;DR: Looking for a shoe that'll last a long time during the rainy 
> seasons or when water in your shoes is inevitable. *
>
> My rides usually include a couple creek crossings and come the rainy 
> seasons, I'm guaranteed to get wet feet. 
>
> Summer's covered with bedrock sandals. Winter's covered in that I avoid 
> getting wet on top of cold at all cost. But does anyone have any 
> recommendations for spring/fall wet-condition riding shoes? 
>
> I usually ride sambas but man does water quickly wreck them...not to 
> mention the god-awful squishy feeling when water's down in there that 
> simply doesn't go away. Other thoughts are some sort of camp moc. Might 
> still be squishy but my hunch is the leather will last a lot longer than 
> typical synthetic shoe materials. Or heck are water shoes a thing among 
> cyclists? 
>
> Happy to hear any recommendations, and if it's simply a 'deal with it' 
> situation, that's fine too. 
>
> - Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Nathan F]

Oof. Really wish that was up here in Portland! 

Here's a custom that just popped up on ebay. Decent parts kit, but most 
importantly great tire clearance and cantis : )

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Custom-Lugged-Nitto-Brooks-Shimano-Touring-Randoneering-Sugino/174356535993?hash=item2898759ab9:g:awkAAOSwMVRfFmMC

On Monday, 20 July 2020 19:39:45 UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Here’s an updated listing for the Quickbeam: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7159184472.html
>  
>
> It looks like a 56 to me, not a 58. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Single-speed country bike(?)

[Nathan F]

Still in the works, but there have been no updates, and no pictures... all 
we know is that the idea exists. As I understand it, the bike is on the 
back burner for a bit.

On Saturday, 27 June 2020 14:02:48 UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> I seem to recall a mention of a single-speed country bike in the works, 
> but can't for the life of me find the thread. It may have been a few months 
> ago.
>
> Anyhow, is that the case, or strictly fanciful? I'm generally out of touch 
> with RBW news these days...
>

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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[Nathan F]

I have a 18' Hillborne running 43mm Gravel King SKs, set up tubeless on a 
Velocity Quill wheelset (with SKS fenders!). Great tires, I like the ones 
with a little extra puncture protection as well. They're good for 
everything but mud.

You could also look at options from WTB, Bontrager (GR1/GR2 Team Issue), 
Schwalbe (g-one), and Rene Herse. Surly has some cheap options but since 
you spent $$$ on a Riv don't cheap out on tires like a lot of people seem 
to.

On Thursday, 30 April 2020 11:31:58 UTC-7, greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
> Hello, I've been a lurker for a good bit, my name's Scott.
>
> In the process of spec'd out a build for a 2019 Sam that I picked up from 
> a list member recently.
>
> Wanted to know if anyone had any experience running Bruce Gordon Rock n' 
> Road tires on a Hillborne? 
>
> Pro's, Con's? 
>
> Will be riding gravel roads, roads, and hopefully trails.
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Nathan F]

I have a beautiful set of the polished quills on my Sam (mated to polished 
WI hubs)  and they have been just fine, which is a good thing. I think rims 
are one of those things you only really notice if they're bad. The Quills 
are packed with modern tech (wide tires and tubeless ready) and are fairly 
lightweight, which is why I recommend them to people.


On Friday, 3 January 2020 18:50:04 UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
> wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  
>
> I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
> narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
> lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
> loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
> " 
> started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
> (what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
> Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
> running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  
>
> I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
> 55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Quills?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 on a Roadini?

[Nathan F]

Not on a Roadini, but on I run 1x11 on my Hillborne. The two should be very 
similar to set up. Setting it up was the same as any other bike except 
easier, because I didn't have to fiddle with Shimano's new 11 speed front 
derailleur designs.

Mine is an Ultegra RX rear derailleur (the one with an optional clutch) 
paired to a white industries crank, which work nicely together. 11-34 in 
the rear and a 38 up front suits me well most of the time. I'll spin out 
downhill going ~30 mph, and I can climb most things. WI cranks are awesome 
because you can basically get any tooth count you want, so if I ever want 
to go slower / climb more, I can make the swap quickly and relatively 
cheaply ($75). Not to mention they are square taper compatible and come in 
silver...

If you want even more gears, check out Shimano's new GRX line. That'll run 
a 40 up front with an 11-42 mountain cassette on the rear, and the 
derailleur works with 11 speed road shifters.

On Monday, 25 November 2019 11:08:39 UTC-8, Robert Gardner wrote:
>
> Is anyone running a 1x11 on a roadini? Thinking of building one for some 
> centuries and/or light rando rides. Wondering if anyone has done this and 
> has any tips. 
>
> Yes, I know, compact doubles and/or 2x is kind of standard. Let me live my 
> life people! 😊 
>
> Thanks ahead of time — 
>
> Rg 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 on a Roadini?

[Nathan F]

Not on a Roadini, but on I run 1x11 on my Hillborne. The two should be very 
similar to set up. Setting it up was the same as any other bike except 
easier, because I didn't have to fiddle with Shimano's new 11 speed front 
derailleur designs.

Mine is an Ultegra RX rear derailleur (the one with an optional clutch) 
paired to a white industries crank, which work nicely together. 11-34 in 
the rear and a 38 up front suits me well most of the time. I'll spin out 
downhill going ~30 mph, and I can climb most things. WI cranks are awesome 
because you can basically get any tooth count you want, so if I ever want 
to go slower / climb more, I can make the swap quickly and relatively 
cheaply ($75). Not to mention they are square taper compatible and come in 
silver...

If you want even more gears, check out Shimano's new GRX line. That'll run 
a 40 up front with an 11-42 mountain cassette on the rear, and the 
derailleur works with 11 speed road shifters.

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless with fenders on a Cheviot?

[Nathan F]

Going tubeless won't affect tire clearances, if the tires fit with tubes 
they'll fit with sealant. To that end, you'll be happy to hear I just put 
together a 50 cm 650b Chev with SKS P50s and 43mm Fairweather tires and 
everything fit well. 

Good luck with your install!

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[RBW] Re: Build + Small Ride Report: Testing out my new Hillborne!

[Nathan F]

Thanks all! So far I've been loving it and plan on riding it for a long 
long time. Maybe not in its current drop-bar configuration, but in *some* 
configuration. I built up a Cheviot in the same color for my partner with 
albatross bars, and man are they comfy. I'm hoping to put a pair on in the 
future.

Cleaning it up in the shop afterwards was fun. I basically brought part 
some of the forest home with me!

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[RBW] Build + Small Ride Report: Testing out my new Hillborne!

[Nathan F]

Hello all! I recently purchased my first Rivendell, the last 55cm Hillborne 
in sage green from Rivelo, and have been loving it. Everyone’s builds here 
have been a huge inspiration and I’ve learned a lot reading this group the 
past few months, so I figured I’d share my build and a mini-ride report. 


Roman’s Hillborne build was really inspirational, including his use of 
black components which y’all don’t use too often. The cockpit is Nitto with 
Paul Mini-Moto brakes, a White Industries crankset, and Ultegra brifters 
paired to an RX derailleur. Wheels were built by me and are soon to be set 
up tubeless: 32H White Industries Mi5 laced to polished Velocity Quills, 
with 43mm Gravelking SK+. I totally forgot about fenders in my initial 
parts order, but the rainy season has started so I snagged a pair of P50s 
and am currently installing them.



It might need a shorter stem because the reach with the noodles is quite 
long, and I hugely underestimated the length of the technomic and should’ve 
gone with a Pearl. The steerer tube likely needs to be cut for aesthetic 
reasons. And I could see myself buying a dynamo setup sometime soon…. but 
other than those very minor issues it’s all done, and I'm loving it : )


To break the bike in, I took in on a nice stroll through Forrest Park here 
in Portland. Initially I had planned on doing a harder, much more intense 
ride in the park but my stomach was not up to it and I returned home. I 
went back the next day to do this ride, which at 40 miles door-to-door and 
2000 ft of climbing is much more relaxed. It’s really beautiful out there 
now that the rainy season has begun. The ground is softening up and it’s 
getting cold and moist enough in the park that you can see your breath in 
the air. I bet it’d be even nicer in the early morning. If you’re ever in 
Portland and have time for a ride, I’d recommend it. And if you’re in 
Portland and haven’t done it, what are you waiting for! Get out there!




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