Re: [RBW] Rambouillet Fender clearance

[Rene Valbuena]

thank you.


-Original Message-
>From: CycloFiend 
>Sent: Sep 23, 2010 9:19 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [RBW] Rambouillet Fender clearance
>
>on 9/23/10 6:20 PM, Rene Valbuena at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> please give me the link to the rbw literature. i have a 50cm rambouillet and 
>> i
>> want to know the maximum tires i can use if i have to install fenders.
>
>http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer
>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet Fender clearance

[Rene Valbuena]

please give me the link to the rbw literature. i have a 50cm rambouillet and i want to know the maximum tires i can use if i have to install fenders.
-Original Message- From: Bruce Sent: Sep 23, 2010 5:01 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Rambouillet Fender clearance 


As an update, the RBW literature on the bike says, "38c tires or 35c with fenders thanks to the "standard" reach brake spec..."
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Re: [RBW] FS: Paul Racer brake caliper (new) -- $75

[Rene Valbuena]

is this a pair?


-Original Message-
>From: Adam Kimball 
>Sent: Sep 20, 2010 2:16 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] FS: Paul Racer brake caliper (new) -- $75
>
>Trying this again..
>
>Brand new Paul Racer brake caliper of the center-mount variety.
>Silver -- regular polish.  Cheap way to get into a center-pull brake -
>get one now, and get one later.
>
>$75 or best offer.
>
>-Adam
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Re: [RBW] how to measure Nitto model 136AA

[Rene Valbuena]

Thanks.


-Original Message-
>From: CycloFiend 
>Sent: Sep 13, 2010 9:19 AM
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>Subject: Re: [RBW] how to measure Nitto model 136AA
>
>on 9/12/10 9:57 PM, Rene at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>> I need help. How do you measure the size of Nitto Randoneur model
>> 136AA? When the size says 42, does it mean the width of the top or the
>> flared drop? I read it somewhere but I forgot.
>
>You should confirm that with whomever is doing the measuring.  Riv states
>that they measure in this manner:
>
>"All of our drop bars are measured the same way: Center of the curve to
>center of the curve. The normal way is center of the end to center of the
>end. We measure center of the curve to center of the curve because our drops
>have a slight flare below the curve, and measuring the ends would give a
>false impression of the width you'd actually feel. It's not complicated: If
>you're a small woman, order a 41; medium woman or small guy, get a 44;
>average guy, get the 46; big strong guy, the 48."
>
>BUT! That doesn't mean it's a standard method...
>
>- Jim "measure twice, order once."
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

[Rene Valbuena]

I also prefer the B17 over the Pro on bikes with handlebar on level or lower
than the saddle. The Pro model seems to be stiffer perhaps not because it
has thicker leather but because of its narrower design. I don't have a
Swallow but I think the reason it is more pleasant on the butt is that it is
longer than the Pro and B17.

On B17s, I noticed that the standard model has a little more flex or bounce
that I find more pleasant. But I cannot resist the allure of the bigger
copper rivets on the champion special model. So I have both the standard and
the champion special.

But on bikes with handlebar which make you more upright riding, I like the
aged special model B68. 

-- Rene

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Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:20 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: B17 vs Team Pro... any direct comparison wisdom?

I'm surprised to see the comments to the effect that the Pro is
"flatter" than the B17. I have a couple of each and find them all to
have that distinct "hammock" shape. The key differences, as far as I
can tell, are that the Pro is a narrower at the back and is made of
thicker leather. (I have one Pro that is at least 15 years old. I
periodically mount it on a bike and use it for a few hundred miles,
then take it off again, because I just can't get it to break in. I
figure it's got at least 3000 miles on it at this point, plus several
different (increasingly radical) attempts at softening it. It's still
hard as a rock and looks/feels exactly like it did out of the box.)

Overall, I just haven't had great success with Brooks no matter what I
do, for exactly the reasons outlined by James: if I get the rear
section level enough so that I'm not sliding onto the nose, the nose
is angled so steeply up that it digs into me. Lowering the nose just
causes the rear section to angle downward, sliding me back onto the
nose. Arg. Even with a two-bolt post, there is no happy medium.

For some reason, though, the Velo-Orange saddles don't do that to me,
even though they have the "hammock" shape too. Go figure. It's just
too bad the V/O saddles aren't quite as nicely put together as the
Brooks...

Noel
Orange County, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder Flickr Group

[Rene Valbuena]

how about a rambouillet with 26-inch wheels? can it be considered an 
all-rounder riv?



-Original Message-
>From: rcnute 
>Sent: Aug 14, 2010 10:18 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: All Rounder Flickr Group
>
>No justice for 700c, no peace!
>
>Ryan
>
>On Aug 14, 8:46 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> So close to fame... now just another has-been.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Marty  wrote:
>> > Yeah,, I wasn't sure if his was 26 or 700c. Sorry David - it has to
>> > go!
>>
>> > On Aug 14, 9:06 am, Mike  wrote:
>> > > This is great. I remember being anti 26 inch wheel bikes but now... I
>> > > don't know... I'm kinda down with it. I love that Surly released a 26"
>> > > version of the LHT in large sizes.
>>
>> > > I noticed you put David E's A/R in there, it's 700c.
>>
>> > > --mike
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RE: [RBW] Re: F.S. two 700c wheel sets: campy and shimano

[Rene Valbuena]

As I said, I am not familiar with campy parts. I might be wrong saying it is
ambrosio-made. I am sorry I cannot provide more information about this wheel
set. One thing I know for sure is that my son bought it online.

Thanks for your interest.

-- Rene

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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:45 AM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: F.S. two 700c wheel sets: campy and shimano



On Aug 10, 6:22 pm, Rene  wrote:
> Thank you for point that out. I added a photo of the rear hub. The
> hubs are Ambrosio-made and not by Campagnolo.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2ukz4pn
>
That's interesting. How do you know the hub is "Ambrosio-made?"
Actually, if it is about 2 years old and fits 9/10 cassettes, it look
alot like a Campy Veloce:

http://www.jensonusa.com/product/hu/HU407A14_32.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Schwinn Paramount 700c Conversion "Country Bike"

[Rene Valbuena]

Jim,

The conversion is very neat and it shows that it was well-though of. 

Rene

-Original Message-
>From: Jim Cloud 
>Sent: Aug 10, 2010 6:39 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Schwinn Paramount 700c Conversion "Country Bike"
>
>I had a post, a while back, regarding questions about the Rivendell
>Silver/Tektro R556 brakes, in regard to a 700c conversion that I was
>considering for an older Schwinn Paramount 27" wheel size bicycle.
>This isn't strictly speaking a Rivendell content post, but I think it
>has some relationship to the type of bikes that Rivendell is building,
>especially the AHH and Sam Hillborne models.  In fact, one of the
>photos on the Flickr website of Rivendell staff bikes got me thinking
>about the conversion (it was a photo of a AHH, nice blue color very
>much like this Paramount).
>
>At any rate, I'm pleased with the conversion.  The Tektro R556 brakes,
>which were originally spec'd by Grant for his Country Bikes are a
>godsend for a 700c conversion from a 27" wheel size.  The brakes work
>very well, with ample clearances to fit larger wheel sizes and
>fenders.  My Paramount is presently fenderless (and may stay that way,
>given the relative dryness of the Arizona climate) and it's presently
>fitted up with a 700x28c tire size (Panaracer Pasela) simply because I
>had those available from my personal stock.  I'm planning to fit the
>bike with the Rivendell Jack Brown Green tires, which I think are
>about as wide as I'd like to go with  Mavic MA2 rims.
>
>I posted some photos of this bike on my Flickr photostream, if you're
>interested:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/sets/72157624699133170/
>
>Jim Cloud
>Tucson, AZ .
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Re: [RBW] F.S. two Brand New Elite Ciussi Button - Alloy water bottles

[Rene Valbuena]

The bottle cages are sold.
Thank you.


-Original Message-
>From: Rene 
>Sent: Aug 9, 2010 7:53 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] F.S. two Brand New Elite Ciussi Button - Alloy water bottles
>
>I am selling two brand new Elite Ciussi Button Alloy water bottles.
>They are not what I expected. So I am selling both at their combined
>original price of $17.98. I will pay for the shipping within the
>continental USA. The link to the online store where I bought them is
>here:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/35embr8
>
>Please contact me off-list if interested. I prefer paypal payment.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Rene
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot Frameset

[Rene Valbuena]

Me too, I would like to see a photo of this frame.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Johnny Alien
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:28 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot Frameset

51 is too small for me but I would LOVe to see photos of this frame.

On Jul 5, 7:06 pm, Len  wrote:
> 51cm.  Custom dark blue metallic paint by Rivendell.  Excellent
> condition.  Ultegra headset included.  $575 plus shipping.  Pictures
> on request.
>
> Len Grossman
> S. Orange NJ

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RE: [RBW] Rivendell Mixtes

[Rene Valbuena]

David,

Your Glorious Mixte story made my day.

"The story doesn’t really have a moral except that the Glorius is a
great bike and I married wisely."  -- what a line!

Thanks,

(Another) René

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sprunger
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 7:50 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Rivendell Mixtes

René,

You asked for the mixte story, so here’s one although maybe not the
one you had in mind. When my wife and I were engaged in the mid-80s,
she volunteered that instead of an engagement ring, she would prefer a
new bicycle.  Being frugal self-sufficient graduate/medical students,
we ended up with a lower-end neon Specialized mountain bike that she
rode for some years before putting it aside for a used XO-2.

After two decades of marriage, our circumstances had changed, so for
our 20th anniversary, I bought an unbuilt Glorius frame on ebay and
built up the kind of bike I wish we could have afforded in 1987
(although such a bike was probably not available then).  The
Specialized is still in the basement for nostalgia’s sake.

Some pictures are here:
http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/glorius/

The story doesn’t really have a moral except that the Glorius is a
great bike and I married wisely.

David Sprunger
Fargo, ND


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wrote:
> I know about the Yves Gomez and the Betty Foy, but I just discovered on
> Flickr the Willbur and the Glorius. What's their story?
>
> René
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RE: [RBW] Bags FS photos

[Rene Valbuena]

Hi James,

I'll take the mini Berthoud bag if it is still available.

Rene

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Valiensi
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 11:17 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Bags FS photos

>From my previous post here are some photos of the bags FS: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624119995810/

Thanks,

James Valiensi, PE
Northridge, CA
H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796



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RE: [RBW] Re: hunqapillar 2nd top-tube angle

[Rene Valbuena]

I think it will be diagonal like the top tube of a mixte.

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Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:53 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: hunqapillar 2nd top-tube angle

I did see this. Not sure what to make of it. I actually like the way
it looks now, but it does sound really interesting. What do you think
he means? Diagonal in which direction?

On Apr 3, 9:48 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> Just noticed this latest blog post on the riv site:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/223
>
> Looks like the second TT on the hunqapillar may change to a more
> diagonal orientation.   I'm not sure exactly what that means, but if
> it's what I think it means, it will be pretty cool.

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RE: [RBW] Re: looking for thumb shifters

[Rene Valbuena]

Don't they look like the Paul's thumbies?

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:19 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: looking for thumb shifters

Not all Suntour thumbshifters use a band though, some are like this
http://www.yellowjersey.org/accusl.jpg

There's also the Sunrace and Falcon plas-tech ones.  I know . not
the quality of the vintage stuff, they are what they are :)

IRD sells just the shifter perch though too.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/ird_2090_7218166
Use barcons .

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RE: [RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

[Rene Valbuena]

This brouhaha should not have happened if RBW (and Waterford?) did not agree
to grant the request to add a DT stud in the first place. Now everybody
thought we can semi-customize the Rodeo to our liking. The coming out of the
new Paul's Racer-M further stoked this. We want to semi-customize our Rodeo
to fit the new brake.

 

If I remember it right, the Rodeo is built to the lightest configuration as
Grant "the conservative" would allow it. Thus, to save weight, even though
minimal but at least weight-saving, there will be no cantis and no DT studs.
Much like the racer road bikes in carbon, aluminum and titanium.

 

n  Rene

 

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cyclotourist
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:38 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Racer M Alive!

 

Better yet, just have the unpainted bike sent to Nobilette and have him
braze them on.  Wait time could be a hassle, but the extra shipping would
still vastly outweigh W'Ford's upcharge.  Sheesh, it's not like've never
done canti posts before.  In fact whatever set up for the first Racer posts
there is, while a pain (aren't they in the bike building business?) would be
a sales point as well.  "First in the industry to offer mounts for Paul's
Racer-M" or some such advert.

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Dustin Sharp  wrote:

I don't understand the Waterford thing either. I don't know about the stays,
but the tubes I know about on the Roadeo aren't exactly super light and
thin, unless you are comparing them to the Bombadil.

At at least as stout as the Rambo, and stouter than the Legolas, I think, at
least in the bigger sizes. They are billing it as a light, rackless, go-fast
bike, but it's still Grant Petersen conservative in its own way.

Plus, there are other light tubed bikes (Boulder Bike) where Waterford
attaches canti studs w/ no fuss.

So it would be interesting to have a better explanation for Waterford's
reticence.



 As for Waterford, that seemed to me a cop-out
> estimate, unless they can explain the issue. They can't be serious
> unless they're talking about a re-paint as well. I'm having the bosses
> put on an older frame as we speak, and the cost is more in line with
> what Joel suggested. Also agree with him on the adjustability - I have
> center mounts on a single speed that feel and work perfectly, only
> wish I had them brazed on.
>
> Marty
>
> On Mar 26, 5:47 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> Oh, and the reason I say too bad if true is that at first the word
>> from Riv was no DT braze ons for the Roadeo.  Now it is an option. If
>> demand is there, Riv may well find a way to convince Waterford the
>> folly of its ways.
>>
>> On Mar 26, 4:45 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well, that is too bad if true.
>>
>>> The Brazeons modulate better than centerposts.
>>
>>> Too strong would never be an issue.  Pauls have near infinite and very
>>> easy adjustability.  Once you get the hang of it, in a matter of
>>> minutes you can set the brakes where they will throw you over the
>>> handlebars with barely a finger twitch or so slack you need to pull
>>> the levers to the grip to slow down.
>>
>>> On Mar 26, 4:38 pm, William  wrote:
>>
 Speculating is fun, but I called and asked Keven for the answer.  I've
 talked with him a few times about a Roadeo maybe next year, so I asked
 how it would work if I wanted Paul Racer posts.  He said Waterford is
 violently opposed to posts.  He asked them previously to do it for a
 customer and they said no.  He asked more encouragingly and they
 reluctantly said "OK for $500 extra".  So, in conclusion, he said if I
 had to have them, we should pursue a Nobillette built Riv custom.  So
 there you have it.  You can't get them, but it's no fault of
 Rivendells.
>>
 Keven also pointed out all the obvious common sense things.  The
 center mount ones are already so strong, maybe too strong.   What more
 do you need?.  If they are too strong you can replace them with less
 strong center mount ones.  Having a single-source for any of your
 parts to keep your bike rideable is risky.  All correct statements.
>>
 On Mar 26, 2:15 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>>
>> There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
>> Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>>
> I have experienced original Racers in post mount and braze on.  The
> post mounts are probaby better than 99% of what is out there today.
> The Brazeons are that much better than the post mounts.
>>
> Braze on is a cleaner look and easier to adjust and maintain as well.
> Hope Riv agrees.
>>
> On Mar 26, 4:07 pm, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
>>
>> There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons.
>> Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go.
>>
>> -Gino
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1

RE: [RBW] Rivendell brings love ones together!

[Rene Valbuena]

Way to go, Manny! Lovely story and photos.

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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:05 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Rivendell brings love ones together!


Last Saturday my girlfriend and I decided to start at Bitersweet
chocolate shop and bike to Rivendell. She wanted to see what all the
hubbub was all about and why I spend so much money there. We had
beautiful weather and got lunch at the Rivendell-recommended Tulios.
She yelled at me for buying to much stuff and we were off back to
Danville. Right when we get back on the Iron Horse trial a lumber yard
explodes and we ride back with dark scary clouds in our pictures.
Funny way to make a good couple day.

Pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623615749378/with/4430630
623/

- Manny "lucky to share my hobbies with my love one" Acosta

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RE: [RBW] SKS/Berthoud fender review

[Rene Valbuena]

Thanks for sharing this. This makes my waiting for the Berthoud composite
fenders more exciting. Peter White said it will arrive tomorrow. I'm going
to use it in rejuvenating my Voodoo Loa titanium cross bike.

-- Rene


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Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:02 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] SKS/Berthoud fender review

I bought these a while back from Peter White. They are SKS plastic/
aluminium composite fenders with Berthoud aluminium single stays (the
Germans, like the Brits, write it aluminium).

I have bought nothing but SKS fenders since the early 90s, but I never
thought the stays were that great, and the quick release bracket for
the front is kinda ugly, too. (Yes, I know, safety is good, but
Berthoud and Honjo have come up with a much more elegant and
presumably equally safe solution.) Lastly, being able to mount them
without cutting the stays to size may be convenient, but uncut stays
IMHO ruin the lines of a nice bike more than anything else. So I still
cut the stays on my SKSs to size, even though sawing stainless steel
with a hacksaw is not all that much fun.

Metal fenders seemed a bit too ostentatious for my budget Sam, and I
thought I might splurge on those a couple of years down the road for a
make-over for the Sam. So the SKS/Berthouds seemed like a good
compromise between cheap/functional/quiet and beautiful.

The front fender seems longer forward of the fork crown when compared
with a regular SKS as shown on the 700C AHH on rivbike.com, and the
rear end of the front fender also looks a little longer. The rear
fender seems equally long. The longer front complements a front rack
better, and presumably better protects the front rack's contents, as
well as the feet.

Getting a good fender line with the 42mm fenders and Jack Browns took
3 spacers, as the bike can fit at least 50mm fenders and 40mm tires
(see http://tinyurl.com/yfou2ud). I also discovered that for an
optimal fender line, the spacer at the chainstay bridge should be cut
so that its back edge angles forward, allowing the fender to arch
forward as it comes away from the chainstay bridge. In other words,
the eyelet at the back of the chainstay bridge points to somewhere
below the center of the hub, because the chainstays flare vertically
from front to back where the kickstand plate is attached, angling the
kickstand plate down relative to the direction of the chainstays. I
guess this could be finessed at the factory by custom bending the
angle between the kickstand plate and the fender eyelet, but probably
not on a $1000 frame. :) Or, you could screw a long bolt into the
chainstay bridge, and pull up on the end of the bolt until it points
at the hub. But I didn't think of that till afterwards. :)

Overall I am very pleased with the clean look of the finished fenders.
If you don't cut the Berthoud stays, the install is almost as straight
forward as regular SKS fenders, and cutting the stays is actually
easier as there are only 4 total, and they are aluminium. The only
complication is that there is no bracket for the seatstay bridge,
which means that one hole *must* be drilled here (there is a pre-
drilled hole for the chainstay bridge bolt, and the front fender has
an L-bracket for the fork crown bolt). Of course, mounting the fender
to the bottom of the front rack also required drilling a hole. That
said, drilling these holes is quite straight forward if you first make
a pilot hole with a hammer and nail so that the drill bit doesn't
wander off target.

Cheers,

Gernot

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Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free

[Rene Valbuena]

Hi René,

Sorry. The mixte has been claimed.

Thanks for your interest.

-- René


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>From: Rene Sterental 
>Sent: Feb 18, 2010 8:38 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free
>
>René,
>
>I'd like to pick it up on Saturday or Sunday, when it isn't raining. I
>can't email you directly from my BlackBerry, but could do so tonight.
>
>René
>orthie...@gmail.com
>
>On 2/18/10, Rene Valbuena  wrote:
>> I have a 49cm Schwinn LeTour I am giving up for free to those who can pick
>> it up in San Jose, California. The wheels are 27" and the rear rim is wider
>> than the front by a few millimeter. It has a vintage suntour front
>> derailleur which some of you might be looking for. Please note that the pair
>> of SKS fenders is NOT included.  Here's the photo:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/schwinn4free
>>
>>
>>
>> You can email me off-list.
>>
>>
>>
>> n  Rene
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[RBW] schwinn 49cm for free

[Rene Valbuena]

I have a 49cm Schwinn LeTour I am giving up for free to those who can pick
it up in San Jose, California. The wheels are 27" and the rear rim is wider
than the front by a few millimeter. It has a vintage suntour front
derailleur which some of you might be looking for. Please note that the pair
of SKS fenders is NOT included.  Here's the photo:

 

http://tinyurl.com/schwinn4free

 

You can email me off-list.

 

n  Rene

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Re: [RBW] Re: TCO - Oh The Horror!

[Rene Valbuena]

yes, jimD, somebody who hasn't found a life since patrick moore told us to find 
one, might take you up on this and call the attention of the U.S. Consumer 
Product Safety Commission on the dangers of TCO. -- Rene

-Original Message-
>From: dpco 
>Sent: Feb 5, 2010 12:51 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: TCO - Oh The Horror!
>
>jim,
>in today's world, someone will take your statement out of context and
>display you as someone thinking that tco is deadly. all my bikes have
>"tco".
>don
>
>On Feb 4, 9:39 pm, JimD  wrote:
>> Until the recent endless discussions here concerning TCO I didn't have  
>> a clue about it.
>>
>> Now I discover that three custom bikes I've ridden and liked the most  
>> over the past 30 years have
>> all had the dreaded TCO. I'm bummed and thinking I've should have  
>> employed more competent designers.
>>
>> I guess my size 12 feet have something to do with it. That, or folks  
>> were holding out on me.
>>
>> In hindsight, I should have been more discriminating but ignorance is  
>> bliss. Maybe we can get the Consumer Products Safety
>> folks on board with this issue.
>>
>> JimD
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Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

[Rene Valbuena]

without being facetious, but wanting to pursue the proposal to the point of 
absurdity, we can limit the number of variables jim pointed out to only those 
which can be measured. let us not use the size of the shoes or even the angle 
of the foot when pedalling or heeling the pedal. so as not to have so many 
un-measureable variables -- we just use the two sizes of metal toe clip: medium 
and large; two lengths of Sugino crankarm: 170mm and 175mm; and the depth of 
the MKS touring pedal as a constant. all these components are readily available 
from RBW. the use of actual metal toe-clips is actually more appropriate, if i 
might say so.

with these measureable combinations of variables, we then plot our findings 
according to the following table which we can call MATRIX OF TCO OF RBW BICYCLE 
MODELS: For example, if an A. Homer Hilsen size 57 has TCO with the use of 
170mm crankarm and large metal toe-clip, we put an "x" under the colum "Large 
Toe-Clip Size" across A. Homer Hilsen 57.


Model Size / crank length /Toe-Clip Size170mm   Medium  Large   175mm   
Medium  Large
Roadeo 51   
Roadeo 53   
Roadeo 55   
Roadeo 57   
Roadeo 59   
Roadeo 61   
Roadeo 63 X 
A. Homer Hilsen 57  
A. Homer Hilsen 59  
A. Homer Hilsen 61  
A. Homer Hilsen 63  
A. Homer Hilsen 65  
A. Homer Hilsen 67  
A. Homer Hilsen 72  

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>From: CycloFiend 
>Sent: Feb 4, 2010 3:18 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..
>
>on 2/4/10 8:28 AM, Rene at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>> TCO is a problem to me which I have learned to live with with all the
>> Rivendell models I have owned. But this does not leave me less
>> sensitive to GP's choice of words on this matter either. I hope
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works will put out a chart or a table indicating at
>> what size(s) among their models is TCO not going to be "a problem"
>> even with a size 12 feet or shoes. Or even a smaller size if 12 is a
>> bigger average. Some may tell me that I should tell this directly to
>> RBW. But I thought since GP started this subject on this forum, I can
>> propose it here.
>
>I think GP's post was a new thread to comment about a previous thread.
>Nevertheless, I do want to remind folks that if they want to communicate
>with Rivendell on any subject, the best way if directly. (Or cc them on the
>email with a note explaining why.) This list is an "off-site" get together.
>
>Back on this subject, to paraphrase and engage in conjecture, I think Rene's
>post above gets at the crux of the issue - the significant number of
>variables in what seems a simple question.
>
>A frame that has no TCO for a rider with size 10 feet may cause problems if
>you are a size 12.  If I use a clip-in pedal system, with cleats under the
>ball of my feet, that's going to be different than if I use platforms and
>pedal with a mid-foot-centered position.  Large soled shoes?  Fitted shoes?
>Do I make low course corrections more with body english or tiller input?
>
>Clearly, for those folks to whom this is an issue, there must be a way to
>quantify it. 
>
>You could probably measure the BB to front axle distance, and see if there
>was a consistency in what size caused the issue. The variables would be
>wheel size, tire size, fender standoff (gap from tire), fender thickness,
>shoe size (literally, the materal thickness at the toe), foot position with
>relation to pedal spindle (i.e. how much "meat" is in front of the spindle,
>though you can really just combine those two variables into one), and crank
>length. But, all of those would run on the basic dimension of bb to front
>axle. 
>
>So, I get all charged up and measure this out on the Quickbeam, a 58 cm
>frame which seems to have about a 610 mm bb-front axle measurement. The
>distance from the axle to the outside of the fender is 362 mm, the cranks
>are 170 mm and the "foot protrusion" is 100 mm. Which would mean that the
>overlap is ~22 mm. 
>
>Except it isn't. I don't have any issues on that bike.
>
>And then it dawns on me that the whole thing has a 2nd dimension which
>involves (a) the arc of the front wheel and (b) the offset of foot position
>from the centerline of the bike

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

[Rene Valbuena]

I do have a life. that's why i don't reply to any all topics here;-) if grant did not start the thread, who did? isn't it if your name is on top of the topic or the first one, it is considered that you started the topic? -- rene
-Original Message- From: PATRICK MOORE Sent: Feb 4, 2010 12:13 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general.. Actually, Grant didn't start the thread.But I think it is time for other entrail readings and that we should move on to analyzing Grant's wardrobe or his deoderant or something. I don't like his haircut. Anyone else care to chime in? Christ! Let's all get ourselves lives!
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Rene  wrote:
TCO is a problem to me which I have learned to live with with all theRivendell models I have owned. But this does not leave me lesssensitive to GP's choice of words on this matter either. I hopeRivendell Bicycle Works will put out a chart or a table indicating atwhat size(s) among their models is TCO not going to be "a problem"even with a size 12 feet or shoes. Or even a smaller size if 12 is abigger average. Some may tell me that I should tell this directly toRBW. But I thought since GP started this subject on this forum, I canpropose it here.-- ReneOn Feb 3, 2:12 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:> Anne and James:>> I will readily concede that TCO not being a concern to me left less> sensitive to GP's choice of words.>> On Feb 3, 1:05 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:48 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:> > >> Those who design bicycles would be urged to consider customers like> > >> myself, recognize that TCO is an offense (however significant), and> > >> deal with it proactively, either by eliminating it, or acknowledging> > >> that it is a necessary evil (however significant) to be tolerated.>> > > Isn't that what Grant says in his post?>> > He said: "TCO ends up being a problem---in my opinion---only in> > theoretics, but not in practice.">> > For me, TCO is a problem in practice. I don't mind hearing that the> > desire for no TCO has to be balanced with other design considerations.> > I do mind hearing that what is an actual problem for me is not an> > actual problem for me.>> > --> > -- Anne Paulson>> > He who wills the ends wills the means- Hide quoted text ->> - Show quoted text ---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-- Patrick MooreAlbuquerque, NMFor professional resumes, contactPatrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com(505) 227-0523
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RE: [RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

[Rene Valbuena]

If I may give my two-cents worth: I also had some problems removing rear
wheels from bikes with metal fenders. But I learned that deflating the tires
usually does the trick. Inflating the tires again is a less hassle than
adjusting the fenders every time;-]

-- Rene

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esteban
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:24 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

Well...I *do* live in San Diego!  :)  Here's another with crap fender
lines:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3887418406/

I think the Woodys work very well.  Because they don't have a lip, they're
not going to be as effective as SKS or metal fenders in really wet
conditions, but they'll keep the stripe off your back and your bike clean in
normal conditions  They are really flexible and easy to move back if you
change gears on the QB.  I usually keep a British Dumbbell with me if I want
to move the fenders back from the stays.  I took them off because I need to
decide on a front rack (mini vs. M12) before I drill the front fender, and I
need to work on my seat-stay attachment point on the Woodys too.  If the
wood fenders are not secured at all points, they will bounce around and when
they hit the bike, sound like wooden diving boards - -bing.

I have SKS 45s on the bike right now to try them out... but they are harder
to adjust conpared with the Woodies. They *will* keep you dry.

I would LOVE to put Honjos or Berthouds on this bike... But I just can't get
my head around how I'd remove the wheel or change gears.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Jan 9, 9:45 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> But I notice that on Protorio's Quickbeam set, there are no other pictures
with the Woody's -- maybe they didn't work out.
>
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> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allingham II, 
> Thomas J
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:38 PM
> To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [RBW] Best fenders for a QB
>
> I just put Woody's fendershttp://www.woodysfenders.comon my Quickbeam, 
> and left the rear stays long so I can just pull the bottom rear of the 
> fender rearward (the wood is very flexible) to get the tire out.  Saw 
> the idea for the wood fenders to solve this problem 
> here.http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3471738520/
> Haven't tried it on the road yet, but in the garage it works perfectly.
 These fenders look really great with Riv tweed flaps, too, as you can see
in some examples on the Woody's website gallery.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of johnb
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:25 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Best fenders for a QB
>
> I have a 52cm QB that I would like to replace the current single stay SKS
fenders that don't really work with the rear wheel sliding back and forth. I
could actually go on and on about their limitations...
>
> So with the idea that the fender must be adjusted somewhat frequently to
deal with the wheel adjustments, would the two stay SKS like Riv sells be
the best choice? I am assuming that metal fenders would just suck at this.
>
> john
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RE: [RBW] velosophy

[Rene Valbuena]

Come to think of it, considering that the release date of the book is April
-- it might be an April fools joke told prematurely.

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sterental
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:30 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] velosophy

I went to RBW on Monday and mentioned the new book to Grant. His reaction
was a bit upset saying that they shouldn't have posted it since it's not
going to be available in that time frame.

To all other questions about the book he just invoked rank and number... :-)

We'll have to sit tight and wait until it finally comes out to find more
about it.

René

On 1/7/10, jim_OLP  wrote:
> I just checked Amazon and they're showing publication in April 2011.
> Not 2010.
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2:43 pm, fulf  wrote:
>> This is my first post so forgive me if this is old news. I was 
>> searching Amazon for cycling books and came across a title new to me, 
>> Velosophy by Grant Petersen being released in April. I know that 
>> velosophy is a topic on the Riv website but haven't heard about a 
>> book so titled. Does anyone know more about this book?
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RE: [RBW] Re: velosophy

[Rene Valbuena]

I'll wait for Riv to sell it.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CycloFiend
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: velosophy

on 1/3/10 6:47 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

> Somewhat surprised the Amazon site - at least at present - suggests it
> will not be available in an e-edition for Kindle.  What with all the
> grief Riv took for on-line Riv Reader, you would think a Kindle
> version a given.

That's typically the publisher's choice.  Been seeing these things occur for
my brother's (non cycling) book, and by the time the writer's done, there's
a whole lotta stuff that happens which is pretty much out of that
person's control.

The only other thing I'll mention is that purchasing it directly through Riv
may make them a little more money in the sale of each book, assuming it's
going to be a Riv product.

- Jim

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RE: [RBW] Yuba cargo bike pics

[Rene Valbuena]

Were you able to actually pedal it with that cargo?

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kip Otteson
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:40 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Yuba cargo bike pics

This post is only for those who get excited by using bikes as trucks
or SUVs.  I love this bike.  The Yuba Mundo is a wonderful machine for
anyone with a grand laying around.  The Riv connection are the John's
Irish Straps holding stuff down.  (I love those things.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39159...@n08/sets/72157623004914628/

In Thailand, where people carry ridiculous loads on all sorts of
contraptions, we got our share of stares on the main road.

My son and I dropped off the gate at the organic garden we are
building at our school.

Not a professional photographer or writer, just a dad who digs doing
bike stuff with his son, even if it's not on our Rivendells.

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RE: [RBW] State of the List - 12/12/09

[Rene Valbuena]

Jim, thank you for the site. You are doing a great job. -- Rene

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CycloFiend
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:35 PM
To: rbw group
Subject: [RBW] State of the List - 12/12/09

State of the Rivendell Bicycle Works Owner's Bunch Mailing List

December 2009 - #9


There has not been an SOTL (State of the List) Report since February, and as
we head into true winter, it seems that this is perhaps way overdue. In the
past ten months, we've added around 327 new members to this group, most of
whom probably have not seen one of these updates.

Which is not in and of itself a bad thing.  Honestly, I've been waiting it
out a bit by design, to see what happened to the tone of the conversation
without more regular reminders. I was a bit worried as we crested the 1,000
member mark, as that can be a time when everyone becomes a little bit more
faceless, which is in turn when it becomes a bit easier to crack off a more
sharply toned comment than might be necessary.

This group has been considerably narrower and more specific in nature than
others in the bicycle arena. We come here to talk about Rivendell bicycles
and the equipment they design and sell.  It's natural to put those things in
the context of "what else is available" from other manufacturers, we do run
the risk of just talking about bikes, in the general sense.

As I've said before, and at the great risk of describing this group by what
we are not, the more general we become, the less necessary we are.

That being said, it's been extremely gratifying to watch the growth of the
regional groups from within this list, where folks have coalesced into gangs
of people riding bicycles and having fun together - spreading the word of
what it is that's important.

And what is important? I'm sure it's a bit different from me to you, but
it's based on what we've practiced on this group discussion - respect,
interest in adaptable and robust bicycles, solving technical issues, sharing
knowledge and gaining riding skill. The fact this gets to be played out
against a background of beckoning roads and trails just adds to the
experience. 

Camaraderie.  The ability to find something that brings us together in
agreement.  

I'd like to thank everyone for keeping the discussions largely on track, and
for continuing to demonstrate respect for others ideas, even if they are
different. 

I said last time that it's gratifying to see everyone continuing to be
polite and respectful on this list. We're heading into the period when most
members are unable to ride, and cabin fever becomes a real issue.

In that respect, it is important as we grow to honor the relatively narrow
focus of this group, even though it's tempting to have more general topics
discussed here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect border, but one which
we've largely maintained.

As I've said before, letting discussions end as they creep toward more
general topics, not having to have the last comment (or needing to "win" the
argument) and, above all, maintaining the respect for one another within the
group is what makes this list special.

As always, thanks again for contributing to or simply enjoying the
discussions.


Projects and Features


It's been quite a year for Rivendell output, between the Hillborne, Betty
Foy and Yves Gomez, the Roadeo and a plethora of bags, racks and even rain
gear. And a brand new catalog of frames as we close out the year. (and maybe
even a pending Reader...)

The Rivendell pages of the cyclofiend.com site haven't grown exponentially
this year, but I've gotten things a bit back on track recently.  I was
hoping to get things going on the earlier models page, but the updates were
a bit sparodic this year.  I've been chipping away at things behind the
scenes on that stuff, so hopefully I can indulge in a bit of an unveiling
after the first of the year.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, the Cyclofiend.com RBW pages are
here:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw

It gets updated with various happenings, scans, images and such that get
found in the news and info flow.

I did create a "Rivendell Bicycle Owners Bunch on Facebook" page back in the
beginning of the year -

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=127003115064

I'm certainly not pushing Facebook* at all, and honestly haven't checked in
on the page for a while (113 members), and in no way do I see it as a
replacement for this group. As I mentioned, I finally signed up a year ago
for unrelated-to-bicycle reasons, and had bumped into quite a few folks
there. It seemed like it might be a useful platform for coordinating rides
in specific areas or for more quick-pinging type of communications.

*In fact, I've more or less stayed away. You can and should search about
previous Facebook issues with 

RE: [RBW] lightest rear rack

[Rene Valbuena]

You can look for the Tubus Airy in titanium. It is sometimes available in
the us through some dealers.

-Original Message-
From: jim_OLP [mailto:j...@landoloons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:16 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] lightest rear rack

Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can
find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined streets, or
crossing Mongolia solo.  I want the opposite - the lightest, least
obtrusive rack there is. The rack for minimalists.   I want to use a
"trunk' bag but I hate the look of standard rear racks that bolt on to
the dropouts, and I'm never carrying anything at all heavy.  Ideally I
want something about 1/3 that weight and complexity.   What is out
there?

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Re: [RBW] Nitto M-12 for 26

[Rene Valbuena]

The Nitto M12 will fit if the [diagonal] distance of any of the canti studs to 
the hole of the fork crown [where you usually pass through the bolt of a 
side-pull or center-pull] brake, is around 10cm. I am assuing that this hole is 
present on fork of the bike you are getting. This I learned from Hiroshi of 
Jitensha when I bought my first M12. -- Rene

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>From: rcnute 
>Sent: Nov 19, 2009 4:17 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Nitto M-12 for 26" Atlantis?
>
>A new-to-me 56cm Atlantis is coming my way.  This one doesn't have mid-
>fork braze-ons.  I have a Nitto Mini but would prefer not to use p-
>clamps if possible.  Anyone know if an M-12 will fit?  Thanks.
>
>Ryan
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell, Ad Copy, and Paint

[Rene Valbuena]

That's good. I thought, for a while there, you are like Adrian Monk who
cannot live when some things are not in order or right. Or you might just be
role playing your future namesake "Dr. House" -- throwing us puzzles to get
the right diagnosis or just having fun at;-)

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William F. House
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:21 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell, Ad Copy, and Paint


Rene,

I mean well when I say this too: there's NO WAY I will sell this bike.
This bike will eventually be passed on to a grandchild (many, many
years from now). As I've said in a number of previous responses in
this and other threads, I still love the bike. Thanks again for the
advice, but this bike will never leave my care, flaws or not. ;-)

- Will

On Nov 5, 11:57 pm, "Rene Valbuena"  wrote:
> Please believe me that I mean well when I say this: I think you will not
be
> totally happy with that bike so I suggest that you sell it and get another
> one.
>
> When I got my Rivendell Wilbury three years ago, I also had my choice of
> color. I can't remember though if I was charged extra for that. I think I
> was. In any case, I was also not totally happy. The masking details on the
> super fancy lugs leave much to be desired. But at a distance of five feet,
> the bike was stunning. I regrettably sold that bike to pay off an
emergency
> plumbing problem in the house. I am sure you can find a lesser compelling
> reason to sell yours.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rene
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William F. House
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:46 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell, Ad Copy, and Paint
>
> Thank you. Now I feel a little more sane. I don't think I was
> expecting the bike to be utterly flawless, but for nearly $4000 there
> sure are a lot of little flaws.
>
> Rides like a dream though. And it's very hard to spot those little
> flaws while I'm riding. So, there's that. ;-)
>
> On Nov 5, 10:40 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > I wouldn't be happy with that paint detailing.  The paint was better on
my
> > $650 Bleriot (best detail pic I
> > have)<http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/335429650/sizes/o/>.
>
> > This is a $2000 frame with a $300 up-charge for custom color.
>
> > DE
>
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM, rob markwardt 
> wrote:
>
> > > You have a beautiful bike but it just shows we've all got different
> > > standards. I honestly don't think I've ever even looked at my bikes
> > > paint that closely...with my rapidly advancing far-sightedness I don't
> > > know if I could even see it!  However, even I can spot the shoddy lug
> > > painting my 72 PX-10.  I think they brought in chimps in to paint
> > > those things...adds character!!!
>
> > > On Nov 5, 8:26 pm, "William F. House"  wrote:
> > > > Also, note that in the first photo linked that just to the upper
right
> > > > of the uppermost lug curly-cue above the headbadge there's a line of
> > > > green just hanging out right on the cream white. It appears no
attempt
> > > > to clean that up was made. I'd say that's the worst of the errors.
Two
> > > > people that have seen the bike tried to brush it off thinking it was
a
> > > > piece of lint or string and commented "oh, that's paint."
>
> > > > Here's the picture in question again:
>
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/lushmojo/4079738322/sizes/o/
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
>
> > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
> > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> > scientist guy




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[RBW] Re: Rivendell, Ad Copy, and Paint

[Rene Valbuena]

Please believe me that I mean well when I say this: I think you will not be
totally happy with that bike so I suggest that you sell it and get another
one.

When I got my Rivendell Wilbury three years ago, I also had my choice of
color. I can't remember though if I was charged extra for that. I think I
was. In any case, I was also not totally happy. The masking details on the
super fancy lugs leave much to be desired. But at a distance of five feet,
the bike was stunning. I regrettably sold that bike to pay off an emergency
plumbing problem in the house. I am sure you can find a lesser compelling
reason to sell yours.

All the best,

Rene

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William F. House
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:46 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell, Ad Copy, and Paint


Thank you. Now I feel a little more sane. I don't think I was
expecting the bike to be utterly flawless, but for nearly $4000 there
sure are a lot of little flaws.

Rides like a dream though. And it's very hard to spot those little
flaws while I'm riding. So, there's that. ;-)

On Nov 5, 10:40 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I wouldn't be happy with that paint detailing.  The paint was better on my
> $650 Bleriot (best detail pic I
> have).
>
> This is a $2000 frame with a $300 up-charge for custom color.
>
> DE
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM, rob markwardt 
wrote:
>
> > You have a beautiful bike but it just shows we've all got different
> > standards. I honestly don't think I've ever even looked at my bikes
> > paint that closely...with my rapidly advancing far-sightedness I don't
> > know if I could even see it!  However, even I can spot the shoddy lug
> > painting my 72 PX-10.  I think they brought in chimps in to paint
> > those things...adds character!!!
>
> > On Nov 5, 8:26 pm, "William F. House"  wrote:
> > > Also, note that in the first photo linked that just to the upper right
> > > of the uppermost lug curly-cue above the headbadge there's a line of
> > > green just hanging out right on the cream white. It appears no attempt
> > > to clean that up was made. I'd say that's the worst of the errors. Two
> > > people that have seen the bike tried to brush it off thinking it was a
> > > piece of lint or string and commented "oh, that's paint."
>
> > > Here's the picture in question again:
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/lushmojo/4079738322/sizes/o/
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
> wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> scientist guy




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[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?

[Rene Valbuena]

Oops. This reply should be for Joel.

Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell.

http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf

-- Rene

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:42 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?


> The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron
with Jan Heine's input as a
> consultant.

Did Grant and Jan Heine ever work together on any projects?  Those are
two good bicycle minds but also two very opinionated minds as well.
It sure would have been fun to listen in.  Kind of the bicycle
equivalent of Robert Altman and John Ford getting together to make a
film.

On Oct 27, 12:57 pm, Jeff  wrote:
> I'm of the same mind as Benz.  I don't think what I'm looking for will
> conflict with GP's design philosphy.  The frame I'm basing my requests
> on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a
> consultant.  One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket
> drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping
> your bars high.
>
> I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers.  I rode with guy on a
> red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers.  Fire Chief
> from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider!
>
> Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks
> designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load.  The
> fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm.  What do you think about that with
> regard to trail?  The bike handles fine both with and without a
> Berthoud bag.  I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands
> with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up.
>
> I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto
> speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > > Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He
suggests that
> > > you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with
the RBW gestalt.
>
> > > "I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it,
want it, and use
> > > it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain
consistencies and
> > > standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason,
before ordering a
> > > Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our
values and style,
> > > and make sure we're a good match. "
>
> > I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if
> > I can fit my nice-to-have list in.
>
> > I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of
> > features, as a custom bike should.  If the items on the preferred list
> > clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with
> > whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle,
> > look and feel like a Rivendell.  Otherwise, why bother?
>
> > Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front
> > rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the
> > Rivendell philosophy.  In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while
> > ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them.
> > However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows!  I'm certain
> > and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and
> > filter out that which will compromise his design.  Yes, this will be
> > Grant's design for me. :>
>
> > Cheers,
> > Benz
>
> > * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur
> > bicycle!  I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud
> > GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes
> > raving mad, LOL!)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




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[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?

[Rene Valbuena]

Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell.

http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf

-- Rene

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on 10/27/09 10:49 AM, Jeff at newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
 
> Okay, so it was a Kuzma project?  I think I got the last of these from
> Todd in May 2007 as he was shutting down Heron.  It looks to me like
> most production Rivendells (except the Ram) tend to have more rake
> (like 5 or 5.2) than I'm used to, so I may well get improved handling
> with a bag, though perhaps not at the level of Herses and Singers of
> old.

Not to open up an endlessly rehashed can o' worms, but the rake (offset) of
the fork itself is only one of the variables in determining fork trail. A
good calculator, such as JimG's will show how different values of HA, tire
size, etc., interact.

http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php

And, fork trail itself is only one of the variables which determines the
ride of the bicycle. Opinions and experiences with high trail and low trail
has certainly generated a ton of posts on the topic (visit the ibob archives
for a couple days' worth of reading - let's not replicate it here.)  I think
it's tempting to focus just on that aspect, as far as bike handling is
concerned, but it is just a part of the bigger picture.  Changing one thing
- rake, trail, HA, bb height, wheelbase - changes everything, and there are
always tradeoffs.

Of course, the big variable of rider technique and position, plus the type
of terrrain and conditions in which one rides, plays a huge part.

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

[Rene Valbuena]

Very excellent choice. I also have the pre-aged B68 in brown color on my
mixte Soma Buena Vista. I almost didn't want to install the saddle for fear
that it may mar its "beauty." It's not only beautiful but it is very
comfortable. The most important thing to remember is NOT to put proofide wax
on top of the saddle even if you are very tempted to. Just put wax on the
underside. Use an old tootbrush to get into those "nooks" under the metal
parts.

-- Rene

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nathan spindel
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:51 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo


Good to know! I just put in an order for a "pre-aged dark tan" B-68 to
go with my 650B Albatross'd Specialized Sequoia.

-nathan

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Rene Valbuena 
wrote:
>
> I had the experience of using both saddles with the albatross bar and I
> ended up keeping the B68. It's way more comfortable when you are on an
> upright position which you will be with the albatross bar. I eventually
sold
> the Champion Flyer.
>
> -- Rene
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nathan spindel
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo
>
>
> To add a twist: any opinions about Flyer vs. B-68 (wider but unsprung)
> for a men's Albatross'd bike?
>
> -nathan
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Angus  wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> FWIW
>>
>> I have bikes with similar set ups,  after changing from drop bars to
>> Albatross bars on an All-Rounder I also changed the saddle from a B-17
>> to a Flyer (basically a sprung B-17).  The upright seating postion
>> works better for me with a sprung saddle, with drop bars I'm ok either
>> way.
>>
>> Angus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 12:23 pm, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>>> I have two bikes with B17 saddles.  One has Noodles, and the other has
>>> Albatross bars.  Both are fairly level with the seat, but the Alba's are
>>> closer, so I'm much more upright.  I'm curious about the general feeling
>>> around where folks move to a "springer" saddle like the B66.  For those
> who
>>> look at the world through technical goggles - at what body angle would a
>>> switch to a wider, sprung seat be a good move?
>>>
>>> Brian Hanson
>>> Seattle, WA
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>





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[RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo

[Rene Valbuena]

I had the experience of using both saddles with the albatross bar and I
ended up keeping the B68. It's way more comfortable when you are on an
upright position which you will be with the albatross bar. I eventually sold
the Champion Flyer.

-- Rene

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Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:48 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Handlebar-Seat Effective Combo


To add a twist: any opinions about Flyer vs. B-68 (wider but unsprung)
for a men's Albatross'd bike?

-nathan

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Angus  wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> FWIW
>
> I have bikes with similar set ups,  after changing from drop bars to
> Albatross bars on an All-Rounder I also changed the saddle from a B-17
> to a Flyer (basically a sprung B-17).  The upright seating postion
> works better for me with a sprung saddle, with drop bars I'm ok either
> way.
>
> Angus
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 12:23 pm, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>> I have two bikes with B17 saddles.  One has Noodles, and the other has
>> Albatross bars.  Both are fairly level with the seat, but the Alba's are
>> closer, so I'm much more upright.  I'm curious about the general feeling
>> around where folks move to a "springer" saddle like the B66.  For those
who
>> look at the world through technical goggles - at what body angle would a
>> switch to a wider, sprung seat be a good move?
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
> >
>





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[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne

[Rene Valbuena]

Hi Jay,

 

Are you referring to the lugs used on the fork or on the head tube?

 

Rene

 

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hartman
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:24 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne

 

I never really gave these frames a close look before.
The colors are fine, but why the different lugs?
If you are going to go through all the trouble involved
with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least 
you could do is specify lugs that match.

Jay Hartman

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
 wrote:


We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took
some side-by-side photos:

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7
 &gallery=21

Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell
sold out of a few sizes.  But lately, our customers are after the
Orange.

My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my
personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone".

Cheers,

Bryan

[Disclaimer:  As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the
frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing,
and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.]





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[RBW] Re: Reader-recommended running shoes

[Rene Valbuena]

Puma kugel [check for the spelling though]

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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:59 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Reader-recommended running shoes


I remember that in a Reader a number of years ago there was a
recommendation for a certain kind of running shoe which shared some
similarities with things Rivendell, and I was hoping that someone
might possibly remember what the name was.

I recently moved to the city, so am without my stack of back issues,
and am admitting that I ought to stop running in worn-out Sambas.  I
would much appreciate any tips anyone might be able to give.





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[RBW] Re: weird wilbury question

[Rene Valbuena]

The geometry chart of almost all RIV bikes are embedded in 'Read ABout It' section of some models. Here's a link:http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdfI hope this helps.-- Rene-Original Message-
From: David EstesSent: Sep 26, 2009 9:48 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: weird wilbury question

Check.  I just measured my esposa's 56cm and it was 56cm +/- at the top of the collar.  I think you're looking at a 60cm :-)On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Frank  wrote:

Seth,

I just measured my wife's 56cm Wilbury / Glorius, and using your
methodology, came up with a 55.9-esque seat tube measurement. I
verified she's on a 56 by checking the original invoice (we debated
between a 56 and a 58). I can't find a geometry chart on either
Cyclofiend or the Rivbike site, but I seem to recall seeing one in the
past.

On Sep 26, 4:23 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> Hi,
>  We're debating a "new" but a few nicks wilbury for my S.O. She's tale
> enough  for a 58cm - which is what this one is listed as.
>
> However, when I measured the seat tube it comes out at 60cm. I was
> measuring from the center of the bottom bracket shell to the top of
> seat tube - including the seat post binder lug. My question is - is
> that right? The virtual top tube length is 58cm which seems a touch
> long.
>
> I'm just trying to be sure before we buy this.
>
> Thanks,
> -sv

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[RBW] Re: Rear Wheel spacing

[Rene Valbuena]

according to the geometry chart for the atlantis, the rear spacing is 135.

http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf

but just to be sure if rivendell has changed the specs, you can call them.

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>Sent: Sep 23, 2009 12:23 AM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Rear Wheel spacing
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:10 PM, BEN STAGGS  wrote:
>> Hi, can a Atlantis accept an Ultegra 700c rear wheel? This is a standard
>> road bike wheel.
>>
>
>a road wheel with an ultegra hub should be 130mm, right? The atlantis
>is spaced like everything else rivendell makes which is 132.5 so you
>can use either 130mm road hubs or 135mm mountain hubs. (LX, XT, etc)
>
>I think that's how it is intended to work so you only need to
>compensate 1.25mm on each side which is practically nothing.
>
>-sv
>
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[RBW] Re: Sigg bottles can be switched at Whole Foods

[Rene Valbuena]

Thank you very much.-- Rene-Original Message-
From: "J. Douglas Way" 
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I did not bring the receipt, nor did they ask for one.  

Doug

On 9/6/09 12:42 PM, Rene Valbuena wrote:

  do you have to bring the receipt? or will they replace it even if it was not bought from them?

thanks,

Rene

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From: "J. Douglas Way" 
Sent: Sep 6, 2009 2:28 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Sigg bottles can be switched at Whole Foods


Hi-

Just an FYI.  Bought my Sigg bottle at Whole Foods and they gladly 
exchanged it for a new one. 

Doug
Boulder, CO

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[RBW] Re: Sigg bottles can be switched at Whole Foods

[Rene Valbuena]

do you have to bring the receipt? or will they replace it even if it was not 
bought from them?

thanks,

Rene

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>Sent: Sep 6, 2009 2:28 PM
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>
>
>Hi-
>
>Just an FYI.  Bought my Sigg bottle at Whole Foods and they gladly 
>exchanged it for a new one. 
>
>Doug
>Boulder, CO
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[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?

[Rene Valbuena]

I recently bought a Soma Buena Vista mixte frameset recently. And I am
regretting it.

I thought of building it up into a 650b bike but I abandoned the plan. The
main problem was in fitting the rear wheel with col de la vie. The rear
dropout was semi horizontal and the distance from the brake bridge [even at
the shortest distance from the dropout] is way too long; that when I mounted
the 650b wheel, the rim is almost out of reach of the Silver caliper brake
with pads at the farthest end of the calipers. It could work but I
considered it only not pretty but also dangerous. The axle of the rear wheel
was almost at the 'entrance' or edge of the semi-horizontal dropout. And
since the rear wheel is nearer to the chain stay bridge than from the brake
bridge, it was harder to install the rear wheel even without a fender. And I
planned to install a fender.

So I thought of just building it up as the bike is intended to be. A 700c
bike. And I was disappointed also. I bought a new 700c wheel set and a set
of 700c x 32 folding paselas. I used the wide mouth tektro at the rear and a
wide mouth shimano caliper brake at the front, thinking that with this
combo, I can get the clearance I want short of using center pull brakes. It
turns out that the clearance of the fork in combination with the brake
caliper is not enough to install a fender if I use the 700c x 32 tires that
I already bought. I could use a smaller 28mm tire or try a center pull brake
but I was too disappointed by that time I just abandoned the idea of
installing a set of fenders.

After riding it for a while around the neighborhood, it is now installed as
a stationary bike on a resistance trainer. Sure, I might ride it outside in
the future. With 32mm tires, it is quite comfy. It's just that it is not the
bike that I envisioned it to be.

Rene




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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:19 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?


> Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you
> considered Soma's Buena vista?

Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork.  For whatever
reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace
attaching to the seat tube.

If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads -
and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than
ideal.

I have seen a lot of people on these bikes.  But with all my 165 lbs
to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all.
Maybe I am fussy.

On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you
> considered Soma's Buena vista?  A quick google search shows them
> between $375 and 475 for the Frameset.  I don't  have personal
> experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for
> the buck.
>
> I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older
> CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road.
> After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't
> argue with the price of the bike.  In Seattle I frequently see "Ladies
> 3 speeds" for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike
> will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light.
>
> R
>
> On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > - Rene Herse
> > > - Alex Singer
> > > - Jack Taylor
>
> > Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;)
>
> > But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay
> > with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill.  Jack Taylor
> > does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts
> > (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky.  More once in a
> > blue moon type of thing.
>
> > There are any number of bike boom French mixtes,  Japanese came at the
> > tail end of the boom.  Some good and some not so good.  Schwinn made
> > some nice middle weight mixtes.  I would hesitate to recommend them
> > here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more
> > of chore than with the French and Japanese.
>
> > On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews 
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > >         Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another.
>
> > > OK, here are three:  
>
> > > - Rene Herse
> > > - Alex Singer
> > > - Jack Taylor- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo sizing

[Rene Valbuena]

The sizes are now listed at the top of this link: [don't know how to
tinyurl]

http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-618


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cycletex
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:46 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo sizing


I'm not sure the low end, but I was informed by Grant the high end
will stop at 63. He relayed that anything taller would need stouter
tubes and basically be a Hilsen w/o the clearance. I'd love a steel
roadie road bike in 68cm but now I can quit worrying about what I
might hawk to get it.

On Aug 22, 12:59 am, J L  wrote:
> Anyone happen to know what the sizing options are going to be for the new
> Roadeo model?  It looks like odd numbered increments but how low and high?
> Is it plausible that riv are waiting to see what pre-orders come in before
> placing the final order with Waterford therefore sizing availability isn't
> final?




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[RBW] Re: IRD freewheels

[Rene Valbuena]

I also bought IRD freewheels from RIV. I've always assumed that IRDs are
Shimano compatible and thus, the center to center distance between cogs are
the same as shimano's. The distance between cogs of 7- and 8-speed
freewheels are the same. But it is not with 6-speeds or lower.

If your shifter is 8-speed, you can also use it with a 7-speed freewheel.
Just make sure that the limiting screws on the derailleur are used to align
the low and high limits of the derailleur with the freewheel. When
installing the shifter, make sure that the cable has no slack at the first
highest gear [smallest]. This way, the shifter will stop at the 7th index.

You can also use a 9-speed shifter with a 7- or 8-speed cassette or
freewheel. Just use the alternate cable routing on the derailleur as shown
by Sheldon Brown on this link:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html

I hope this helps.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Lynn Skean
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:32 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] IRD freewheels


Hi, all!

Does anyone have direct experience with any of the specific IRD
freehweels sold by RBW used with Shimano 8-speed indexing? I've been
told (and believe) that the spacing between the cogs of the 7-speed
freewheels (and maybe the 6-speed freewheels as well, but I don't
remember the exact question/response text) is the same as the spacing
expected by Shimano 8-speed shifters.

However, I'm not confident that I've thought through any potential
gotchas of trying to use the freewheels with my current shifting set-
up. I don't mind the notion that one or two "clicks" of my indexing
shifters will basically be dead. I'm assuming that I can set up the
derailer to avoid the chain actually going too far inboard or
outboard, as needed. But I don't know anyone who's actually done it.

I'm not trying to start (or, more accurately, continue) any debate on
the relative merits of indexed versus non-indexed shifting. My
question is about indexed shifting.

In case it matters... the shifters I'd be using are either Shimano
EF-60 Rapid-Fire trigger shifters or the Shimano 8-speed bar-ends sold
by RBW (mounted on Paul Thumbies). The rear derailer would be either a
Shimano Acera or a Shimano Rapid-Rise Deore (LX?). The hub would
definitely be a RBW-sold 135mm 36H Phil 7-speed freewheel hub (out of
the constellation of concerns to consider, axle-strength is not one
I'm worried about).

Thanks!




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[RBW] Re: Turn Back the Clock?

[Rene Valbuena]

Well put, Jim.

Perhaps the upcoming "Roadeo" will be "racy" enough to satisfy this
turning-back-the-clock itch among us;>]

-- Rene

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Cyclery
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:24 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Turn Back the Clock?


A fun idea, but why suggest it on the RBW group? I ask not to accuse
the OP of being OT, but to raise a broader philosophical issue. RBW
tends to focus on non-racing bicycles and equipment with "all-rounder"
versatility being the foremost consideration, and aside from being
lugged steel (for cosmetics and durability and market
differentiation), current RBW designs have little in common with
racing bikes from the past. Rather than some sort of nostalgic
throwback, I tend to think of my Riv and Riv-ish bikes as thoroughly
modern and uncompromising for the kinds of multi-use riding I like to
do. I don't see many parallels between, say, my Atlantis and any bike
that was even remotely racy from the 1970s.


On Jul 23, 5:35 am, Marty  wrote:
> I've been keeping up with the TDF as always this time of year. Seems
> bike makers often roll out "specials" for certain stages etc. (like
> today's TT) and it occurred to me that the race could use another
> crowd-pleasing and playing-field-leveler gimmick: why not a turn-the-
> clock-back stage using vintage-style bikes? (Other sports do this from
> time to time) Maybe the stage would not even have to count in the
> overall standings, but it would be a blast to watch today's riders
> "suffer" with non-aero levers, down-tube shifters, pre-index
> drivetrains, five-speed clusters, toe-clips and leather saddles. They
> could auction off the bikes after the stage too, just like they do now
> for various charities. I can see it now: Wool jerseys, Citroen team
> cars, corked water bottles, sew-ups wrapped around their shoulders,
> and maybe even fenders if it's raining that day. A guy can dream
> right?
>
> Marty




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[RBW] Re: new Riv road bike, and my unwanted input for another

[Rene Valbuena]

Jim,

Is Gino one of your co-administrators of the group?

Just wondering... since he's prone to lecturing.

Rene

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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:00 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: new Riv road bike, and my unwanted input for another


Before anyone continues this discussion futher off topic, I'd suggest we all
put the keyboards down, take three deep breaths and end this thread.

I do think the topic has everyone excited, anticipating a new model of bike,
but let's not forget that the basic tenet of respect that underlies this
list.

I'm not saying anyone has pushed it past that line, but to my eye it's
teetering on the edge and wouldn't take much to quickly devolve.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: new Riv road bike, and my unwanted input for another

[Rene Valbuena]

If "Roadeo" is the perfect name, the perfect paint must be school bus 
yellow;>]

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>Sent: Jul 11, 2009 6:53 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [RBW] Re: new Riv road bike, and my unwanted input for another
>
>
>This is why it must be the perfect name:
>
>On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Rene Valbuena wrote:
>>
>> Not even one result pertains to a road bicycle or bicycling in general
>
>>




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[RBW] Re: new Riv road bike, and my unwanted input for another

[Rene Valbuena]

I was expecting comments like "presumptive"...;^)

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on 7/11/09 1:38 PM, Rene Valbuena at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> 
> I googled "Roadeo" and most of the results I got are about the contest in
> driving skills among school bus and/or bus transit drivers. Not even one
> result pertains to a road bicycle or bicycling in general or cowboy rodeo.
> So now whenever I will see or hear a bike named "Roadeo," it would not
even
> connote something [machismo?) like that one out of that Laramie ad or one
> out of a cowboy rodeo.
> 
> Why not just simply call it "Road Classic."

Because calling a Rivendell "Classic" would be redundant ;^)

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[RBW] Re: new Riv road bike, and my unwanted input for another

[Rene Valbuena]

I googled "Roadeo" and most of the results I got are about the contest in
driving skills among school bus and/or bus transit drivers. Not even one
result pertains to a road bicycle or bicycling in general or cowboy rodeo.
So now whenever I will see or hear a bike named "Roadeo," it would not even
connote something [machismo?) like that one out of that Laramie ad or one
out of a cowboy rodeo.

Why not just simply call it "Road Classic."

Rene

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:17 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: new Riv road bike, and my unwanted input for another


On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 10:09 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Regarding that west o' Laramie ad: it is very odd, but although I am
> very logicall and largely proof against hype and advertising and
> sentimentality -- I have a doctorate in Aristotelian philosophy -- I
> must admit that that Laramie ad does tug at certain hidden
> heartstrings. Very odd, because if you analyze it, it doesn't really
> make any logical sense at all. All the more reason to beware of one's
> subconscious weaknesses and the advertisers' stealthy skills.

Unquestionably.  And all the more amazing because it was the first of
its kind.  AFAIK all modern advertising springs from that ad.  It's pure
hype at its most perfect -- and it just makes you feel so good all over
reading it!  In its own way, it's magnificent art.










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[RBW] Re: SRAM X7 rear derailleur

[Rene Valbuena]

Thank you all very much for your suggestions and comments. I will stick with
all shimano set-up.

--Rene

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Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:41 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: SRAM X7 rear derailleur


I recently bought a Shimano LX rear derailer for $25 from Blue Sky.
 I know that Performance was advertising them for $35 two days ago--
they
may still have them. Not exactly your LBS but sometimes it is
necessary. It
is possible to get a good deal. Qbike.com can be a good place to
start.

Cheers!
cm




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[RBW] Re: SRAM X7 rear derailleur

[Rene Valbuena]

Karl,

Thank you. I am thinking of indexing either with 8- or 9-speed shifter if
it's possible. The reason I am asking is that the SRAM X7 is less costly by
more than 50% than a Shimano mountain bike rear derailleur.

Rene

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of relistan
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:52 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: SRAM X7 rear derailleur


Are you indexing?  Or do you mean in friction mode?  In friction it
should work just fine.

Karl

On Jun 23, 1:31 pm, Rene  wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> A technical question here. Can I use the SRAM X7 rear derailleur with
> an 8-speed or 9-speed Shimano shifter? The SRAM X7 has a 1:1 ratio.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Rene




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[RBW] Re: FS: Dura Ace free wheelset

[Rene Valbuena]

The size is 700c.

 

From: Bruce [mailto:fullylug...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:16 AM
To: Rene Valbuena
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Dura Ace free wheelset

 

wheel size? 650B or 700?  (I need the former)

 

  _  

From: Rene 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:56:25 PM
Subject: [RBW] FS: Dura Ace free wheelset


Hi Guys,

I am selling my Dura Ace free-wheel hub-set with Mavic rims for
$230.00 with free delivery within the lower 48 states only.

The rear hub axle is 126mm and has 36 holes. The front hub axle is
120mm and has 32 holes. The spokes are Wheel Smith double butted
1.7/2.0 guage, according to my LBS Bici Bike in San Jose, CA who hand
built this wheelset.

Here are some photos.

http://picasaweb.google.com/valbuena.rene/DuraAceWheelset#
<http://picasaweb.google.com/valbuena.rene/DuraAceWheelset> 

Please email me off-list for any questions and if you have a hard time
linking to the photos.

Thank you very much.


 


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[RBW] Re: Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam

[Rene Valbuena]

Beautiful bike. What's the fender?

 

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton Scott
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:54 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam

 

Bar tape is Fizik microtex in gray. So far it seems nice. It is thinner than
cork and appears less fragile.

 

Clayton, SF CA

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Frederick, Steve
 wrote:

Nice!  What's that bartape?

 

Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Clayton Scott
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:27 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam

Here is mine: 

 

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2443/3531333592_b8e188e79b_b.jpg

 

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3530244832_e00cceafb4_b.jpg

 

 

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Rene Valbuena 
wrote:


Hey Brian,

You must really be a complete marketing man to the bone.

More power to you and to Renaissance Bicycles.

Rene

BTW: do you still shoot film or solely digital? As for me, I still keep a
Nikon F2S with 43mm~86mm zoom for sentimental reasons.


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan @ Renaissance
Bicycles

Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:08 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch

Subject: [RBW] Re: Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam


Hey Rene,

I am the photographer and mastermind of the whole operation.

Thanks for the complements,

Bryan

On May 13, 12:56 pm, "Rene Valbuena"  wrote:
> Very nice bike!
>
> Who is your photographer?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan @
Renaissance
> Bicycles
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:48 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam
>
> While it has taken us a little while to get around to it, we finally
> published some photos of the new silver Quickbeam:
>
> http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/
>
> As I wrote about previously, this is my much anticipated personal
> bike ... and I am very very satisfied.  I think the silver color is
> fabulous ... it definitely gives the bike a real retro appearance.
> You may also notice that the bike is lacking the seattube decal ...
> which is the way it arrived.  Fine by me.
>
> Obviously, I went for the subtle / classic look with the black Brooks
> B17 narrow saddle, black Cinelli cork tape, practical dual-duty
> Shimano pedals, and a black Bike Burrito.  Soon to come is the
> complementary Shimano 16t freewheel, a pair of classic VO bottle
> cages, and the new silver Planet Bike Superflash.
>
> I've ridden it about 30+ miles so far, so it still needs a little fine-
> tuning and a few adjustments.  Of course, the ride is wonderful; very
> good at low speeds, confident in high-speed turns, smooth over the
> rough stuff, and just a real comfortable riding position.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions about the parts, build, or
> details of the Quickbeam ... I'll be happy to share.
>
> Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles






 

 

 




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[RBW] Re: Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam

[Rene Valbuena]

Hey Brian,

You must really be a complete marketing man to the bone.

More power to you and to Renaissance Bicycles.

Rene

BTW: do you still shoot film or solely digital? As for me, I still keep a
Nikon F2S with 43mm~86mm zoom for sentimental reasons.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan @ Renaissance
Bicycles
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:08 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam


Hey Rene,

I am the photographer and mastermind of the whole operation.

Thanks for the complements,

Bryan

On May 13, 12:56 pm, "Rene Valbuena"  wrote:
> Very nice bike!
>
> Who is your photographer?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan @
Renaissance
> Bicycles
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:48 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam
>
> While it has taken us a little while to get around to it, we finally
> published some photos of the new silver Quickbeam:
>
> http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/
>
> As I wrote about previously, this is my much anticipated personal
> bike ... and I am very very satisfied.  I think the silver color is
> fabulous ... it definitely gives the bike a real retro appearance.
> You may also notice that the bike is lacking the seattube decal ...
> which is the way it arrived.  Fine by me.
>
> Obviously, I went for the subtle / classic look with the black Brooks
> B17 narrow saddle, black Cinelli cork tape, practical dual-duty
> Shimano pedals, and a black Bike Burrito.  Soon to come is the
> complementary Shimano 16t freewheel, a pair of classic VO bottle
> cages, and the new silver Planet Bike Superflash.
>
> I've ridden it about 30+ miles so far, so it still needs a little fine-
> tuning and a few adjustments.  Of course, the ride is wonderful; very
> good at low speeds, confident in high-speed turns, smooth over the
> rough stuff, and just a real comfortable riding position.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions about the parts, build, or
> details of the Quickbeam ... I'll be happy to share.
>
> Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles




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[RBW] Re: Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam

[Rene Valbuena]

Very nice bike!

Who is your photographer?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:48 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Photos of the new Rivendell Quickbeam


While it has taken us a little while to get around to it, we finally
published some photos of the new silver Quickbeam:

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/

As I wrote about previously, this is my much anticipated personal
bike ... and I am very very satisfied.  I think the silver color is
fabulous ... it definitely gives the bike a real retro appearance.
You may also notice that the bike is lacking the seattube decal ...
which is the way it arrived.  Fine by me.

Obviously, I went for the subtle / classic look with the black Brooks
B17 narrow saddle, black Cinelli cork tape, practical dual-duty
Shimano pedals, and a black Bike Burrito.  Soon to come is the
complementary Shimano 16t freewheel, a pair of classic VO bottle
cages, and the new silver Planet Bike Superflash.

I've ridden it about 30+ miles so far, so it still needs a little fine-
tuning and a few adjustments.  Of course, the ride is wonderful; very
good at low speeds, confident in high-speed turns, smooth over the
rough stuff, and just a real comfortable riding position.

Let me know if you have any questions about the parts, build, or
details of the Quickbeam ... I'll be happy to share.

Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles








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[RBW] Re: 58mm Honjos and Hetres on a 60cm Saluki

[Rene Valbuena]

-Original Message-
>From: Steve Palincsar 
>Sent: May 11, 2009 6:47 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [RBW] Re: 58mm Honjos and Hetres on a 60cm Saluki
>
>
>On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 21:15 -0400, Rene Valbuena wrote:
>> Ryan,
>> 
>> What bike are you thinking of installing on the combo of Hetres and the 58mm 
>> honjos?
>>  There is no doubt that the combo is very good, if not ideal combo, but if I 
>> may say so,
>>  it is not an ideal fit, for a Saluki. The maximum recommended tire per RBW 
>> charts/tables
>>  for the Saluki, Hilsen, Bleriot and Wilbuy/Glorius -- the now discountinued 
>> RBW 650 bikes
>>  -- is 35mm with fenders and 41 without. You can 'force-fit' the ideal combo 
>> but you have
>>  to live with the fender surgery. Now if you want to experience the Hetres 
>> and 58mm Honjos
>>  with an 'ideal fit' with an RBW bike, there is the Hillborne, Bombadill, 
>> and the 700c Atlantis.
>
>
>The only place where any fender surgery was required was right at the
>chain stays.  As you can see from the photos, it's not that much.
>Perhaps a more skilled artisan than I could have come up with a more
>elegant solution, but this was less than 10 minutes' work and it fits
>fine.

In my humble opinion, there is no elegant solution in force-fitting a fender 
which is not intended to fit a bike.

>

>I respectfully submit, Riv's charts are wrong.  After all, when they
>were conceived, the Hetre did not exist.  And how might you experience a
>Hetre with a 700C Atlantis?  What 700C tire is there that is like the
>Hetre?  I can think of none.  In fact, the closest I know of is the 37mm
>Pasela, and from what I can see, nobody's had that in stock for at least
>a year.

Oops, I got carried away with the Atlantis;>)

>
>In my opinion, Rivendell has significantly retreated from its earlier
>support of the 650B size, and now appears to regard it as merely an
>option for smaller frames to fit a 32mm tire.  Now I like 32mm tires, I
>ride them on my Velo Orange Randonneur, but believe me, 32mm is NOT a
>wide low pressure tire for really rough roads.

There are the new Hillbornes and Betty Foys in the RBW stable that are 650b 
bikes. They are not really for rough roads, which they are not really intended 
for. I think RBW is very clear that if you really want to ride rough roads, 
there is the Bombadil which can fit really fat tires. But as have been said 
about the Hetres's toughness not yet proven on rough roads, why would anyone 
think of fitting a hetres on a 650b Bombadil? 

>
>I think Grant got spooked by a bunch of loudmouthed cynics on
>rec.bicycles.tech.  I'm really sorry it happened.  But in my opinion
>they're a bunch of idiots, he was right then, and he is wrong now.  I
>wish he'd buy himself a set of Hetres and try them.
>
>
>
>
>
>>




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[RBW] Re: 58mm Honjos and Hetres on a 60cm Saluki

[Rene Valbuena]

Ryan,

What bike are you thinking of installing on the combo of Hetres and the 58mm 
honjos? There is no doubt that the combo is very good, if not ideal combo, but 
if I may say so, it is not an ideal fit, for a Saluki. The maximum recommended 
tire per RBW charts/tables for the Saluki, Hilsen, Bleriot and Wilbuy/Glorius 
-- the now discountinued RBW 650 bikes -- is 35mm with fenders and 41 without. 
You can 'force-fit' the ideal combo but you have to live with the fender 
surgery. Now if you want to experience the Hetres and 58mm Honjos with an 
'ideal fit' with an RBW bike, there is the Hillborne, Bombadill, and the 700c 
Atlantis.

Rene

-Original Message-
>From: rcnute 
>Sent: May 11, 2009 4:15 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: 58mm Honjos and Hetres on a 60cm Saluki
>
>
>Sorry for the lack of clarity.  I was thinking of Zeppelins (instead
>of the Honjos you used) to see if I can eliminate or minimize the
>fender surgery.  Good to know about the mounting tabs, though.
>
>Ryan
>
>On May 11, 3:24 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 15:15 -0700, rcnute wrote:
>> > Thanks for being the early adopter/reporter, Steve.  I think I'm going
>> > to give the Zeppelins and Hetres a whirl.
>>
>> Those are the fluted 58mm Honjos.  Velo Orange has Zeppelins in the wide
>> size, but I understand they come with mounting tabs for brake-bolt
>> installation that you can't easily remove.  I have Honjo Zeppelins (Le
>> Paon) on my Velo Orange 
>> Randonneurhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157606169015639/
>> but AFAIK they're not available in a 58mm size.  Grand Bois has 58mm
>> hammered Honjos available.
>>
>> If your frame will fit the tires, I am entirely confident you will LOVE
>> them.  Not the price, perhaps, but certainly the performance and in all
>> likelihood the appearance as well.  I see they now come in black and
>> white tread as well as the red.  I went with the red for the sake of
>> tradition, but I'm rather pleased with the look.  Sort of reminds me of
>> a huge Pink Pearl eraser...
>>




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[RBW] Re: WTT: Nitto noodle for Nitto dirt drop

[Rene Valbuena]

Here is the link to the photo of the scratch marks:

http://picasaweb.google.com/valbuena.rene/ScratchedLeftSleeveNittoNoodle#533
1730984351512018

thanks,

Rene

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:50 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] WTT: Nitto noodle for Nitto dirt drop


I am looking to trade my 42cm Nitto Noodle for a 100mm Nitto dirt drop
with 26.0 clamp. The left sleeve of the Noodle has scratch marks.

Please email me off list.

Thanks,

Rene




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[RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here

[Rene Valbuena]

I hear you loud and clear but I cannot share your tears.

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of usuk2007
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:29 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here


I know I'm being the iconoclast here, but even the new pictures don't
make me like the new colour scheme any better. The bike looks anemic
and the decals look almost half finished. This on the back of that
Betty Foy head badge makes me weep.

On Apr 25, 5:48 pm, EricP  wrote:
> In case folks hadn't checked, there are some new photos of the
> Quickbeam on the website.  The photos are done against a darker (wood)
> background.  Makes the colors stand out better, in my opinion.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Apr 25, 12:31 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
> > Agreed--the blue is very pretty with the silver.
>
> > If only the QB came in 650b a la AHH...
>
> > On Apr 25, 6:41 am, charlie  wrote:
>
> > > Everything goes with silver.its a very nice color and one
> > > that will always be pleasant to look at.
>
> > > On Apr 23, 3:50 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
>
> > > > The Quickbeams will always be cool, but orange was definitely my
favorite.
>
> > > > > From: cm 
> > > > > Reply-To: 
> > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > > > > Subject: [RBW] Quickbeams are here
>
> > > > > Just noticed this on the site:
>
> > > > > Sneak peak can be found here. We are building and shipping them
AQAP.
>
> > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-150
>
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > > cm- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Day of Thanks

[Rene Valbuena]

Jim,

Thank you for keeping this list on even keel always.

Rene

-Original Message-
>From: James Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Nov 27, 2008 1:33 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Day of Thanks
>
>
>Jim,
>The thanks we owe you are greater. Thank you.
>
>-James
>
>On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:12 PM, CycloFiend wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi All -
>>
>> Just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone on this list for 
>> reading and
>> contributing.  I've said it before, but it bears repeating again - it's
>> through all of your efforts that the list maintains its tone and high 
>> signal
>> to noise ratio.
>>
>> Thank you all for taking the time, considering your tone and joining
>> together to make this such a supportive environment.
>>
>> all the best,
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>> -- 
>> Jim Edgar
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>>
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>>
>> >
>
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