Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['timothy petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have been roasting a long time and don’t worry in the least about off 
gassing. Just be sure to roast at least one day prior to consuming and store 
the roasted beans in an airtight container after cooled. 

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> On Mar 16, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Phil. To be clear: This "off gassing" continues for roasted beans 
> even if sit on store shelf in air tight package and, after opening, are 
> sealed up tight and left in freezer?
> 
> Noted reports from all about green beans and roasting. So, another question: 
> How long can one store green beans before they lose flavor? And: how best to 
> store green ones for longest life?
> 
> +
> 
> Researched home roasting with Whirlypop, which I own; problem: Smoke. Could 
> do on grill outside. Smoke aside, doesn't look too hard to try.
> 
> Aside: Recall the homespun coffee processing in the fields around our house. 
> The owner of the immediately surrounding plantation, Mr. Patel, lived across 
> the street (main thoroughfare into town some 7 miles south, narrow, winding 
> 2-lane, 60-70 mph, which I cycled on), and his property contained large 
> concrete tanks for fermenting (?) and hulling beans (his well provided our 
> water tanks with water). Kikuyu women were the pickers using multi-bushel, 
> hand-woven baskets with head straps to carry probably 60-80 lb of beans from 
> fields to tank. I didn't see the next steps in the process.
> 
> The "bibis" were big and husky and loud and boisterous and somewhat 
> intimidating in large groups. You'd hear multitudes of invisible voices 
> singing, chanting, cat-calling, and cackling across the acres.
> 
> Beans were picked when reddish. As with So Cal orange fields, sq miles of 
> coffee would blossom all together at certain times of year. I also recall the 
> small primitive tractor that sprayed the acres with pyrethrum -- driver in 
> open with no skin or lung protection; sprayer would come within a few feet of 
> our back hedges.
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:25 PM phil k  wrote:
>> Patrick the problem is that once beans are roasted they start off gassing. 
>> Carbon dioxide exits which is good, but oxygen is introduced. 
>> 
>> It's not "bad", but your beans will be stale.
>> 
>> OTOH, green beans stay "good" for longer.
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Alex and Deacon especially, but also all others: Thanks for the continuing
education. I just a little while ago posted some questions about storing
*green* coffee beans, and I hope that all will enlighten about this as well.

Patrick Moore, who buys his wine from the bottom shelves, in ABQ, NM (and
btw, the Trapiche Malbec that my nearby Albertson's carries is a drinkable *vin
ordinaire,* as is the Lindemann's Shiraz; both under $6/per if you get the
half-dozen discount). (Oh! Forgot! Albertson's carries a nice Vinho Verde
for under $7; forgot to look! Must go back.)

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 7:01 PM Alex from the North 
wrote:

>
>
>
>> 1. Is it bad to buy 3 months worth of *roasted* beans and store them in
>> your fridge? If so, why? -- that is, what goes wrong?
>>
>> As others have mentioned, beans begin off-gassing immediately, leading to
> staleness and an off taste. Please don't take offense at this as many
> people prefer french roasts, but there's an extent to which the carbon
> taste of the darker roast is offsetting the effect that I'm describing. The
> effect of storing beans for a long time is much more noticeable in more
> subtle, lighter roasts. This is why Starbucks and others have pushed dark
> roasts, because they can sit on the shelf for much longer. Typically these
> roasts also use lower quality beans.
>
>
>> 2. Is the problem the 3 months or the freezer?
>>
>
> What the Deacon said above, it's both—but mostly the 3 months. Coffee
> keeps fine in dark cupboards, preferably in containers that allow off-gas
> to pass, so to speak. If the coffee isn't off-gassing, then it wasn't fresh
> in the first place.
>
>>
>> 3. Is there a way to store 3 months of *roasted* whole beans so that
>> they don't degrade?
>>
>
> No. But honestly, some of the coffee you're buying wasn't fresh when you
> bought it.
>
>>
>> 4. If not, how long should roasted and package beans be kept after
>> buying, before you use them, if you want a decent cup?
>>
>
> The rule of thumb I've often heard in the industry is 15 days
>
>>
>> 5. If you can roast beans in an air popcorn popper, can you roast them in
>> a Whirlypop? https://www.whirleypopshop.com/stovetop-poppers.html  (Serious
>> here.)
>>
>
> Back in the day, it was commonplace to buy green coffee beans and to roast
> them at home. I suspect that the whirleypop actually began its life as a
> coffee roaster. Go to E-bay and look up "antique coffee roaster" and you'll
> see what I mean.The devices are nearly identical.
>
> If I were to buy coffee four times a year, home roasting would be the way
> to go for sure. But honestly, if you're finding what you're doing
> enjoyable, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Personally I've
> educated myself out of being able to enjoy coffee from Costco, and I often
> question whether it was worth the trouble. This actually came up for me
> last week. I'd owned a coffeehouse for 15 years and sold it in February.
> Last week I finally ran out of coffee and was faced with buying coffee as a
> civilian for the first time since about 2003. I bought some beans from
> Costco that were labeled light roast, but they were—to me
> anyway—unpalatably dark. So I got us a 'subscription' to coffee from my
> favorite regional coffee roaster.
>
>  I'm still perfectly happy with two buck chuck from TJs and I hope to
> never refine my palette!
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Alex from the North]

 

> 1. Is it bad to buy 3 months worth of *roasted* beans and store them in 
> your fridge? If so, why? -- that is, what goes wrong?
>
> As others have mentioned, beans begin off-gassing immediately, leading to 
staleness and an off taste. Please don't take offense at this as many 
people prefer french roasts, but there's an extent to which the carbon 
taste of the darker roast is offsetting the effect that I'm describing. The 
effect of storing beans for a long time is much more noticeable in more 
subtle, lighter roasts. This is why Starbucks and others have pushed dark 
roasts, because they can sit on the shelf for much longer. Typically these 
roasts also use lower quality beans.
 

> 2. Is the problem the 3 months or the freezer?
>

What the Deacon said above, it's both—but mostly the 3 months. Coffee keeps 
fine in dark cupboards, preferably in containers that allow off-gas to 
pass, so to speak. If the coffee isn't off-gassing, then it wasn't fresh in 
the first place.

>
> 3. Is there a way to store 3 months of *roasted* whole beans so that they 
> don't degrade?
>

No. But honestly, some of the coffee you're buying wasn't fresh when you 
bought it.

>
> 4. If not, how long should roasted and package beans be kept after buying, 
> before you use them, if you want a decent cup?
>

The rule of thumb I've often heard in the industry is 15 days

>
> 5. If you can roast beans in an air popcorn popper, can you roast them in 
> a Whirlypop? https://www.whirleypopshop.com/stovetop-poppers.html  (Serious 
> here.)
>

Back in the day, it was commonplace to buy green coffee beans and to roast 
them at home. I suspect that the whirleypop actually began its life as a 
coffee roaster. Go to E-bay and look up "antique coffee roaster" and you'll 
see what I mean.The devices are nearly identical.

If I were to buy coffee four times a year, home roasting would be the way 
to go for sure. But honestly, if you're finding what you're doing 
enjoyable, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Personally I've 
educated myself out of being able to enjoy coffee from Costco, and I often 
question whether it was worth the trouble. This actually came up for me 
last week. I'd owned a coffeehouse for 15 years and sold it in February. 
Last week I finally ran out of coffee and was faced with buying coffee as a 
civilian for the first time since about 2003. I bought some beans from 
Costco that were labeled light roast, but they were—to me 
anyway—unpalatably dark. So I got us a 'subscription' to coffee from my 
favorite regional coffee roaster.

 I'm still perfectly happy with two buck chuck from TJs and I hope to never 
refine my palette!

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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Phil. To be clear: This "off gassing" continues for roasted beans
even if sit on store shelf in air tight package and, after opening, are
sealed up tight and left in freezer?

Noted reports from all about green beans and roasting. So, another
question: How long can one store green beans before they lose flavor? And:
how best to store green ones for longest life?

+

Researched home roasting with Whirlypop, which I own; problem: Smoke. Could
do on grill outside. Smoke aside, doesn't look too hard to try.

Aside: Recall the homespun coffee processing in the fields around our
house. The owner of the immediately surrounding plantation, Mr. Patel,
lived across the street (main thoroughfare into town some 7 miles south,
narrow, winding 2-lane, 60-70 mph, which I cycled on), and his property
contained large concrete tanks for fermenting (?) and hulling beans (his
well provided our water tanks with water). Kikuyu women were the pickers
using multi-bushel, hand-woven baskets with head straps to carry probably
60-80 lb of beans from fields to tank. I didn't see the next steps in the
process.

The "bibis" were big and husky and loud and boisterous and somewhat
intimidating in large groups. You'd hear multitudes of invisible voices
singing, chanting, cat-calling, and cackling across the acres.

Beans were picked when reddish. As with So Cal orange fields, sq miles of
coffee would blossom all together at certain times of year. I also recall
the small primitive tractor that sprayed the acres with pyrethrum -- driver
in open with no skin or lung protection; sprayer would come within a few
feet of our back hedges.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:25 PM phil k  wrote:

> Patrick the problem is that once beans are roasted they start off gassing.
> Carbon dioxide exits which is good, but oxygen is introduced.
>
> It's not "bad", but your beans will be stale.
>
> OTOH, green beans stay "good" for longer.
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Patrick the problem is that once beans are roasted they start off gassing. 
Carbon dioxide exits which is good, but oxygen is introduced. 

It's not "bad", but your beans will be stale.

OTOH, green beans stay "good" for longer.

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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Chris L]

In my experience, there is no substitute for getting freshly roasted beans 
and drinking them within 2-3 weeks, at most.   I've stored beans in good 
quality canisters and they go stale just as quickly as beans stored in a 
typical bag.  i think once they are exposed to the atmosphere, the clock 
starts ticking.  I don't think there is a way around it. 





On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 4:15:27 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Related all of this:
>
> 1. Is it bad to buy 3 months worth of *roasted* beans and store them in 
> your fridge? If so, why? -- that is, what goes wrong?
>
> 2. Is the problem the 3 months or the freezer?
>
> 3. Is there a way to store 3 months of *roasted* whole beans so that they 
> don't degrade?
>
> 4. If not, how long should roasted and package beans be kept after buying, 
> before you use them, if you want a decent cup?
>
> 5. If you can roast beans in an air popcorn popper, can you roast them in 
> a Whirlypop? https://www.whirleypopshop.com/stovetop-poppers.html 
>  (Serious here.)
>
> 6. If so, what are the advantages from buying green and roasting in 
> Whirlypop, compared to buying them roasted? -- obviously, this relates 
> largely to flavor; but if there are financial ones, speak about them.
>
> 7. If one buys green beans, how best to store them, and for how long, and 
> how best to store -- freezer? Fridge? St Steel container in dark pantry 
> with tight lid?
>
> 8. Add other apothegms as appropriate.
>

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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My answers to Patrick of the Moore’s questions are inline below...

1. Is it bad to buy 3 months worth of roasted beans and store them in your 
fridge? If so, why? -- that is, what goes wrong?
“Bad” depends on if you care about what is lost by storage. My experience is 
that oils and a slurry of intangible things we’re just starting to understand 
that I lump together and call, perhaps inaccurately, flavinoids. These oils and 
flavinoids stimulate my brain in a very good and noticible and not jittery way. 
Not just the caffeine. All of it. Together. Beyond two week, and I notice a 
decline in this, which is also reflected in a loss of flavor (hense the term 
flavinoids, because the flavores of fresh good food have a lot of them and we 
taste the difference, whatever they all are). Chocolate, hot and curry spices, 
garlic, saturated fats, fish fats, tobacco ... I forget what else, are high in 
flavinoids.

2. Is the problem the 3 months or the freezer?
Time, definately. I suspect the freezer change, as with all foods, also harms 
oils and flavinoids, though as you point out it also hardens the bean, 
compensating somewhat for loss of flavor/flavinoids by a more consistant brew 
if pulverized instead of ground.

3. Is there a way to store 3 months of roasted whole beans so that they don't 
degrade?
Yes. In a time suspension device. Haven’t found a good one yet. If you do, let 
me know.

4. If not, how long should roasted and package beans be kept after buying, 
before you use them, if you want a decent cup?
2 weeks after roast date (which a good roaster will put on the bag). No roast 
date? Way more than two weeks passed before the coffee reached the store, let 
alone you, so no need to ask.

5. If you can roast beans in an air popcorn popper, can you roast them in a 
Whirlypop? https://www.whirleypopshop.com/stovetop-poppers.html  (Serious here.)
Yes, and there are places that sell specific versions of this for that: Sweet 
Marias, but they seem to be out of most of their roasting supplies.

6. If so, what are the advantages from buying green and roasting in Whirlypop, 
compared to buying them roasted? -- obviously, this relates largely to flavor; 
but if there are financial ones, speak about them.
Green beans generally cost half the per pound price of roasted. But this is 
somewhat mitigated by the green beans having more moisture (lost in roasting), 
so total yield of a pound of green beans roasted is 3/4 pound, perhaps. We 
don’t weigh. Other advantages are the experience of roasting, learning and 
experimenting and learning what you like because you can try one bean type 
roasted differently, aged 1-14 days, the better flavor and flavinoids as I’ve 
already mentioned.

7. If one buys green beans, how best to store them, and for how long, and how 
best to store -- freezer? Fridge? St Steel container in dark pantry with tight 
lid?
We store them in the bags they come in from Dean’s beans (coated paper), in our 
pantry. Last for 6 months, with a mellowing of flavore that begins around two 
months. Protect from changes in moisture and exposure to light are the only 
requirements I’ve read for green beans.

8. Add other apothegms as appropriate.
Roast your own for the most afore your beans give up the flavinoid ghost! Grin.

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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[David Bivins]

Regarding buying so much coffee that have to store some for three months:
Here in NYC, many of us know that there are few stellar pizzas in the
city. Probably more than most of us know, but you find out via
friends, Internet, whatever, and they're AMAZING. But any slice of NYC
pizza (barring the chain stores like Papa John's, etc.) is pretty
good. It hits the spot. It's not great, but it's a lot better than no
pizza at all. It was made fresh, the dough was made with Type 00
flour, etc.
With coffee, if you're a cup o' joe kind of person, using it for fuel
in the morning, just looking for that boost that tastes pretty good,
then you might not find much difference between Peet's and the stuff
that was just roasted a few days ago. It's like most NYC pizza. But
you might find that you bought some coffee that was just roasted, you
bring it home and grind a cup's worth right away, you brew it in a
reproducible way, and WOW that's AMAZING! Not just good, but great.
That's what happened to me. A workmate brought me a bag of beans she
had picked up from a roaster on her way to our office as a gift. I
made some as soon as I got home and never looked back.
I'm lucky enough in Brooklyn to be able to get, within a 10 minute
walk, Stumptown, Café Grumpy, and a few other freshly-roasted beans.
They're not all my cup of coffee, but when I find the ones I like, I
can always get them.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Related all of this:
>
> 1. Is it bad to buy 3 months worth of roasted beans and store them in your 
> fridge? If so, why? -- that is, what goes wrong?
>
> 2. Is the problem the 3 months or the freezer?
>
> 3. Is there a way to store 3 months of roasted whole beans so that they don't 
> degrade?
>
> 4. If not, how long should roasted and package beans be kept after buying, 
> before you use them, if you want a decent cup?
>
> 5. If you can roast beans in an air popcorn popper, can you roast them in a 
> Whirlypop? https://www.whirleypopshop.com/stovetop-poppers.html  (Serious 
> here.)
>
> 6. If so, what are the advantages from buying green and roasting in 
> Whirlypop, compared to buying them roasted? -- obviously, this relates 
> largely to flavor; but if there are financial ones, speak about them.
>
> 7. If one buys green beans, how best to store them, and for how long, and how 
> best to store -- freezer? Fridge? St Steel container in dark pantry with 
> tight lid?
>
> 8. Add other apothegms as appropriate.
>
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Related all of this:

1. Is it bad to buy 3 months worth of *roasted* beans and store them in
your fridge? If so, why? -- that is, what goes wrong?

2. Is the problem the 3 months or the freezer?

3. Is there a way to store 3 months of *roasted* whole beans so that they
don't degrade?

4. If not, how long should roasted and package beans be kept after buying,
before you use them, if you want a decent cup?

5. If you can roast beans in an air popcorn popper, can you roast them in a
Whirlypop? https://www.whirleypopshop.com/stovetop-poppers.html  (Serious
here.)

6. If so, what are the advantages from buying green and roasting in
Whirlypop, compared to buying them roasted? -- obviously, this relates
largely to flavor; but if there are financial ones, speak about them.

7. If one buys green beans, how best to store them, and for how long, and
how best to store -- freezer? Fridge? St Steel container in dark pantry
with tight lid?

8. Add other apothegms as appropriate.

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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Chris L]

I just checked and here is what TJ's is offering right now:

https://www.traderjoes.com/fearless-flyer/article/4762



On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:59:24 PM UTC-5, Chris L wrote:
>
> Roasting your own beans in a popcorn popper is very easy, although 
> depending on the popper, you may have to improvise to keep beans from 
> shooting out the top.   It is a very fine line between "roasted" and 
> "charred" in a popper so you have to be very diligent.  
>
>
> Trader Joe's has specialty, small batch coffees (I believe the only ones 
> where beans are in a bag, rather than a can) where they buy an entire crop 
> and sell it until supplies run out, which seems to be just a few weeks.  I 
> always buy them when I see a new one and they have ranged from good to 
> excellent.   Much better than their regular coffee bean selection. 
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 12:00:15 PM UTC-5, David Bivins wrote:
>>
>> I have many friends who roast their beans in a hot air popper. They're 
>> easy to find at thrift stores, too!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> About a year back I saw a guy roast green coffee beans in an air pop 
>>> corn popper.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Any of you try using that method for roasting?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Chris L]

Roasting your own beans in a popcorn popper is very easy, although 
depending on the popper, you may have to improvise to keep beans from 
shooting out the top.   It is a very fine line between "roasted" and 
"charred" in a popper so you have to be very diligent.  


Trader Joe's has specialty, small batch coffees (I believe the only ones 
where beans are in a bag, rather than a can) where they buy an entire crop 
and sell it until supplies run out, which seems to be just a few weeks.  I 
always buy them when I see a new one and they have ranged from good to 
excellent.   Much better than their regular coffee bean selection. 




On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 12:00:15 PM UTC-5, David Bivins wrote:
>
> I have many friends who roast their beans in a hot air popper. They're 
> easy to find at thrift stores, too!
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:26 PM > wrote:
>
>> About a year back I saw a guy roast green coffee beans in an air pop corn 
>> popper.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Any of you try using that method for roasting?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

This or a related study was what made me keep my beans in the freezer, and
I *think* I've noticed a change for the better in flavor. What appears to
happen if you freeze them is that, at least using a blade grinder
(whacker), the particles are more uniform in size -- noticed this with
coarse grind for the press.

Aside: Tried a few drops of H2O in this morning's 2-scoops of (frozen)
beans, and yes, it kept the dust and static down. Had to scoop last bits
off of wall of grinder cup, but far less mess than dust flying all over.

Y'all's word for the day: Pulverulent, adj, as in "effing pulverulent mess,
dammit!"

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:30 PM Jim M.  wrote:

>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 11:19:55 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>>
>> Oh well. Trader Joe's now has an $8 bag of "single origin" beans out here
>> in the bay area. A lighter one and a medium one. That's nearly half the
>> price of my usual Philz/Counter Culture/Red Bay Coffee purchase so...
>>
>>>
 Heck, TJ has a 100% Arabica "dark roast" for about $6 that is a bit one
> dimensional, but as long as that dimension is dark, it's fine by me.
>
> As to freezing, there has been at least one study found that freezing
> roasted beans before grinding produced more even particles and better
> extraction: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160614100258.htm
>
> happy caffeinated trails!
> jim m
> wc ca
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Trader Joes had a really good Ethiopian Honey Process coffee that was like 
$6 a can. I should've bought 10 of those. I haven't seen them in any around 
me. Their winter blend is also really good for the price.

Ceremony Coffee has to be one of my favorites.

Onyx is also good but pricier, however, they commit to paying much more 
above market price to ensure their farms keep operating.

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 2:19:55 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I really want to try this and cannot rationalize it right now for the life 
> of me.
>
> Oh well. Trader Joe's now has an $8 bag of "single origin" beans out here 
> in the bay area. A lighter one and a medium one. That's nearly half the 
> price of my usual Philz/Counter Culture/Red Bay Coffee purchase so...
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:00:15 AM UTC-7, David Bivins wrote:
>>
>> I have many friends who roast their beans in a hot air popper. They're 
>> easy to find at thrift stores, too!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> About a year back I saw a guy roast green coffee beans in an air pop 
>>> corn popper.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Any of you try using that method for roasting?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Jim M.]

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 11:19:55 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
>
> Oh well. Trader Joe's now has an $8 bag of "single origin" beans out here 
> in the bay area. A lighter one and a medium one. That's nearly half the 
> price of my usual Philz/Counter Culture/Red Bay Coffee purchase so...
>
>>
>>> Heck, TJ has a 100% Arabica "dark roast" for about $6 that is a bit one 
dimensional, but as long as that dimension is dark, it's fine by me. 

As to freezing, there has been at least one study found that freezing 
roasted beans before grinding produced more even particles and better 
extraction: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160614100258.htm

happy caffeinated trails!
jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Justin, Oakland]

I really want to try this and cannot rationalize it right now for the life 
of me.

Oh well. Trader Joe's now has an $8 bag of "single origin" beans out here 
in the bay area. A lighter one and a medium one. That's nearly half the 
price of my usual Philz/Counter Culture/Red Bay Coffee purchase so...

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 10:00:15 AM UTC-7, David Bivins wrote:
>
> I have many friends who roast their beans in a hot air popper. They're 
> easy to find at thrift stores, too!
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:26 PM > wrote:
>
>> About a year back I saw a guy roast green coffee beans in an air pop corn 
>> popper.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Any of you try using that method for roasting?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
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Re: [RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[David Bivins]

I have many friends who roast their beans in a hot air popper. They're easy
to find at thrift stores, too!

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:

> About a year back I saw a guy roast green coffee beans in an air pop corn
> popper.
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[truegolden]

About a year back I saw a guy roast green coffee beans in an air pop corn
popper.

 

 

Any of you try using that method for roasting?

 

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[RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I use a Hario hand crank burr grinder with chemex for pour over... well, I 
‘did’ use the hand crank for a couple years until our son was born and started 
losing that extra time in the mornings and have since been cheating with 
pre-ground beans for the most part.  I enjoyed the process and routine and 
would grind daily but it does take a few minutes of steady cranking.  Never 
tried a super fine ground and adjusted it somewhere in the middle.  Over time 
the locknut begins to loosen regularly on the crank and I was planning to use a 
nylock replacement nut but haven’t gotten around to it, so on the occasion we 
go whole bean I just need to tighten the crank a few times each session.  It 
was also fun to have our son help fill and grind the beans some mornings but he 
prefers to open and dump the beans on the floor or crank in reverse, haha, so 
I’d have to give him a decoy bowl of beans to play with to actually finish the 
job.  The size is great for one small pot each morning (larger/rounder hario 
not the small slim one, which I hadn’t tried.) My wife and each just have one 
mug each in the morning.

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[John A. Bennett]

Don’t freeze your beans. Buy them regularly, and keep them in the cupboard in 
the roll top bag they came in.

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[RBW] Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
(convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
seems (experience) to give best flavor.

Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal
seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.

So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from
a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a
mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.

Would a burr grinder help in this regard?

I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?

This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?

Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.

Thanks.

Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.

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