[RBW] hunqapillar history

[Jason Zakaras]

I've been searching around to try to find some of the historical info on 
the Hunqs and the various MUSA/MIT variants.  Does anyone know *roughly* 
the release dates of the hunqapillars, batch quantities, and locations of 
production?  I'm mostly interested in the MUSA variant, were there multiple 
paint options from Waterford or just green/cream and what order these were 
produced in comparison to the MIT hunqs...

I appreciate the help linking the history together!

Cheers,

Jason

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[RBW] Hunqapillar sporting Atlantis paint?

[dougP]

In the July edition of Adventure Cyclist, there's a ride report about doing 
the Great Divide route.  On page 23 is a photo of a bike I thought was an 
Atlantis, based on the paint scheme.  Something didn't look right about the 
lettering so I got out a magnifying glass.  The lettering is Hunqapillar.  
Either way, it carried the rider down the Great Divide, with a good deal of 
gear strapped on.  

dougP

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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Ryan M.]

Here is good page that describes the Hunq. It’s one of my favorite head badges. 
Lol 

I thought the Hunq road pretty nicely as a trail bike when I got a chance to 
ride it.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/pdf/original_hunaqbook_pdf.pdf

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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Ryan M.]

Here is good page that describes the Hunq. It’s one of my favorite head badges. 
Lol

I thought the Hunq road pretty nicely as a trail bike when I got a chance to 
ride it. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Ryan M.]

The Hunqapillar is a pretty stout trail touring bike that basically sat between 
the Atlantis and the Bombadil when it was first coming out. It’s been my 
experience that it rides nicely when loaded down or when riding chunkier stuff. 

The Appaloosa is different, being a bike that sits next to the Atlantis, but 
for a wee bit lighter load and riding style. It is a nice riding bike but I 
think for loaded touring with a bunch of weight, it may get squirrelly.  

If I were doing loaded touring that took me on gravel roads or dirt trails, I’d 
keep the Hunq. It’s built for that. I’d you are just MUP riding, road riding, 
and commuting with it, it’s probably overbuilt.

Sounds like you need a second bike. Lol. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for opinions about the ride of a 58 Hunq vs a 58 Appaloosa. I 
know that is pretty specific, but here's why. I just finished building up a 
55 Appaloosa for my wife and we were on a ride this weekend where we traded 
bikes. Both of us remarked that the Appa felt much more lively, smoother, 
and lighter than the Hunq. Seeing how her bike has the awesome 55mm Compass 
EL tires, I traded wheels to see if that would account for the difference, 
but it really didn't make much difference.

So before I start thinking about replacing my beloved grey/kidney bean 
Hunq with an Appaloosa I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone else out 
in Riv land has had experience with both, ideally in my 58 size. Am I just 
imagining the difference??

Thanks for any input you have!

Gary
Asheville,NC

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[RBW] Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[tc]

I am still on the hunt for a used 58 in good condition. Unicorns, those things. 

Tom

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[RBW] Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[DarinM]

Looks like it sold fast. Pretty cool that they’re working with Steve Rex now, 
it would be awesome to see them start using some fillet brazing on a joint or 
two.

Darin

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[RBW] Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

[Chris L]

RBW has a 53cm Hunqapillar prototype frameset (in the original gray/red 
color scheme!) for sale with the statement that this is the last chance to 
get a new "old style" Hunqapillar and that a redesigned, MUSA version may 
be coming.   

Having recently purchased a 54 Hunqapillar, I'm intrigued by what Grant & 
Co. will do for a new version.  

53 cm Hunqapillar frameset 


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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks very much; those show me what I wanted to know.

And thanks to the person who posted the Crust photos -- the bent stays are
exactly what I'll need to do.



On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jacob  wrote:

> The close-ups aren't great, as there are so many variables, but I tried to
> hold a straight line and fight the shadows.  Measured with the calipers
> there's between 6-10mm clearance, depending on where it's measured.  The
> tightest area on this bike is the rear brake bridge, but only because of
> the mounting hardware in the same area.  There's an older profile shot in
> there too showing how little clearance it *appears* to have.
>
> Note:  This bike is 650b with 650b SW Flat 65s...however, I did have
> 700c/60mm GB stainless fenders on it at one point.  A fine fender, but the
> 5mm difference is notable when the clearances are this tight.  No real
> issues with the GBs - maybe a rub here and there when the flexing up the
> bridge, and the debris was louder.
>
> I know it's hard to tell anything from photos, things look out of whack or
> misaligned - I hope this helps in your quest all the same. Let us know if
> you need anything else.
> -Jacob
> Brooklyn
>
> On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 7:23:26 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Jacob: Would you mind posting a sufficiently closeup profile photo of the
>> fenders and tires to show the gaps? It may be worth my while to switch,
>> given the laughably short SKS 65s I just installed -- hell, these things
>> are short enough for 26" wheels, really (and I may use them for 26" wheels
>> if I get a frame with sufficient clearance so that the fenders can stand
>> well proud of the smaller wheels).
>>
>> Mark: SKS P 65 and Big Bens: Are your wheels 700C or 650B or 26"? (I see
>> that the BBs come in all sizes.)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:47 PM Jacob  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t have a Hunq.  I do have a Clem, which has the same fork crown I
>>> believe. I run G-One 2.35 under SimWorks Flat 65s. Year round, of course.
>>> Light, firm, and worth it. You get to drill your own mounting holes, so you
>>> can rotate the fender back a bit for extra coverage if you don’t need as
>>> much on top of the tire (basket, bag, etc). Noticeably longer and wider
>>> than SKS, lighter and quiter than GB.
>>>
>>> -Jacob
>>> Brooklyn
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Father of Sam]

This...
https://theradavist.com/2018/11/philly-bike-expo-2018-crust-noreaster-with-microshift-12-speed-eagle/#18
... is, to me, one of the most beautiful bicycles I've seen in a long 
time.  There you see the bent stay.  Fairly certain these are the Flat 
65s.  The Antelope Hill is 55-622.  Not sure if the stay used is what came 
with the set, but at least you know now that it can be done.  And really, 
Matt (Crust Bikes) is a genius. 

On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 4:31:05 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Another question about the Simworks fenders: Any idea if one can get 
> longer-than-usual front stays? The reason is that I'd have to do some fancy 
> bending to get the stay to clear the leftside disc caliper; the SKS stay 
> was barely long enough to do this. Tx.
>
> *And* I see that Simworks offers very pretty titanium fenders, if you've 
> got the cash. (I'd prefer the ti to the brass.) I wonder how easy it is to 
> reshape the curve to fit 559-size wheels -- not that aluminum isn't good 
> enough for me!
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:23 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Jacob: Would you mind posting a sufficiently closeup profile photo of the 
>> fenders and tires to show the gaps? It may be worth my while to switch, 
>> given the laughably short SKS 65s I just installed -- hell, these things 
>> are short enough for 26" wheels, really (and I may use them for 26" wheels 
>> if I get a frame with sufficient clearance so that the fenders can stand 
>> well proud of the smaller wheels). 
>>
>> Mark: SKS P 65 and Big Bens: Are your wheels 700C or 650B or 26"? (I see 
>> that the BBs come in all sizes.)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:47 PM Jacob > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t have a Hunq.  I do have a Clem, which has the same fork crown I 
>>> believe. I run G-One 2.35 under SimWorks Flat 65s. Year round, of course. 
>>> Light, firm, and worth it. You get to drill your own mounting holes, so you 
>>> can rotate the fender back a bit for extra coverage if you don’t need as 
>>> much on top of the tire (basket, bag, etc). Noticeably longer and wider 
>>> than SKS, lighter and quiter than GB.
>>>
>>> -Jacob
>>> Brooklyn
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

Another question about the Simworks fenders: Any idea if one can get
longer-than-usual front stays? The reason is that I'd have to do some fancy
bending to get the stay to clear the leftside disc caliper; the SKS stay
was barely long enough to do this. Tx.

*And* I see that Simworks offers very pretty titanium fenders, if you've
got the cash. (I'd prefer the ti to the brass.) I wonder how easy it is to
reshape the curve to fit 559-size wheels -- not that aluminum isn't good
enough for me!

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:23 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Jacob: Would you mind posting a sufficiently closeup profile photo of the
> fenders and tires to show the gaps? It may be worth my while to switch,
> given the laughably short SKS 65s I just installed -- hell, these things
> are short enough for 26" wheels, really (and I may use them for 26" wheels
> if I get a frame with sufficient clearance so that the fenders can stand
> well proud of the smaller wheels).
>
> Mark: SKS P 65 and Big Bens: Are your wheels 700C or 650B or 26"? (I see
> that the BBs come in all sizes.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:47 PM Jacob  wrote:
>
>> I don’t have a Hunq.  I do have a Clem, which has the same fork crown I
>> believe. I run G-One 2.35 under SimWorks Flat 65s. Year round, of course.
>> Light, firm, and worth it. You get to drill your own mounting holes, so you
>> can rotate the fender back a bit for extra coverage if you don’t need as
>> much on top of the tire (basket, bag, etc). Noticeably longer and wider
>> than SKS, lighter and quiter than GB.
>>
>> -Jacob
>> Brooklyn
>>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

Jacob: Would you mind posting a sufficiently closeup profile photo of the
fenders and tires to show the gaps? It may be worth my while to switch,
given the laughably short SKS 65s I just installed -- hell, these things
are short enough for 26" wheels, really (and I may use them for 26" wheels
if I get a frame with sufficient clearance so that the fenders can stand
well proud of the smaller wheels).

Mark: SKS P 65 and Big Bens: Are your wheels 700C or 650B or 26"? (I see
that the BBs come in all sizes.)

Thanks.

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:47 PM Jacob  wrote:

> I don’t have a Hunq.  I do have a Clem, which has the same fork crown I
> believe. I run G-One 2.35 under SimWorks Flat 65s. Year round, of course.
> Light, firm, and worth it. You get to drill your own mounting holes, so you
> can rotate the fender back a bit for extra coverage if you don’t need as
> much on top of the tire (basket, bag, etc). Noticeably longer and wider
> than SKS, lighter and quiter than GB.
>
> -Jacob
> Brooklyn
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[RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Jacob]

I don’t have a Hunq.  I do have a Clem, which has the same fork crown I 
believe. I run G-One 2.35 under SimWorks Flat 65s. Year round, of course. 
Light, firm, and worth it. You get to drill your own mounting holes, so you can 
rotate the fender back a bit for extra coverage if you don’t need as much on 
top of the tire (basket, bag, etc). Noticeably longer and wider than SKS, 
lighter and quiter than GB.

-Jacob
Brooklyn

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[RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Marc Irwin]

I've used VO Zeppilen with 45mm Marathons, SKS Velo with a variety of tires.  
I'm happiest with the SKS P65 and Schwalbe Big Ben 50mm tires.  That makes it a 
very versatile bike.

Marc

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

Note: The Big Ones on Blunt SS's measure 60.658 mm (Blunt SS, 35 mm outside
width) per digital caliper.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'll be interested in learning of others' experience for such fendering.
> The SKS 65s are just barely wide enough to clear the 700C X 60 Big Ones on
> my Matthews; there's ample (1 cm) top clearance, but the sides, notably the
> SKS/Planet Bike-type strut fittings, crowd the sidewalls. I'd be interested
> to learn if VOs might work better?
>
> Note: The SKS's replaced Planet Bike 65s. The PBs had a rounder profile
> that crowded the BOs a great deal more. The SKS's have a squarer profile
> that clears the sidewalls by a bit more, but even more still would be
> better.
>
> Once again, kudos to Chauncey Matthews for delivering on my request of
> "60s, fenders, and reasonable Q." Q is 160 with 130 mm spindle, but suspect
> 126 workable, and certainly 127.5.
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kurt Manley  wrote:
>
>> Hey RBW list,
>>
>> I have been thinking about fendering my 62 cm Hunq and am curious about
>> folks experience with max tire size w fenders and which fenders work best
>> for the Hunqapillar.
>>
>> I'm hoping to run Schwalbe G-One speed tires in 29x2.35 size on
>> Cliffhanger rims. For fenders maybe the VO 63mm fluted fender? Or the 60mm
>> Berthoud?
>> The Berthoud is spec-ed for a 2.35" tire, the VO specs a 2.2" tire but
>> I'm wondering if that might be just differences in the companies suggested
>> tire-fender clearances.
>>
>> Anyone a similar combo on their Hunq? What tires/fenders did you run? I'm
>> open to suggestions beyond what I have listed and while I'd prefer a metal
>> fender I'd do plastic if needed as I have found they generally allow a
>> bigger tire in my limited experiences fendering my bikes. My Hunq is a
>> green one with the larger clearances.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Kurt in Oakland
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be interested in learning of others' experience for such fendering.
The SKS 65s are just barely wide enough to clear the 700C X 60 Big Ones on
my Matthews; there's ample (1 cm) top clearance, but the sides, notably the
SKS/Planet Bike-type strut fittings, crowd the sidewalls. I'd be interested
to learn if VOs might work better?

Note: The SKS's replaced Planet Bike 65s. The PBs had a rounder profile
that crowded the BOs a great deal more. The SKS's have a squarer profile
that clears the sidewalls by a bit more, but even more still would be
better.

Once again, kudos to Chauncey Matthews for delivering on my request of
"60s, fenders, and reasonable Q." Q is 160 with 130 mm spindle, but suspect
126 workable, and certainly 127.5.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kurt Manley  wrote:

> Hey RBW list,
>
> I have been thinking about fendering my 62 cm Hunq and am curious about
> folks experience with max tire size w fenders and which fenders work best
> for the Hunqapillar.
>
> I'm hoping to run Schwalbe G-One speed tires in 29x2.35 size on
> Cliffhanger rims. For fenders maybe the VO 63mm fluted fender? Or the 60mm
> Berthoud?
> The Berthoud is spec-ed for a 2.35" tire, the VO specs a 2.2" tire but I'm
> wondering if that might be just differences in the companies suggested
> tire-fender clearances.
>
> Anyone a similar combo on their Hunq? What tires/fenders did you run? I'm
> open to suggestions beyond what I have listed and while I'd prefer a metal
> fender I'd do plastic if needed as I have found they generally allow a
> bigger tire in my limited experiences fendering my bikes. My Hunq is a
> green one with the larger clearances.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kurt in Oakland
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[RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Kurt Manley]

Hey RBW list,

I have been thinking about fendering my 62 cm Hunq and am curious about 
folks experience with max tire size w fenders and which fenders work best 
for the Hunqapillar. 

I'm hoping to run Schwalbe G-One speed tires in 29x2.35 size on Cliffhanger 
rims. For fenders maybe the VO 63mm fluted fender? Or the 60mm Berthoud?
The Berthoud is spec-ed for a 2.35" tire, the VO specs a 2.2" tire but I'm 
wondering if that might be just differences in the companies suggested 
tire-fender clearances. 

Anyone a similar combo on their Hunq? What tires/fenders did you run? I'm 
open to suggestions beyond what I have listed and while I'd prefer a metal 
fender I'd do plastic if needed as I have found they generally allow a 
bigger tire in my limited experiences fendering my bikes. My Hunq is a 
green one with the larger clearances. 

Thanks!!

Kurt in Oakland

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

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Bullmoose bars look proper on that bike. Looks like fun will be had!

Eamon
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[R Shannon]

Really nice Joe. I dig the downtube shifters too!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Hoo wee, that's a nice bike! I popped a Brooks ti on Thomson post on there - 
> no need for setback on this frame - and got out in the smoke (with mask) for 
> a 'set the saddle height' ride. There's no standover to speak of for me with 
> those tall tires, but it's so nice while pedaling. 
> 
> Here's a couple of sorry-no-sun pics. Hey, did you know Waterford sells 
> touch-up paint for the Rivs they made/make? That big-ole chip will be covered 
> in a couple weeks. 
> 
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>> going to drive me crazy. Or go Full Jenny @ Riv and put a cool sticker on 
>> it! 🙂
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

The rear derailer is RapidRise. Me trying to friction shift a Campy dt lever 
going the "wrong" way was highly amusing. I can't imagine I'll keep it that 
way, but the big-frame/low-saddle setup makes the reach not too bad..let's see 
how it goes. Worst case is I don't shift much and ride in a 'mock singlespeed' 
manner, which is a thing I recall Grant promoting at one time: shifting isn't 
right-at-hand-super-easy, so you just pedal pedal pedal. Sounds good!

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Kevin Lindsey]

Joe -
Let me add my voice to the Hunq chorus - it's a really remarkable machine 
and I hope you enjoy yours as much as I've enjoyed mine.  It's not for 
racing, and it certainly goes downhill much faster than it goes up, but 
it's an amazingly comfortable bike that's perfect for aimless rides of any 
distance.  It'll also pack stuff better than a 49er's mule.  If I could 
make one recommendation: give thought to buying a Jones Loop bar 
(https://www.jonesbikes.com/h-bars/); it's the perfect handlebar for the 
Hunq.
All the best,
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

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> No worries, I bought that baby! This is a Holy Grail Riv for me, I've 
> wanted one forever but it's never quite worked out. It worked out! 
>
> On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 6:58:33 AM UTC-8, Bruce Baker wrote: 
> > Did not buy it.  I was looking for riv with a slightly smaller frame 
> than my 56cm Sam.  Turns out the 54 hunq is alost identical in frame size 
> as the 56 sam so I declined.  The guys ebay name is tattoo.jesse. 
> > Good Luck!! 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote: 
> > Hey Bruce, PMed you. I'm into that bike and didn't expect the price to 
> fall within my grasping range. It's graspable now, but I'm not going to 
> take that (very long) drive and steal it from ya. Let me know if you're 
> going to buy it.  
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[REC (Roberta)]

Hi, Joe.

I hope it's everything you expected, and hopefully more. 

Roberta 

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> No worries, I bought that baby! This is a Holy Grail Riv for me, I've 
> wanted one forever but it's never quite worked out. It worked out! 
>
> On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 6:58:33 AM UTC-8, Bruce Baker wrote: 
> > Did not buy it.  I was looking for riv with a slightly smaller frame 
> than my 56cm Sam.  Turns out the 54 hunq is alost identical in frame size 
> as the 56 sam so I declined.  The guys ebay name is tattoo.jesse. 
> > Good Luck!! 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote: 
> > Hey Bruce, PMed you. I'm into that bike and didn't expect the price to 
> fall within my grasping range. It's graspable now, but I'm not going to 
> take that (very long) drive and steal it from ya. Let me know if you're 
> going to buy it.  
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

Now I gotta figure out what color that is, the chip outta the toptube is going 
to drive me crazy. Or go Full Jenny @ Riv and put a cool sticker on it! 🙂

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Doug H.]

Nice Joe! I look forward to a ride report. 
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Marc Irwin]

You won't regret that.  I bought one when it was first introduced.  I use it 
for everything.  I loved it so much I had to have the lighter version and 
bought a56 Sam the next year.  I've been at N+0 for years since.  I use Bosco's 
on both and love them. 

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Bruce Baker]

hmmm Rodeo hunq...rodeo hunq

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 9:46 AM RichS  wrote:

> Joe, you kill me. From "want a Roadeo" to buying a Hunq!!! LOL. I like it!
> I'm giving you six months on this one:-
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 12:49:50 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> No worries, I bought that baby! This is a Holy Grail Riv for me, I've
>> wanted one forever but it's never quite worked out. It worked out!
>>
>> On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 6:58:33 AM UTC-8, Bruce Baker wrote:
>> > Did not buy it.  I was looking for riv with a slightly smaller frame
>> than my 56cm Sam.  Turns out the 54 hunq is alost identical in frame size
>> as the 56 sam so I declined.  The guys ebay name is tattoo.jesse.
>> > Good Luck!!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
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>> fall within my grasping range. It's graspable now, but I'm not going to
>> take that (very long) drive and steal it from ya. Let me know if you're
>> going to buy it.
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[RichS]

Joe, you kill me. From "want a Roadeo" to buying a Hunq!!! LOL. I like it! 
I'm giving you six months on this one:-

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> No worries, I bought that baby! This is a Holy Grail Riv for me, I've 
> wanted one forever but it's never quite worked out. It worked out! 
>
> On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 6:58:33 AM UTC-8, Bruce Baker wrote: 
> > Did not buy it.  I was looking for riv with a slightly smaller frame 
> than my 56cm Sam.  Turns out the 54 hunq is alost identical in frame size 
> as the 56 sam so I declined.  The guys ebay name is tattoo.jesse. 
> > Good Luck!! 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote: 
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> fall within my grasping range. It's graspable now, but I'm not going to 
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Bruce Baker]

Awesomeenjoy!!

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 12:49 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

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> wanted one forever but it's never quite worked out. It worked out!
>
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> > Did not buy it.  I was looking for riv with a slightly smaller frame
> than my 56cm Sam.  Turns out the 54 hunq is alost identical in frame size
> as the 56 sam so I declined.  The guys ebay name is tattoo.jesse.
> > Good Luck!!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> fall within my grasping range. It's graspable now, but I'm not going to
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Bruce Baker]

Did not buy it.  I was looking for riv with a slightly smaller frame than
my 56cm Sam.  Turns out the 54 hunq is alost identical in frame size as the
56 sam so I declined.  The guys ebay name is tattoo.jesse.
Good Luck!!

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

Ok that's handled. Enjoy your bike, Bruce!

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[Joe Bernard]

Hey Bruce, PMed you. I'm into that bike and didn't expect the price to fall 
within my grasping range. It's graspable now, but I'm not going to take that 
(very long) drive and steal it from ya. Let me know if you're going to buy it.  

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[Joe Bernard]

1500?? Bro, you should buy it before I find it!

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Bruce Baker]

Ok now I know that rim brakes are fine now I need to about fit.  I have a
56cm sam but I consider it a bit large.  Looking at the geometry (older
Hunq) the 54 cm look about th e same but it does have the bullmoose bar not
drops.  I think it is a good price point of $1500.00 whole bike.  Should I
just spring for it and stop over analyzing??
Bruce

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[RBW] Hunqapillar Repair Journey

[MartyG]

Picked up this 51cm  Hunqapillar with a dented seat tube. I plan to have it 
repaired, and may offer it for sale as it's too small for me, (dammit!)  
and too tall for my wife. Takes 26" wheels, but 650b may be an option too. 
Such a nice bike! I've been given some advice by a couple folks who know 
more about these things than I do, and the consensus is the seat tube can 
be re-rounded with no sacrifice to the integrity. Aside from aesthetics, it 
could be ridden as is. If not, the seat tube can be replaced of course, but 
that would involve a total repaint which itself costs more than the repair. 
Then again, I (or anyone interested) could pick any color...and the cost 
would still come in well below half what a new Hunq goes for these days. 

I think the best path forward is to send back to Waterford, who made it in 
Dec 2015, and have them make the assessment and repair. I would also have 
them check alignment etc. I'll use this thread to document the process, and 
this Flickr Album to show more detail:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157693058190152




If and when it is offered for sale, I'll re-post accordingly.

Marty


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[RBW] Hunqapillar for bikepacking

[RichS]

Patrick, my compliments on your inspiring  written and pictorial description of 
bikepacking. This is a keeper indeed! Many thanks for taking the time to put it 
together.

Best regards,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar for bikepacking

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Ed,

Your Atlantis set-up looks great! I don’t know you need change a thing, though 
I’d recommend if you can get some dirt road riding on jouncy roads that will 
help you learn how the bike handles on what you’ll end up with a lot of on the 
Divide Route. My main question points re set up would be quickness/feel of 
steering with that much front load and perhaps wider cushier tires — but not so 
cushy that you invite flats (either pinch or goat heads etc (which you’ll get a 
lot of down New Mexico way).

The other main thing you may want to focus on is gear/approach for weather. 
44˚F is warm for night at altitude in Wyoming and Colorado — though the way the 
route winds over and over the Continental Divide you may only have a night or 
two high up (where as some of the routes I do are all above 10,000 feet). You 
could likely get by with gear that will keep you plenty warm down to freezing 
(very common, even down to 7-8,000 feet). I know riders of the route plan for 
lows of 40, but when something happens, they have no margin for error and are 
very uncomfortable.

Here are a few thoughts on staying warm (my blood is Colorado thick, but my 
bludgeoned brain sometimes makes it so I stop producing heat, or so it feels to 
me, so I’ve had to stratigize similarly to a lowlander to stay warm. Sardonic 
grin. I’ve been in 100˚F heat of the Utah desert with my family and wanting the 
heater on. They still laugh at that one. Eye roll, sardonic grin.). My approach 
is different from most of what you’ll find out there. But you’re on this list, 
so you’re already a wee bit of an odd ball. Grin.

— Boiled wool 4-ply hat. Most heat is lost through our head. If your feet get 
cold, put on a hat. The temp range is suprisingly large, and you’ll love 
wearing it evening and morning, and sleep in it as extra warmth if needed. I 
fashon a leather chin strap to keep it on my head where I want, works a charm. 
https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear/dw-7120-adult-hat-1/#cc-m-product-12091448031
— I don’t mess with gloves, only mittens. If I need dexterity, my fingers are 
plenty warm bare for a few minutes, then back on go the mits. I find them easy 
to ride in as well, but not everyone does. 3 or 4 ply, your call. Ditto for the 
socks, both in weight and however high you want them. I only carry one pair. 
and wear when wet. 
https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear/dw-3114-adult-mitts/#cc-m-product-11727273231
— Fishnet long johns. Top essential, bottoms optional. Wiggys 
(https://www.wiggys.com) has nylon, which I find effective but rough and I 
don’t see enough net on the bottoms to make them worth it. I prefer Brynje 
(pricy, but excellent), which I got from here: 
https://nordiclife.glopal.com/en-US/  Note: I don’t think you’ll be able to 
test this out in the Philippines as I only start to wear it under my shirt when 
it is in the 40’s˚F, but on the trail and in camp, wear as your base layer. 
When you are cold, close up ventilation and/or add a layer. When you begin to 
get warm and are riding, open up BEFORE you are warm and toasty to allow air 
flow to take away moisture. Your insulative layers will still get damp, but the 
moisture will not be cooling you next to your skin. You’ll figure it out on the 
trail, but it is a different way of regulating heat/moisture than most people 
are familier with (and a LOT more effective). 
— I take a down jacket. It sktuffs small and is light and when I put it on 
feels like it radiates heat back to me, even when I feel like I’m not 
generating heat. But do not allow the down to get wet. It will not dry well. 
This is why I do not use a down sleeping bag.
— I use and love Wiggy’s sleeping bags. I can go to bed with a damp layer of 
socks and base layers on, and wake up warm and dry, having been warm all night. 
https://www.wiggys.com. You’ll likely be fine with his light weight bag, 
especially if you carry a vapor bag (I got Rivendell’s) to add on the colder 
nights (this is the system I use down to 20˚F).
— Hot coffee, tea, or chocolate is a great way to warm up. Drink till warm 
again (with your down jacket and wool hat on, of course).
— Goal when riding is to be just slightly cool when temps are 40 or cooler (60 
or cooler if cloudy).
— You may adjust some as you travel the trail, but “warm blooded” is based on 
the mitochondria in our cells and whether they produce heat energy or motion 
energy. That takes years to adjust, so don’t expect to fully acclimate. 
— All this focus is on cool weather, but it can get into the 90’s and 100’s ˚F 
in the daytime, though it will be dryer than the Philippines. I figure you know 
better than I how to handle that. Grin.

Your 3-season Hilleberg should be just fine. Hilleberg’s 3-season is most 
places’ 4-season.

For bears, I use an Ursack. https://www.ursack.com It is highly effective, but 
may not be recognized by some places as bear proof because burocracies don’t 
always understand what the issues are. 

Hope th

Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar for bikepacking

[Ed Fausto]

Thanks Steven :-)
I was concern that if my use the front panniers, it will be hitting a lot
of vegetation along the trail.
Good to know that I can use regular panniers.

Regards,
Ed

PS both front and rear Tubus racks performed without any problem during my
2016 TransAm

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> Ed, I rode the Divide with those same Tubus racks on an Ogre and clearance
> was hardly ever an issue. Steve
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:48 AM Ed Fausto  wrote:
>
>> Last year I bought Philips' 48 Hunqapillar frame and I just recently
>> installed a Cliffhanger wheelset with dyno front hub and WI MI5 rear.
>> I am planning to use the Hunqapillar for the GDMBR next year.
>> To get better clearance from the ground, I planned on using bikepacking
>> bags but handlebar bags such as Revelate Sweet roll is not compatible with
>> cantilever brakes because it will interfere with the front brake cables.
>>
>> I would like to get suggestions from the group on what bag systems to use
>> to achieve better clearance from the ground.
>>
>> PS  I rode the TransAm last year on my 51 Atlantis using Tubus Cosmo
>> (rear) and Tubus Nova low rider (front) with Carradice C front and rear
>> panniers
>>
>> Ed Fausto
>> Manila, Philippines
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[RBW] Hunqapillar for bikepacking

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome trip you have planned! Fantastic!

I prefer panniers and have ridden sections the high altitude sections of the 
GDMBR (which is 99% back roads), as well as large sections of the Colorado 
Trail and the Colorado portion of the Divide Trail (mostly single track) and 
ground clearence is a non-issue created by the marketers of frame bags. Think 
about it: if your panniers don’t go lower than your pedals and don’t stick out 
farther than your legs, you’re golden. I crash through gnarly willow and 
bracken overgrown on trails often. I love my hearty Sackville Toursacks (Back 
of Bike Bags now). They don’t care what they rub into. Frame bags are great if 
that’s what you want. They DO keep weight central to the frame, but that is 
close to a non-issue compared with how panniers carry, when properly mounted 
and loaded. For reference I haul up to 80 pounds of groceries at a go and 
bikepack with 50 pounds incl. food and water.

Framebags do force the use of ultralight gear because they do not carry much. 
You will get all four seasons, sometimes within an hour, on the trail. 
Ultralight gear is wimpy. It will fail, and in circumstances less than ideal 
that pushed it beyond it’s frail capacity. It must be babied to last. I carry 
expedition weight gear for what gear I carry. It allows me to be confident and 
comfortable no matter what. Here’s the basic setup I’ve settled on:

Hunqapillar with rear panniers, a saddlebag that leaves room for my tent, 
sleeping bag, and pad on top of the rack. Works brilliantly.

Gear:
Hilleberg Akto Tent
Wiggy’s sleeping bag (either his summer bag with a vapor barrior liner if 
needed, or the heavier zero degree)
Mesh long johns (these allow the use of any insulative layer and are amazingly 
brilliant)
Insulative layer (boiled wool knee socks, flannel shirt, down jacket, boiled 
wool mittens and hat)
Wind/rain layer: ventile
Stove/fuel

The gear I have is all heavier than an ultralight setup. But it handles wind 
rain (horizontal or otherwise), hail, snow, and because I wear minimal clothing 
and bring no extras total weight is quite low.

Things to learn before you come (if you don’t know already):

— food care in bear country
— layering of clothes, what makes it effective and how to manage it wisely.
— wise firebuilding and management (if you are using a firebox) and clearing a 
safe place for your stove.

You can see my set up here: 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/s24o-on-the-skirts-of-pikes-peak

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar for bikepacking

[Steven Sweedler]

Ed, I rode the Divide with those same Tubus racks on an Ogre and clearance
was hardly ever an issue. Steve

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:48 AM Ed Fausto  wrote:

> Last year I bought Philips' 48 Hunqapillar frame and I just recently
> installed a Cliffhanger wheelset with dyno front hub and WI MI5 rear.
> I am planning to use the Hunqapillar for the GDMBR next year.
> To get better clearance from the ground, I planned on using bikepacking
> bags but handlebar bags such as Revelate Sweet roll is not compatible with
> cantilever brakes because it will interfere with the front brake cables.
>
> I would like to get suggestions from the group on what bag systems to use
> to achieve better clearance from the ground.
>
> PS  I rode the TransAm last year on my 51 Atlantis using Tubus Cosmo
> (rear) and Tubus Nova low rider (front) with Carradice C front and rear
> panniers
>
> Ed Fausto
> Manila, Philippines
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[RBW] Hunqapillar for bikepacking

[Ed Fausto]

Last year I bought Philips' 48 Hunqapillar frame and I just recently
installed a Cliffhanger wheelset with dyno front hub and WI MI5 rear.
I am planning to use the Hunqapillar for the GDMBR next year.
To get better clearance from the ground, I planned on using bikepacking
bags but handlebar bags such as Revelate Sweet roll is not compatible with
cantilever brakes because it will interfere with the front brake cables.

I would like to get suggestions from the group on what bag systems to use
to achieve better clearance from the ground.

PS  I rode the TransAm last year on my 51 Atlantis using Tubus Cosmo (rear)
and Tubus Nova low rider (front) with Carradice C front and rear panniers

Ed Fausto
Manila, Philippines

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good point about the Clem's handling; what car magazines would call 
"forgiving". I haven't ridden mine on dirt but we have some horrendous pavement 
around here that I've hit at a good clip, and the bike is very good about going 
where you point it without any excess deviations that you have to correct. I 
would think this quality translates well to trails. 

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[drew]

We have one of each. I have a hunq, my wife has a Clem. 
Tt and chainstays do make them feel quite different. If you were planning on 
setting up the hunqapillar as a fully upright bike and using it for casual 
riding, I think they'd be pretty similar. I have drops on the hunqapillar and 
it feels like you can dig in and go pretty fast when you need to. The Clem 
sorta resists that temptation. 
When I got the hunq, I thought "wow this is like a Cadillac". Eats up bumps and 
rides super smooth, but isn't very spritely.  Then we got the Clem and the hunq 
feels like a road bike in comparison. 
Both are excellent bikes. Especially for hauling stuff around. I actually think 
the hunq is more fun with a load. In terms of stoutness, they feel very 
similar. The Clem may be a little burlier even, but I can't imagine anyone 
wanting a tougher bike than either of these. 
My wife, who is not a strong biker, rode the Clem on a mile or so of some 
accidental easy single track and loved it. It was her first semi MTB experience 
and she was very impressed with how the Clem helped her do what she was 
initially sort of afraid to. That ride really could've ended in a big fight, 
some serious blame and deep skepticism about trusting my sense of direction on 
future rides. I'm very grateful Clem made it a positive experience. 

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[Joe Bernard]

Technically, you're stating an opinion. 

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Doug H.]

I didn't realize that the wheelbase and top tube were much longer than on 
most bikes. How would it compare to say an older Trek 520?

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>
>
> Clem's wheelbase makes Hunqapillar a dirt switchback demon by comparison. 
>
> Clem chainstay is 56 cm. Hunq used to be 46 cm (in the biggest sizes for 
> both.) Hunq's have gotten a bit longer, and the chainstay is now 49 cm in 
> the biggest size. I've ridden the older geometry Hunq and the Clem, and the 
> difference is noticeable. I'm not saying one is better than the other. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Doug H. > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hunqapillar vs Clem Smith Jr. What are the differences other than lugs 
> and country of origin?  Both seem to be mountain bikes and all rounders. 
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[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Tim, I should add that it could very well depend on the size frame too.  The 
65cm fits me just right for a big upright laid back ride but I have little 
stand over with 97pbh on a frame suitable for up to 100pbh but for more 
aggressive trail riding a 59cm frame with regular bullmoose bars would likely 
work for me just fine with only occasional log jumps

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[iamkeith]

Agree that the appaloosa is not comparable, with it's smaller tire clearance.  
The ability to fit a 2.5" tire, with fenders, is what sets the clem and hunq 
apart.

If one of the clems fits really well, I'd have a hard time telling someone they 
would should get a hunq.  But don't compromise if it doesn't.  I love my clem 
(59) but will probably swap it for a hunq now that they finally make one in my 
size (56).

I enjoy the clem on singletrack and, if i had adequate standover clearance, 
might even choose it more often DESPITE the fact that i have 6 other mountain 
bikes to choose from.  For rowdy fun on trails, i do think ultra-short 
chainstays are the way to go, but i enjoy the uniqueness and variety of the 
clem's long stays.  It's almost impossible to pop the front end up and "manual" 
over logs and such, and requires more regular dismounts and portages. If you're 
not in a hurry, that's not an issue - but you should be aware.

The clem's long front end makes rough descents feel confident, and difficult to 
endo.  The "new" hunq geometries seem to have gone this way too, though.

Its also an amazingly good climber if you get the handlebar position right, 
because you have so much room to shift your weight fore and aft as necessary. 

Last consideration, for someone who really wants to prioritze trail riding, is 
wheel size.  Bigger diameter is smoother by far.  So, for instance, if I fit a 
legacy 54 hunq, which took 29" wheels, I would absolutely choose that over a 52 
clem with 650b wheels.  

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Timothy Hurley]

Thanks Brian. That's what I figured.

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Garth]

An H frame rides like an H , a Sam a Sam .  Kinda like Apples, a Pippin tastes 
like a Pippin and a Fireside tastes like a Fireside. 

But how do you choose ?   Nothing less than both could ever completely satisfy. 
 Just stating the truth. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Doug, I have no experience with a Hunq but own a Clem.  The Clem has a Hunq 
fork and otherwise appears to be just as stout as a Hunq but sans diagatube and 
at a much lower price point.  As others noted the Clem is much longer ... in 
both chainstay and top tube. Clem is also designed for big swept back bars 
(bosco) and feels like it has more cruiser in it’s lineage.  Depending where 
you fall in the fit range of any given size may determine what options you have 
for alternate setups.

Im at the bottom of the pbh range for 65cm Clem and wouldn’t want to use 
anything but swept back bars with its epic top tube length.

Timothy,  I’ve taken my Clem on one small stretch of local singletrack many 
times with success but would not recommend for very tight technical trails... 
twisty and flowy sure, but not very technical and rocky where something shorter 
and easier to hop with would be preferable

Brian Cole 
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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Timothy Hurley]

What are people's experiences with a Clem on single track? I'm thinking about 
getting the one of the new silver ones. I'm planning on swapping (most of) the 
parts over from an 80something Trek 950 I use as a trail bike. I don't really 
leave the ground or do anything too fancy, I only ride over logs small enough 
that the chainring clears.

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Belopsky]

Is it better to compare the hunq and Joe appa ?

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

My Clem L seems pretty stout. I'd be surprised if the Hunq has thicker tubes, I 
think it's more a matter of different designs creating different types of bikes 
with a lot of crossover in abilities. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[MountNormal]

FWIW, Hunqapillars are built by Waterford with heat-treated MUSA steel tubing. 
I'm no metallurgist nor am I a frame builder so I don't really know what 
heat-treating does for a frame. I read an article  (or maybe an interview) in 
which Grant talks about heat-treated vs. non heat-treated tubing regarding his 
designs. Also, and don't quote me on this, but I think the Hunqapillar tubing 
is thicker, more robust. So, in summation, all I know for certain is that I own 
a Hunqapillar and I like it. 

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[James Warren]

Clem's wheelbase makes Hunqapillar a dirt switchback demon by comparison.

Clem chainstay is 56 cm. Hunq used to be 46 cm (in the biggest sizes for both.) 
Hunq's have gotten a bit longer, and the chainstay is now 49 cm in the biggest 
size. I've ridden the older geometry Hunq and the Clem, and the difference is 
noticeable. I'm not saying one is better than the other.


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> On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> Hunqapillar vs Clem Smith Jr. What are the differences other than lugs and 
> country of origin?  Both seem to be mountain bikes and all rounders. 
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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Doug H.]

Hunqapillar vs Clem Smith Jr. What are the differences other than lugs and 
country of origin?  Both seem to be mountain bikes and all rounders. 

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar Drivetrain Upgrade

[Jim Bronson]

That is pretty awesome for a bike packing or touring bike.

I think for brevet usage though, I'd still want a double and have the
cassette more closely spaced.  Ideally for a brevet the more cruising gears
you have between 65 and 85 gear inches, the better.

I think a 11-30 12 speed with a 38/24 Clem crankset up front would be the
bees knees for Randonneurs.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 4:26 PM Keith Muller  wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> So I upgraded the drivetrain on my Hunqapillar with a new SRAM Eagle XX1
> Kit and a White Industries M30 Crank w/ 38T Ring.  I must say it's solid
> setup.  I'm excited to get out and do some bike packing with it.  I was
> comparing gear inches on this setup with the touring setup on my Atlantis.
> I lost a little on the top end that I rarely ever us, But I was able to
> match the low end.  So far I'm happy with the setup.  A few loaded trips
> will give me the full story.  I've posted some data below for the bike
> nerds out there.
>
> Keith
>
> Bike Hunqapillar Atlantis
> Chainrings 38T 47/36/26T
> Cassette 10-50T 12 Spd 11-34T 9 Spd
> Gear Inch Comparison
>
> Hunq Atlantis
> 38 47 36 26
> 10 110.54 11 *123.7* 94.7 68.4
> 12 92.21 13 104.6 80.1 57.9
> 14 78.83 15 90.7 69.5 50.2
> 16 69.23 17 80 61.3 44.3
> 18 61.38 20 68 52.1 37.6
> 21 52.65 23 59.1 45.3 32.7
> 24 45.96 26 52.3 40.1 28.9
> 28 39.56 30 45.3 34.7 25.1
> 32 34.61 34 40 30.6 *22.1*
> 36 30.83
> 42 26.18
> 50 22.11
> Speed Comparison - Based on a 29 X 2.3 Tire pedaling at 90rpms
>
> Hunq Atlantis
> Mph Mph
> Highest Gear 29.6 Highest Gear 33.3
> Lowest Gear 5.9 Lowest Gear 5.9
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar Drivetrain Upgrade

[Patrick Moore]

To reply to Jacob's question: I've never used a 1X system with more than 5
or 7 cogs in back, but I have used many pseudo 1X9s and, now, 10, but these
really being "1 plus hardly ever used granny." That is, the drivetrain is
for all practical purposes, and for 95%+ of the riding, a 1X system. If set
up right, this has the advantage that you don't have to shift rings, and
therefore, usually, multiple rear cogs as followup, to maintain serial gear
ratios. I discovered this when I had a Fargo with a standard X2D triple
(46/36/24) X 7: the big ring was fine for pavement and flat dirt, but get
into dirt and hills, and I was always having to shift between big and
middle ring. A wide range double cured that -- far nicer to ride. Again,
the 24 was just along for most rides, but comforting in a psychological way
when one knew it was there "just in case."

I suppose that a 1X system takes this to the next level -- *all* your
gears, including those tiny ones in the low 20s that I personally never
use, at the flick of the right hand.

Here's the 1X12 drivetrain I'd like on my "road bike for dirt", 28.5" tires:

44
14 90
15 84
16 78
17 74
18 70
19 66
20 63
22 57
24 52
28 45
34 37
42 30
The * system actuel:*

  42 28
14 86
15 80
16 75
17 70
18 67 44
19 63 42
20 60 40
22 54 36
24 50 33
28 43 29

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> 12? On the Rivendell list? Who'd a' thunk??
>
> Seriously, I have no complaint with 12, as long as it doesn't involve
> electric shifting and computers, and as long as it last a reasonable number
> of miles. I'll be interested to hear how 11 and 12 (and for that matter,
> 10, to which I changed from 9 not too long ago) last compared to, say, oh,
> 8 or 7.
>
> 127" gear? Wow, you are much better off now than before and I, if it were
> my bike, would drop the gear to something no higher than 100; my only
> derailleur bike tops out at 86 gi, and my highest geared road bike tops out
> at 76" (because it's a fixie with a 76 high/67 low). I can easily hit 30 in
> a 76, at least for a quarter mile or so, and I several times hit 37 1/2 in
> a 75" gear and twice 48 in a 96" gear, back when my gofast derailleur bike
> topped out at 48/12 X 24" wheel (559 X 23 mm). 30 in a 76" gear is only a
> wee bit above 130 r's pm, which is quite easy on a downhill or with a
> strong tailwind.
>
> Irreguleur ja...@harring.nyc via googlegroups.com asked about the
> longevity and dish of a 12 speed rear wheel. And I'll add, what is the OL
> spacing? I too will be interested in hearing about the dish.
>
> I seem to recall a post not too long ago, on this or the iBob list,
> showcasing a young adventure rider who shifts 12 SRAMs in back with a
> friction shifter. Can anyone recall that thread? If it's possible to shift
> 10 using high-leverage shifter and derailleur, I should think that 12 would
> be possible with a more modern, lower-leverage system -- say, Silver
> shifters and a modern rd.
>
> Patrick Moore, who just had a nice 20 miler in breezy, moderately warm
> ABQ, NM in that 76" gear.
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Keith Muller  wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> So I upgraded the drivetrain on my Hunqapillar with a new SRAM Eagle XX1
>> Kit and a White Industries M30 Crank w/ 38T Ring.  I must say it's solid
>> setup.  I'm excited to get out and do some bike packing with it.  I was
>> comparing gear inches on this setup with the touring setup on my Atlantis.
>> I lost a little on the top end that I rarely ever us, But I was able to
>> match the low end.  So far I'm happy with the setup.  A few loaded trips
>> will give me the full story.  I've posted some data below for the bike
>> nerds out there.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> Bike Hunqapillar Atlantis
>> Chainrings 38T 47/36/26T
>> Cassette 10-50T 12 Spd 11-34T 9 Spd
>> Gear Inch Comparison
>>
>> Hunq Atlantis
>> 38 47 36 26
>> 10 110.54 11 *123.7* 94.7 68.4
>> 12 92.21 13 104.6 80.1 57.9
>> 14 78.83 15 90.7 69.5 50.2
>> 16 69.23 17 80 61.3 44.3
>> 18 61.38 20 68 52.1 37.6
>> 21 52.65 23 59.1 45.3 32.7
>> 24 45.96 26 52.3 40.1 28.9
>> 28 39.56 30 45.3 34.7 25.1
>> 32 34.61 34 40 30.6 *22.1*
>> 36 30.83
>> 42 26.18
>> 50 22.11
>> Speed Comparison - Based on a 29 X 2.3 Tire pedaling at 90rpms
>>
>> Hunq Atlantis
>> Mph Mph
>> Highest Gear 29.6 Highest Gear 33.3
>> Lowest Gear 5.9 Lowest Gear 5.9
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar Drivetrain Upgrade

[Patrick Moore]

12? On the Rivendell list? Who'd a' thunk??

Seriously, I have no complaint with 12, as long as it doesn't involve
electric shifting and computers, and as long as it last a reasonable number
of miles. I'll be interested to hear how 11 and 12 (and for that matter,
10, to which I changed from 9 not too long ago) last compared to, say, oh,
8 or 7.

127" gear? Wow, you are much better off now than before and I, if it were
my bike, would drop the gear to something no higher than 100; my only
derailleur bike tops out at 86 gi, and my highest geared road bike tops out
at 76" (because it's a fixie with a 76 high/67 low). I can easily hit 30 in
a 76, at least for a quarter mile or so, and I several times hit 37 1/2 in
a 75" gear and twice 48 in a 96" gear, back when my gofast derailleur bike
topped out at 48/12 X 24" wheel (559 X 23 mm). 30 in a 76" gear is only a
wee bit above 130 r's pm, which is quite easy on a downhill or with a
strong tailwind.

Irreguleur ja...@harring.nyc via googlegroups.com asked about the longevity
and dish of a 12 speed rear wheel. And I'll add, what is the OL spacing? I
too will be interested in hearing about the dish.

I seem to recall a post not too long ago, on this or the iBob list,
showcasing a young adventure rider who shifts 12 SRAMs in back with a
friction shifter. Can anyone recall that thread? If it's possible to shift
10 using high-leverage shifter and derailleur, I should think that 12 would
be possible with a more modern, lower-leverage system -- say, Silver
shifters and a modern rd.

Patrick Moore, who just had a nice 20 miler in breezy, moderately warm ABQ,
NM in that 76" gear.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Keith Muller  wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> So I upgraded the drivetrain on my Hunqapillar with a new SRAM Eagle XX1
> Kit and a White Industries M30 Crank w/ 38T Ring.  I must say it's solid
> setup.  I'm excited to get out and do some bike packing with it.  I was
> comparing gear inches on this setup with the touring setup on my Atlantis.
> I lost a little on the top end that I rarely ever us, But I was able to
> match the low end.  So far I'm happy with the setup.  A few loaded trips
> will give me the full story.  I've posted some data below for the bike
> nerds out there.
>
> Keith
>
> Bike Hunqapillar Atlantis
> Chainrings 38T 47/36/26T
> Cassette 10-50T 12 Spd 11-34T 9 Spd
> Gear Inch Comparison
>
> Hunq Atlantis
> 38 47 36 26
> 10 110.54 11 *123.7* 94.7 68.4
> 12 92.21 13 104.6 80.1 57.9
> 14 78.83 15 90.7 69.5 50.2
> 16 69.23 17 80 61.3 44.3
> 18 61.38 20 68 52.1 37.6
> 21 52.65 23 59.1 45.3 32.7
> 24 45.96 26 52.3 40.1 28.9
> 28 39.56 30 45.3 34.7 25.1
> 32 34.61 34 40 30.6 *22.1*
> 36 30.83
> 42 26.18
> 50 22.11
> Speed Comparison - Based on a 29 X 2.3 Tire pedaling at 90rpms
>
> Hunq Atlantis
> Mph Mph
> Highest Gear 29.6 Highest Gear 33.3
> Lowest Gear 5.9 Lowest Gear 5.9
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[RBW] Hunqapillar Drivetrain Upgrade

[Daniel Jackson]

That is rad. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I tried both on my visit to HQ, and ended up with an Appaloosa almost entirely 
because it was cheaper. Not that I couldn't save up for the Hunq but it's more 
money than I'm comfortable sinking into a bike at my station in life. But the 
Hunq had something in the ride quality that was doing it for me. It reminded me 
of my Bridgestone MB, which is an amazingly comfy bike in my mind. 

Worth noting that if you are a taller person, you won't be able to hop on the 
650b train on an Appaloosa. Hunqs can be ordered up to 59 size with 650b 
wheels. I ride 29x2.1 on my Joe and it's is a lot of tire to be pushing around 
everywhere I go. Like I said, I really like riding 26" on my MB-5. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[J Imler]

Would anyone speak to heel clearance on the Hunq? I've got a rear rack with 
side Wald baskets on my App and there's no issue at all with heel rub. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Jay Connolly]

No question that the fork is more burly on the 2017s. I had that straight front 
Grant.

If the trails and light and relatively smooth, the Appaloosa would bike fine. I 
like the widest possible tires for rough trails. On a recently camping trip, I 
took the Appaloosa and suffered a little over about 10km of rocky trails. I 
should have dropped the pressure in the tires, which would have improved 
things, but a genuine MTB would have been a better choice for the day. If that 
sort of riding (rough, rocky trails) will be rare for you, the Joe will be just 
fine. If it's more regular, then I'd go with the Hunq.

Jay

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Keith Muller]

Michelle, 

I own a Hunqapillar, an Atlantis, and an Appaloosa.  My Hunqapillar is by far 
my favorite bike.  The Hunqapillar has a longer top tube so it works better 
with flat or swept-back bars.  The Appaloosa has a little shorter top tube, but 
it's also a bike that works well with flat or swept-back bars.

Personally I like the nicer details and look of the Hunqapillar, but it's also 
$1000+ more than the Appaloosa.  

If budget is a concern, get the Appaloosa.  If not, go for the Hunqapillar.  
Both will ride well.  I've done many of the same things with both bikes and 
have never thought to myself that I missed out by not being on the other bike.

At the end of the day, they are both bikes.  You'll be happy either way.  Just 
make sure what ever bike it is, that you like the color.

Cheers,

Keith

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Richard Rios]

I'd ask if you are the type who likes to have one or multiple bikes. If one  go 
Appa. If you like to have bikes that are more specalized get the Hunqa. I'm 
sure both are great and can be used as allrounders as most Rivs can. But if ya 
buy kinda smack dab in the middle like with an appa, if you ever go to buy a 
new bike you will be looking for ways to differentiate it or asking yourself 
just why did you get the new one. I ran into this with my Atlantis and Clem. 
Buy Rivs towards the ends Hunqa and Roadini. With that kinda setup most all 
middle ground is covered. or buy one in the middle and strech towards the ends 
and don't worry about what you are missing because it wont be much as far as 
general fun and fitness riding go...

best,
Richard 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[drew]

I believe that the Appaloosa started as a middle ground between hunq and 
hillborne, but by the time it was made it had been made burlier and lies 
between a hunq and an Atlantis. At least that's my recollection of the 
chronology. 

I have a hunq, which will soon be traded for an Atlantis. It is a great bike. 
Best I've ever owned. 

I've come to think of rivendell as a line of do-it-all bikes. There is a lot of 
overlap between models and the bikes do not excel at any one specific thing, 
other than ride quality, comfort and beauty. I mean this in the most positive 
way. I think that even a hilsen with big tires could do 99% of what most people 
use their hunqapillars for. 
So I guess what I mean is that, if you want a mountain bike or a racing bike, I 
wouldn't get a rivendell. You'd be missing out on what those bikes offer in 
their specialty and missing out on what a riv offers outside of that specialty. 

I would assume that they are functionally equivalent. So I would make my choice 
based on handlebars and wheel size. 
I am a medium sized guy and have found my one complaint about the hunqapillar 
to be 29er tires on a medium sized bike. I could run a small 700c tire on the 
bike, but that would feel sacrilegious to me. 
As far as handlebars go, I don't know that id want to try to run drops on the 
Appaloosa. I know people do it and like it, but that bike was designed for 
upright bars. The hunq does drops just fine.  In the opposite way, I had a 
hillborne that I felt was too short in the top tube for upright bars. 

Lastly,  If like me, you have more idealistic views of your riding than actual, 
id recommend rectifying the two before purchasing. I thought I would be doing 
lots of off road riding and touring... I wish that was true. In actuality, in 
Los Angeles, 75% of my riding is on roads. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Joe Bernard]

As Deacon Patrick says, the Hunqapillar is billed/built as a full-on mountain 
bike, while Riv places Appaloosa as a touring bike halfway between Hunq and 
Hillborne. I've owned an Appaloosa (sold for financial/life-went-crazy reasons, 
no problem with bike) and it's a spectacular road-and-trail bicycle. 

I'd wait and pay for a Hunqapillar for these reasons: Love the color, love the 
name/headbadge/decals, ride lots of singletrack. Otherwise Appaloosa is the 
one.   

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Michele]

Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
What would make you choose one over the other?

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[RBW] Hunqapillar 650B impressions

[iamkeith]

Thanks for posting!  Also for including your saddle height. So much more 
useful.  I'd been actively watching for pictures of one of these on Riv's pages 
but, since i hadn't seen one, figured none had been built yet.  Very glad not 
to see a diagatube.  Any chance you could take a couple of pictures of the tire 
clearace at the fork crown and chainstay areas? Congrats, by the way.

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[RBW] Hunqapillar 650B impressions

[Michael Morrissey]

That looks great! The vintage bullmoose bars are very cool!

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[RBW] Hunqapillar 650B impressions

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Looks great!  Congratulations on a fabulous ride

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[RBW] Hunqapillar build report

[John G.]

Love it! I'm debating switching out the albas on my 58cm Hunq, too. I might go 
for Dirt Drops. 

What tires are you running? I've had a bit of a tire crisis on my Hunq. I put 
some Snoqualmie Passes on them. Loved the feel, but they were puny. I know have 
Schwalbe Big Ones (2.35). Very happy with them so far.

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[RBW] Hunqapillar build report

[John G.]

Love it! I'm debating switching out the albas on my 58cm Hunq, too. I might go 
for Dirt Drops. 

What tires are you running? I've had a bit of a tire crisis on my Hunq. I put 
some Snoqualmie Passes on them. Loved the feel, but they were puny. I know have 
Schwalbe Big Ones (2.35). Very happy with them so far.

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[RBW] Hunqapillar build report

[Bob B]

Hi all,

I built up a 58cm Hunq myself this June, in a rush so that I could take it 
on a 300-mile tour (DC > Pittsburgh via C&O/GAP), but finally, as of today, 
got it how I REALLY wanted it. They breakthrough was switching out the 
original Albas (an experiment) for my truly favorite bar, the Boscos (the 
Bullmoose version for this build).

It's a fairly "traditional" build, I suppose. The only unique thing about 
it may be the vintage Tektro levers. I love them, they're light as hell and 
have such a sharp design. Why did I use a barend for the front and a 
thumbie for the rear? Beats me.

It's depicted here in lite-mode. When I took this on the tour I had it 
loaded up pretty good, using an inexpensive Blackburn MTN rack (in bright 
red) on which I mounted two bright orange Seattle Sports panniers. I used a 
vintage Frostline Kit saddle bag and stuffed my basket pretty full with my 
tent. Used my RandiJoFab bartender bag for phone/wallet/map. I included a 
couple of shots of that build at the end.

See photos here:
https://goo.gl/photos/jwMRwLSk2jFW2amv9













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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar: A Bike's Bike. 5-year Review

[Deacon Patrick]

Jim, I shifted from Albatross to the new Moustache (aka Albastache). I 
needed access to my brakes in the forward position, as that's where I 
prefer to be on descents. Absolutely love the new Moustache!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, Jim D Massachusetts wrote:
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> I bought a set of choconormal bars to replace the noodles on my Hunq. I 
> would be interested in your reaction to this swap. Deacon, did you have the 
> albastash bars on your Hunq from the start, or was this a swap from 
> something else? Jim D Massachusetts
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:36:17 PM UTC-5, Jennings wrote:
>>
>> I love my hunqapillar.  I'm in the process of switching out my noodles 
>> and going over to bosco bullmoose bars for a more upright position. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar: A Bike's Bike. 5-year Review

[Jim D Massachusetts]

I bought a set of choconormal bars to replace the noodles on my Hunq. I 
would be interested in your reaction to this swap. Deacon, did you have the 
albastash bars on your Hunq from the start, or was this a swap from 
something else? Jim D Massachusetts

On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:36:17 PM UTC-5, Jennings wrote:
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> I love my hunqapillar.  I'm in the process of switching out my noodles and 
> going over to bosco bullmoose bars for a more upright position. 

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar: A Bike's Bike. 5-year Review

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Deacon,
Nice cycling area!
Wonderfull pictures.

Can't wait to get my 48 Hunqapillar I bought from Philip :-)

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I love my hunqapillar.  I'm in the process of switching out my noodles and 
going over to bosco bullmoose bars for a more upright position. 

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar: A Bike's Bike. 5-year Review

[Deacon Patrick]

You calling me a paeanon? Huh? Huh! HUH!

Perhaps a better way to say it is: Hunqapillar is beyond cool. As in cool 
is irrelevant. Hunqapillar has no aspirations to be cool and could not care 
less whether the cool kids recognize it's beyond coolness. Some few and 
wise, like you, know beyond cool is the only cool, so focus on what matters 
instead. Cool says everything about the coolee and nothing about the 
cooler. Or something. In iambic pentameter. Grin.

Thank you for the gracious compliment on my photography. I am humbled by 
it. Since a few years into the bludgeoned brain, whenever the iPhone came 
out, I shifted from a DSLR to the iPhone and haven't looked back. Perhaps 
like low bottom brackets and rocks and roots and pedal strikes, it's more 
about technique than equipment? From my perspective I mostly point and 
shoot. Perhaps I've retained a wee bit of my photo geek f-stoppin' teen-age 
darkroom years. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 6:09:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Patrick: That is a true paean to the Hunquapillar. You need to compose an 
> epic in dactylic hexameter singing its praise, describing a week-long 
> mountain journey.
>
> And don't tell me that the Hunq isn't cool! It's damned cool! Any serious 
> cyclist will recognize the stylish uniqueness.
>
> As usual, beautiful photos, for which, thanks.
>
> I'm curious: your photos are among the better composed, and consistently 
> so, that are posted to the list. Yet you never talk photo technicalities. 
> Is it inspiration, pure luck, or are you a closet technical expert?
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> I’d posted this to my blog a while ago … and on today’s ride I again 
>> admired my Hunqapillar’s love for go anywhere, do anything. Also, this 
>> answers some of the questions folks had about the Hunq whilst I was away…
>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/the-mad-genious-of-rivendells-hunqapillar
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar: A Bike's Bike. 5-year Review

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: That is a true paean to the Hunquapillar. You need to compose an
epic in dactylic hexameter singing its praise, describing a week-long
mountain journey.

And don't tell me that the Hunq isn't cool! It's damned cool! Any serious
cyclist will recognize the stylish uniqueness.

As usual, beautiful photos, for which, thanks.

I'm curious: your photos are among the better composed, and consistently
so, that are posted to the list. Yet you never talk photo technicalities.
Is it inspiration, pure luck, or are you a closet technical expert?

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I’d posted this to my blog a while ago … and on today’s ride I again
> admired my Hunqapillar’s love for go anywhere, do anything. Also, this
> answers some of the questions folks had about the Hunq whilst I was away…
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/the-mad-genious-of-rivendells-hunqapillar
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Hunqapillar: A Bike's Bike. 5-year Review

[Bob K.]

As always, DP, I finding myself envious of your riding environs and thankful 
for your post. The pictures are beautiful, too!

My late father wasn't a cyclist, but he sure loved the Rockies. I can hardly 
wait for my summer trip to ride the MT portion of the Great Divide trail.

All the best from non-mountainous Baltimore,

Bob

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[RBW] Hunqapillar: A Bike's Bike. 5-year Review

[Deacon Patrick]

I’d posted this to my blog a while ago … and on today’s ride I again admired my 
Hunqapillar’s love for go anywhere, do anything. Also, this answers some of the 
questions folks had about the Hunq whilst I was away…
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/the-mad-genious-of-rivendells-hunqapillar

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar Rides Again!

[Lungimsam]

Yeeerer-haaaww!
Ro!

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar Rides Again!

[René Sterental]

Congrats!!!

On Thursday, August 25, 2016, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> A! What joy! And what gift to get to celebrate the differences between
> the ent and the mammoth after nearly a month of Quickbeam only riding
> awaiting my new month’s bike budget to repair my Hunqapillar’s hub (which
> rides beautifully!).
>
> Thoughts on the various terrain and related gifts of each bike:
>
> Rough gravely MUP and packed but softer rained on clayish road: they are
> equal to the task and both excel at it in their own way. Where the QB is
> spry, agile, and responsive, the Hunqapiller is solid, smooth, and
> responsive.
>
> Smooth-ish asphalt: Quickbeam wins, but just, and not surprisingly given I
> have Thunderburts on the Hunqa and Barlow’s on the QB. Thoroughbred
> racehorse on the track in it’s element, vs the brumby who runs the track
> nearly as fast all the while eyeing the distant mountains calling on the
> horizon. Grin.
>
> Single track: Brumby’s delight! Fast, smooth, sure-footed, solid,
> swooping, agile, confident on uncertain terrain. yes, the QB can do it, but
> just, and with great care.
>
> One photo for you, with my for the moment naked handlebars. https://www.
> flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/28609833453/in/dateposted-public/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Hunqapillar Rides Again!

[Deacon Patrick]

A! What joy! And what gift to get to celebrate the differences between the 
ent and the mammoth after nearly a month of Quickbeam only riding awaiting my 
new month’s bike budget to repair my Hunqapillar’s hub (which rides 
beautifully!).

Thoughts on the various terrain and related gifts of each bike:

Rough gravely MUP and packed but softer rained on clayish road: they are equal 
to the task and both excel at it in their own way. Where the QB is spry, agile, 
and responsive, the Hunqapiller is solid, smooth, and responsive.

Smooth-ish asphalt: Quickbeam wins, but just, and not surprisingly given I have 
Thunderburts on the Hunqa and Barlow’s on the QB. Thoroughbred racehorse on the 
track in it’s element, vs the brumby who runs the track nearly as fast all the 
while eyeing the distant mountains calling on the horizon. Grin.

Single track: Brumby’s delight! Fast, smooth, sure-footed, solid, swooping, 
agile, confident on uncertain terrain. yes, the QB can do it, but just, and 
with great care.

One photo for you, with my for the moment naked handlebars. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/28609833453/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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[RBW] Hunqapillar tire clearance

[Beardpapa]

Has anyone tried the Surly 26x2.5 surly extraterrestrials in the Hunq? I 
have the 26x2.3 Compass Rat Traps mounted on Sun Rhyno Lite Rims with quite 
a bit of room to spare but they seem to measure a bit lower than listed 
(closer to 2.2). 

What's the largest tire that you've seen or ridden on a Hunq? Thanks in 
advance, eh?

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[RBW] Hunqapillar on MLK Day

[Daniel Jackson]

Sunny snow on this VT day. 

So far the best of 2016: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAsUTEdgiwJ/?taken-by=taraxippoi

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[RBW] Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[brianweee]

Is anyone using their Rivendell Hunqapillar as a dirt drop mountain bike? 
or monster cross bike style? I currently ride a 26" wheel-size, 55.5cm 
Elephant with pretty light weight tubing. It's been great, but it's a 
little small for me and I think I would prefer a larger wheel diameter. 


I'm thinking a Rivendell Hunqapillar with drops for my next build, but 
would love to hear people's thoughts

   - is a Rivendell Hunqapillar the right frame for this build? Other 
   suggestions?
   - what tires can the Hunqapillar really clear? 2.35" Racing Ralphs? (i 
   saw a slick 2.5" front tire at the Riv store)
   - what bars are you using/would you use? 


Inspirations: 
Allan's Hunqapillar on Prolly



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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar owner opinions and sizing recommendations

[cyclotourist]

Jason, you're taller than me, but I think we have the same length legs. A
61cm horizontal TT frame fits me perfectly. I think the 62 Hunq would be
too big, especially as it has an angled TT. And don't forget you'll
(presumably) be riding with fat tires. You would get a taller head tube and
longer TT on the 62, and maybe that would be worth it to you as you might
have a longer torso.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Jason Braaten 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm considering purchasing a Hunqapillar in the near future, as I want to
> combine my love for roads and dirt onto the same vessel.  I'm 6'2" with a
> 34 inseam and typically ride a 60cm st ctc on my vintage road bikes and XL
> mountain bike.   I haven't measured my pbh, however was hoping to get
> opinions from Hunqapillar owners who are ridding 58cm and 62cm's.  Curious
> what the 6' - 6'3 crowd is riding and how you like it. On the road bikes,
> 62cm is usually a little too large for my liking.  Any opinions are greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> J Braaten
> Brick, NJ 08724
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[RBW] Hunqapillar owner opinions and sizing recommendations

[Jason Braaten]

Hi All,

I'm considering purchasing a Hunqapillar in the near future, as I want to 
combine my love for roads and dirt onto the same vessel.  I'm 6'2" with a 34 
inseam and typically ride a 60cm st ctc on my vintage road bikes and XL 
mountain bike.   I haven't measured my pbh, however was hoping to get opinions 
from Hunqapillar owners who are ridding 58cm and 62cm's.  Curious what the 6' - 
6'3 crowd is riding and how you like it. On the road bikes, 62cm is usually a 
little too large for my liking.  Any opinions are greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

J Braaten
Brick, NJ 08724

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[RBW] Hunqapillar in northern VT To try?

[Daniel Jackson]

Anybody out there in northern VT with a 58 or 62 Hunq that would let me give 
her a test ride?  

I'm btw sizes and would like to make sure the larger Hunq will do me well. 

Thanks,
D. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar review in Bicycle Times

[Jim M.]

Looks good: http://bicycletimesmag.com/field-tested-rivendell-hunqapillar/


jim m
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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Philip Kim]

Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop than the 
Alantis (26). Shok
Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?

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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Kellie]

Both 26" wheels, both cantis, both fit a max. tire of 2.35 I'm my 
respective size. What are differences? Of course, beside the $300 for a 
frame. They even share the same build kits.

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Re: [RBW] HUNQAPILLAR tire clearance experience, a subsequent design curiosity & belated NEW BIKE DAY!

[James Warren]

I have a prototype Hunqapillar, from just before they released them for sale.

The clearance on it is still pretty dang good. I easily do 700x55 Big Bens, and 
I'm pretty sure I could do 2.15's or so in something more knobby like Smart Sam.

My understanding is that the clearance widened from mine through the first 
"real" ones sold, onto the modern version. So I doubt there has been a Hunq 
made that's not great in the tire clearance department.

That last statement's true as long as your standards are not such that 2.3" and 
above defines greatness. I've never tried 2.3's on mine, but I wouldn't venture 
to say I could go that far.

-Jim W.

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On Feb 3, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Ant Ritchey  wrote:

> Hello Riv folk & Hunq tribe.
> 
> Ant in Portland, here.  Happy to say I'm the most excited owner of the custom 
> paint jobb'd 62cm 2012 Waterford Hunq (AKA The Silver Fox) that the lovely 
> Keith B posted FS a few months back.  (The sideways picture in that post did 
> that paint job so little justice!!!)  The bike went through a standard 
> baptism: brutal fenderless solo sunrise mud quest through Forest Park, rack 
> install and a near immediate swapping and switching of bars, stem & tires.
> 
> The 50mm Schwalbe Duremes that came on the Hunq are wonderful tires & they 
> are most appreciated additions via their new path in life on the Atlantis.  
> So no surprise here, right?  I wanna go bigger on the Hunqapillar.  I threw 
> on the biggest I had laying around, some 29 x 2.1 Kenda Small Block 8's.  My 
> caliper says 54mm at the widest knob diameter.  (I was able to safely squeeze 
> these onto my Atlantis, for the record.)  There's some room to go bigger, of 
> course and here's where you all can steer me in the right direction...  
> "Gobs" of clearance when it comes to the fork and chainstays, but looking at 
> the seat stays it seems like a 60mm/2.35" would be pushing it.
> 
> I'm on the verge of buying the first set of For-The-Hunq tires and I'd very 
> much appreciate the Good Word of thee Group.  I'm looking at some Panaracer 
> 2.2's but would love to max this baby out!  Can i go bigger?  What's the 
> word?  Do you Bombadil riders get more clearance or no?
> 
> From the design perspective: Probably ain't so easy to make much more 
> clearance in the seat stay zone without doing something funky (ie bowed 
> Atlantis chainstays), but my function/design question is this: why mega wide 
> clearances at the fork & chainstays if the seat stay clearance is the ceiling 
> at a mere (sarcasm) 59.5ishmm?  
> 
> Also- if anyone recalls the initial FS posting and thread for this bike, 
> (---> HERE <) there was a mention by the now-previous owner of "larger 
> tire clearance edition" 
> which roused some questions in the group to little avail.  Were early batches 
> of Hunq's maxing out at a more narrow tire?  It's no big deal but I admit I 
> am a little confused by this claim.  Any and all info greatly appreciated.  
> OK. Enough.  I'm gonna go ride now, I swear.
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[RBW] HUNQAPILLAR tire clearance experience, a subsequent design curiosity & belated NEW BIKE DAY!

[Ant Ritchey]

Hello Riv folk & Hunq tribe.

Ant in Portland, here.  Happy to say I'm the most excited owner of the 
custom paint jobb'd 62cm 2012 Waterford Hunq (AKA The Silver Fox) that the 
lovely Keith B posted FS a few months back.  (The sideways picture in that 
post did that paint job so little justice!!!)  The bike went through a 
standard baptism: brutal fenderless solo sunrise mud quest through Forest 
Park, rack install and a near immediate swapping and switching of bars, 
stem & tires.

The 50mm Schwalbe Duremes that came on the Hunq are wonderful tires & they 
are most appreciated additions via their new path in life on the Atlantis. 
 So no surprise here, right?  I wanna go bigger on the Hunqapillar.  I 
threw on the biggest I had laying around, some 29 x 2.1 Kenda Small Block 
8's.  My caliper says 54mm at the widest knob diameter.  (I was able to 
safely squeeze these onto my Atlantis, for the record.)  There's some room 
to go bigger, of course and here's where you all can steer me in the right 
direction...  "Gobs" of clearance when it comes to the fork and chainstays, 
but looking at the seat stays it seems like a 60mm/2.35" would be pushing 
it.

I'm on the verge of buying the first set of For-The-Hunq tires and I'd very 
much appreciate the Good Word of thee Group.  I'm looking at some Panaracer 
2.2's but would love to max this baby out!  Can i go bigger?  What's the 
word?  Do you Bombadil riders get more clearance or no?

>From the design perspective: Probably ain't so easy to make much more 
clearance in the seat stay zone without doing something funky (ie bowed 
Atlantis chainstays), but my function/design question is this: why mega 
wide clearances at the fork & chainstays if the seat stay clearance is the 
ceiling at a mere (sarcasm) 59.5ishmm?  

Also- if anyone recalls the initial FS posting and thread for this bike, (
---> HERE 

 <) there was a mention by the now-previous owner of "larger tire 
clearance edition" 
which roused some questions in the group to little avail.  Were early 
batches of Hunq's maxing out at a more narrow tire?  It's no big deal but I 
admit I am a little confused by this claim.  Any and all info greatly 
appreciated.  OK. Enough.  I'm gonna go ride now, I swear.

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar steerer too long?

[hugh flynn]

I know this isn't the input you are looking for, but I would condider
swapping  the bullmoose bars for a no-rise stem and handle bar of your
choice before considering taking a hacksaw to the fork.

Swapping stems/bars is easy. Uncutting a threaded steerer is very hard. The
bullmoose bars are great, but not worth cutting the steerer imho

Hugh "reversable" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Thursday, June 12, 2014, cyclotourist  wrote:

> I mean this only with the utmost kindness and consideration, but that bike
> looks too big for you.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Eric  > wrote:
>
>> Great looking bike!
>>
>> Makes me want one!
>>
>> Anyone know if Riv has a 54cm in stock!?
>>>
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[RBW] Hunqapillar steerer too long?

[Ginz]

Hi Folks

Here's a 48cm Hunqapillar cleaned up and ready for another camping trip.

Sorry for the lousy photo. I'm not very tall and the Bullmoose bars are 
VERY high even for my good taste in high bars -- even with the stem slammed.

I am thinking of cutting the steerer down by 10 or 15mm.  That would leave 
me with 15 or 10mm of spacer which should be plenty for doo-dads and brake 
hangers.  Is there any chance that the stem quill would be getting to close 
to the butted section?  Would I regret cutting it later?  I don't think I 
would but perhaps I am not thinking of something.

Thanks
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[RBW] Hunqapillar ride report # 2 (or...its definitely the engine, not the bike)

[DS]

So I use Strava. I love Strava. I hated it at first, but I really wanted to 
map my rides and look at distances, times, elevation, etc. so I stuck with 
it and kept using it on nearly every ride. When I first started using it I 
was annoyed and dismayed by the fact that it a) broke rides into segments 
and b) i always ranked near the bottom. I eventually overcame and started 
to enjoy the segments. And stopped caring about my ranking. Although I 
never think about the segments or how fast I am going on a ride, its always 
fun to come home and look at how I did compared to previous efforts, 
especially since I ride a lot of the same routes.

Took out the Hunqapillar with 2.1 Smart Sam's up a 5 mile paved road route 
(Tunnel Road to Grizzly Peak, for those in Bay Area) and then hit some 
trails at a couple parks (Redwood and Joaqin Miller).

Was surprised to see that I set a personal record on the uphill 4.8 segment 
at the start of the ride on Tunnel Road. I've ridden this route many many 
times. Mostly on my 21 lb. Gunnar Sport (with everything from 25-33 tires, 
and for a while outfitted with a carbon fork). And quite a few times on my 
wife's 18 lb. Giant carbon bike. A 30 lb steel mtn bike with 2.1 knobbies 
and front and rear racks beat them both on my very first time taking it up 
that route. Not to say its faster in any way, as I've been riding more 
lately and definitely getting stronger. But it certainly wasn't any slower. 
But damn, those light road bikes sure do *feel *faster ;)

Disclaimer, I did hustle a bit more than usual on the last .5 mile of the 
4.8 mile climb as I saw a group sneaking up behind me and didn't want them 
to pass. But again, point is, probably not any faster, but definitely not 
slower.

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar first ride report

[cyclotourist]

Yes, a very thoughtful write up, thanks for putting it together! Rigid
mountain bikes are awesome. I mean, that's how they started, right! A few
guys round here ride them, but they're single speeders. Seem to go
together...

IMHO you only need the suspension when descending fast. If you want to go
slow down the hill, no need for it. I do wonder what wasn't working for you
on the Salsa. El Mars are pretty good bikes, minus the creaking eccentric
bottom brackets.

Cheers,
David

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On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Pondero  wrote:

> What a great story of someone finding a better way to have fun!  I enjoyed
> reading the details of the transformation.  Even without photos, I can see
> the grin (so I guess we can forgive the lack of photos just this once).
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, TX
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