Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Ryan Fleming]

Addison...I THINK I recall that Legolas (Legoli) might be like the "custom" 
Glorius or Bomba in that Mark Nobilette will build for 3K but bike will not 
be painted by Joe Bell. I feel like I read this in Jan 2016 if I recall 
correctly. An email or phonecall could confirm this of course. BTW, Mark 
Nobilette does exquisite work. Just sayin'

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-6, Addison wrote:
>
> I love my 1989 RB-2 but it also is rebuilt with newish parts.  Rides like 
> a dream or phone call to Rivendell 
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2016/10/bridgestone-bike-project-part-3finished.html
>
> I too lust after a Legolas...anybody have the old geometry chart for 
> those?  And how much are they running now?  Comparable to the Roadeo price?
>
>
>
>
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> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:04 AM, bo richardson  > wrote:
>
>> i never liked the RB2 I had
>> i didnt much like the legolas i rode but i think it was the 650b wheels.
>> shore was pretty
>> i love my rambouillet
>> and with the new chain and tuned brakes
>> i am astounded at how well i like my atlantis wven unloaded
>>
>> bo
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

G. Petersen, from the radavist piece eight years ago: "*The Bstones were 
good bikes, especially considering their competition. They were lugged and 
steel, had classic looks and rode really well. They were excellent values 
and are still excellent bikes, but they would absolutely not make the 
starting team here *[ie, Rivendell]."

Holy cow, build up that Rodeo and ride it instead of not letting go of 
something you don't have! (But if yer gonna sell, you might do it soon, as 
the Roadini rollout may dampen the NIB Rodeo market a wee bit.) The RB-1 is 
not that hard to acquire, if you don't mind paying the iconic premium. 

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 10:03:57 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I have ridden an RB-1 but only for a short ride. I also rode a Heron Road 
> for a short ride. I had a too small for me Ram and a fit-me-perfectly 
> Bleriot. The biggest thing that sticks out for me is how differently they 
> felt. I liked the RB-1 and Ram, loved the Bleriot, didn't like the Heron. 
> Citing specific reasons for those feelings would be difficult but they are 
> accurate descriptions of how much I enjoyed riding each. 
>
> I also have a new in the box 56cm Quickbeam and a new in the box 57cm 
> Rodeo. One of these days I'll get around to building (or selling) them.  
>
> If I had an RB-1 I don't think I'd be able to let it go. It- along with 
> the MB-1 and XO-1- are such iconic bikes and almost proto-Rivendells. 
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Christopher Murray]

I have ridden an RB-1 but only for a short ride. I also rode a Heron Road for a 
short ride. I had a too small for me Ram and a fit-me-perfectly Bleriot. The 
biggest thing that sticks out for me is how differently they felt. I liked the 
RB-1 and Ram, loved the Bleriot, didn't like the Heron. Citing specific reasons 
for those feelings would be difficult but they are accurate descriptions of how 
much I enjoyed riding each. 

I also have a new in the box 56cm Quickbeam and a new in the box 57cm Rodeo. 
One of these days I'll get around to building (or selling) them.  

If I had an RB-1 I don't think I'd be able to let it go. It- along with the 
MB-1 and XO-1- are such iconic bikes and almost proto-Rivendells. 

Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Good to know about the Roadeo; one day, maybe ...

Regarding the Sam Hill: I didn't like mine as a sort of heavy duty road
bike, which is the niche I had in mind for it. I found it somewhat
ponderous (though I wonder what a pair of nice Compass EL tires would have
done to it).

But man, if it had been designed to take 50 mm tires and fenders!

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Paul Y  wrote:

> I have never ridden an RB-1, Ram or Legolas so this can be considered
> worthless opinion... but I went from riding a Sam daily for 6 years to a
> Roadeo a few months ago, and I love the Roadeo so much that I think
> everyone who likes any type of athletic riding and appreciates Riv virtues
> should get one. I have SKS fenders, full dyno lighting, a Nelson longflap
> with bagman support and bar tube bag, XD-2 triple wth platform pedals,
> making it perfectly good as a commuter yet still fun to flog (unlike Sam,
> where flogging was only fun on days that I felt particularly strong, and
> immensely tiring otherwise). I take the Roadeo in this configuration to
> join club rides too. I do everything with Roadeo except ride trail and take
> public transport. Roadeo!!!
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[RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Paul Y]

I have never ridden an RB-1, Ram or Legolas so this can be considered worthless 
opinion... but I went from riding a Sam daily for 6 years to a Roadeo a few 
months ago, and I love the Roadeo so much that I think everyone who likes any 
type of athletic riding and appreciates Riv virtues should get one. I have SKS 
fenders, full dyno lighting, a Nelson longflap with bagman support and bar tube 
bag, XD-2 triple wth platform pedals, making it perfectly good as a commuter 
yet still fun to flog (unlike Sam, where flogging was only fun on days that I 
felt particularly strong, and immensely tiring otherwise). I take the Roadeo in 
this configuration to join club rides too. I do everything with Roadeo except 
ride trail and take public transport. Roadeo!!!

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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Terry Scott]

Was Ishiwata 022 with 019 fork 

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 3:02:27 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Interesting comparisons. Does anyone know what the RB-1s tubing is? I 
> thought that the Ram had pretty conventional tubing thickness. Or is the 
> difference entirely in the geometry?
>
> Bo: Funny you didn't like the Legolas. What about it didn't you like? Was 
> it only the wheels? I thought that, generally speaking, a 700C wheel with a 
> given width of tire rides much like a 650B wheel with a 20 mm or so wider 
> tire (eg, 23 mm compared to say 42 mm).
>
> My own experience, after 5 Riv road models of various sorts, is that that 
> Ram was somewhat staid in its handling compared to what I'm used to, which 
> is the later 2 of my Riv Roads. The Ram had the Grant signature stability, 
> but felt (to me) somewhat -- just slightly! - ponderous in the turns. Now 
> my Riv Roads have very light "twenty six inch" wheels, but they feel just 
> right in their straight line stability and their readiness for immediate 
> but even and controllable turn in. Perhaps I'm just used to the 2 latter 
> bikes, but they feel faster and nimbler than the Ram.
>
> Lastly, was the geometry of the RB 2 pretty much the same as that of the 
> RB 1, with slightly heavier tubing?
>
> I'm not sure how much effect tubing differences would have on my 
> experience of bikes -- I can't say that I've experienced "planing" -- but 
> the Riv Roads "want to go faster" than the Ram did -- though there are so 
> many variables that I can't point to just one reason for this.
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

I came across this from a 2009 Bike Radar article:

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/news/article/first-look-rivendell-roadeo-steel-club-racer-22939/


And from 13 years ago. Mr. Love still posts on the Boblist (and perhaps CR
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Rivendells are highly-evolved versions of the Bridgestone bikes that Grant
Petersen designed. There were quite a few things Petersen wanted to do with
the Bridgestones that were vetoed by head office in Japan (longer
chainstays on the RB-1, for one thing). And Petersen's design ideas have
changed substantially since Bridgestone USA shut down. A couple of examples:

-Compared to an RB-1, the Rambouillet (which used to be known as the
LongLow) has longer chainstays, lower BB, slacker seat angles, higher head
tube, shorter top tube, and greater tire clearances. That's not even
considering the beautiful lugs, fork crown and numerous other examples of
quality detail work on the bike.

-You could also look at the Atlantis as the descendant of the Bridgestone
XO bikes, but the bikes are so different that it would take too long to
list all the changes. The Atlantis is, IMO, a far superior all-round bike
to the XOs, which had too-short chainstays and too-steep head angles.

-Of course, there are no Bridgestone equivalents to the Saluki and the
Glorius/Wilbury, and the custom Rivendells are tailored to your riding
style, as long as that fits within the Rivendell design philosophy.

I've owned 3 Bridgestones ('92 RB-1, '92 MB-3, and '93 XO-3), and they're
fine, well-designed production bikes, but the construction quality is
merely good, not great. Plus, I've broken two XO-3 frames in the same spot
each time (base of the seat tube socket in the BB shell). Rivendells and
Bridgestones were designed by the same guy, but don't make the mistake of
thinking that Rivendells are merely Bridgestones with nicer lugs. There are
loads of differences.


An interesting lightweight build:

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105552


And about the RB-1, from a site as antithetical to Rivendell as you can get
(well, they are somewhat tongue in cheek):

http://www.velominati.com/guest-article/guest-article-the-prodigal-rb-1/

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[RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Bill]

I'd keep the RB-1 and ride it for the season and acclimate to its 
peculiarities. Give it a chance to show you what it can do. You might end up 
wanting to hang on to it. If not, you'll know that moving on to something else 
is the right decision.

Bill Eberle
Columbus, Ohio

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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

Keith is right about RB-1 vs. Ram, they're really only similar in that they 
both use lugged steel and road brakes: Ram is much more of a sport tourer 
compared to the racey feel of the RB. I suspect the Roadeo and Legolas are 
racier. 

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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I'd be interested to hear more about the difference in the ride and
"feel" of the RB-1 and the Roadeo and Ram (and between the Ram and the
Roadeo, for that matter). I've toyed with the idea of buying an RB-1,
dreamed of owning a Roadeo, and actually owned a Ram.

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Christopher Murray  wrote:

> Grant has written quite a bit about the Bridgestone bikes (including their
> quality compared to Rivs). I'm sure you can find some of it with a quick
> google search.
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Christopher Murray]

Grant has written quite a bit about the Bridgestone bikes (including their 
quality compared to Rivs). I'm sure you can find some of it with a quick google 
search. 

Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting comparisons. Does anyone know what the RB-1s tubing is? I
thought that the Ram had pretty conventional tubing thickness. Or is the
difference entirely in the geometry?

Bo: Funny you didn't like the Legolas. What about it didn't you like? Was
it only the wheels? I thought that, generally speaking, a 700C wheel with a
given width of tire rides much like a 650B wheel with a 20 mm or so wider
tire (eg, 23 mm compared to say 42 mm).

My own experience, after 5 Riv road models of various sorts, is that that
Ram was somewhat staid in its handling compared to what I'm used to, which
is the later 2 of my Riv Roads. The Ram had the Grant signature stability,
but felt (to me) somewhat -- just slightly! - ponderous in the turns. Now
my Riv Roads have very light "twenty six inch" wheels, but they feel just
right in their straight line stability and their readiness for immediate
but even and controllable turn in. Perhaps I'm just used to the 2 latter
bikes, but they feel faster and nimbler than the Ram.

Lastly, was the geometry of the RB 2 pretty much the same as that of the RB
1, with slightly heavier tubing?

I'm not sure how much effect tubing differences would have on my experience
of bikes -- I can't say that I've experienced "planing" -- but the Riv
Roads "want to go faster" than the Ram did -- though there are so many
variables that I can't point to just one reason for this.

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[RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[iamkeith]

I cant speak to the legolas, but have a 93 RB-1 and several Rivendells, 
including a Rambouillet which is closer to a traditional, quick road bike than 
most of the models they've made.  To me, the RB and the rivs are entirely 
different animals, and its almost impossible to find similarities.  

The RB is light and springy and nimble, but its also twitchy handful that 
requires me to pay constant attention while im riding.  The ram feels stout and 
rigid by comparison (probably doesn't "plane"), and the geometry (the longer 
chainstays in particular) allows me to relax, shift my weight around, sit up, 
or ride no-hands if i want. The ram has much worse TCO, but that might be 
expected since i have fenders on it.  

I like both, both are beautiful, and both fit well - which is why i keep them.  
(That's a rare and hard to find thing, for me.)  The RB makes you want to 
sprint and go for an aethletic ride and is great for that purpose. But in the 
end, i will always grab the Riv.  Its just worlds away in terms of comfort, and 
that wins out.

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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Addison Wilhite]

I love my 1989 RB-2 but it also is rebuilt with newish parts.  Rides like a
dream

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2016/10/bridgestone-bike-project-part-3finished.html

I too lust after a Legolas...anybody have the old geometry chart for
those?  And how much are they running now?  Comparable to the Roadeo price?




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On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:04 AM, bo richardson  wrote:

> i never liked the RB2 I had
> i didnt much like the legolas i rode but i think it was the 650b wheels.
> shore was pretty
> i love my rambouillet
> and with the new chain and tuned brakes
> i am astounded at how well i like my atlantis wven unloaded
>
> bo
> bellingham
> cold wet snow coming down outside
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[RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[bo richardson]

i never liked the RB2 I had
i didnt much like the legolas i rode but i think it was the 650b wheels.
shore was pretty
i love my rambouillet
and with the new chain and tuned brakes
i am astounded at how well i like my atlantis wven unloaded

bo 
bellingham
cold wet snow coming down outside

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[RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

Will the Legolas ride better? Probably in some way you will notice, but it 
won't make your RB seem like junk. Should you sell the RB and buy a Legolas? 
YES! Legolas is a habdbuilt MUSA frame with gorgeous lugs and paint, and you've 
always wanted one. Also, RB-1s have hit that tipping point where the prices are 
starting to dip, so the time to sell yours is now while it's still in NOS 
shape. Sell that bike and get a Riv, son!

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[RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

[cliftonjlong]

I've finished building a complete NOS 1993 RB-1 and now I'm wondering, having 
always hankered for a Rivendell, a Legolas in particular, if I should try to 
sell it and start fresh. Would the Riv ride much better?  The Bridgestone was a 
frameset that a rep gave his cousin, was never built, and it sat in the garage 
for 22 years until I bought it. I put on a full NOS Dura-Ace 9 speed triple 
group with down tube shifters and Nitto bar, stem, etc. Ultegra Open Pro 
wheels.  Looks like the frame will take 32c and after one short ride it's a 
great fit. 
But now as I'm waiting for spring, I'm doubting. What does anyone think?  
Thanks!
Ps. I know the Legolas is different in many ways but it's the one I always 
wanted. Could be a Roadeo these days. 

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