[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Mike]

Hi All,

I noticed that in this little blurb, Grant never said "need"--just "how 
many"--And if you think about it, it matches up pretty well with the 
current Riv lineup:

a beater: Clem
a bomber: Gus/Susie
a single speed: Quickbeam / Frank Jones (not current but let's roll with it)
a touring bike: AHH (or Atlantis, or Appaloosa, or Sam, or...)
a lightish road bike: Roadini / Roadeo
a do-all racked and bagged bike: Atlantis / Appaloosa (or Clem or Sam or 
Platypus or...)
a mixte: Platypus (or Clem)
a loaner: Sam (I dunno, seems like a good loaner bike as its so versatile)
a work in progress: what is the current WIP Riv model? 

Not perfect matches, but works for me.  Anyway, that's how I interpreted 
the blurb.  

Mike (currently with only two in the rotation: a Sam and a beater)
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Patrick Moore]

I kept my 2003 Curt road custom hanging on the wall for several years while
I commuted on beaters; nice beaters but not Rivendells. Commuting was the
bulk of my riding. The absurdity of this led me to have Dave Porter modify
the Curt for a fixed drivetrain and use as a daily commuter. The enjoyment
meter immediately read a consistent 125% higher for the rest of the life of
the Curt. (Curt still has a life but with some other owner.)

As far as commuting on your favorite bike and then buying another favorite
bike, I agree with that too. Have at least 3 favorite bikes, as I described
earlier: gofast, gofast built for loads and errands, and dirt surface bike,
all favorites of their kind. Augment as you please. But if I had to choose
just-one, it would be the 1999 Joe Starck gofast custom (with 3 wheelsets
and removable Sackville Medium).

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 11:12 AM DavidP  wrote:

> In the March blahg, Grant revisits the idea of preservation vs use and
> writes:
>
> "For daily tasks like shopping, commuting, errands, and all-purpose
> exercise, ride your favorite bicycle. A the risk of sounding self-serving,
> I'd say--get more than one special bike. You probably do that, or want to
> do that anyway."
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[John Rinker]

DavidP, Thanks for sharing that bit from Grant. Makes sense to me and seems 
a little more reasonable than 'seven is good'.

Piaw, A broken frame seems a great reason to own a second bike, and this is 
exactly what prompted me to add the Atlantis to my already special Hunq. My 
Hunq broke once (separated seat stay) and it took a while to get fixed. 
Borrowing my daughter's bike worked out OK, but still... I don't expect 
either bike to ever break again, but just in case I'll always have a 
special bike to ride. 
In regards to choosing a bike to ride, I have a hard enough time choosing 
which bike to ride between the two. Personally, I can't imagine the time 
I'd waste standing in front of a stable of seven and trying to choose. I'd 
rather be riding.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 11:26:10 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I lived for many years with one road bike, and I think it was great. 
> Having fewer decisions as to which bike to ride was great, and I perversely 
> enjoy wearing out tires and chains at a good clip --- makes me feel like 
> I'm a real cyclist. I did break the frame twice, and each time it kinda 
> sucked having to borrow bikes or ride the mountain bike everywhere. The 
> thing the broke me was breaking a frame during the height of the bike 
> shortage during the pandemic. Then I realized if I broke my frame a third 
> time, I'd probably go shopping for another custom builder and I'd want 
> something to tide me over until then. That led to me getting a Roadini, 
> which now serves as my gravel bike. I still like wearing parts faster so I 
> end up riding my dedicated road touring frame much more, but now I pull out 
> the roadini for those in-between dirt + mtb rides and it's nice having that 
> option.
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 AM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> In the March blahg, Grant revisits the idea of preservation vs use and 
>> writes:
>>
>> "For daily tasks like shopping, commuting, errands, and all-purpose 
>> exercise, ride your favorite bicycle. A the risk of sounding self-serving, 
>> I'd say--get more than one special bike. You probably do that, or want to 
>> do that anyway."
>>
>> I think this thread is a testament to the fact that many of us have more 
>> than one special Bicycle.
>>
>> -Dave
>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Guy -
>>>
>>> Those are some great bikes, I wish I could help slim down the herd, but 
>>> my frame size is smaller. Is there a story for how you ended up with so 
>>> many 2022 bikes?
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 2:54:17 PM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have way too much overlap in my quiver:

 2015 Soma San Marcos (Tiburon Blue) - 57cm
 2018 Atlantis  (650B) - 56cm
 2022 Crust Canti Romanceur (Pistachio) - 57cm
 2022 Sam Hillborne (HiHo Silver) - 57cm
 2004ish Rambouillet (Joe Bell Custom Brown) - 60cm
 2022 Wolbis/Susie (Dark Gold) - 56cm
 2021 Gus Boots (Mermaid) - 59cm
 2022 Roadini (RBW Orange) - 57cm
 2020 Platypus (Mermaid) - 60cm
 2022 Rosco Bubbe - (Purple) - 60cm

 I would really like to slim down the herd!  You interested in helping?

 Guy

 On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:

> Bikes in order of use:
>
>1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
>2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven) 
>for clipped in rides and longer road tours
>3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
>4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
>5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt 
>motor for shopping.
>6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile 
>rides if driving to a big car traffic event
>7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame 
>as the ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let 
> Greg 
>usurp his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.  
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
> Bikes in order of use
>
>1. Joe Appa daily driver
>2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
>3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
>4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
>5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed
>
> Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!
>
> Edwin
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
> with justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[藍俊彪]

I lived for many years with one road bike, and I think it was great. Having
fewer decisions as to which bike to ride was great, and I perversely enjoy
wearing out tires and chains at a good clip --- makes me feel like I'm a
real cyclist. I did break the frame twice, and each time it kinda sucked
having to borrow bikes or ride the mountain bike everywhere. The thing the
broke me was breaking a frame during the height of the bike shortage during
the pandemic. Then I realized if I broke my frame a third time, I'd
probably go shopping for another custom builder and I'd want something to
tide me over until then. That led to me getting a Roadini, which now serves
as my gravel bike. I still like wearing parts faster so I end up riding my
dedicated road touring frame much more, but now I pull out the roadini for
those in-between dirt + mtb rides and it's nice having that option.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 AM DavidP  wrote:

> In the March blahg, Grant revisits the idea of preservation vs use and
> writes:
>
> "For daily tasks like shopping, commuting, errands, and all-purpose
> exercise, ride your favorite bicycle. A the risk of sounding self-serving,
> I'd say--get more than one special bike. You probably do that, or want to
> do that anyway."
>
> I think this thread is a testament to the fact that many of us have more
> than one special Bicycle.
>
> -Dave
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4 Slin wrote:
>
>> Guy -
>>
>> Those are some great bikes, I wish I could help slim down the herd, but
>> my frame size is smaller. Is there a story for how you ended up with so
>> many 2022 bikes?
>>
>> S
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 2:54:17 PM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have way too much overlap in my quiver:
>>>
>>> 2015 Soma San Marcos (Tiburon Blue) - 57cm
>>> 2018 Atlantis  (650B) - 56cm
>>> 2022 Crust Canti Romanceur (Pistachio) - 57cm
>>> 2022 Sam Hillborne (HiHo Silver) - 57cm
>>> 2004ish Rambouillet (Joe Bell Custom Brown) - 60cm
>>> 2022 Wolbis/Susie (Dark Gold) - 56cm
>>> 2021 Gus Boots (Mermaid) - 59cm
>>> 2022 Roadini (RBW Orange) - 57cm
>>> 2020 Platypus (Mermaid) - 60cm
>>> 2022 Rosco Bubbe - (Purple) - 60cm
>>>
>>> I would really like to slim down the herd!  You interested in helping?
>>>
>>> Guy
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:
>>>
 Bikes in order of use:

1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven)
for clipped in rides and longer road tours
3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt
motor for shopping.
6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile
rides if driving to a big car traffic event
7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame
as the ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let 
 Greg
usurp his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.


 On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

 Bikes in order of use

1. Joe Appa daily driver
2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed

 Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!

 Edwin



 On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

 Hi all,
 I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs
 with justification. I think it was 7.
  Any idea which reader it was in?
 Thanks!
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[DavidP]

In the March blahg, Grant revisits the idea of preservation vs use and 
writes:

"For daily tasks like shopping, commuting, errands, and all-purpose 
exercise, ride your favorite bicycle. A the risk of sounding self-serving, 
I'd say--get more than one special bike. You probably do that, or want to 
do that anyway."

I think this thread is a testament to the fact that many of us have more 
than one special Bicycle.

-Dave
On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4 Slin wrote:

> Guy -
>
> Those are some great bikes, I wish I could help slim down the herd, but my 
> frame size is smaller. Is there a story for how you ended up with so many 
> 2022 bikes?
>
> S
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 2:54:17 PM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have way too much overlap in my quiver:
>>
>> 2015 Soma San Marcos (Tiburon Blue) - 57cm
>> 2018 Atlantis  (650B) - 56cm
>> 2022 Crust Canti Romanceur (Pistachio) - 57cm
>> 2022 Sam Hillborne (HiHo Silver) - 57cm
>> 2004ish Rambouillet (Joe Bell Custom Brown) - 60cm
>> 2022 Wolbis/Susie (Dark Gold) - 56cm
>> 2021 Gus Boots (Mermaid) - 59cm
>> 2022 Roadini (RBW Orange) - 57cm
>> 2020 Platypus (Mermaid) - 60cm
>> 2022 Rosco Bubbe - (Purple) - 60cm
>>
>> I would really like to slim down the herd!  You interested in helping?
>>
>> Guy
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:
>>
>>> Bikes in order of use:
>>>
>>>1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
>>>2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven) 
>>>for clipped in rides and longer road tours
>>>3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
>>>4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
>>>5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt 
>>>motor for shopping.
>>>6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile 
>>>rides if driving to a big car traffic event
>>>7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame as 
>>>the ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let Greg 
>>>usurp his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>> Bikes in order of use
>>>
>>>1. Joe Appa daily driver
>>>2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
>>>3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
>>>4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
>>>5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed
>>>
>>> Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Slin]

Guy -

Those are some great bikes, I wish I could help slim down the herd, but my 
frame size is smaller. Is there a story for how you ended up with so many 
2022 bikes?

S

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 2:54:17 PM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have way too much overlap in my quiver:
>
> 2015 Soma San Marcos (Tiburon Blue) - 57cm
> 2018 Atlantis  (650B) - 56cm
> 2022 Crust Canti Romanceur (Pistachio) - 57cm
> 2022 Sam Hillborne (HiHo Silver) - 57cm
> 2004ish Rambouillet (Joe Bell Custom Brown) - 60cm
> 2022 Wolbis/Susie (Dark Gold) - 56cm
> 2021 Gus Boots (Mermaid) - 59cm
> 2022 Roadini (RBW Orange) - 57cm
> 2020 Platypus (Mermaid) - 60cm
> 2022 Rosco Bubbe - (Purple) - 60cm
>
> I would really like to slim down the herd!  You interested in helping?
>
> Guy
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> Bikes in order of use:
>>
>>1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
>>2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven) 
>>for clipped in rides and longer road tours
>>3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
>>4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
>>5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt 
>>motor for shopping.
>>6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile rides 
>>if driving to a big car traffic event
>>7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame as 
>>the ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let Greg 
>>usurp his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Bikes in order of use
>>
>>1. Joe Appa daily driver
>>2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
>>3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
>>4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
>>5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed
>>
>> Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Bill Lindsay]

Clearly you are in violation with multiple project bikes.  It is even more 
clear to me that you should send the MMM on to me, in order to get into 
compliance...

You're welcome!

Bill

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 12:12:16 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I have yet to complete the MMM or the Rosco Baby. I did ride a MMM several 
> years ago when I made a pilgrimage to Walnut Creek while working in the 
> Seattle area. Really like it. 
> Every one of the "Mixtes" is some shade of blue.
> The Keven's Custom is the only "true" mixte of the lot, so I really only 
> have one mixte. Recent, but not current build below. Changed to VO Sabot 
> pedals, removed the basket and fork stabilizer, switched from 48 spoke to 
> 40 spoke wheels (48s are going to the Bombadil with change of rear hub to 
> Phil Wood - still 7 speed freewheel). Next task is finishing the 
> installation of the Shimano Nexave RD-600 rear derailleur, never tried a 
> rapid rise before. Then the fenders. I really like this one - surprisingly 
> rigid, especially with the Bullmoose bars. This is a full Grant designed, 
> Nobilette built frame, but no Joe Bell paint, so no Rivendell Headbadge or 
> decals. It has a Rosco Bubbe headbadge, but I probably should have asked 
> for the Platypus headbadge instead.
>
>
> [image: WorkS.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 2:31:17 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Laing
>
> Maybe you have too many single speeds, but you definitely have too many 
> mixtes.  In order to restore balance in the universe, I recommend you sell 
> your medium mountain mixte* to me.  Please and thank you.  Every stable 
> should have one bike with a lift-a-tube, and that's an empty slot in my 
> stable.  Another MMM* build would fill the mixte slot AND the liftatube 
> slot.  
>
> *Joyless pedants cannot resist the urge to remind us that the Rivendell 
> R05C0 8U883 known as the "medium mountain mixte" is not actually a mixte.  
> A mixte has dual skinny top tubes heading all the way to the rear wheel.  
> In part to sooth the JPs, I invented the term "Mountain Utility Step 
> Through", and called my former MMM "Trusty MUSTy".  I should not have sold 
> mine.  My build was sensational.  Fix these problems by selling me yours.  
> :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 6:17:29 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
> Let's see:
>
> Beater - Flying Pigeon
> Bomber - Gust Boots Willsen, Crust Scapegoat
> Single speed - Protoveloosa/Mystery Bike, Frank Jones Sr., Trek District, 
> Velo Orange Neutrino, Maxway Resurectio, another Flying Pigeon
> Touring Bike - Bombadil
> Lightish Road Bike - Rivendell Custom, Gitane Tour de France
> Do-all racked and bagged bike - Crustendell Clementine Clydesdale Cargo 
> Cycle Conversion
> Mixte - Rivendell Keven's Custom, Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain 
> Mixte, Rosco Bubbe Baby
> Loaner - Bike Friday Metro
> Project Bike - 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15 restoration
>
> Additional categories
> Gravel  - Rosco Bubbe V1
> English Racer - Pashley Guv'nor
> Museum Piece - Gitane Tour de France (different one - original except for 
> the sew-ups)
> Others - another Schwinn Paramount P-15, Scott Sub 10, 
>
> I guess I have too many single speeds...
>
> Laing
>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Bill Lindsay]

Laing

Maybe you have too many single speeds, but you definitely have too many 
mixtes.  In order to restore balance in the universe, I recommend you sell 
your medium mountain mixte* to me.  Please and thank you.  Every stable 
should have one bike with a lift-a-tube, and that's an empty slot in my 
stable.  Another MMM* build would fill the mixte slot AND the liftatube 
slot.  

*Joyless pedants cannot resist the urge to remind us that the Rivendell 
R05C0 8U883 known as the "medium mountain mixte" is not actually a mixte.  
A mixte has dual skinny top tubes heading all the way to the rear wheel.  
In part to sooth the JPs, I invented the term "Mountain Utility Step 
Through", and called my former MMM "Trusty MUSTy".  I should not have sold 
mine.  My build was sensational.  Fix these problems by selling me yours.  
:)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 6:17:29 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Let's see:
>
> Beater - Flying Pigeon
> Bomber - Gust Boots Willsen, Crust Scapegoat
> Single speed - Protoveloosa/Mystery Bike, Frank Jones Sr., Trek District, 
> Velo Orange Neutrino, Maxway Resurectio, another Flying Pigeon
> Touring Bike - Bombadil
> Lightish Road Bike - Rivendell Custom, Gitane Tour de France
> Do-all racked and bagged bike - Crustendell Clementine Clydesdale Cargo 
> Cycle Conversion
> Mixte - Rivendell Keven's Custom, Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain 
> Mixte, Rosco Bubbe Baby
> Loaner - Bike Friday Metro
> Project Bike - 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15 restoration
>
> Additional categories
> Gravel  - Rosco Bubbe V1
> English Racer - Pashley Guv'nor
> Museum Piece - Gitane Tour de France (different one - original except for 
> the sew-ups)
> Others - another Schwinn Paramount P-15, Scott Sub 10, 
>
> I guess I have too many single speeds...
>
> Laing
>
>
>
> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[lconley]

Let's see:

Beater - Flying Pigeon
Bomber - Gust Boots Willsen, Crust Scapegoat
Single speed - Protoveloosa/Mystery Bike, Frank Jones Sr., Trek District, 
Velo Orange Neutrino, Maxway Resurectio, another Flying Pigeon
Touring Bike - Bombadil
Lightish Road Bike - Rivendell Custom, Gitane Tour de France
Do-all racked and bagged bike - Crustendell Clementine Clydesdale Cargo 
Cycle Conversion
Mixte - Rivendell Keven's Custom, Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain 
Mixte, Rosco Bubbe Baby
Loaner - Bike Friday Metro
Project Bike - 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15 restoration

Additional categories
Gravel  - Rosco Bubbe V1
English Racer - Pashley Guv'nor
Museum Piece - Gitane Tour de France (different one - original except for 
the sew-ups)
Others - another Schwinn Paramount P-15, Scott Sub 10, 

I guess I have too many single speeds...

Laing



Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on page 
6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
). 

[image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

Hi all,
I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
justification. I think it was 7.
 Any idea which reader it was in?
Thanks!
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Philip Williamson]

Awesome! 
I’ve enjoyed reading through this thread.

Beater - Quickbeam
Bomber - Stooge Scrambler (on the way), and the Fitz 
Singlespeed - Quickbeam (fixed) and Fitz (at the moment), and Swobo 
Accomplice (kickback wheel)
Touring bike - Frances and Fitz I’ve bike camped on, Bruce Gordon could tour
Lightish road bike - Bontrager Privateer with drops and slicks, Frances, 
and (my son’s) Bontrager RoadLite
Do-all racked and bagged bike - Fitz, Frances, Quickbeam, all have baskets 
on racks, and the Fitz and Frances have removable low rider attachments. 
Bruce Gordon will get racks someday  
A mixte - my wife’s Trek Belleville
A loaner - Swobo? The last bike I actually loaned was the Gordon
A project bike - Fitz at the moment, Stooge soon, and I have a worrisome 
pair of spare wheelsets that might attract frames somehow

A careful reading indicates I’ve got seven bikes, or nine bikes. And a 
cruiser I didn’t mention, because I don’t mention it. I could move along 
the Swobo and the cruiser, but I’m not hurting anyone by keeping them. If I 
had to keep three, it would be the Privateer, the Quickbeam, and the Fitz. 
If an XL Wilderness Trail Phoenix came along, I’d grab it. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:16:47 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[brendonoid]

When you pull a bike off the wall/roof and pump up the tyres and the tubes 
fail because they are so old you have too many bikes.
Signed, 
Brendon sold-a-car-to-buy-another-Rivendell McLoughney

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Jason Fuller]

I feel like I'm in good company in this thread!  Current fleet is at six, 
which I feel is excessive, but at the same time each bike stands apart from 
the others in terms of function. I would like to get it back to five by the 
end of the year, but this plan involves selling two bikes I love, so we'll 
see.  It would mean selling the Wombat, which I only got a couple months 
ago, and my Raleigh Twenty, which I've had for fifteen years. The bike I'd 
plan to add in is a Clem L, so the Bombadil can be relieved from "everyday 
bike" duties and shed its fenders and (some) racks, and focus on mixed 
terrain adventures. 

On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 08:37:43 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's in the thread, scroll up and look harder. It's not an article, it's a 
> small sidebar. 
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:55:40 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a scan of the You Need 7 Bikes article? Need for a 
>> friend. Not me, no spouse, and I'm almost there with two frame/forks 
>> hanging on the wall. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:48:56 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> In my garage, I have:
>>>
>>> 1. Custom touring bike
>>> 2. Rivendell Roadini
>>> 3. Airborne Seeker MTB
>>> 4. Co-Motion Tandem/Triplet/Quad Periscope
>>> 5. Wife's Cheviot
>>> 6. Wife's Santa Cruz 5010 MTB
>>> 7. 11-year-old's MTB
>>> 8. 7-year-old's MTB
>>>
>>> For many years I lived with just 1 road bike (the ti custom), but after 
>>> I broke 2 of those frames, I've decided having a backup road bike (which is 
>>> what the Roadini is) is not a bad idea at all --- I hated 3 months of 
>>> riding the MTB around as my only single bike, though it did force me to 
>>> find all the interesting off-pavement trails around here. Now the Roadini 
>>> is shod with 40mm Terraspeed and gets used as a gravel bike, but if the Ti 
>>> frame breaks again I can put nice wheels on it and it'll be a fast road 
>>> bike/touring bike again. I will note that the Roadini probably can't be 
>>> used long term as a touring bike as the long chainstays probably means 
>>> packing it into a case will be a nightmare.
>>> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Eric. That is it. I thought it was a longer article. i really 
 appreciate the effort. 

 I guess I need 14, since I have 6 mountain bikes on top of my 7 road 
 and dirt road bikes. 
 Not up to Mr. Lindsay, as far as curating them all to perfection, but 
 it is a goal. 
 There was also a thread a while back on listing and justifying your 
 bikes, but I could not find that either, but it may have been on iBob. 

 Thanks for all the interesting responses.

 Tom


 On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Eric Marth]

It's in the thread, scroll up and look harder. It's not an article, it's a 
small sidebar. 

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:55:40 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Does anyone have a scan of the You Need 7 Bikes article? Need for a 
> friend. Not me, no spouse, and I'm almost there with two frame/forks 
> hanging on the wall. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:48:56 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In my garage, I have:
>>
>> 1. Custom touring bike
>> 2. Rivendell Roadini
>> 3. Airborne Seeker MTB
>> 4. Co-Motion Tandem/Triplet/Quad Periscope
>> 5. Wife's Cheviot
>> 6. Wife's Santa Cruz 5010 MTB
>> 7. 11-year-old's MTB
>> 8. 7-year-old's MTB
>>
>> For many years I lived with just 1 road bike (the ti custom), but after I 
>> broke 2 of those frames, I've decided having a backup road bike (which is 
>> what the Roadini is) is not a bad idea at all --- I hated 3 months of 
>> riding the MTB around as my only single bike, though it did force me to 
>> find all the interesting off-pavement trails around here. Now the Roadini 
>> is shod with 40mm Terraspeed and gets used as a gravel bike, but if the Ti 
>> frame breaks again I can put nice wheels on it and it'll be a fast road 
>> bike/touring bike again. I will note that the Roadini probably can't be 
>> used long term as a touring bike as the long chainstays probably means 
>> packing it into a case will be a nightmare.
>> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Eric. That is it. I thought it was a longer article. i really 
>>> appreciate the effort. 
>>>
>>> I guess I need 14, since I have 6 mountain bikes on top of my 7 road and 
>>> dirt road bikes. 
>>> Not up to Mr. Lindsay, as far as curating them all to perfection, but it 
>>> is a goal. 
>>> There was also a thread a while back on listing and justifying your 
>>> bikes, but I could not find that either, but it may have been on iBob. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the interesting responses.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
 page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
 ). 

 [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]

 On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
> with justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>


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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Wesley, ha! Yes, you are so right. The answer to the bike problem 
is….Platypuses. The more, the better. 

Racing Platypus.
Beast of Burden Platypus.
And toss in one Clem L so you can be a Nasty Mountain Biker.

BOOM. Done.

Photos in the next post.


On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:01:09 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> We know from Bicycle Belle Leah that the mixte can be the lightish road 
> bike, the do-all racked and fendered bike, or the beater - at least. So you 
> really only need six (eight?).
> -W
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:16:47 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
>> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
>> ). 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Wesley]

We know from Bicycle Belle Leah that the mixte can be the lightish road 
bike, the do-all racked and fendered bike, or the beater - at least. So you 
really only need six (eight?).
-W

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:16:47 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Mike Godwin]

Does anyone have a scan of the You Need 7 Bikes article? Need for a friend. 
Not me, no spouse, and I'm almost there with two frame/forks hanging on the 
wall. 

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:48:56 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> In my garage, I have:
>
> 1. Custom touring bike
> 2. Rivendell Roadini
> 3. Airborne Seeker MTB
> 4. Co-Motion Tandem/Triplet/Quad Periscope
> 5. Wife's Cheviot
> 6. Wife's Santa Cruz 5010 MTB
> 7. 11-year-old's MTB
> 8. 7-year-old's MTB
>
> For many years I lived with just 1 road bike (the ti custom), but after I 
> broke 2 of those frames, I've decided having a backup road bike (which is 
> what the Roadini is) is not a bad idea at all --- I hated 3 months of 
> riding the MTB around as my only single bike, though it did force me to 
> find all the interesting off-pavement trails around here. Now the Roadini 
> is shod with 40mm Terraspeed and gets used as a gravel bike, but if the Ti 
> frame breaks again I can put nice wheels on it and it'll be a fast road 
> bike/touring bike again. I will note that the Roadini probably can't be 
> used long term as a touring bike as the long chainstays probably means 
> packing it into a case will be a nightmare.
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eric. That is it. I thought it was a longer article. i really 
>> appreciate the effort. 
>>
>> I guess I need 14, since I have 6 mountain bikes on top of my 7 road and 
>> dirt road bikes. 
>> Not up to Mr. Lindsay, as far as curating them all to perfection, but it 
>> is a goal. 
>> There was also a thread a while back on listing and justifying your 
>> bikes, but I could not find that either, but it may have been on iBob. 
>>
>> Thanks for all the interesting responses.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
>>> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
>>> ). 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
 with justification. I think it was 7.
  Any idea which reader it was in?
 Thanks!
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

>>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Piaw Na]

In my garage, I have:

1. Custom touring bike
2. Rivendell Roadini
3. Airborne Seeker MTB
4. Co-Motion Tandem/Triplet/Quad Periscope
5. Wife's Cheviot
6. Wife's Santa Cruz 5010 MTB
7. 11-year-old's MTB
8. 7-year-old's MTB

For many years I lived with just 1 road bike (the ti custom), but after I 
broke 2 of those frames, I've decided having a backup road bike (which is 
what the Roadini is) is not a bad idea at all --- I hated 3 months of 
riding the MTB around as my only single bike, though it did force me to 
find all the interesting off-pavement trails around here. Now the Roadini 
is shod with 40mm Terraspeed and gets used as a gravel bike, but if the Ti 
frame breaks again I can put nice wheels on it and it'll be a fast road 
bike/touring bike again. I will note that the Roadini probably can't be 
used long term as a touring bike as the long chainstays probably means 
packing it into a case will be a nightmare.
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Thanks Eric. That is it. I thought it was a longer article. i really 
> appreciate the effort. 
>
> I guess I need 14, since I have 6 mountain bikes on top of my 7 road and 
> dirt road bikes. 
> Not up to Mr. Lindsay, as far as curating them all to perfection, but it 
> is a goal. 
> There was also a thread a while back on listing and justifying your bikes, 
> but I could not find that either, but it may have been on iBob. 
>
> Thanks for all the interesting responses.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
>> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
>> ). 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Tom Palmer]

Thanks Eric. That is it. I thought it was a longer article. i really 
appreciate the effort. 

I guess I need 14, since I have 6 mountain bikes on top of my 7 road and 
dirt road bikes. 
Not up to Mr. Lindsay, as far as curating them all to perfection, but it is 
a goal. 
There was also a thread a while back on listing and justifying your bikes, 
but I could not find that either, but it may have been on iBob. 

Thanks for all the interesting responses.

Tom


On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Ted Durant]

Kudos to Eric for finding that blurb in RR42! Always fun to re-read those.

This discussion has another dimension in my case. Living in Wisconsin, with 
children and grandchildren in California and Maine, I have to ponder the 
right number of bikes in each location. :-)

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Agree with lconley about the entire resource issue compared to owning a 
car.  I would also say that I have just about one bike for each decade of 
my life, with some of them old enough to have been purchased in said 
decade.  The reality is that these bikes are a small bop in my impact on 
the planet compared with the very real impact of my doing a lot of other 
things, like driving to Costco and buying stuff flown in or driven to the 
store, throwing out all of the packaging, charging my EV car.  I don't feel 
very guilty when I take my unused parts or old bicycles to Gearing Up 
bikes, who trains kids to be bike mechanics refurbishing the frames and 
parts I brung them. 

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:58:06 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> In order to achieve a true “Fellowship” of Rivendells, the number would be 
> 9. 🧙🏻‍♂️
>
> On Mar 30, 2023, at 9:46 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> Of all the things in life that I feel guilty about or fret over, owning 
> too many bikes is not among them. There is maybe 250 total lbs of steel 
> among all of them, 750 lbs of of material total. If you own an average 
> American pickup truck or SUV, you have consumed more resources than me and 
> a Honda and all of my bicycles. The current total is 23 (10 Rivs), 25 (11 
> Rivs) if I include my wife's. I am down from 30+. My longest owned is a 
> 1973 production Paramount P-15 that I purchased new in December of 1975. I 
> haven't bought a bike/frame in almost 3 years. My current goal is to get 
> down to 15 or less - at that point all of them can be hung on the walls of 
> the garage (except for my wife's recumbent trike) so that I can get the 
> rowing sailboat into the garage and out of the storage unit.
>
> Thinning the herd is difficult. I find it easier to give away bicycles 
> that to sell them for some reason, but I am running out of bikes that I 
> will give away.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> John, a breath of fresh air. Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and 
>>> opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some 
>>> time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an 
>>> interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full 
>>> disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2 
>>> belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very 
>>> nice frames). 
>>>
>>> Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource 
>>> crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too 
>>> many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to 
>>> greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if 
>>> my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of 
>>> desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?
>>>
>>> Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many 
>>> bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing 
>>> countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can 
>>> have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and 
>>> education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a 
>>> family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself 
>>> how many bicycles I *need *causes me to cringe slightly and immediately 
>>> takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.
>>>
>>> Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students 
>>> understand the difference between *needs* and *desires, *and the 
>>> implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the 
>>> context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we 
>>> all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but 
>>> still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.
>>>
>>> I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration 
>>> interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and 
>>> ride so many lovely bicycles. 
>>>
>>> I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like 
 the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which 
 also 
 do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
 Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
 Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
 adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
 want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Brian Turner]

In order to achieve a true “Fellowship” of Rivendells, the number would be 9. 🧙🏻‍♂️On Mar 30, 2023, at 9:46 AM, lconley  wrote:Of all the things in life that I feel guilty about or fret over, owning too many bikes is not among them. There is maybe 250 total lbs of steel among all of them, 750 lbs of of material total. If you own an average American pickup truck or SUV, you have consumed more resources than me and a Honda and all of my bicycles. The current total is 23 (10 Rivs), 25 (11 Rivs) if I include my wife's. I am down from 30+. My longest owned is a 1973 production Paramount P-15 that I purchased new in December of 1975. I haven't bought a bike/frame in almost 3 years. My current goal is to get down to 15 or less - at that point all of them can be hung on the walls of the garage (except for my wife's recumbent trike) so that I can get the rowing sailboat into the garage and out of the storage unit.Thinning the herd is difficult. I find it easier to give away bicycles that to sell them for some reason, but I am running out of bikes that I will give away.LaingOn Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:John, a breath of fresh air. SteveOn Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:





At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2 belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very nice frames). 
Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?
Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself how many bicycles I need causes me to cringe slightly and immediately takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.
Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students understand the difference between needs and desires, and the implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.
I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and ride so many lovely bicycles. I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)Cheers, JohnOn Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is pure fantasy.Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but Pasto in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!  IanA Alberta CanadaOn Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:Hi all,I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with justification. I think it was 7. Any idea which reader it was in?Thanks!Tom PalmerTwin Lake, MI



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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[lconley]

Of all the things in life that I feel guilty about or fret over, owning too 
many bikes is not among them. There is maybe 250 total lbs of steel among 
all of them, 750 lbs of of material total. If you own an average American 
pickup truck or SUV, you have consumed more resources than me and a Honda 
and all of my bicycles. The current total is 23 (10 Rivs), 25 (11 Rivs) if 
I include my wife's. I am down from 30+. My longest owned is a 1973 
production Paramount P-15 that I purchased new in December of 1975. I 
haven't bought a bike/frame in almost 3 years. My current goal is to get 
down to 15 or less - at that point all of them can be hung on the walls of 
the garage (except for my wife's recumbent trike) so that I can get the 
rowing sailboat into the garage and out of the storage unit.
Thinning the herd is difficult. I find it easier to give away bicycles that 
to sell them for some reason, but I am running out of bikes that I will 
give away.

Laing

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> John, a breath of fresh air. Steve
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and 
>> opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some 
>> time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an 
>> interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full 
>> disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2 
>> belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very 
>> nice frames). 
>>
>> Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource 
>> crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too 
>> many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to 
>> greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if 
>> my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of 
>> desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?
>>
>> Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many 
>> bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing 
>> countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can 
>> have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and 
>> education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a 
>> family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself 
>> how many bicycles I *need *causes me to cringe slightly and immediately 
>> takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.
>>
>> Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students 
>> understand the difference between *needs* and *desires, *and the 
>> implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the 
>> context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we 
>> all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but 
>> still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.
>>
>> I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration 
>> interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and 
>> ride so many lovely bicycles. 
>>
>> I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like 
>>> the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also 
>>> do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
>>> Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
>>> Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
>>> adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
>>> want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
>>> commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
>>> and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
>>> and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
>>> but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is 
>>> pure fantasy.
>>>
>>> Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but 
>>> Pasto in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very 
>>> gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!  
>>>
>>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
 with justification. I think it was 7.
  Any idea which reader it was in?
 Thanks!
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Nick Shoemaker]

Rivendell group, right? There are four correct responses to the 'right' 
number of  rings bikes:

1
3
7
9

So everyone was right. Well done!

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Steven Sweedler]

John, a breath of fresh air. Steve

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and
> opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some
> time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an
> interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full
> disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2
> belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very
> nice frames).
>
> Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource
> crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too
> many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to
> greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if
> my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of
> desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?
>
> Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many
> bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing
> countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can
> have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and
> education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a
> family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself
> how many bicycles I *need *causes me to cringe slightly and immediately
> takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.
>
> Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students
> understand the difference between *needs* and *desires, *and the
> implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the
> context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we
> all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but
> still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.
>
> I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration
> interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and
> ride so many lovely bicycles.
>
> I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like
>> the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also
>> do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable
>> Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved
>> Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring
>> adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I
>> want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused
>> commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend
>> and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur
>> and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden,
>> but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is
>> pure fantasy.
>>
>> Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but
>> Pasto in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very
>> gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Garth]

My idea of multiple bicycles includes two or more like frame of varying 
colors and themes. A variety of setups : bars, wheels, tires, paint colors, 
etc. I love having two or more like items of varying colors. I do it with 
clothes and shoes all the time. Frankly that's what every bike/thing is 
anyways, infinite variations of the very conception called "bicycle". Just 
like say an apple, it's manifested/expressed in and as infinite ways. 
Infinity Infinitely supplying Infinity  is/as   I T / S E L F.Hence, 
what's "missing", is just that, "missing". 



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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[John Johnson]

Seems like most of those categories could be covered by a Clem (or a 
Platypus) with racks if one stretches the definition of "mixte"' and 
"beater". 
Of course there is no right number and we all do this mental gymnastic to 
convince ourselves that we "need" the amount of bikes we have (or +1). 
These conversations help me to know there are others out there with similar 
compulsions as myself. (Full disclosure, a 93 XO-1, a 93 XO-2, an 89 MB-1 
Clydesdale, a Clem L, a Jones SWB spaceframe, a Brompton, & considering 
adding a single speed since I have everything but the frame sitting in my 
parts bin)

And I agree with you, John (I've also spent the better part of the last 10 
years working for an NGO in sub-Saharan Africa and get lots of guilty 
feelings about what luxuries I have - not just bikes, but good shoes & 
clothes, vacation time, expendable income, roads, healthcare, etc...). I 
agree that hoarding isn't necessarily something to glamorize. But there are 
worse things than bikes, and I think the majority of the guys in the group 
are into bikes not just for the kick you get out of riding them, but also 
the fact that it's a fairly healthy and idealistic do-gooder pastime (if 
not totally altruistic, it's at least better than racing monster trucks). 
Bikes won't save the world, but they are a step in the right direction. 

And now I will poke you with the soft cushions!

-john
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:42:19 AM UTC+2 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I believe Grant's premise for the article was "how many bicycles do I need 
> to cover all the stuff l can do on bicycles", it wasn't an arbitrary number 
> of bikes I need. Obviously nobody needs more than one, it was a discussion 
> geared towards people reading a bike magazine and having the cash to own 2 
> or 7 or 9. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:33:55 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and 
>> opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some 
>> time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an 
>> interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full 
>> disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2 
>> belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very 
>> nice frames). 
>>
>> Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource 
>> crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too 
>> many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to 
>> greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if 
>> my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of 
>> desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?
>>
>> Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many 
>> bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing 
>> countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can 
>> have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and 
>> education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a 
>> family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself 
>> how many bicycles I *need *causes me to cringe slightly and immediately 
>> takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.
>>
>> Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students 
>> understand the difference between *needs* and *desires, *and the 
>> implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the 
>> context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we 
>> all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but 
>> still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.
>>
>> I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration 
>> interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and 
>> ride so many lovely bicycles. 
>>
>> I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like 
>>> the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also 
>>> do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
>>> Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
>>> Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
>>> adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
>>> want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
>>> commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
>>> and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
>>> and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
>>> but what if som

[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Joe Bernard]

I believe Grant's premise for the article was "how many bicycles do I need 
to cover all the stuff l can do on bicycles", it wasn't an arbitrary number 
of bikes I need. Obviously nobody needs more than one, it was a discussion 
geared towards people reading a bike magazine and having the cash to own 2 
or 7 or 9. 

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:33:55 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and 
> opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some 
> time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an 
> interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full 
> disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2 
> belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very 
> nice frames). 
>
> Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource 
> crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too 
> many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to 
> greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if 
> my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of 
> desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?
>
> Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many 
> bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing 
> countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can 
> have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and 
> education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a 
> family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself 
> how many bicycles I *need *causes me to cringe slightly and immediately 
> takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.
>
> Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students 
> understand the difference between *needs* and *desires, *and the 
> implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the 
> context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we 
> all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but 
> still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.
>
> I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration 
> interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and 
> ride so many lovely bicycles. 
>
> I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like 
>> the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also 
>> do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
>> Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
>> Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
>> adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
>> want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
>> commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
>> and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
>> and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
>> but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is 
>> pure fantasy.
>>
>> Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but 
>> Pasto in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very 
>> gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!  
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[John Rinker]

 

At the risk of taking this discussion in an unintended direction and 
opening a can of worms that, in my mind, has been opened for quite some 
time now, I find this question of how many bikes one ‘needs’ to be an 
interesting one to consider from a variety of perspectives. (Full 
disclosure: there are currently 7 bicycles in my shop- 3 of mine, 2 
belonging to my wife, and one is my daughter’s. There are also two very 
nice frames). 

Considering this question from the perspective of our current resource 
crisis - you know, the one in which there are too many humans desiring too 
many things that our planet has too few resources to sustain- helps me to 
greatly appreciate the bicycles I do ride, but also causes me question if 
my ownership of any more than one bike contributes to the imbalance of 
desires vs. resources. Anyone else bothered by this?

Another perspective through which I look at this question of ‘how many 
bikes does one need’ comes from my many years of living in developing 
countries in Africa and Asia where the ownership of a single bicycle can 
have significant ramifications for a family in terms of economics and 
education. In many of these places, that there would be one bicycle for a 
family of 7 (or more) would be considered a luxury. And so, to ask myself 
how many bicycles I *need *causes me to cringe slightly and immediately 
takes my mind down the road of resource distribution and equity.

Finally, as an educator, I’ve always made it a point to help my students 
understand the difference between *needs* and *desires, *and the 
implications of each on our habits of consumption. Of course, in the 
context of this group and this particular thread, I’m well aware that we 
all agree that we are speaking about our desires rather than our needs, but 
still, it’s another perspective from which to come at this question.

I’m sure there are other perspectives that might make this consideration 
interesting and, of course, remind us all how fortunate we are to own and 
ride so many lovely bicycles. 

I know, nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition! (Monty Python anybody?)

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:53:28 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like 
> the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also 
> do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
> Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
> Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
> adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
> want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
> commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
> and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
> and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
> but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is 
> pure fantasy.
>
> Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but Pasto 
> in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very 
> gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!  
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[DavidP]

Nice find, Eric. 

I like that the number shifts to 9 to give some wiggle room - because that 
is that number I have that I can (kind of) justify. Then there are the 
bikes I have but don't need (but still get ridden). Then there are the 
unicycles (which are just for fun).

-Dave (who should probably make a goal of getting down to 7 bikes)

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

> The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like 
> the relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also 
> do a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
> Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
> Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
> adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
> want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
> commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
> and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
> and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
> but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is 
> pure fantasy.
>
> Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but Pasto 
> in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very 
> gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!  
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Ian A]

The problem is, there is always justification for another bicycle, like the 
relatively new bikepacking designs (Jones Bikes for example) which also do 
a very good job of displacing conventional touring bikes. Or a foldable 
Brompton, just because. Then there is sentimentality, like my beloved 
Marinoni which  has taken and continues to take me on so many  touring 
adventures, but which I would not be shopping for if looking today as I 
want ever more tire clearance from a frame. Then there is the poor, abused 
commuter which gets ridden so much and so often, it becomes an old friend 
and thus impossible to give up. Then there is the lightweight randonneur 
and the back up randonneur. The back rando doesn't seem to ever get ridden, 
but what if something happened to the primary rando?  N+1 is real. N-1 is 
pure fantasy.

Willet: Ecuador has some made taxes on imports of most products, but Pasto 
in Colombia is only 50 miles from the Ecuador border. You could very 
gradually bring your bikes in one at a time!  

IanA Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:45:16 AM UTC-6 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Nick A.]

I surely appreciate your dedication. Your definition makes sense, given the 
idea of "bombing down a hill" klunker-style. 

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:29:14 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah! It took more looking than I want to admit, I was going back and 
> forth between my catalog scans and my shelf of the Complete Rivendell (all 
> readers, all catalogs). Worked through the Readers in reverse-chronological 
> order until I found it. 
>
> I *think* by bomber he means a stout trail bike given that none of the 
> others seem to describe a trail-worthy whip. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:01 PM UTC-4 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for finding that, Eric!
>>
>> ...could someone educate me on the term "bomber" in this context?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
>>> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
>>> ). 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
 with justification. I think it was 7.
  Any idea which reader it was in?
 Thanks!
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

>>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Eric Marth]

Yeah! It took more looking than I want to admit, I was going back and forth 
between my catalog scans and my shelf of the Complete Rivendell (all 
readers, all catalogs). Worked through the Readers in reverse-chronological 
order until I found it. 

I *think* by bomber he means a stout trail bike given that none of the 
others seem to describe a trail-worthy whip. 

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:01 PM UTC-4 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks for finding that, Eric!
>
> ...could someone educate me on the term "bomber" in this context?
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
>> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
>> ). 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice to finally have an authoritative value from Grant for "n", which I 
seem to have forever struggled with back in high school Calc class.  Of 
course, since I'm single, I'll need to factor that in and carry the one, 
which leaves me with "N x 2" or a total of 18.  Bingo!, which is exactly 
what I currently have.  Hoping to move to Ecuador in two years, where they 
permit a grand total of ONE bicycle to be brought into the country tax/duty 
free with other household belongings.  Going from 18 all the way to 1 isn't 
likely to happen until after I've expelled my last breath and my ashes have 
cooled down, so I guess I shouldn't worry about it.  But I do, with the 
nightmare scenario of my Bombadil being dropped off at a local Goodwill and 
sold for $50 ever present.  I guess this is what the rest of the world 
would call "white people problems", and they most certainly are right about 
that.  But still, it is a Bombadil

Willet M.

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:43:52 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> I agree that three feels right for me, but which three is the eternal 
> question:
>
> Currently:
>
>- Proto-Gallop 61.5 - set up with Albatross as daily commuter 
>- 2TT Bombadil 60 - set up with Bullmoose and slicks to cover my 
>touring dreams
>- Hunqapillar 58 - set up with Jones bar and 2.1 Thunderburts 
>semi-knobby as my hillibike
>- Rambouillet (orange) 60 - set up with drop bars and JB 33's as my 
>road bike
>- Wilbury 60 - only one with 650bx38 and with Albatross bars - a mixte 
>to future proof any flexibility and mobility challenges in 20 years
>- Atlantis 61 - set up with a Bullbar and 2.1 Thunderburts semi-knobby 
>as a country bike abroad
>
> *Not counting the one abroad, I need to reduce two to get the magic number 
> 3. Which ones? Probably Wilbury and Gallop would be the first to go, but I 
> still want to ride them a bit more now that the weather is better before 
> making a decision.
>
> Then again, 5 or 7 or 9 also feels right no?
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> I've already gotten rid of a couple and still need to drop one...
>> I think 3 is the magic number
>> Currently:
>> 2009 Hillborne, canti 56cm (Original Green , recently painted Harvest 
>> Gold) - 700x43
>> 2017 Appaloosa 55cm (Silver) - 29x2.1
>> 2019 Cheviot 60cm (metallic Blue) - 700x50
>> 2004 Romulus, canti 59cm (Blue) - 700x35
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:07:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the 
>>> sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and 
>>> there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as 
>>> the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the 
>>> "project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to 
>>> start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on 
>>> order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to 
>>> do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's 
>>> getting cozy.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
 with justification. I think it was 7.
  Any idea which reader it was in?
 Thanks!
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

>>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Nick A.]

Thanks for finding that, Eric!

...could someone educate me on the term "bomber" in this context?

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:16:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Eric Marth]

Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on page 
6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
). 

[image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[maxcr]

I agree that three feels right for me, but which three is the eternal 
question:

Currently:

   - Proto-Gallop 61.5 - set up with Albatross as daily commuter 
   - 2TT Bombadil 60 - set up with Bullmoose and slicks to cover my touring 
   dreams
   - Hunqapillar 58 - set up with Jones bar and 2.1 Thunderburts 
   semi-knobby as my hillibike
   - Rambouillet (orange) 60 - set up with drop bars and JB 33's as my road 
   bike
   - Wilbury 60 - only one with 650bx38 and with Albatross bars - a mixte 
   to future proof any flexibility and mobility challenges in 20 years
   - Atlantis 61 - set up with a Bullbar and 2.1 Thunderburts semi-knobby 
   as a country bike abroad

*Not counting the one abroad, I need to reduce two to get the magic number 
3. Which ones? Probably Wilbury and Gallop would be the first to go, but I 
still want to ride them a bit more now that the weather is better before 
making a decision.

Then again, 5 or 7 or 9 also feels right no?

Max
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> I've already gotten rid of a couple and still need to drop one...
> I think 3 is the magic number
> Currently:
> 2009 Hillborne, canti 56cm (Original Green , recently painted Harvest 
> Gold) - 700x43
> 2017 Appaloosa 55cm (Silver) - 29x2.1
> 2019 Cheviot 60cm (metallic Blue) - 700x50
> 2004 Romulus, canti 59cm (Blue) - 700x35
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:07:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the 
>> sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and 
>> there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as 
>> the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the 
>> "project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to 
>> start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on 
>> order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to 
>> do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's 
>> getting cozy.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Eric Daume]

Agree that three is a good target (road, mountain, utility), so why am I at
seven? I feel a sale coming up.

This topic always reminds me of the Peter Egan column asking how many
motorcycles you need. He comes out to five, with much of the same rationale
we use for bikes. I'm at zero there :(

https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1997/3/1/how-many-bikes-do-you-really-need

Eric


On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 7:32 PM J Schwartz  wrote:

> I've already gotten rid of a couple and still need to drop one...
> I think 3 is the magic number
> Currently:
> 2009 Hillborne, canti 56cm (Original Green , recently painted Harvest
> Gold) - 700x43
> 2017 Appaloosa 55cm (Silver) - 29x2.1
> 2019 Cheviot 60cm (metallic Blue) - 700x50
> 2004 Romulus, canti 59cm (Blue) - 700x35
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:07:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the
>> sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and
>> there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as
>> the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the
>> "project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to
>> start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on
>> order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to
>> do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's
>> getting cozy.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[J Schwartz]

I've already gotten rid of a couple and still need to drop one...
I think 3 is the magic number
Currently:
2009 Hillborne, canti 56cm (Original Green , recently painted Harvest Gold) 
- 700x43
2017 Appaloosa 55cm (Silver) - 29x2.1
2019 Cheviot 60cm (metallic Blue) - 700x50
2004 Romulus, canti 59cm (Blue) - 700x35

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:07:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the 
> sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and 
> there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as 
> the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the 
> "project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to 
> start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on 
> order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to 
> do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's 
> getting cozy.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Bill Lindsay]

My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the 
sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and 
there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as 
the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the 
"project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to 
start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on 
order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to 
do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's 
getting cozy.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Guy LeVan]

I have way too much overlap in my quiver:

2015 Soma San Marcos (Tiburon Blue) - 57cm
2018 Atlantis  (650B) - 56cm
2022 Crust Canti Romanceur (Pistachio) - 57cm
2022 Sam Hillborne (HiHo Silver) - 57cm
2004ish Rambouillet (Joe Bell Custom Brown) - 60cm
2022 Wolbis/Susie (Dark Gold) - 56cm
2021 Gus Boots (Mermaid) - 59cm
2022 Roadini (RBW Orange) - 57cm
2020 Platypus (Mermaid) - 60cm
2022 Rosco Bubbe - (Purple) - 60cm

I would really like to slim down the herd!  You interested in helping?

Guy

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:

> Bikes in order of use:
>
>1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
>2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven) for clipped 
>in rides and longer road tours
>3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
>4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
>5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt 
>motor for shopping.
>6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile rides 
>if driving to a big car traffic event
>7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame as 
>the ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let Greg 
>usurp his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.  
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
> Bikes in order of use
>
>1. Joe Appa daily driver
>2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
>3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
>4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
>5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed
>
> Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!
>
> Edwin
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bikes in order of use:

   1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
   2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven) for clipped 
   in rides and longer road tours
   3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
   4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
   5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt motor 
   for shopping.
   6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile rides if 
   driving to a big car traffic event
   7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame as the 
   ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let Greg usurp 
   his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.  


On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

Bikes in order of use

   1. Joe Appa daily driver
   2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
   3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
   4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
   5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed

Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!

Edwin



On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

Hi all,
I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
justification. I think it was 7.
 Any idea which reader it was in?
Thanks!
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Edwin W]

Bikes in order of use

   1. Joe Appa daily driver
   2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
   3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
   4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
   5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed

Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!

Edwin



On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Thomas McCause]

That works out great for me as I have 7 in the current rotation
1-Velo Orange Polyvalent V1.0 - SS with fenders
2-80something Miyata Touring Bike, albatross bars with a basket on a front 
rack
3-Soma Wolverine 1x11 Gravel Bike
4-Handsome XOXO 2x9 with Moustache bars and RTPs
5-Surly Big Dummy
6-Scott fillet brazed mountain bike converted to commuter with fenders, 
racks, and (right now) spiked tires
7-Gen 1 Coleman Green Rivendell Quickbeam with an OMM front rack and Riv 
fillet brazed bullmoose bars




On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:54:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I think I had the number three in my head from a Rivelo post.  I feel like 
> I only need two versatile bikes.
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Conway Bennett]

I think I had the number three in my head from a Rivelo post.  I feel like 
I only need two versatile bikes.

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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