[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Garth]

I've wanted to reply to this but have not the arrangement of words I find 
most fitting. Then I re-called this, 
https://realityandmind.wordpress.com/2018/04/18/freedom-to-choose-and-freedom-from-choice/
 
, and yes, that'll do just fine. This applies to "everything"/ 

I'll post it here as well :

*"  Freedom to choose and freedom from choice* 


























* Only a confused mind could mistake choice for freedom. Choice always 
implies that a sacrifice has to be made. Choice is a duality in desire. Two 
conflicting desires always imply the sacrifice of one in favour of the 
other. Choice is the paradigm of sacrifice, cost, unfulfillment and 
incompleteness. It is strange that in such a paradigm freedom could have 
any meaning at all when sacrifice is the rule. . If freedom has a meaning, 
it is freedom from choice, freedom from sacrifice, freedom from 
incompleteness and frustration. Only the divided heart has to choose. Only 
the broken heart has to keep on sacrificing a part of itself in order to 
save another. As long as the broken heart accepts choice, it cannot heal 
and remains broken. The freedom to choose is truly the obligation to 
sacrifice one’s heart. But for a heart who only knows sacrifice, the only 
way to find a peace of mind is to turn an obligation into a freedom and a 
sacrifice into an opportunity for gain. . A choosing heart doesn’t know 
what freedom means because it replaced its obligation to sacrifice by its 
freedom to choose. The whole frame of reference has been inverted in order 
to make the unacceptable acceptable. The words have been turned upside down 
in order to conceal the reality of its slavery. The certainty of loss is 
turned into an opportunity for gain. The immediate loss is not perceived, 
only the potential gain is pursued. Unless choice is seen for the 
obligation to sacrifice that it is, the individual remains in dreamland. 
The heart remains in chains. . Undivided, not compelled to choose, the free 
heart is whole, all for itself, in love with itself. It cannot gain 
anything simply because it is already whole. When there is nothing to gain, 
nothing has been lost. " *


All One Whole Beautiful Infinite Indivisible Being
Life Itself
: - ) 

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:33:04 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

Most bike crashes are solo falls.  


Do you have a source of statistics to back up that claim?

My experience over 50 years is 3 falls caused by being hit by a car (+1 hit 
by car where I didn't fall), 3 by tangling with another cyclist, 2 by a dog 
running into my front wheel, and 1 by a hawk flying into my front wheel. My 
"solo falls" are twice going down on ice and once going down on a dirt road 
mountain descent hairpin turn. I was wearing a helmet on all of those 
occasions except one of the dog incidents. On the hawk incident the helmet 
likely spared me some damage, and on the one dog incident a helmet likely 
would have spared me the concussion and cuts. All the others, including all 
three of the car incidents, two of which involved flipping over the hoods 
of the cars, the helmet didn't come into play.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Roberta]

Ted, thank you for the VA Tech article and ratings testing helmets. I’m 
glad you were able to type the info. 

Pam, like you, always wear mine, although a few times I’ve forgotten to put 
it on for my 2 mile ride to work. If I realize within a few blocks, I’ll go 
home to retrieve it. The only fall I’ve had in recent years was solo at 
slow speed and was glad my helmet met the ground directly with a light 
thump, and not my head.

 Still, everyone needs to make that decision for himself. 

What is the thought of when to replace-5 years, 10 years, marketing ploy? 
 My newest helmet is about 5 years old. 

Roberta
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 9:53:57 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> Notes from personal experience. Your experience and views may be different.
>
> Lived for 3 years in the southern Netherlands, and it's wonderful place to 
> cycle both for transit and for exercise. When cycling for transportation 
> (shopping, going out to dinner, etc.), yes, it is common to see people 
> without helmets. Dedicated lanes, slower traffic overall (read - speed 
> cameras work), and again dedicated bike lanes made car/bicycle less 
> worrisome. Plus the cycling is low speed, figure 10-12 mph. 
>
> However, when taking out the road bike for exercise, helmets were common. 
> Nice lanes even outside of the major areas. Loved the path-side garbage 
> nets, set up to have the cyclists toss their banana peels, etc. as they 
> rode by. 
>
> Back here in the US, I was on a dedicated path. No cars. Ran over a stick 
> (apparently, as I remember nothing), which caught in my spokes, and I 
> scorpioned. Fractured skull, and a  range of other fun things. If I was not 
> wearing a  helmet, I'm not typing this today. Even with one, the long term 
> impact of traumatic brain injury (TBI) is not small. 
>
> Back on the bike, and using one of the top rated helmets from VA Tech (
> https://helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html). 
>
> One can choose not to wear one. 
>
> I'll be wearing mine. 
>
> T
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 8:04:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> What I find most illuminating and encouraging about this discussion is 
>> that it is such a wonderful example of civil discourse. On a topic that can 
>> be quite polarizing because of each individual's experiences and emotional 
>> investment, it is remarkable to see the conversation progress along 
>> reasonable, respectful lines of inquiry and anecdote. Bravo to the members 
>> of this forum! If only our society at large could be so...Rivish!
>>
>> On a side note, Edwin I did check out the Gene Hackman article and was 
>> immediately dismayed by the headline: "Gene Hackman struck by car while 
>> riding a bike." In fact, he was struck by *the careless driver *of said 
>> car (unless the vehicle in question was an autonomous vehicle). Blaming the 
>> accident on the car shifts responsibility from where it actually rests: the 
>> driver. Careful drivers don't strike cyclists or pedestrians, and careful 
>> people don't have accidents. At least, not when they're being careful.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the 
>>> CA coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
>>> horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
>>> significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
>>> investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
>>> on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
>>> sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
>>> some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. 
>>> I've 
>>> seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
>>> this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 
>>>
>>> If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
>>> them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
>>> kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to 
>>> follow, but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what 
>>> they require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main 
>>> things:  1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of 
>>> crash modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam 
>>> material is about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be 
>>> to properly cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, 
>>> and they're being applied in football helmets, for example. But their 
>>> applicability to cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, 
>>> duration of activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 
>>>
>>> Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
>>> wearing helmets is just as safe or 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Pam Bikes]

A helmet is never a bad idea.  The pavement is hard whether you're in your 
driveway alone or w/a a group.  Most bike crashes are solo falls.  Helmets 
can help.   More upside than downside to wearing a helmet.  I'd rather plan 
my next ride than waste time deciding whether to wear a helmet and when.  I 
just wear it all the time.

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> No but I think it is a good idea, thank you. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> @jrstern - have you ever been examined for inner ear problems?  Might be 
>> a worthwhile thing to do.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> As I am getting older I find my balance is not as good as it used to be. 
>>> At 72 I had not worn a helmet in many years. 3 1/2 weeks ago I took a bad 
>>> spill, tire hitting a raised curve on a bike trail, one I use to get to 
>>> quiet street to ride. My reflexes are not as good as they used to be. I 
>>> landed on my left side, bruised forehead, skin tissue damage on my left 
>>> side at shoulder and ribs. I took 2 short rides this week,  with a helmet, 
>>> I don’t like them but but my balancing seems to be a bit off, maybe a mixte 
>>> would be better now. I’ve been sleeping in my recliner as it has been the 
>>> most comfortable place. I will wear a helmet now as age may dictate better 
>>> protection. I also think tha wider bars I use now offer less control as I 
>>> had 3 near balance issues yesterday at very slow speeds. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:32:26 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 It boils down to the potential for a sudden stop, primarily your head 
 and something of greater mass. Inertia is the culprit even if you have a 
 hard head your brain is floating inside it tethered only to your spinal 
 cord. 

 I guess in tort law it is standard not to expect a person to be 
 responsible for the infinite possible acts of others but to demonstrate 
 the 
 choices of a reasonably prudent person. 

 Those two things exist. I was struck from my bike by the side mirror of 
 a passing truck without a helmet the spring of tenth grade. I didn't 
 remember things or people for days. An MRI, three nights in the hospital, 
 finally recognizing my dad and a neurosurgeon when talking about how to 
 address my subdural hematoma. The back left of my head felt like an 
 overripe banana was under the flesh. I didn't know what a craniotomy was 
 but am happy my dad chose letting all the blood reabsorb on its own, even 
 though it meant a debilitating headache and bedrest for most of three 
 months. Learning to walk again after the deconditioning and weight loss 
 was 
 bad. 

 Riding my new Rambouillet cross country years later I suffered a rear 
 tire slash going 40mph downhill. Before I could get stopped I had some 
 steering to do which I was unable to do any longer and went over in a high 
 side. The road was freshly chip topped tar using what they had around 
 which 
 was very hard, granite-like. I hit it with the back left of my head and 
 nearly top of my shoulder. My helmet broke and slid, my shoulder (then 
 several other points) hit and stuck like velcro to the sharp shards of the 
 road surface taking out scoops of flesh each time until I slowed to a 
 slide. I was a bloody mess, my helmet was but for one piece of lining pad 
 in two pieces and my left shoulder not quite right.

 My cohorts on this adventure had lead more gentle lives to this point 
 and hadn't been around many in-person injuries or blood. My shoulder was 
 separated (collar bone no longer connected to the projection of the 
 shoulder blade...ligament broken) and I needed to get going. No cars 
 passed 
 us in the previous hours, no cell phone coverage and dark clouds across 
 the 
 western half of the sky. Our overnight was 43 miles away so I got up and 
 rode there. The others, in shock from their experience of my injuries, did 
 ultimately follow.

 Getting away with your head and contents functioning permits better 
 stories to tell later. I emailed Grant about my ride after being all torn 
 up and bloody, my jersey hem pullled into a sling and my orange 
 Rambouillet 
 rideable with one hand. These seemed liike options and observations 
 resulting from being reasonable and prudent about wearing a helmet. Being 
 thusly rewarded I continue to choose the paradigm I followed after having 
 experienced my brain being bashed about inside my young skull and the 
 resulting bruising that caused. It surely saved me this time and was just 
 on my head for an 80 mile ride out and back on the GAP Monday and 
 Tuesday.[image: 
 85A9C7C6-2E3B-4530-BE90-ABE2A317E084_1_105_c.jpeg]
 Andy 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Pam Bikes]

T

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> No but I think it is a good idea, thank you. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> @jrstern - have you ever been examined for inner ear problems?  Might be 
>> a worthwhile thing to do.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> As I am getting older I find my balance is not as good as it used to be. 
>>> At 72 I had not worn a helmet in many years. 3 1/2 weeks ago I took a bad 
>>> spill, tire hitting a raised curve on a bike trail, one I use to get to 
>>> quiet street to ride. My reflexes are not as good as they used to be. I 
>>> landed on my left side, bruised forehead, skin tissue damage on my left 
>>> side at shoulder and ribs. I took 2 short rides this week,  with a helmet, 
>>> I don’t like them but but my balancing seems to be a bit off, maybe a mixte 
>>> would be better now. I’ve been sleeping in my recliner as it has been the 
>>> most comfortable place. I will wear a helmet now as age may dictate better 
>>> protection. I also think tha wider bars I use now offer less control as I 
>>> had 3 near balance issues yesterday at very slow speeds. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:32:26 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 It boils down to the potential for a sudden stop, primarily your head 
 and something of greater mass. Inertia is the culprit even if you have a 
 hard head your brain is floating inside it tethered only to your spinal 
 cord. 

 I guess in tort law it is standard not to expect a person to be 
 responsible for the infinite possible acts of others but to demonstrate 
 the 
 choices of a reasonably prudent person. 

 Those two things exist. I was struck from my bike by the side mirror of 
 a passing truck without a helmet the spring of tenth grade. I didn't 
 remember things or people for days. An MRI, three nights in the hospital, 
 finally recognizing my dad and a neurosurgeon when talking about how to 
 address my subdural hematoma. The back left of my head felt like an 
 overripe banana was under the flesh. I didn't know what a craniotomy was 
 but am happy my dad chose letting all the blood reabsorb on its own, even 
 though it meant a debilitating headache and bedrest for most of three 
 months. Learning to walk again after the deconditioning and weight loss 
 was 
 bad. 

 Riding my new Rambouillet cross country years later I suffered a rear 
 tire slash going 40mph downhill. Before I could get stopped I had some 
 steering to do which I was unable to do any longer and went over in a high 
 side. The road was freshly chip topped tar using what they had around 
 which 
 was very hard, granite-like. I hit it with the back left of my head and 
 nearly top of my shoulder. My helmet broke and slid, my shoulder (then 
 several other points) hit and stuck like velcro to the sharp shards of the 
 road surface taking out scoops of flesh each time until I slowed to a 
 slide. I was a bloody mess, my helmet was but for one piece of lining pad 
 in two pieces and my left shoulder not quite right.

 My cohorts on this adventure had lead more gentle lives to this point 
 and hadn't been around many in-person injuries or blood. My shoulder was 
 separated (collar bone no longer connected to the projection of the 
 shoulder blade...ligament broken) and I needed to get going. No cars 
 passed 
 us in the previous hours, no cell phone coverage and dark clouds across 
 the 
 western half of the sky. Our overnight was 43 miles away so I got up and 
 rode there. The others, in shock from their experience of my injuries, did 
 ultimately follow.

 Getting away with your head and contents functioning permits better 
 stories to tell later. I emailed Grant about my ride after being all torn 
 up and bloody, my jersey hem pullled into a sling and my orange 
 Rambouillet 
 rideable with one hand. These seemed liike options and observations 
 resulting from being reasonable and prudent about wearing a helmet. Being 
 thusly rewarded I continue to choose the paradigm I followed after having 
 experienced my brain being bashed about inside my young skull and the 
 resulting bruising that caused. It surely saved me this time and was just 
 on my head for an 80 mile ride out and back on the GAP Monday and 
 Tuesday.[image: 
 85A9C7C6-2E3B-4530-BE90-ABE2A317E084_1_105_c.jpeg]
 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh



 On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> [image: 
> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>
> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
> tomorrow I have 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[J S]

No but I think it is a good idea, thank you. 

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> @jrstern - have you ever been examined for inner ear problems?  Might be a 
> worthwhile thing to do.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> As I am getting older I find my balance is not as good as it used to be. 
>> At 72 I had not worn a helmet in many years. 3 1/2 weeks ago I took a bad 
>> spill, tire hitting a raised curve on a bike trail, one I use to get to 
>> quiet street to ride. My reflexes are not as good as they used to be. I 
>> landed on my left side, bruised forehead, skin tissue damage on my left 
>> side at shoulder and ribs. I took 2 short rides this week,  with a helmet, 
>> I don’t like them but but my balancing seems to be a bit off, maybe a mixte 
>> would be better now. I’ve been sleeping in my recliner as it has been the 
>> most comfortable place. I will wear a helmet now as age may dictate better 
>> protection. I also think tha wider bars I use now offer less control as I 
>> had 3 near balance issues yesterday at very slow speeds. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:32:26 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> It boils down to the potential for a sudden stop, primarily your head 
>>> and something of greater mass. Inertia is the culprit even if you have a 
>>> hard head your brain is floating inside it tethered only to your spinal 
>>> cord. 
>>>
>>> I guess in tort law it is standard not to expect a person to be 
>>> responsible for the infinite possible acts of others but to demonstrate the 
>>> choices of a reasonably prudent person. 
>>>
>>> Those two things exist. I was struck from my bike by the side mirror of 
>>> a passing truck without a helmet the spring of tenth grade. I didn't 
>>> remember things or people for days. An MRI, three nights in the hospital, 
>>> finally recognizing my dad and a neurosurgeon when talking about how to 
>>> address my subdural hematoma. The back left of my head felt like an 
>>> overripe banana was under the flesh. I didn't know what a craniotomy was 
>>> but am happy my dad chose letting all the blood reabsorb on its own, even 
>>> though it meant a debilitating headache and bedrest for most of three 
>>> months. Learning to walk again after the deconditioning and weight loss was 
>>> bad. 
>>>
>>> Riding my new Rambouillet cross country years later I suffered a rear 
>>> tire slash going 40mph downhill. Before I could get stopped I had some 
>>> steering to do which I was unable to do any longer and went over in a high 
>>> side. The road was freshly chip topped tar using what they had around which 
>>> was very hard, granite-like. I hit it with the back left of my head and 
>>> nearly top of my shoulder. My helmet broke and slid, my shoulder (then 
>>> several other points) hit and stuck like velcro to the sharp shards of the 
>>> road surface taking out scoops of flesh each time until I slowed to a 
>>> slide. I was a bloody mess, my helmet was but for one piece of lining pad 
>>> in two pieces and my left shoulder not quite right.
>>>
>>> My cohorts on this adventure had lead more gentle lives to this point 
>>> and hadn't been around many in-person injuries or blood. My shoulder was 
>>> separated (collar bone no longer connected to the projection of the 
>>> shoulder blade...ligament broken) and I needed to get going. No cars passed 
>>> us in the previous hours, no cell phone coverage and dark clouds across the 
>>> western half of the sky. Our overnight was 43 miles away so I got up and 
>>> rode there. The others, in shock from their experience of my injuries, did 
>>> ultimately follow.
>>>
>>> Getting away with your head and contents functioning permits better 
>>> stories to tell later. I emailed Grant about my ride after being all torn 
>>> up and bloody, my jersey hem pullled into a sling and my orange Rambouillet 
>>> rideable with one hand. These seemed liike options and observations 
>>> resulting from being reasonable and prudent about wearing a helmet. Being 
>>> thusly rewarded I continue to choose the paradigm I followed after having 
>>> experienced my brain being bashed about inside my young skull and the 
>>> resulting bruising that caused. It surely saved me this time and was just 
>>> on my head for an 80 mile ride out and back on the GAP Monday and 
>>> Tuesday.[image: 
>>> 85A9C7C6-2E3B-4530-BE90-ABE2A317E084_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 [image: 
 oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]

 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
 tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
 HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
 Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[George Schick]

@jrstern - have you ever been examined for inner ear problems?  Might be a 
worthwhile thing to do.


On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I am getting older I find my balance is not as good as it used to be. 
> At 72 I had not worn a helmet in many years. 3 1/2 weeks ago I took a bad 
> spill, tire hitting a raised curve on a bike trail, one I use to get to 
> quiet street to ride. My reflexes are not as good as they used to be. I 
> landed on my left side, bruised forehead, skin tissue damage on my left 
> side at shoulder and ribs. I took 2 short rides this week,  with a helmet, 
> I don’t like them but but my balancing seems to be a bit off, maybe a mixte 
> would be better now. I’ve been sleeping in my recliner as it has been the 
> most comfortable place. I will wear a helmet now as age may dictate better 
> protection. I also think tha wider bars I use now offer less control as I 
> had 3 near balance issues yesterday at very slow speeds. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:32:26 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> It boils down to the potential for a sudden stop, primarily your head and 
>> something of greater mass. Inertia is the culprit even if you have a hard 
>> head your brain is floating inside it tethered only to your spinal cord. 
>>
>> I guess in tort law it is standard not to expect a person to be 
>> responsible for the infinite possible acts of others but to demonstrate the 
>> choices of a reasonably prudent person. 
>>
>> Those two things exist. I was struck from my bike by the side mirror of a 
>> passing truck without a helmet the spring of tenth grade. I didn't remember 
>> things or people for days. An MRI, three nights in the hospital, finally 
>> recognizing my dad and a neurosurgeon when talking about how to address my 
>> subdural hematoma. The back left of my head felt like an overripe banana 
>> was under the flesh. I didn't know what a craniotomy was but am happy my 
>> dad chose letting all the blood reabsorb on its own, even though it meant a 
>> debilitating headache and bedrest for most of three months. Learning to 
>> walk again after the deconditioning and weight loss was bad. 
>>
>> Riding my new Rambouillet cross country years later I suffered a rear 
>> tire slash going 40mph downhill. Before I could get stopped I had some 
>> steering to do which I was unable to do any longer and went over in a high 
>> side. The road was freshly chip topped tar using what they had around which 
>> was very hard, granite-like. I hit it with the back left of my head and 
>> nearly top of my shoulder. My helmet broke and slid, my shoulder (then 
>> several other points) hit and stuck like velcro to the sharp shards of the 
>> road surface taking out scoops of flesh each time until I slowed to a 
>> slide. I was a bloody mess, my helmet was but for one piece of lining pad 
>> in two pieces and my left shoulder not quite right.
>>
>> My cohorts on this adventure had lead more gentle lives to this point and 
>> hadn't been around many in-person injuries or blood. My shoulder was 
>> separated (collar bone no longer connected to the projection of the 
>> shoulder blade...ligament broken) and I needed to get going. No cars passed 
>> us in the previous hours, no cell phone coverage and dark clouds across the 
>> western half of the sky. Our overnight was 43 miles away so I got up and 
>> rode there. The others, in shock from their experience of my injuries, did 
>> ultimately follow.
>>
>> Getting away with your head and contents functioning permits better 
>> stories to tell later. I emailed Grant about my ride after being all torn 
>> up and bloody, my jersey hem pullled into a sling and my orange Rambouillet 
>> rideable with one hand. These seemed liike options and observations 
>> resulting from being reasonable and prudent about wearing a helmet. Being 
>> thusly rewarded I continue to choose the paradigm I followed after having 
>> experienced my brain being bashed about inside my young skull and the 
>> resulting bruising that caused. It surely saved me this time and was just 
>> on my head for an 80 mile ride out and back on the GAP Monday and 
>> Tuesday.[image: 
>> 85A9C7C6-2E3B-4530-BE90-ABE2A317E084_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
>>> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
>>> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
>>> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
>>> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
>>> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
>>> Hospital in New London who looked after me and 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[J S]

As I am getting older I find my balance is not as good as it used to be. At 
72 I had not worn a helmet in many years. 3 1/2 weeks ago I took a bad 
spill, tire hitting a raised curve on a bike trail, one I use to get to 
quiet street to ride. My reflexes are not as good as they used to be. I 
landed on my left side, bruised forehead, skin tissue damage on my left 
side at shoulder and ribs. I took 2 short rides this week,  with a helmet, 
I don’t like them but but my balancing seems to be a bit off, maybe a mixte 
would be better now. I’ve been sleeping in my recliner as it has been the 
most comfortable place. I will wear a helmet now as age may dictate better 
protection. I also think tha wider bars I use now offer less control as I 
had 3 near balance issues yesterday at very slow speeds. 

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:32:26 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> It boils down to the potential for a sudden stop, primarily your head and 
> something of greater mass. Inertia is the culprit even if you have a hard 
> head your brain is floating inside it tethered only to your spinal cord. 
>
> I guess in tort law it is standard not to expect a person to be 
> responsible for the infinite possible acts of others but to demonstrate the 
> choices of a reasonably prudent person. 
>
> Those two things exist. I was struck from my bike by the side mirror of a 
> passing truck without a helmet the spring of tenth grade. I didn't remember 
> things or people for days. An MRI, three nights in the hospital, finally 
> recognizing my dad and a neurosurgeon when talking about how to address my 
> subdural hematoma. The back left of my head felt like an overripe banana 
> was under the flesh. I didn't know what a craniotomy was but am happy my 
> dad chose letting all the blood reabsorb on its own, even though it meant a 
> debilitating headache and bedrest for most of three months. Learning to 
> walk again after the deconditioning and weight loss was bad. 
>
> Riding my new Rambouillet cross country years later I suffered a rear tire 
> slash going 40mph downhill. Before I could get stopped I had some steering 
> to do which I was unable to do any longer and went over in a high side. The 
> road was freshly chip topped tar using what they had around which was very 
> hard, granite-like. I hit it with the back left of my head and nearly top 
> of my shoulder. My helmet broke and slid, my shoulder (then several other 
> points) hit and stuck like velcro to the sharp shards of the road surface 
> taking out scoops of flesh each time until I slowed to a slide. I was a 
> bloody mess, my helmet was but for one piece of lining pad in two pieces 
> and my left shoulder not quite right.
>
> My cohorts on this adventure had lead more gentle lives to this point and 
> hadn't been around many in-person injuries or blood. My shoulder was 
> separated (collar bone no longer connected to the projection of the 
> shoulder blade...ligament broken) and I needed to get going. No cars passed 
> us in the previous hours, no cell phone coverage and dark clouds across the 
> western half of the sky. Our overnight was 43 miles away so I got up and 
> rode there. The others, in shock from their experience of my injuries, did 
> ultimately follow.
>
> Getting away with your head and contents functioning permits better 
> stories to tell later. I emailed Grant about my ride after being all torn 
> up and bloody, my jersey hem pullled into a sling and my orange Rambouillet 
> rideable with one hand. These seemed liike options and observations 
> resulting from being reasonable and prudent about wearing a helmet. Being 
> thusly rewarded I continue to choose the paradigm I followed after having 
> experienced my brain being bashed about inside my young skull and the 
> resulting bruising that caused. It surely saved me this time and was just 
> on my head for an 80 mile ride out and back on the GAP Monday and 
> Tuesday.[image: 
> 85A9C7C6-2E3B-4530-BE90-ABE2A317E084_1_105_c.jpeg]
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> [image: 
>> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>>
>> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
>> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
>> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
>> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
>> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
>> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
>> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
>> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
>> safe Gx”
>>  
>> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Max S]

I would definitely prefer to have fewer injuries, lower risk of death, and 
definitely to protect against "closed-head injury." Read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-head_injury  
I'll quote from the Wikipedia article: 

"Helmets can be used to decrease closed-head injuries acquired during 
athletic activities, and are considered necessary for sports such as 
American "tackle" football, where frequent head impacts are a normal part 
of the game. However, recent studies have questioned the effectiveness of 
even American football helmets, where the assumed protection of helmets 
promotes far more head impacts, a behavior known as risk compensation 
. The net result seems to 
have been an increase, not decrease, in injuries.[20] 
 *The 
similar sports of Australian-rules football and rugby are always played 
helmetless, and see far fewer traumatic brain injuries*. (See Australian 
rules football injuries 
.)

Bicycle helmets  are perhaps 
the most promoted variety of helmet, based on the assumption that cycling 
without a helmet is a dangerous activity, with a large risk of serious 
brain injury. However, available data clearly shows that to be false. *Cycling 
(with approximately 700 American fatalities per year from all medical 
causes) is a very minor source of fatal traumatic brain injury, whose 
American total is approximately 52,000 per year.[21] 
 Similarly, 
bicycling causes only 3% of America's non-fatal traumatic brain injury.*

Still, bicycle-helmet promotion campaigns are common, and many U.S 
jurisdictions have enacted mandatory bicycle-helmet laws for children. A 
few such jurisdictions, a few Canadian provinces, plus Australia and New 
Zealand mandate bicycle helmets even for adults. A bicycle-helmet 
educational campaign directed toward children claimed an increase in helmet 
use from 5.5% to 40.2% leading to a claimed decrease in bicycle-related 
head injuries by nearly 67%.[22] 
 However, 
other sources have shown that bicycle-helmet promotion reduces cycling, *often 
with no per-cyclist reduction in traumatic brain injury*.[23] 
[24] 


Estimates of bicycle-helmet use by American adults vary. One study found 
that only 25-30% of American adults wear helmets while riding bicycles,[25] 
 
*despite 
decades of promotion and despite sport cyclists' adoption of helmets as 
part of their uniform*." 
... so, it seems to me that these pro-helmet admonishments are based on 
selective reading of statistics, with a dollop of confirmation bias that 
helmets "work." But we can also look at the statistics and acknowledge 
that, statistically speaking, the idea of increasing bicycle safety *via* 
helmet use isn't actually working. At the end of the day, I reckon folks 
will choose to do the thing that gives them a greater sense of agency (like 
buying a big SUV to feel safer on the road, despite ostensibly higher risk 
of rollover and greater risk to others), but whether it actually makes 
things better may well be "in the noise." 

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 10:03:17 PM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:

>
>> I spent a number of years in the motorcycle safety world and saw enough 
>> to convince  me a helmet is a great idea for many activities. (Escpecially 
>> motorcycling.)
>
>
> But I want to add that this article on survivorship bias is a good one to 
> consider:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[David Ross]

I grew up riding motorcycles and I think it’s the reason I always wear a
helmet on my bicycle. I feel naked without one. I remember being in college
in the 90s and I was the only person on campus who wore a helmet.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:03 PM Eric Floden  wrote:

>
>> I spent a number of years in the motorcycle safety world and saw enough
>> to convince  me a helmet is a great idea for many activities. (Escpecially
>> motorcycling.)
>
>
> But I want to add that this article on survivorship bias is a good one to
> consider:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Eric Floden]

>
>
> I spent a number of years in the motorcycle safety world and saw enough to
> convince  me a helmet is a great idea for many activities. (Escpecially
> motorcycling.)


But I want to add that this article on survivorship bias is a good one to
consider:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Ted Fay]

Notes from personal experience. Your experience and views may be different.

Lived for 3 years in the southern Netherlands, and it's wonderful place to 
cycle both for transit and for exercise. When cycling for transportation 
(shopping, going out to dinner, etc.), yes, it is common to see people 
without helmets. Dedicated lanes, slower traffic overall (read - speed 
cameras work), and again dedicated bike lanes made car/bicycle less 
worrisome. Plus the cycling is low speed, figure 10-12 mph. 

However, when taking out the road bike for exercise, helmets were common. 
Nice lanes even outside of the major areas. Loved the path-side garbage 
nets, set up to have the cyclists toss their banana peels, etc. as they 
rode by. 

Back here in the US, I was on a dedicated path. No cars. Ran over a stick 
(apparently, as I remember nothing), which caught in my spokes, and I 
scorpioned. Fractured skull, and a  range of other fun things. If I was not 
wearing a  helmet, I'm not typing this today. Even with one, the long term 
impact of traumatic brain injury (TBI) is not small. 

Back on the bike, and using one of the top rated helmets from VA Tech 
(https://helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html). 

One can choose not to wear one. 

I'll be wearing mine. 

T

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 8:04:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> What I find most illuminating and encouraging about this discussion is 
> that it is such a wonderful example of civil discourse. On a topic that can 
> be quite polarizing because of each individual's experiences and emotional 
> investment, it is remarkable to see the conversation progress along 
> reasonable, respectful lines of inquiry and anecdote. Bravo to the members 
> of this forum! If only our society at large could be so...Rivish!
>
> On a side note, Edwin I did check out the Gene Hackman article and was 
> immediately dismayed by the headline: "Gene Hackman struck by car while 
> riding a bike." In fact, he was struck by *the careless driver *of said 
> car (unless the vehicle in question was an autonomous vehicle). Blaming the 
> accident on the car shifts responsibility from where it actually rests: the 
> driver. Careful drivers don't strike cyclists or pedestrians, and careful 
> people don't have accidents. At least, not when they're being careful.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the CA 
>> coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
>> horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
>> significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
>> investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
>> on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
>> sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
>> some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. I've 
>> seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
>> this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 
>>
>> If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
>> them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
>> kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to 
>> follow, but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what 
>> they require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main 
>> things:  1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of 
>> crash modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam 
>> material is about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be 
>> to properly cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, 
>> and they're being applied in football helmets, for example. But their 
>> applicability to cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, 
>> duration of activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 
>>
>> Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
>> wearing helmets is just as safe or safer than wearing one. Part of what I'm 
>> saying is that we get more of what I would call "safety theater" – much 
>> like "security theater" we've all experienced in airports – than actual 
>> safety. And the margins on the product are good enough as is! And it is 
>> against this backdrop that the thing irritating me the most about the 
>> helmet conversation is the collective admonishment that many (most?) 
>> cyclists – and celebrities like Gordon Ramsey – bring to the issue. It only 
>> worsen the victim-blaming that still plagues our culture. And, as many have 
>> already pointed out, it is the culture and customs 
>>  that are the biggest risk factors. 
>>
>> - Max "stop staring at your smartphone and pay attention" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[John Rinker]

What I find most illuminating and encouraging about this discussion is that 
it is such a wonderful example of civil discourse. On a topic that can be 
quite polarizing because of each individual's experiences and emotional 
investment, it is remarkable to see the conversation progress along 
reasonable, respectful lines of inquiry and anecdote. Bravo to the members 
of this forum! If only our society at large could be so...Rivish!

On a side note, Edwin I did check out the Gene Hackman article and was 
immediately dismayed by the headline: "Gene Hackman struck by car while 
riding a bike." In fact, he was struck by *the careless driver *of said car 
(unless the vehicle in question was an autonomous vehicle). Blaming the 
accident on the car shifts responsibility from where it actually rests: the 
driver. Careful drivers don't strike cyclists or pedestrians, and careful 
people don't have accidents. At least, not when they're being careful.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the CA 
> coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
> horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
> significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
> investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
> on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
> sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
> some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. I've 
> seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
> this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 
>
> If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
> them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
> kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to 
> follow, but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what 
> they require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main 
> things:  1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of 
> crash modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam 
> material is about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be 
> to properly cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, 
> and they're being applied in football helmets, for example. But their 
> applicability to cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, 
> duration of activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 
>
> Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
> wearing helmets is just as safe or safer than wearing one. Part of what I'm 
> saying is that we get more of what I would call "safety theater" – much 
> like "security theater" we've all experienced in airports – than actual 
> safety. And the margins on the product are good enough as is! And it is 
> against this backdrop that the thing irritating me the most about the 
> helmet conversation is the collective admonishment that many (most?) 
> cyclists – and celebrities like Gordon Ramsey – bring to the issue. It only 
> worsen the victim-blaming that still plagues our culture. And, as many have 
> already pointed out, it is the culture and customs 
>  that are the biggest risk factors. 
>
> - Max "stop staring at your smartphone and pay attention" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:07:35 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Good points, John.  But when I read one of Grant's blagh posts I often 
>> see a point/counterpoint narrative of what he feels "may" be a correct view 
>> vs. what the general biking industry tries to hawk as "the only correct 
>> view."  I neither agree nor disagree with most of his posts.  And, yes, 
>> there are crash survivors who probably only lived (or at least survived in 
>> a less than functionally cognitive state).  Personally, I came across a 
>> group of cyclists on an organized ride who were gathered around a young 
>> lady who had apparently been riding in a group and was either inadvertently 
>> or purposely been run off the road and into a mailbox post...and not an 
>> average mailbox post, but a railroad tie that people in rural areas often 
>> set in the ground to prevent mischievous adolescents from whacking them 
>> down for a "prank".  Her helmet lay on the ground split completely split in 
>> half and she was unconscious. I learned later that she died from a severe 
>> concussion.  Would a helmet with different design than the compacted foam 
>> have saved her life? Maybe not. There are different kinds of accidents with 
>> different kinds of injuries and outcomes.  But I'll stand by Grant's 
>> remarks if they are read carefully.  He's not saying that they don't 
>> completely prevent serious injuries, he's saying that 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Max S]

I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the CA 
coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. I've 
seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 

If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to follow, 
but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what they 
require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main things: 
 1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of crash 
modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam material is 
about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be to properly 
cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, and they're 
being applied in football helmets, for example. But their applicability to 
cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, duration of 
activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 

Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
wearing helmets is just as safe or safer than wearing one. Part of what I'm 
saying is that we get more of what I would call "safety theater" – much 
like "security theater" we've all experienced in airports – than actual 
safety. And the margins on the product are good enough as is! And it is 
against this backdrop that the thing irritating me the most about the 
helmet conversation is the collective admonishment that many (most?) 
cyclists – and celebrities like Gordon Ramsey – bring to the issue. It only 
worsen the victim-blaming that still plagues our culture. And, as many have 
already pointed out, it is the culture and customs 
 that are the biggest risk factors. 

- Max "stop staring at your smartphone and pay attention" in A2

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:07:35 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Good points, John.  But when I read one of Grant's blagh posts I often see 
> a point/counterpoint narrative of what he feels "may" be a correct view vs. 
> what the general biking industry tries to hawk as "the only correct view."  
> I neither agree nor disagree with most of his posts.  And, yes, there are 
> crash survivors who probably only lived (or at least survived in a less 
> than functionally cognitive state).  Personally, I came across a group of 
> cyclists on an organized ride who were gathered around a young lady who had 
> apparently been riding in a group and was either inadvertently or purposely 
> been run off the road and into a mailbox post...and not an average mailbox 
> post, but a railroad tie that people in rural areas often set in the ground 
> to prevent mischievous adolescents from whacking them down for a "prank".  
> Her helmet lay on the ground split completely split in half and she was 
> unconscious. I learned later that she died from a severe concussion.  Would 
> a helmet with different design than the compacted foam have saved her life? 
> Maybe not. There are different kinds of accidents with different kinds of 
> injuries and outcomes.  But I'll stand by Grant's remarks if they are read 
> carefully.  He's not saying that they don't completely prevent serious 
> injuries, he's saying that they're not constructed in a way that "could" 
> prevent more serious injuries because that can get by with the current 
> designs.  
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> George Schick wrote:  " Grant posted a lengthy article in his December, 
>> '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern helmets 
>> are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress during 
>> an impact,...it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests used to 
>> measure the integrity of each helmet..:"
>>
>> George, with all due respect,  this thread contains 2 to 3 instances of 
>> folks reporting the helmet *did it's jo*b, not including Gordo's 
>> crash..  And there are no instances where folks complained the helmet did 
>> *not* do it's job, despite what Paterson claims is incorrectly testing. 
>>
>> I read his Blahg when it came out & I was disturbed about his POV.  I 
>> think it shows his false logic about wearing a helmet,   It  is worthwhile 
>> only because it is a POV of an influential person.   
>>
>> Grant could be wrong, 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[George Schick]

Good points, John.  But when I read one of Grant's blagh posts I often see 
a point/counterpoint narrative of what he feels "may" be a correct view vs. 
what the general biking industry tries to hawk as "the only correct view."  
I neither agree nor disagree with most of his posts.  And, yes, there are 
crash survivors who probably only lived (or at least survived in a less 
than functionally cognitive state).  Personally, I came across a group of 
cyclists on an organized ride who were gathered around a young lady who had 
apparently been riding in a group and was either inadvertently or purposely 
been run off the road and into a mailbox post...and not an average mailbox 
post, but a railroad tie that people in rural areas often set in the ground 
to prevent mischievous adolescents from whacking them down for a "prank".  
Her helmet lay on the ground split completely split in half and she was 
unconscious. I learned later that she died from a severe concussion.  Would 
a helmet with different design than the compacted foam have saved her life? 
Maybe not. There are different kinds of accidents with different kinds of 
injuries and outcomes.  But I'll stand by Grant's remarks if they are read 
carefully.  He's not saying that they don't completely prevent serious 
injuries, he's saying that they're not constructed in a way that "could" 
prevent more serious injuries because that can get by with the current 
designs.  

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> George Schick wrote:  " Grant posted a lengthy article in his December, 
> '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern helmets 
> are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress during 
> an impact,...it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests used to 
> measure the integrity of each helmet..:"
>
> George, with all due respect,  this thread contains 2 to 3 instances of 
> folks reporting the helmet *did it's jo*b, not including Gordo's crash..  
> And there are no instances where folks complained the helmet did *not* do 
> it's job, despite what Paterson claims is incorrectly testing. 
>
> I read his Blahg when it came out & I was disturbed about his POV.  I 
> think it shows his false logic about wearing a helmet,   It  is worthwhile 
> only because it is a POV of an influential person.   
>
> Grant could be wrong, 
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown, NJ   
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:56:53 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> FWIW concerning this discussion, Grant posted a lengthy article in his 
>> December, '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern 
>> helmets are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress 
>> during an impact, than it did wearing vs. not wearing one.  At one time or 
>> another I've owned each of the helmets from the past that he highlights - 
>> Skid Lid, Kucharik "hair net," etc.  Whether you are pro or con helmet 
>> wearing while cycling, it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests 
>> used to measure the integrity of each helmet, how it does or doesn't do 
>> what it is supposed to do (or at least "hyped" to do), modifications made 
>> to existing models, and other things.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 4:27:36 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
>>> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
>>> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
>>> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
>>> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
>>> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
>>> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
>>> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
>>> safe Gx”
>>>  
>>> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
>>> 
>>> tiktok.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>>>
>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>
>>> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
>>> 
>>> youtube.com 
>>> 
>>>
>>

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['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

George Schick wrote:  " Grant posted a lengthy article in his December, '23 
Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern helmets are 
constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress during an 
impact,...it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests used to 
measure the integrity of each helmet..:"

George, with all due respect,  this thread contains 2 to 3 instances of 
folks reporting the helmet *did it's jo*b, not including Gordo's crash..  
And there are no instances where folks complained the helmet did *not* do 
it's job, despite what Paterson claims is incorrectly testing. 

I read his Blahg when it came out & I was disturbed about his POV.  I think 
it shows his false logic about wearing a helmet,   It  is worthwhile only 
because it is a POV of an influential person.   

Grant could be wrong, 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown, NJ   
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:56:53 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> FWIW concerning this discussion, Grant posted a lengthy article in his 
> December, '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern 
> helmets are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress 
> during an impact, than it did wearing vs. not wearing one.  At one time or 
> another I've owned each of the helmets from the past that he highlights - 
> Skid Lid, Kucharik "hair net," etc.  Whether you are pro or con helmet 
> wearing while cycling, it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests 
> used to measure the integrity of each helmet, how it does or doesn't do 
> what it is supposed to do (or at least "hyped" to do), modifications made 
> to existing models, and other things.
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 4:27:36 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> [image: 
>> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>>
>> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
>> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
>> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
>> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
>> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
>> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
>> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
>> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
>> safe Gx”
>>  
>> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
>> 
>> tiktok.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>>
>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>
>> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
>> 
>> youtube.com 
>> 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[George Schick]

FWIW concerning this discussion, Grant posted a lengthy article in his 
December, '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern 
helmets are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress 
during an impact, than it did wearing vs. not wearing one.  At one time or 
another I've owned each of the helmets from the past that he highlights - 
Skid Lid, Kucharik "hair net," etc.  Whether you are pro or con helmet 
wearing while cycling, it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests 
used to measure the integrity of each helmet, how it does or doesn't do 
what it is supposed to do (or at least "hyped" to do), modifications made 
to existing models, and other things.

On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 4:27:36 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> [image: 
> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>
> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
> safe Gx”
>  
> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
> 
> tiktok.com 
> 
> 
>
> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
> 
> youtube.com 
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Donzaemon]

I haven't read any studies on cycling injuries in the Netherlands, but I'm 
going to assume the low injury rate is due to a number of factors, 
including high quality bike infrastructure, traffic calming measures, and 
general positive attitude towards sharing spaces between the different 
modes of transport, particularly bike/ped. In contrast, most of the US is 
hostile to cyclists and pedestrians so if you're a cyclist, it's in your 
best interests to mitigate risks. 

-Don

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 8:23:54 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is a reasonable attitude toward helmet use. Apparently Dutch cyclists 
> don't use them by and large -- from what I've read, using a helmet would be 
> considered odd by most Dutch cyclists -- yet have among the lowest rate of 
> cycling head injuries in the world (if someone can recall the study more 
> clearly and give a link or the particulars, I'd be grateful). And of course 
> there is always Jobst Brandt.
>
> I too have read that statistically walking is more dangerous to your head 
> than cycling.
>
> Max S said of riding sans helmet "2) more drivers give me greater courtesy 
> / respect than before." Do others have this experience? Does anyone know 
> why this might be so? I haven't used a helmet for close to 25 years and I 
> can't say that I've noticed a difference in driver behavior. But I ride 
> very carefully which includes the (I think) right amount of self-assertion.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:21 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>
>> The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be 
>> binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking 
>> or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!
>>
>> I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on 
>> single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then 
>> what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not 
>> even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads? 
>> Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things 
>> happen, it is bad.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>>>
>>> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and 
>>> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my 
>>> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw 
>>> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia" 
>>> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of 
>>> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience 
>>> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of 
>>> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a 
>>> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I 
>>> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere 
>>> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis. 
>>>
>>> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar 
>>> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back 
>>> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a 
>>> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my 
>>> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain 
>>> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then, 
>>> I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one 
>>> on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night. 
>>>
>>> -tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on 
 city streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in 
 various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff, 
 anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15 
 and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half 
 hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some 
 costing 
 upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to 
 riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and 
 position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get 
 headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy / 
 respect than before. 

 - Max "living on the edge" in A2 

 On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.
>
> The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while 
> driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. 

Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Brian Turner]

I feel like the healthiest way to approach the helmet discussion - always -
is to simply discuss the various reasons why or why not folks personally
decide to use them. It's always better than asking "should you, or
shouldn't you?", and definitely better than discussing whether or not they
should be mandated or compulsory (something I personally would be staunchly
opposed to, even though I usually wear a helmet). Further, I find the
question of "why don't we wear them while driving, or walking outside" a
false equivalency, and really adds nothing to the conversation but a
certain undertone of scorn or mockery.

Like many things in life that tend to be controversial, your own personal
attitude is usually dictated by whether or not you've been adversely
affected by it. I never wore a helmet until one night in 2007 when my wife
was struck by a hit-and-run driver as we were pedaling home... not even
half a mile from our house. I was maybe 50 ft in front of her when she was
struck. She was wearing her helmet, I was not. The impact folded her back
wheel, ejected her from her bike, and caused her head to hit the curb, also
breaking her ankle in the process. Her head was fine, but her helmet was
split right up the back, as it did its job. First thing the cops asked us
when they arrived on the scene was, "why were you guys riding bikes at
night"? I wanted to punch him in the mouth for victim-blaming. We had
lights, and were riding well within our rights to the road. That whole
experience shook me, and still haunts my wife every time she hops on a bike.

I used to only wear my helmet when riding in traffic or in groups, but with
the proliferation of e-bikes and the number of lycra-clad time trialers
using shared use paths for training, or catching KOMs, I definitely grab
the helmet more and more these days... probably 98% of the time.

Plus, my wife gently reminds me every time I walk out the door to go hop on
the bike.

Brian
Lexington, KY

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> This is a reasonable attitude toward helmet use. Apparently Dutch cyclists
> don't use them by and large -- from what I've read, using a helmet would be
> considered odd by most Dutch cyclists -- yet have among the lowest rate of
> cycling head injuries in the world (if someone can recall the study more
> clearly and give a link or the particulars, I'd be grateful). And of course
> there is always Jobst Brandt.
>
> I too have read that statistically walking is more dangerous to your head
> than cycling.
>
> Max S said of riding sans helmet "2) more drivers give me greater courtesy
> / respect than before." Do others have this experience? Does anyone know
> why this might be so? I haven't used a helmet for close to 25 years and I
> can't say that I've noticed a difference in driver behavior. But I ride
> very carefully which includes the (I think) right amount of self-assertion.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:21 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>
>> The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be
>> binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking
>> or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!
>>
>> I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on
>> single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then
>> what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not
>> even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads?
>> Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things
>> happen, it is bad.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>>>
>>> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and
>>> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my
>>> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw
>>> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia"
>>> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of
>>> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience
>>> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of
>>> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a
>>> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I
>>> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere
>>> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis.
>>>
>>> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar
>>> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back
>>> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a
>>> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my
>>> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain
>>> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another 

Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Patrick Moore]

This is a reasonable attitude toward helmet use. Apparently Dutch cyclists
don't use them by and large -- from what I've read, using a helmet would be
considered odd by most Dutch cyclists -- yet have among the lowest rate of
cycling head injuries in the world (if someone can recall the study more
clearly and give a link or the particulars, I'd be grateful). And of course
there is always Jobst Brandt.

I too have read that statistically walking is more dangerous to your head
than cycling.

Max S said of riding sans helmet "2) more drivers give me greater courtesy
/ respect than before." Do others have this experience? Does anyone know
why this might be so? I haven't used a helmet for close to 25 years and I
can't say that I've noticed a difference in driver behavior. But I ride
very carefully which includes the (I think) right amount of self-assertion.



On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:21 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be
> binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking
> or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!
>
> I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on
> single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then
> what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not
> even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads?
> Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things
> happen, it is bad.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>>
>> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and
>> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my
>> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw
>> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia"
>> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of
>> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience
>> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of
>> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a
>> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I
>> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere
>> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis.
>>
>> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar
>> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back
>> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a
>> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my
>> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain
>> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then,
>> I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one
>> on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night.
>>
>> -tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on
>>> city streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in
>>> various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff,
>>> anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15
>>> and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half
>>> hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some costing
>>> upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to
>>> riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and
>>> position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get
>>> headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy /
>>> respect than before.
>>>
>>> - Max "living on the edge" in A2
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>>
 The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.

 The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while
 driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the
 home, slip & falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his
 head, had to go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a
 helmet. Wasn't cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet
 when I get up in the morning?

 I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only
 occasions I've crashed over the years.
 To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah,
 rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course.

 cheers -m

 On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> *TBI sorry all
>
> 

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Ted Durant]

I was a "wear a helmet when riding with others, but not when riding alone" 
guy until 10/30/22. Solo riding I didn't much worry about hitting the 
ground, but riding with others is much more likely to make that happen in 
my experience. And then I got taken to the ground by a hawk flying into my 
front wheel. I went down fast and hard and the momentum brought the side of 
my head onto the pavement with a convincing thwack. I was riding with my 
usual riding buddy and had, kind of at the last second, grabbed my helmet 
for that ride. It was that helmet's last ride, as it gave itself up to 
reduce the damage to my brain. It left its mark, though ... I still have a 
scar on my cheek where the helmet buckle tore the skin. Fair trade, I say. 
As my friend who was a bank CFO and is a cyclist said, "Huh, that wasn't on 
my risk inventory." Mine either, but now it is.

FWIW.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Edwin W]

The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be 
binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking 
or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!

I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on 
single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then 
what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not 
even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads? 
Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things 
happen, it is bad.

Edwin

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:

> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>
> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and 
> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my 
> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw 
> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia" 
> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of 
> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience 
> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of 
> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a 
> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I 
> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere 
> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis. 
>
> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar 
> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back 
> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a 
> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my 
> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain 
> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then, 
> I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one 
> on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night. 
>
> -tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on city 
>> streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in 
>> various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff, 
>> anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15 
>> and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half 
>> hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some costing 
>> upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to 
>> riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and 
>> position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get 
>> headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy / 
>> respect than before. 
>>
>> - Max "living on the edge" in A2 
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.
>>>
>>> The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while 
>>> driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the 
>>> home, slip & falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his 
>>> head, had to go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a 
>>> helmet. Wasn't cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet 
>>> when I get up in the morning? 
>>>
>>> I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only 
>>> occasions I've crashed over the years. 
>>> To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah, 
>>> rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course. 
>>>
>>> cheers -m
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>>>
 *TBI sorry all

 On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:27 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
> wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
> time. 
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to 
>> be safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at 
>> the wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology 
>> backing up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the 
>> mountain bike and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Purple potato indeed!
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>>>
>>>
>>>

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[tio ryan]

Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:

I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and 
spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my 
taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw 
a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia" 
and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of 
smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience 
would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of 
rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a 
Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I 
never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere 
other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis. 

12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar 
situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back 
of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a 
helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my 
forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain 
my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then, 
I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one 
on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night. 

-tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on city 
> streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in 
> various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff, 
> anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15 
> and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half 
> hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some costing 
> upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to 
> riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and 
> position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get 
> headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy / 
> respect than before. 
>
> - Max "living on the edge" in A2 
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.
>>
>> The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while 
>> driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the 
>> home, slip & falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his 
>> head, had to go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a 
>> helmet. Wasn't cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet 
>> when I get up in the morning? 
>>
>> I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only 
>> occasions I've crashed over the years. 
>> To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah, 
>> rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course. 
>>
>> cheers -m
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>>
>>> *TBI sorry all
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:27 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>>>
 I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
 wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
 time. 

 On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to be 
> safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at the 
> wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology 
> backing 
> up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the mountain bike 
> and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Purple potato indeed!
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Max S]

Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on city 
streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in 
various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff, 
anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15 
and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half 
hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some costing 
upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to 
riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and 
position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get 
headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy / 
respect than before. 

- Max "living on the edge" in A2 

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.
>
> The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while 
> driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the 
> home, slip & falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his 
> head, had to go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a 
> helmet. Wasn't cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet 
> when I get up in the morning? 
>
> I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only 
> occasions I've crashed over the years. 
> To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah, 
> rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course. 
>
> cheers -m
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>
>> *TBI sorry all
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:27 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>>
>>> I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
>>> wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
>>> time. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to be 
 safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at the 
 wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology backing 
 up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the mountain bike 
 and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
 On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> Purple potato indeed!
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Mathias Steiner]

The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.

The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while driving. 
Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the home, slip 
& falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his head, had to 
go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a helmet. Wasn't 
cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet when I get up 
in the morning? 

I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only 
occasions I've crashed over the years. 
To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah, 
rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course. 

cheers -m

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> *TBI sorry all
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:27 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>
>> I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
>> wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
>> time. 
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to be 
>>> safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at the 
>>> wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology backing 
>>> up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the mountain bike 
>>> and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
>>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 Purple potato indeed!

 https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash



 



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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Nick A.]

*TBI sorry all

On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:27 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
> wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
> time. 
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to be 
>> safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at the 
>> wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology backing 
>> up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the mountain bike 
>> and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Purple potato indeed!
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Nick A.]

I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
time. 

On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to be 
> safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at the 
> wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology backing 
> up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the mountain bike 
> and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Purple potato indeed!
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Andrew Turner]

$0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to be safe 
and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at the wrong 
time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology backing up 
riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the mountain bike and 
have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> Purple potato indeed!
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[aeroperf]

Purple potato indeed!
https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash





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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Brian Turner]

Yikes. Good PSA. I hesitate to get too impassioned in a helmet discussion, 
but this group seems like the kind of place where, by and large, helmet 
wearing while riding is celebrated - despite the historically indifferent 
attitude that flows from Walnut Creek HQ. I quite enjoy wearing my helmets, 
although I admit to going sans helmet on rare occasions if I am riding a 
lightly trafficked rail trail devoid of any and all motor vehicles or 
congested urban areas. These little reminders are always good to drive home 
the fact that so many things are beyond our control, as much as we'd like 
to think otherwise.

Brian
Lexington KY

On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 1:33:46 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Thanks for posting this.  Gordo is dead right on helmets.   He spoke from 
> the heart.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> [image: 
>> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>>
>> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
>> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
>> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
>> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
>> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
>> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
>> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
>> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
>> safe Gx”
>>  
>> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
>> 
>> tiktok.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>>
>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>
>> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
>> 
>> youtube.com 
>> 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for posting this.  Gordo is dead right on helmets.   He spoke from 
the heart.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> [image: 
> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>
> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
> safe Gx”
>  
> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
> 
> tiktok.com 
> 
> 
>
> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
> 
> youtube.com 
> 
>

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