[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-29 Thread i.e.
Thanks, everyone.  I appreciate it.

The Paul brakes look great and the bb lockring is a good tip--didn't
know there was such a thing.

I'm looking forward to riding freewheel again, but must admit that I
got hooked on riding fixed while I was living in Japan (a happy
accident and a long story).  It would be nice to be able to do both on
the beam.

Thanks again,

Isaac

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Angus
I also run my Quickbeam fixed with the stock rear hub and a BB
lockring, no problems.

I had the brake levers changed to Cane Creek prior to dellivery of the
bike (they work better with large hands IMHO).
I changed the brakes to Mafac cantilevers (similar geometry to Paul's
Neo-Retros).
I recently changed the crankset to an older Mavic model to reduced the
"Q" factor.

Angus

On Nov 29, 10:28 pm, "i.e."  wrote:
> Hello RBW owners,
>
> After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the
> Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that
> I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week!
>
> I've managed to score an orange QB frameset and I'm having the folks
> at Rivendell build it up for me.  I was planning to go with a stock
> build (I really like and want to honor the original concept), plus a
> front rack, basket, and fenders.  I do have a couple of questions to
> put to the group, though, before I go through with my plans:
>
> 1) Have any of you ridden with a fixed cog on flip side of the stock
> hub?  Is it safe without a lockring and with the quick release?  Have
> you experienced any slippage?  I wouldn't be doing any skid or skip
> stops with two brakes, but I would probably be doing some back-pedal
> braking when riding fixed.
>
> 2) Seeing as this a build-up project, I have the opportunity to tweak
> the stock build as much as I like (or can afford).  Is there anything
> you modified later that you wish had come on the stock bike?  Any tips
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance for any responses.  It's great to be able to join
> this group!
>
> i.e.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread dan gee
Re: fixed gear on a single speed hub - I would recommend using the
Rotafixa method (http://204.73.203.34/fisso/eng/schpignone.htm) to
tighten the cog down with before threading on the bottom bracket
lockring. It's an incredibly effective method of tightening - but make
sure you have a rag betwixt the chain and the bottom bracket shell to
save your paint (or use a frame that you don't care about as giant
chainwhip).

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread newenglandbike
I also have a Quickbeam and I'm using Tektro CR720 brakes-   I can't
recommend them enough!   Though they are slightly larger in the
lateral direction, they are shorter in the vertical direction than,
say, the Shimano cantis.However the geometry of these brakes seems
to make a huge positive difference in braking power.

On Nov 30, 8:34 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Welcome. Isaac --
> I am the proud owner of three Riv's and two lesser brands.  The Beam is the 
> bike I ride two to one over any of the others (but for my cheapo commuter 
> bike that I ride each day to the office).  I live in San Francisco, and I 
> really like climbing hills here and in Marin.  I actually have two QB crank 
> sets.  I own a stock set, and I have what I call my "touring set" that comes 
> with a 34/26 set of chain wheels.
>
> I also have two wheel sets. One with a 17 and 20 free wheel with meatier 
> trail tires, the "touring" set with a White Industries Duo 16/18 on main 
> side, a 22 free on the flip.
>
> I can't agree more with Angus and others about the beefier brakes.  That's my 
> next project and upgrade, probably with Tektro CR720s.
>
> I currently use the Nitto Mini Front rack and a bag, with a small saddle 
> bag.  I have also used a wire basket up front, and a rack in back with 
> panniers.  All or any combo seems to work quite well.  It's heavy, but I also 
> have mounted one of those tricky double kickstands.  I mounted it for use 
> with panniers, but find it so handy that I leave it on all the time now.  
> Really handy when changing up or down or over on the drive train, or for 
> simply parking.
>
> Enjoy the Quickbeam.  Great bike.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, i.e.  wrote:
>
> From: i.e. 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 10:57 PM
>
> Thanks, everyone.  I appreciate it.
>
> The Paul brakes look great and the bb lockring is a good tip--didn't
> know there was such a thing.
>
> I'm looking forward to riding freewheel again, but must admit that I
> got hooked on riding fixed while I was living in Japan (a happy
> accident and a long story).  It would be nice to be able to do both on
> the beam.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Isaac
>
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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Dave Craig
The single best upgrade to my QB is in the gearing. I'm running 36/32
upfront and a White Ind 16/19 in the back. This allows me to have the
stock gearing ratio (which is pretty versatile - I use it for rides in
the mountains and around town), but requires only one tooth of rear
axle movement when changing "gears." This gives me the benefit of
running a much tighter fender line than would otherwise be possible.

I have the shimano cantis (with salmon pads) on the bike, though I
find the braking to be less effective than the IRD brakes on my
Atlantis. I've tried many brands of canti's, including the pricey
Paul's, and the easiest set up with the best performance has so far
come from the IRD brakes.

Dave

On Nov 30, 7:41 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
> I also have a Quickbeam and I'm using Tektro CR720 brakes-   I can't
> recommend them enough!   Though they are slightly larger in the
> lateral direction, they are shorter in the vertical direction than,
> say, the Shimano cantis.    However the geometry of these brakes seems
> to make a huge positive difference in braking power.
>
> Thsnks for the recommendation.  I was undecided between the CR720s and  the 
> IRDs.  What lever are you using?  Handlebars?

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread newenglandbike
> Thsnks for the recommendation.  I was undecided between the CR720s and  the 
> IRDs.  What lever are you using?  Handlebars?

Well I haven't tried the IRDs, which may be good as well, so I can
only say the Tektros are great.   I have Shimano levers with tektro
cross levers, and I'm using 46cm Noodle bars.The Noodle bars are
very comfortable.


On Nov 30, 9:41 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
> I also have a Quickbeam and I'm using Tektro CR720 brakes-   I can't
> recommend them enough!   Though they are slightly larger in the
> lateral direction, they are shorter in the vertical direction than,
> say, the Shimano cantis.    However the geometry of these brakes seems
> to make a huge positive difference in braking power.
>
> Thsnks for the recommendation.  I was undecided between the CR720s and  the 
> IRDs.  What lever are you using?  Handlebars?

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Jim M.
Welcome! The QB is an incredibly versatile bike. Mine started with
moustache bars, morphed to cross bars and knobbies, and currently has
albatross bars, Schwalbe Fat Apples, and a Sackville saddle bag. I'm
thinking of putting drop bars back on it, and adding fenders and a
front rack. I run fixed on one side. I used a BB lockring and a little
Loctite and I've had no problems. I also have the stock Shimano
brakes. I find them a bit weak for my 220 lbs, especially on steeper
dirt hills. I have Paul Neo-retros on my Legolas, and that's what I
will probably put on the QB some day.

jim m
wc ca

On Nov 29, 8:28 pm, "i.e."  wrote:
> Hello RBW owners,
>
> After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the
> Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that
> I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week!
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Philip Williamson
The Quickbeam is great. I've had mine since the first day I could get
to Walnut Creek after they got the first batch.

brakes - I have the original brakes, but I switched the front "link
wire" for an old-style (shorter) straddle cable. It's almost resting
on the Nitto M12 mounting bracket, so wide-profile brakes would help
out there. I would like to get Tektro 720s, but it hasn't been an
issue. But now I've seen a set in green... :^)
bars - I'm running WTB Dirt Drop bars, and they are the perfect match
for the bike, I think. I wish I had more sets. The Midge bar is not
the same bar.
fixed - almost always fixed, no lockring, no problem. I don't use the
BB lockring, because it's just as easy for me to unscrew the cog with
the "lockring" on there or not, so I figure "why bother."

Primo upgrades - Surly "dingle" cog, Nitto M12 and basket. Fenders.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/2606762352/

 Philip

On Nov 30, 9:57 am, "Jim M."  wrote:
> Welcome! The QB is an incredibly versatile bike. Mine started with
> moustache bars, morphed to cross bars and knobbies, and currently has
> albatross bars, Schwalbe Fat Apples, and a Sackville saddle bag. I'm
> thinking of putting drop bars back on it, and adding fenders and a
> front rack. I run fixed on one side. I used a BB lockring and a little
> Loctite and I've had no problems. I also have the stock Shimano
> brakes. I find them a bit weak for my 220 lbs, especially on steeper
> dirt hills. I have Paul Neo-retros on my Legolas, and that's what I
> will probably put on the QB some day.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
> On Nov 29, 8:28 pm, "i.e."  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello RBW owners,
>
> > After several years of visits to RBW headquarters, drooling over the
> > Readers, and a couple of Riv-ish bike builds, I'm proud to say that
> > I'll be a Quickbeam owner by the end of the week!

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread newenglandbike


On Nov 30, 5:58 pm, Eric Daume  wrote:
> I'm surprised there's so much love for the CR720s here. I had these on my
> 'cross bike for two races, and they were terrible: lots of hand force for
> almost no stopping power (and yes, I had the straddle cable set pretty low).


That may have been your issue-   since the lever part of the CR720's
sticks out more horizontally than on other canti's I think they work
better with the straddle hanger at a higher position than with other
canti's.This is certainly true in my experience anyway.   I like
to have the straddle cable set up so that it makes about a 90 degree
angle to the brake arm when the pad touches the rim.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread i.e.
Thanks for the warm welcome and great information.

I just got back from Rivendell this evening.  Here's what I've decided
on so far, based on your recommendations and the input of the
Rivendell folk. I went with the CR720s for the brakes.  I also decided
to start off with noodle bars, the mini-front rack, and fenders.  I
was disappointed to discover that the medium Wald basket is a lot
smaller than I had imagined.  I'm hoping I can fit a large basket on
that mini-rack--has anyone tried this?  I also plan to fit a 14 tooth
track cog with a bb lock ring on the flip side of the stock hub.

So there it is, folks.  Thanks for the help.  I'll post pictures
sometime next week!

Isaac

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-12-01 Thread newenglandbike

Sounds like you're going to end up with a fantastic build.   About the
CR720's, you made and excellent choice IMO.here is a picture of
how high I have my straddle hanger set up on my QB.As you can see
it's pretty high.   But it seems to provide the greatest mechanical
advantage in that position, and the brakes feel *far* better than my
low-profile ones:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4136473729/in/set-72157622885539082/



On Nov 30, 10:48 pm, "i.e."  wrote:
> Thanks for the warm welcome and great information.
>
> I just got back from Rivendell this evening.  Here's what I've decided
> on so far, based on your recommendations and the input of the
> Rivendell folk. I went with the CR720s for the brakes.  I also decided
> to start off with noodle bars, the mini-front rack, and fenders.  I
> was disappointed to discover that the medium Wald basket is a lot
> smaller than I had imagined.  I'm hoping I can fit a large basket on
> that mini-rack--has anyone tried this?  I also plan to fit a 14 tooth
> track cog with a bb lock ring on the flip side of the stock hub.
>
> So there it is, folks.  Thanks for the help.  I'll post pictures
> sometime next week!
>
> Isaac

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[RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-12-01 Thread Esteban
I have some CR720s ready to go on the QB (my stock Shimanos are not
very effective)... but now some of you have my thinking returning to
Paul.  Better save up.

I've used a large basket on an M12 rack, which is smaller than the
Mini:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3391253194/in/set-72157615903804467/

It handled fine... but had some flex.  You have to be careful about
the fork turning around suddenly, 'cause that basket will hit your
downtube.

I've settled on a front rando bag for the QB to keep things simple:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4136584724/in/set-72157615903804467/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3413155305/in/set-72157615903804467/

I have a White Industries 17/19 with the stock 40/32 in front, and I
love it for flats and climbing. I'm tempted to put a 22 free on the
other side if I ever want to ride a century or double or tour on this
thing.  Either that or a 15t fixed cog.

I also have Albatross bars for the bike and have switched them out. I
prefer the noodles. Welcome!  The Quickbeam is one heck of a bike. Too
bad there'll be no more new ones.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Dec 1, 8:46 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> Sounds like you're going to end up with a fantastic build.   About the
> CR720's, you made and excellent choice IMO.    here is a picture of
> how high I have my straddle hanger set up on my QB.    As you can see
> it's pretty high.   But it seems to provide the greatest mechanical
> advantage in that position, and the brakes feel *far* better than my
> low-profile ones:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4136473729/in/set-721576228...
>
> On Nov 30, 10:48 pm, "i.e."  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for the warm welcome and great information.
>
> > I just got back from Rivendell this evening.  Here's what I've decided
> > on so far, based on your recommendations and the input of the
> > Rivendell folk. I went with the CR720s for the brakes.  I also decided
> > to start off with noodle bars, the mini-front rack, and fenders.  I
> > was disappointed to discover that the medium Wald basket is a lot
> > smaller than I had imagined.  I'm hoping I can fit a large basket on
> > that mini-rack--has anyone tried this?  I also plan to fit a 14 tooth
> > track cog with a bb lock ring on the flip side of the stock hub.
>
> > So there it is, folks.  Thanks for the help.  I'll post pictures
> > sometime next week!
>
> > Isaac

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Ray Shine
Welcome. Isaac --
I am the proud owner of three Riv's and two lesser brands.  The Beam is the 
bike I ride two to one over any of the others (but for my cheapo commuter bike 
that I ride each day to the office).  I live in San Francisco, and I really 
like climbing hills here and in Marin.  I actually have two QB crank sets.  I 
own a stock set, and I have what I call my "touring set" that comes with a 
34/26 set of chain wheels. 

I also have two wheel sets. One with a 17 and 20 free wheel with meatier trail 
tires, the "touring" set with a White Industries Duo 16/18 on main side, a 22 
free on the flip.

I can't agree more with Angus and others about the beefier brakes.  That's my 
next project and upgrade, probably with Tektro CR720s.

I currently use the Nitto Mini Front rack and a bag, with a small saddle bag.  
I have also used a wire basket up front, and a rack in back with panniers.  All 
or any combo seems to work quite well.  It's heavy, but I also have mounted one 
of those tricky double kickstands.  I mounted it for use with panniers, but 
find it so handy that I leave it on all the time now.  Really handy when 
changing up or down or over on the drive train, or for simply parking. 

Enjoy the Quickbeam.  Great bike.

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, i.e.  wrote:

From: i.e. 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 10:57 PM

Thanks, everyone.  I appreciate it.

The Paul brakes look great and the bb lockring is a good tip--didn't
know there was such a thing.

I'm looking forward to riding freewheel again, but must admit that I
got hooked on riding fixed while I was living in Japan (a happy
accident and a long story).  It would be nice to be able to do both on
the beam.

Thanks again,

Isaac

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Ray Shine


--- On Mon, 11/30/09, newenglandbike  wrote:


I also have a Quickbeam and I'm using Tektro CR720 brakes-   I can't
recommend them enough!   Though they are slightly larger in the
lateral direction, they are shorter in the vertical direction than,
say, the Shimano cantis.    However the geometry of these brakes seems
to make a huge positive difference in braking power.

Thsnks for the recommendation.  I was undecided between the CR720s and  the 
IRDs.  What lever are you using?  Handlebars?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Eric Daume
I'm surprised there's so much love for the CR720s here. I had these on my
'cross bike for two races, and they were terrible: lots of hand force for
almost no stopping power (and yes, I had the straddle cable set pretty low).
They may offer more mud clearance, but I think there's a reason mountain
bikes went away from these in the late 80s.

They were also quite a bit more fiddly to set up, again like old cantis were
with the bolted cable hangers.

I put the old Oryx brakes back on, and they were remarkably more powerful.

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:37 AM, newenglandbike wrote:

> I also have a Quickbeam and I'm using Tektro CR720 brakes-   I can't
> recommend them enough!   Though they are slightly larger in the
> lateral direction, they are shorter in the vertical direction than,
> say, the Shimano cantis.However the geometry of these brakes seems
> to make a huge positive difference in braking power.
>
> On Nov 30, 8:34 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't agree more with Angus and others about the beefier brakes.
> That's my next project and upgrade, probably with Tektro CR720s.
> >
> >
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I have a medium basket on my mini front rack on my QB, and it's surprisingly 
capacious (with or without the medium Shopsack, which I love for commuting).  
You might give it a try -- you could be surprised.  Re the large basket,  Keven 
at Riv had a large basket on his mini on his QB (see staff bike pictures under 
Bike Models on the Riv website for a picture), and he told me it was not 
stable. He suggested a Platrack to me if I wanted to have a Large basket, and I 
may yet try it, though I like the medium basket fine.

-Original Message-
From: i.e. [mailto:ien...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

Thanks for the warm welcome and great information.

I just got back from Rivendell this evening.  Here's what I've decided on so 
far, based on your recommendations and the input of the Rivendell folk. I went 
with the CR720s for the brakes.  I also decided to start off with noodle bars, 
the mini-front rack, and fenders.  I was disappointed to discover that the 
medium Wald basket is a lot smaller than I had imagined.  I'm hoping I can fit 
a large basket on that mini-rack--has anyone tried this?  I also plan to fit a 
14 tooth track cog with a bb lock ring on the flip side of the stock hub.

So there it is, folks.  Thanks for the help.  I'll post pictures sometime next 
week!

Isaac

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RE: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-11-30 Thread Ray Shine
Yep, I'll ditto the medium basket, as well.  I had one strapped to the front 
rack for a long time.  Very useful and handy, really.  I might go back to that 
set up one day.  I'm fickle when it comes to rigging a bike.  I love tweaking 
the mix.  Riv's are great for that, too.

RS

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Allingham II, Thomas J  
wrote:

From: Allingham II, Thomas J 
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)
To: "'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'" 
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 8:13 PM

I have a medium basket on my mini front rack on my QB, and it's surprisingly 
capacious (with or without the medium Shopsack, which I love for commuting).  
You might give it a try -- you could be surprised.  Re the large basket,  Keven 
at Riv had a large basket on his mini on his QB (see staff bike pictures under 
Bike Models on the Riv website for a picture), and he told me it was not 
stable. He suggested a Platrack to me if I wanted to have a Large basket, and I 
may yet try it, though I like the medium basket fine.

-Original Message-
From: i.e. [mailto:ien...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

Thanks for the warm welcome and great information.

I just got back from Rivendell this evening.  Here's what I've decided on so 
far, based on your recommendations and the input of the Rivendell folk. I went 
with the CR720s for the brakes.  I also decided to start off with noodle bars, 
the mini-front rack, and fenders.  I was disappointed to discover that the 
medium Wald basket is a lot smaller than I had imagined.  I'm hoping I can fit 
a large basket on that mini-rack--has anyone tried this?  I also plan to fit a 
14 tooth track cog with a bb lock ring on the flip side of the stock hub.

So there it is, folks.  Thanks for the help.  I'll post pictures sometime next 
week!

Isaac

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on building up a Quickbeam (+introduction)

2009-12-01 Thread Robert F. Harrison
That's what I was thinking when I put my money down on the last(?) 66cm
frame before Thanksgiving. I just called Riv and found that I'm fourth in
the build line and it should ship out by the end of this week or early next.
Yipee!

It'll have CR720's as well. I'm going with the White 16-19 and no-name 22 on
the flip side along with the stock 40/32 in front. It'll also have a Nitto
Top Rack in back, a Mini in front, and the two bolt seat post because I'm on
the heavier end of things. I'm starting with moustache bars because I really
like how they felt on a Bomba when I visited Riv last March.

I already have a large Sackville Saddlesack for the rear. I bought it to use
around town earlier this year and love it. However it never looked right on
the bike I was using at the time and my current about town bike wouldn't do
either. So clearly I had to buy a Riv to go under the bag.

I'll be riding it about town of course (Honolulu) and hopefully going on the
John B. Kelley Haleiwa Metric Century with it next year at the end of April.
[http://www.hbl.org/?q=node/221] I found a link to the route on MapMyRide
at http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/hi/honolulu/683418953

The distance isn't the issue (especially as it's flat), but rather the
timing. It looks like I'll be on the island (I have to travel a fair bit),
so all should be well. I can guarantee I won't be the fastest, but there's a
chance I'll be the most stylish. :-)

Aloha! Bob



On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Esteban  wrote:

> The Quickbeam is one heck of a bike. Too
> bad there'll be no more new ones.
>
> --
Robert Harrison
rfharri...@gmail.com
statrixblog.statrix.com

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