Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[masmojo]

As far as lever position goes, that would vary somewhat on the levers being 
used I guess. To me I position them so that when my hands are just back on the 
forward portion of the "flats" that my forefinger can just hook over the curve 
at the bottom of the brake lever. This insures that the brakes are accessible 
from most hand positions on the bar & works good regardless of lever model.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Matt B.]

I like OG mustaches because they are narrower.  I'm also most comfortable 
on 42cm Noodles for drop bars, the 44s feel just slightly too wide.  With 
original mustaches it's key to position the levers so the tips of the hoods 
are about ~12-12.5cm apart.


On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 11:07:56 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> Rode my XO-1 with Moustache bars for 20+ years and as much as I  loved 
> them, they were never perfect. I always wished they were a little wider & 
> the curve a little less dramatic  (especially close to the stem). The 
> Albastache solves both of these issirs, so to me it's about a close to 
> perfect as possible. My main challenge now is to not put them on every bike 
> I own. Personally, I  no longer have a use for the original moustache, so 
> complete is the refinement that it renders the original  obsolete.
> Not sure how that helps you on you application though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[masmojo]

Rode my XO-1 with Moustache bars for 20+ years and as much as I  loved them, 
they were never perfect. I always wished they were a little wider & the curve a 
little less dramatic  (especially close to the stem). The Albastache solves 
both of these issirs, so to me it's about a close to perfect as possible. My 
main challenge now is to not put them on every bike I own. Personally, I  no 
longer have a use for the original moustache, so complete is the refinement 
that it renders the original  obsolete.
Not sure how that helps you on you application though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Jeremy Tavan]

I have the Ahearne MAP bars on my Kogswell, combined with a long (120mm) 
stem. I find that it works beautifully with my shoulder/arm shape for a 
somewhat aggressive but very comfortable position on the grips, plus a nice 
second position on the forward curves that still allows access to the brake 
levers. I'm using comically-long 4-finger brake levers and it's super.

/Jeremy

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I have the wider version of the Jitensha bars, Ahearne Map bars - they're 
> only longer in the grip section - otherwise, the shape is identical.  
> After about 100mi, I had the bar rotation perfect for completely relaxed 
> hands, no matter long the ride.  Really like them.  
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 9:08:46 PM UTC-6, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,  FWIW, I just put Jitensha bars on an old Trek Elance 400 to 
>> make it a short run bike.  Like you,  I like that it's flat,  no rise. I 
>> like the sweep,  puts wrist in a natural position. Grip area has just 
>> enough room for city levers, not for Paul bar shifters.  
>>
>> Really like the position,  same level as top of drops,  just a bit of 
>> forward lean to get weight on sit bones.  There are bars w longer grip area 
>> but this was experimental,  not ready to drop a lot of cash on it.  
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bill
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Ron Mc]

ps - on my other bike I have moustache bars, and I'm a total fan, but they 
have to be set up right and you have to put your hands in the right places. 
 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 3:02:33 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I have the wider version of the Jitensha bars, Ahearne Map bars - they're 
> only longer in the grip section - otherwise, the shape is identical.  
> After about 100mi, I had the bar rotation perfect for completely relaxed 
> hands, no matter long the ride.  Really like them.  
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 9:08:46 PM UTC-6, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,  FWIW, I just put Jitensha bars on an old Trek Elance 400 to 
>> make it a short run bike.  Like you,  I like that it's flat,  no rise. I 
>> like the sweep,  puts wrist in a natural position. Grip area has just 
>> enough room for city levers, not for Paul bar shifters.  
>>
>> Really like the position,  same level as top of drops,  just a bit of 
>> forward lean to get weight on sit bones.  There are bars w longer grip area 
>> but this was experimental,  not ready to drop a lot of cash on it.  
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bill
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Ron Mc]

I have the wider version of the Jitensha bars, Ahearne Map bars - they're 
only longer in the grip section - otherwise, the shape is identical.  
After about 100mi, I had the bar rotation perfect for completely relaxed 
hands, no matter long the ride.  Really like them.  

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 9:08:46 PM UTC-6, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Patrick,  FWIW, I just put Jitensha bars on an old Trek Elance 400 to make 
> it a short run bike.  Like you,  I like that it's flat,  no rise. I like 
> the sweep,  puts wrist in a natural position. Grip area has just enough 
> room for city levers, not for Paul bar shifters.  
>
> Really like the position,  same level as top of drops,  just a bit of 
> forward lean to get weight on sit bones.  There are bars w longer grip area 
> but this was experimental,  not ready to drop a lot of cash on it.  
>
> Cheers
> Bill
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Bill. I'd be interested in seeing a photo of your stem/bar/brake
setup, if you care to post one.

The shape looks "natural" but I fear that, on the Dahon with its
extensionless bar mast, the Jitensha would sit too close to the bar and
thus hurt my hand more than less. I find that I need a certain reach to be
comfortable.

In fact, plan soon to install the extender made for Dahon masts to put the
M bar a bit further out. We'll see how that works.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Patrick,  FWIW, I just put Jitensha bars on an old Trek Elance 400 to make
> it a short run bike.  Like you,  I like that it's flat,  no rise. I like
> the sweep,  puts wrist in a natural position. Grip area has just enough
> room for city levers, not for Paul bar shifters.
>
> Really like the position,  same level as top of drops,  just a bit of
> forward lean to get weight on sit bones.  There are bars w longer grip area
> but this was experimental,  not ready to drop a lot of cash on it.
>
> Cheers
> Bill
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Patrick,  FWIW, I just put Jitensha bars on an old Trek Elance 400 to make it a 
short run bike.  Like you,  I like that it's flat,  no rise. I like the sweep,  
puts wrist in a natural position. Grip area has just enough room for city 
levers, not for Paul bar shifters.  

Really like the position,  same level as top of drops,  just a bit of forward 
lean to get weight on sit bones.  There are bars w longer grip area but this 
was experimental,  not ready to drop a lot of cash on it.  

Cheers
Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Patrick,  FWIW, I just put Jitensha bars on an old Trek Elance 400 to make it a 
short run bike.  Like you,  I like that it's flat,  no rise. I like the sweep,  
puts wrist in a natural position. Grip area has just enough room for city 
levers, not for Paul bar shifters.  

Really like the position,  same level as top of drops,  just a bit of forward 
lean to get weight on sit bones.  There are bars w longer grip area but this 
was experimental,  not ready to drop a lot of cash on it.  

Cheers
Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, assuming your steering mast folds to the outside of the frame (I'm 
pretty sure yours does) you'll have the same fold, but the dropbar will create 
a wider folded package at the base. It'll be an issue with stuffing it into 
really cramped spaces, but if you mainly use the fold as a space saver in the 
house, it won't be a major difference. In that situation I sometimes leave the 
mast up anyway, and just fold the frame in half. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the offer and for the suggestion. Bar ends and trekking bars all
share the same feature: the forward position is also the wide position, and
these bars are always too wide for my comfort.

Back 20 years ago, when I had real mountain bikes, I'd cut 50 mm off each
end of my bar before installing the bar ends. Then I switched to drop bars.

I think that I'll scare up a drop bar and try that, both with and without
this extension thingie I recently got from JB on this list. If they don't
complicate folding too much, then voila. If they do, then too bad. Of all
the many, many alternatives to the drop bar that I've ridden, the M bar is
one of the least bad -- for my idiosyncracies, of course.

Isn't it interesting how the drop bar is one of the oldest styles
continually available throughout its history? There's gotta be a reason.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One last bit...
>
> How about some good ole fashioned straight mountain bars and maybe bar
> ends? I have straight bars on my Brompton and love it.
>
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

One last bit... 

How about some good ole fashioned straight mountain bars and maybe bar ends? I 
have straight bars on my Brompton and love it. 

Chris 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

No worries. I only remember bc you are in Albu and a friend is a doctor at UNM. 

The trekking style bars could be an option (as suggested). I've always found 
them a little awkward with the higher part further away from you and the lower 
part closer. I always felt like I was steering a car more than riding a bike. 
That said, I used them on several 500+ multi-day, unsupported tours. I have a 
pair in the bin if you are interested-- I believe they are Nashbar.

Cheers!
Chris 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Good points. I *think* that the effective or "virtual" top tube is not too
much shorter than the 56-57 that I like, but of course there is no stem
extension (tho' I've yet to install a new to me device that sits between
steerer mast clamp and bar, and provides another 7-8 cm of extension).

I've thought, if not of a trekking bar, of a narrow AT 2/3/4, but even with
these, and certainly with trekking bars, as far as I can tell, the
extension comes at the wide part of the bar; I like bars that are narrow in
the hoods or equivalent position.

I suppose I should just stop nattering about this and either try some drops
or just ride as is.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Garth  wrote:

> I would only add that an Albatross type bar with a long top tube and long
> stem is different than bike with shorter TT . Plus mtb brake levers inhibit
> hand position variety, inverted ones do not. Also the curve on the 55 Alba
> is different than the original 56, I have both and on top of each other you
> can tell.  Most people choose it for upright riding but that depends on the
> frame, you can ride long and low with them but it takes a certain frame to
> do so.  Anyways, I take it the Solo is a short TT bike so of course such a
> bar would not be ideal for the extension you prefer.  The Albastache may
> work "better" but how much who knows.
>
>What about road TT bars ?  Or those touring butterfly type bars , you
> could chop off any unwanted parts ?  The kind that extend out , look at all
> the types at SJS for example ...https://www.sjscycles.co.
> uk/handlebars-other/?geoc=US
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:16:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Christopher. I (very briefly) tried M bars upside down, and they
>> just didn't work; notably, the brake (road style) levers just didn't fit
>> properly.
>>
>> I haven't had much luck with any "North Road"-type bar, either upright or
>> inverted. Upright I can never get my body comfortable; inverted, that is,
>> rather low and extended, they hurt my left palm. The M bar is the best
>> "sweep-back" bar I've used, and it is marginally acceptable.
>>
>> How did you like your Solo?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Christopher Murray > > wrote:
>>
>>> How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try.
>>>
>>> I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem
>>> like they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it).
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Garth]

I would only add that an Albatross type bar with a long top tube and long 
stem is different than bike with shorter TT . Plus mtb brake levers inhibit 
hand position variety, inverted ones do not. Also the curve on the 55 Alba 
is different than the original 56, I have both and on top of each other you 
can tell.  Most people choose it for upright riding but that depends on the 
frame, you can ride long and low with them but it takes a certain frame to 
do so.  Anyways, I take it the Solo is a short TT bike so of course such a 
bar would not be ideal for the extension you prefer.  The Albastache may 
work "better" but how much who knows.  

   What about road TT bars ?  Or those touring butterfly type bars , you 
could chop off any unwanted parts ?  The kind that extend out , look at all 
the types at SJS for example 
...https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/handlebars-other/?geoc=US




On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:16:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, Christopher. I (very briefly) tried M bars upside down, and they 
> just didn't work; notably, the brake (road style) levers just didn't fit 
> properly.
>
> I haven't had much luck with any "North Road"-type bar, either upright or 
> inverted. Upright I can never get my body comfortable; inverted, that is, 
> rather low and extended, they hurt my left palm. The M bar is the best 
> "sweep-back" bar I've used, and it is marginally acceptable.
>
> How did you like your Solo?
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Christopher Murray  > wrote:
>
>> How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try.
>>
>> I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem 
>> like they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it).
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Chris
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

 umm: was it you from whom I bought mine?

(Squirm, squirm, blush.)

Patrick "short term memory shot" Moore

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> I loved the look of the Solo and bought it on a whim for a good price.
> Never really rode it, moved it around the country with me before finally
> finding it a good home in NM ;).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

I loved the look of the Solo and bought it on a whim for a good price. Never 
really rode it, moved it around the country with me before finally finding it a 
good home in NM ;).

Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Christopher. I (very briefly) tried M bars upside down, and they
just didn't work; notably, the brake (road style) levers just didn't fit
properly.

I haven't had much luck with any "North Road"-type bar, either upright or
inverted. Upright I can never get my body comfortable; inverted, that is,
rather low and extended, they hurt my left palm. The M bar is the best
"sweep-back" bar I've used, and it is marginally acceptable.

How did you like your Solo?

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> How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try.
>
> I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem
> like they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it).
>
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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try. 

I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem like 
they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it). 

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. I missed the comparo photo on the Riv site.

Well, since such comfort as I find on the original M bar is riding the
hoods just inside of the curves, the A would give me a slightly wider
stance, which is a plus, but the curves and the drop look pretty much the
same, which is a minus. I guess what I'll do is scavenge a cheap drop bar
and try it first, to see how well the H Solo folds with it. If that works,
all well; if not, back to the search.

At least the M bar is more comfortable than the aggressive Ritchey
bullhorns it replaced.

The Deacon's experience would weigh heavily on the "yes, try it!" side, but
still, those curves ...

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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[drew]

i had og mustache on one bike, sold that bike and then put albastache on my 
hunq. cant say i noticed much difference, but there are so many other 
factors at play in my experience. i love the bars and resist putting them 
on all my bikes.  i will offer that i think position and stem length are 
important with either bar, similarly to drops. i had gotten used to upright 
sweepy back bars feeling fine on just about any stem/height/angle, and 
learned that stached ones need more a more refined fit. 

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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Patrick

Pretty decent visual highlighting the difference here:

h
ttps://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars-stems/products/nitto-albastache-new-moustache-bar-26-0-16244
  


Gives you some idea, hopefully

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 11:39:46 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> For the Dahon Hon Solo, which is a folder, on which a drop bar would make 
> folding awkward, I think. (If anyone knows otherwise, please advise.) It 
> presently has the original road model Moustache bar, which is better than a 
> flat bar, but it still hurts my left hand very quickly.
>
> How is the Albastache shape different from that of the original Moustache, 
> and in y'all's experience, is it more comfortable than the original M?
>
> And: what is the width at the middle of the curves? The Moustache measures 
> about 40 cm here, and 52 at the ends. I know that the A measures 55 at the 
> ends. 
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Deacon Patrick]

For me the Mustache is an hour bar , the New Moustache (aka Albastache) an 
all day, day in day out bar. Why? Wider and less aggressive. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 10:39:46 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> For the Dahon Hon Solo, which is a folder, on which a drop bar would make 
> folding awkward, I think. (If anyone knows otherwise, please advise.) It 
> presently has the original road model Moustache bar, which is better than a 
> flat bar, but it still hurts my left hand very quickly.
>
> How is the Albastache shape different from that of the original Moustache, 
> and in y'all's experience, is it more comfortable than the original M?
>
> And: what is the width at the middle of the curves? The Moustache measures 
> about 40 cm here, and 52 at the ends. I know that the A measures 55 at the 
> ends. 
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
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> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
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>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
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