Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Christopher Murray]

One of the most surprising things about doing bicycle tours is seeing the bikes 
others are touring on. So few people are on anything even resembling a proper 
touring bike. I've seen quite a few sub-$100 bikes headed one way or another 
across our great country. And everyone seems to be having a great time. 

I wouldn't hesitate to tour on any Riv- including/especially a Cheviot. Go ride 
your bike, have a blast, fix things if they break (they probably won't). 

And post lots of pictures for us to share!

Cheers! 
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Ray Varella]

I've had a couple bikes that I used clamp on water bottle cages on. 
They used to come with clamps that looked very similar to cable guide clamps 
but had a little dimple instead of a channel. 

I used them from the early 70s up through the late 90s. 
They were the only thing I used when frames lacked water bottle braze-ons and I 
used them to supplement a bike that only had one set of h2o bosses. 
I ever had an issue with them moving and if you put a thin layer of tape under 
them, they won't mar your finish. 


Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Wayne Naha]

Takashi,
Those are some gorgeous photographs!  Looks like everyone had a great time.

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 6:59:27 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Les Lammers]

I have one of these for my Chevoit,  
https://www.topeak.com/global/en/products/accessories/332-cagemount 
 
On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 7:58:35 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>
>
>
> On 02/24/2017 10:27 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> FWIW, I tried a 2-fish, velcro, strap-on cage on the down tube of my '99 
> Joe Starck custom gofast, for which I had foolishly told Grant to limit 
> cage braze ons to the dt. (Grant: you were right, both for the st braze ons 
> and for the sub-73* seat tube angles. But don't tell anyone I acknowledged 
> this.) 
>
> Moving on: it works, after a fashion, but it also swivels at the slightest 
> touch. I found that it would swivel far enough from straight line-ahead 
> that my eagerly pumping legs would brush it, much to my annoyance, as I 
> sturdily rode along.
>
>
> Obviously not an issue for a back-of-the-seat-tube mount, like on my 
> Moulton.
>
>
> As alternative, I tried various bar-mount bottle cage attachment gizmos. 
> They work well -- except that, with Riv geometry, the added weight of a 28 
> oz bottle makes the front wheel flop more than I can comfortably tolerate.
>
> I found a better solution to carrying water was to attach a Carradice -- 
> can't remember the name; it's the smallest one -- to the saddle, and put a 
> quart bottle inside. Even better, I got D Banzer to make me a nice custom 
> seat pack, that attaches elegantly to the rails of my Flite, that has a 
> pocket for a 28oz bottle. Wala.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:
>>
>> imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness is its 
>> solitary bottle cage. 
>>
>>
>> Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here?   My AM Moulton 
>> has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat tube, and I have 
>> one of these two fish units on the back of the seat tube as well.
>>
>>
>> [image: Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder]
>>
>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[dougP]

Click around those photos.  There's a kid wearing a Rivendell cap. Looks 
like a family camping across eastern Oregon.  He's riding a tandem with a 
kid tag-a-long.  2 small kids & plenty of luggage.  Large tent plus all the 
comforts of home.  One shot shows a barn with the name "Shaniko" on it.  
I've ridden around there.  Awesome country.  High desert with trees at the 
higher elevations.  Just the job for Betty, it looks like.  

dougP

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:29:28 AM UTC-8, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Check out this gal on a betty foye.  Fully loaded on a dirt road!!
>
> https://flic.kr/p/wx88uY
> https://flic.kr/p/wP3bEy
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Scott McLain]

Check out this gal on a betty foye.  Fully loaded on a dirt road!!

https://flic.kr/p/wx88uY
https://flic.kr/p/wP3bEy


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[RichS]

Thanks for this link Takashi. Delicious!!! If the images of these three 
Rivs don't get your adrenaline going for an overnighter or a multi-day tour 
then I don't know what will.

Regards,
Richard

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 6:59:27 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>
> Takashi
>
>
> Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> I was daydreaming the other day, an amazingly glorious day for the 
>> midwest in February, riding my Cheviot.  I could not help but smile as 
>> riding along was the most fun and peaceful thing I had done in awhile.  The 
>> idea that the world would be a much better and happier place if people rode 
>> their bikes more and drove their cars less seemed pretty obvious.
>>
>> Anyway, part of my daydream, sounding outlandish now but not so much 
>> then, was wondering what it would be like to go on a real tour on the 
>> Cheviot.  I searched CGOAB but no journals or reports found.  I also cannot 
>> remember anyone here telling many stories of Cheviot touring or longer 
>> distance travels though I certainly could have missed things.
>>
>> So, just because... Can anyone point me to stories, journals, pictures, 
>> etc. of people touring on a Cheviot or similar bike?  Clem L's 
>> (Clementines) would certainly be in there, and other mixte type of frames. 
>>  It would be interesting to hear of such things, noting either the big 
>> smiles or the wide, possibly concerned, eyes of the riders...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>> P.S.  I do realize the Cheviot (specifically) does not have the same load 
>> carrying capacity as, say, a Hillborne, Appaloosa, or certainly a 
>> Hunqapillar.  Still, reality must be put aside at times, if just for 
>> awhile.  Can be a long while though... 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

You'd be surprised by how many bikes/customers roll into the shop and 
say..."yeah, I went cross country on this bike"  I look at the bike and 
think man you must have been miserable!!  But instead I say "AWESOME!"

Point being, like many have said, you can do a lot with a little.  The Chev 
platform is highly capable and a lighter tour will be all the more fun.

Someone already suggested it but check out the King Cage universal support 
bolts, they'll stay put.  You also have saddle mount cages and handlebar 
mount cages as an option.  AND I can recall throwing some water bottles in 
my saddle bag or front bag on several S240s because I was too lazy to throw 
on cages before leaving.  I usually stop to drink and take a breather 
anyway, what's the rush, right?  Make sure you share your story once you 
go!  Some of us will be living vicariously through you when we're stuck at 
home base :-)

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 8:33:07 AM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Hello Takashi - and thank you for sending the link!  
>
> Looking over and reading about their trip has been a great way to start my 
> day.  It snowed a bit here overnight but now the sun is shining, the quick 
> change a sure sign  spring is closer than it was.
>
> I really like the way their bikes were set-up, and I certainly enjoyed the 
> beautiful areas they were riding.  I do so need to see an ocean soon...
>
> Out of curiosity, can someone with more knowledge of Nitto racks confirm 
> that the Cheviot in the journal is using a Campee 27f front rack (or 
> possibly an F20, 26" version)?  I really like low rider pannier mounts but 
> I have never thought it very do-able on the Cheviot.  I stand corrected! 
>  It looks perfect.
>
> Thanks again for posting this,
>
> Bob
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 5:59:27 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
>> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
>> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[KC]

It is too bad the Cheviot only has 1 bottle holder but it's not like you need 2 
bottles at once. We headed off this week for a (great) day ride with Doug P and 
his wife Melanie.  Because we left early, I had a huge bottle of coffee tucked 
in with my load on the back and my water bottle on the bike. I'm sure I could 
do the same if loaded up and figure out a 3rd if needed. I too am dreaming of a 
short tour on my Cheviot (bought the tent last year so I have a start). Talk to 
Will at Riv hq. I'm sure he would have some great input.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Garth]

 While I could go on a rant here about selling a "do it all" high end bike 
in the year 2017 with only bottle cage, it is as it is for now and so 
what so if you're gonna have just one cage you may as well maximize 
it's capacity. That's about a 1.5L bottle.  The best one I have seen is the 
BBB XL Fueltank, as it clamps around the top of the bottle, something the 
Topeak one does not.  If you're gonna use that one make sure to strap it 
down.  A bike frame is well suited to carry heavy things like water and 
that's why permanent mounts are so worthwhile.

But again none of that can limit you. I remember touring as a teenager 
with but one "regular" bottle, and that's all there was back thenand I 
didn't think twice about it. I do have fond memories of stopping in a local 
mom & pop store in a tiny Minnesota town and in their solitary sales fridge 
were ice cold *glass bottles* of Gatorade(everything tastes better from a 
glass bottle!!!). damm . . . I can still feel it going down today !  Of 
course I was not riding across vast distances with no services/water, but 
still, when you're a kid going even 20 miles can be pretty darn vast. If I 
had been carrying everything I needed on the bike I would have never 
stopped at that place and had a most memorable drink of my life. so 
there 'ya go.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hello Takashi - and thank you for sending the link!  

Looking over and reading about their trip has been a great way to start my 
day.  It snowed a bit here overnight but now the sun is shining, the quick 
change a sure sign  spring is closer than it was.

I really like the way their bikes were set-up, and I certainly enjoyed the 
beautiful areas they were riding.  I do so need to see an ocean soon...

Out of curiosity, can someone with more knowledge of Nitto racks confirm 
that the Cheviot in the journal is using a Campee 27f front rack (or 
possibly an F20, 26" version)?  I really like low rider pannier mounts but 
I have never thought it very do-able on the Cheviot.  I stand corrected! 
 It looks perfect.

Thanks again for posting this,

Bob

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 5:59:27 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>
> There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
> A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
> https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/24/2017 10:27 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
FWIW, I tried a 2-fish, velcro, strap-on cage on the down tube of my 
'99 Joe Starck custom gofast, for which I had foolishly told Grant to 
limit cage braze ons to the dt. (Grant: you were right, both for the 
st braze ons and for the sub-73* seat tube angles. But don't tell 
anyone I acknowledged this.)


Moving on: it works, after a fashion, but it also swivels at the 
slightest touch. I found that it would swivel far enough from straight 
line-ahead that my eagerly pumping legs would brush it, much to my 
annoyance, as I sturdily rode along.




Obviously not an issue for a back-of-the-seat-tube mount, like on my 
Moulton.



As alternative, I tried various bar-mount bottle cage attachment 
gizmos. They work well -- except that, with Riv geometry, the added 
weight of a 28 oz bottle makes the front wheel flop more than I can 
comfortably tolerate.


I found a better solution to carrying water was to attach a Carradice 
-- can't remember the name; it's the smallest one -- to the saddle, 
and put a quart bottle inside. Even better, I got D Banzer to make me 
a nice custom seat pack, that attaches elegantly to the rails of my 
Flite, that has a pocket for a 28oz bottle. Wala.


On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:




On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:

imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness
is its solitary bottle cage.


Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here? My AM
Moulton has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat
tube, and I have one of these two fish units on the back of the
seat tube as well.


Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder




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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Takashi]

There was a post in Blue Lug Blog.
A one-night camp, one of them riding Cheviot.
https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/swift-campout-2016/

Takashi


Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I was daydreaming the other day, an amazingly glorious day for the midwest 
> in February, riding my Cheviot.  I could not help but smile as riding along 
> was the most fun and peaceful thing I had done in awhile.  The idea that 
> the world would be a much better and happier place if people rode their 
> bikes more and drove their cars less seemed pretty obvious.
>
> Anyway, part of my daydream, sounding outlandish now but not so much then, 
> was wondering what it would be like to go on a real tour on the Cheviot.  I 
> searched CGOAB but no journals or reports found.  I also cannot remember 
> anyone here telling many stories of Cheviot touring or longer distance 
> travels though I certainly could have missed things.
>
> So, just because... Can anyone point me to stories, journals, pictures, 
> etc. of people touring on a Cheviot or similar bike?  Clem L's 
> (Clementines) would certainly be in there, and other mixte type of frames. 
>  It would be interesting to hear of such things, noting either the big 
> smiles or the wide, possibly concerned, eyes of the riders...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
> P.S.  I do realize the Cheviot (specifically) does not have the same load 
> carrying capacity as, say, a Hillborne, Appaloosa, or certainly a 
> Hunqapillar.  Still, reality must be put aside at times, if just for 
> awhile.  Can be a long while though... 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Knowing there were more important things to do, and not necessarily in 
Cheviot touring mode, it still did not stop me from looking over this the 
other night:

http://www.cyclingabout.com/cargo-cages-anything-cages-oversized-bottle-cages/

I would like it if the Cheviot had more mount points, but at least there 
seem to be a few options to lessen the pain. 
 

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 9:16:11 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:
>
> imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness is its 
> solitary bottle cage. 
>
>
> Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here?   My AM Moulton 
> has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat tube, and I have 
> one of these two fish units on the back of the seat tube as well.
>
>
> [image: Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder]
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've had the same swivel experience with the Two-fish, on bikes with zero 
wbcbos. The strap is also very long. I know, I could cut it. The old style 
metal band mounts that VO now carries work pretty well, though they don't 
work with all cage designs. I have been contemplating Riv nuts on one or 
two old frames. Anybody try that? (Though probably not on a Cheviut.)

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 10:27:49 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> FWIW, I tried a 2-fish, velcro, strap-on cage on the down tube of my '99 
> Joe Starck custom gofast, for which I had foolishly told Grant to limit 
> cage braze ons to the dt. (Grant: you were right, both for the st braze ons 
> and for the sub-73* seat tube angles. But don't tell anyone I acknowledged 
> this.)
>
> Moving on: it works, after a fashion, but it also swivels at the slightest 
> touch. I found that it would swivel far enough from straight line-ahead 
> that my eagerly pumping legs would brush it, much to my annoyance, as I 
> sturdily rode along.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Now we're talking!  Very cool and thanks for the sending...  The trailer 
idea is a good one as well.

I love that answer, especially about bikes... "Because I can."

Thanks!

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 9:22:18 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> https://www.ahearnecycles.com/blog/2011/1/20/off-road-touring-mixte.html
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/61565718@N05/12844468614
>
> I think a mixte would be an ideal touring bike.  Don't forget you can 
> always pull a bob trailer, too.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, I tried a 2-fish, velcro, strap-on cage on the down tube of my '99
Joe Starck custom gofast, for which I had foolishly told Grant to limit
cage braze ons to the dt. (Grant: you were right, both for the st braze ons
and for the sub-73* seat tube angles. But don't tell anyone I acknowledged
this.)

Moving on: it works, after a fashion, but it also swivels at the slightest
touch. I found that it would swivel far enough from straight line-ahead
that my eagerly pumping legs would brush it, much to my annoyance, as I
sturdily rode along.

As alternative, I tried various bar-mount bottle cage attachment gizmos.
They work well -- except that, with Riv geometry, the added weight of a 28
oz bottle makes the front wheel flop more than I can comfortably tolerate.

I found a better solution to carrying water was to attach a Carradice --
can't remember the name; it's the smallest one -- to the saddle, and put a
quart bottle inside. Even better, I got D Banzer to make me a nice custom
seat pack, that attaches elegantly to the rails of my Flite, that has a
pocket for a 28oz bottle. Wala.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:
>
> imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness is its
> solitary bottle cage.
>
>
> Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here?   My AM Moulton
> has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat tube, and I have
> one of these two fish units on the back of the seat tube as well.
>
>
> [image: Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder]
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:
imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness is 
its solitary bottle cage.


Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here?   My AM Moulton 
has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat tube, and I have 
one of these two fish units on the back of the seat tube as well.



Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder



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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Completely understood and agreed...!

I read travel journals and look at pictures on CGOAB and know from those, 
even in this modern day, people are having incredible adventures on just 
about anything, and I do not say that in any way judgmental regarding their 
bikes.  I stand in awe!  And as I sit reading, they are out doing... a 
lesson not to be taken lightly or ignored.

I was looking again through some older "magazines" that I have, through 
they are not magazines... They are the "Fellowship News" put out from an 
offshoot of the CTC in the UK - the FCOT, the "Fellowship of Cycling Old 
Timers".  There are stories from people who have biked and toured most of 
their lives, throwing together minimal gear, maybe some bread and wine, and 
heading out for a journey, be that close or a few countries away.  And 
those journeys were not necessarily on fancy bikes, not in the least.  The 
Raleigh or whatever would do just fine.  It was, indeed, the journey, the 
adventure and the living that mattered.

I have at least a couple of true touring bikes, not that they have been on 
worthy journeys lately, but I had to laugh and think of the FCOT "old 
timers" when I was riding the Cheviot that day.  I may not be as 
accomplished or as bold, but at least I am wise enough to aspire and 
hopefully, one day, do...

Bob


On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Nah, it's not about the bike Bob !  People have toured on all sorts of 
> bikes, many not labeled as "touring" at all.  All those classifications of 
> bikes and frames are meant to assist buyers in their choice, but they are 
> not limits by any means.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Austin ^]

imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness is its 
solitary bottle cage. I like having three water bottles full when I'm 
spending all day on my bike, sometimes a camelbak in addition to that 
depending on refill opportunities. That said I certainly took my cheviot on 
some 80ish mile days and overnights, fully loaded, and it never gave me any 
complaints. If I were setting it up for a tour I would personally lean 
towards drop bars but that's just my preference. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Garth]

Nah, it's not about the bike Bob !  People have toured on all sorts of 
bikes, many not labeled as "touring" at all.  All those classifications of 
bikes and frames are meant to assist buyers in their choice, but they are 
not limits by any means.  

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[drew]

thats an interesting pic. i wonder what weight limit constitutes "road 
tour" (or mtn tour for that matter). with the lower rider weight limit and 
higher load capacity of the cheviot to the hillborne, i assume it kind of 
evens out. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Bob Lovejoy]

My comment on load capacity came from this, something I had bookmarked 
awhile ago...

http://imgur.com/UPvCmy0

I will say they use "tour" in the description!  That said, the suggested 
rider weight limit is lower than some of the other bikes.  It could be that 
a front and/or rear load would not be quite as much of a concern, not being 
quite as supported by the main triangle (or lack of) and all.

Still, a light load would certainly make the ride more fun - and I admit it 
would be with the idea of fun - and adventure - but fun nevertheless...

Bob


On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 2:49:49 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> i thought the cheviot could handle as much as a sam. im pretty sure i read 
> that somewhere. i second doug's advice. it has to be better suited to most 
> normal styles of touring than most bikes i've seen people touring on. if 
> anything, id invest in a light sleeping bag and tent, add a VO mojave cage 
> and the king bottle boss clamps and use the bike you love. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[drew]

i thought the cheviot could handle as much as a sam. im pretty sure i read 
that somewhere. i second doug's advice. it has to be better suited to most 
normal styles of touring than most bikes i've seen people touring on. if 
anything, id invest in a light sleeping bag and tent, add a VO mojave cage 
and the king bottle boss clamps and use the bike you love. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[dougP]

Bob:

Unfortunately, I can't point you to tour reports specifically for the 
Cheviot, Clem, etc.  However, I strongly encourage you to just pack it up & 
go.  One of the over-looked advantages of bike touring is that you don't 
need a purpose built touring bike to do it.  Unlike other more niche 
aspects of cycling (racing & MTBing come to mind), touring is really just 
rigging up whatever bike you've got to carry some stuff.  While touring, 
I've met people having a wonderful time on everything from racing bikes 
doing a credit card tour with those seatpost racks & only changes of 
clothing, students on Craigslist MTBs, 70s era racing bikes, etc., etc.  
You run what you brung & attitude takes care of the rest.  If anything a 
Cheviot is better suited to the task than many of the above.  Talk to 
Rivendell about load capacity to get the right answers but my guess is that 
the Cheviot will carry more weight than you'll really need.  

dougP



On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 10:17:00 AM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I was daydreaming the other day, an amazingly glorious day for the midwest 
> in February, riding my Cheviot.  I could not help but smile as riding along 
> was the most fun and peaceful thing I had done in awhile.  The idea that 
> the world would be a much better and happier place if people rode their 
> bikes more and drove their cars less seemed pretty obvious.
>
> Anyway, part of my daydream, sounding outlandish now but not so much then, 
> was wondering what it would be like to go on a real tour on the Cheviot.  I 
> searched CGOAB but no journals or reports found.  I also cannot remember 
> anyone here telling many stories of Cheviot touring or longer distance 
> travels though I certainly could have missed things.
>
> So, just because... Can anyone point me to stories, journals, pictures, 
> etc. of people touring on a Cheviot or similar bike?  Clem L's 
> (Clementines) would certainly be in there, and other mixte type of frames. 
>  It would be interesting to hear of such things, noting either the big 
> smiles or the wide, possibly concerned, eyes of the riders...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
> P.S.  I do realize the Cheviot (specifically) does not have the same load 
> carrying capacity as, say, a Hillborne, Appaloosa, or certainly a 
> Hunqapillar.  Still, reality must be put aside at times, if just for 
> awhile.  Can be a long while though... 
>

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