[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

FYI the “braking assistance” as they refer to it in the app can be adjusted for 
sensitivity or turned off altogether.  I happen to really like that feature as 
I rarely use my own brakes except when coming to a full stop at a light etc.  

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

Jim, that's a good point I forgot (I don't have the wheel anymore). When 
coasting you don't actually keep your feet still and it's easy to activate that 
backpedal braking unintentionally. It bothered me a bit because I kept slowing 
myself down. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Jim A]

Copenhagen wheels incorporate regenerative braking - when backpedaling, 
there is extra resistance in the freehub caused by a battery charging 
mechanism. The charge supplied is minimal but many people like the idea of 
this feature. However, it means that the chain is very prone to slackness 
and bunching when backpedaling, especially in smaller cogs. This shouldn't 
be having an effect when simply coasting, but your phenomenon may be 
related in some way.

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

Check your chain length, too. Usually with my wheel I was spinning out and 
coasting in a too-short top gear, which is big/small ring/cog. You might have 
just enough extra chain going on in combination with a little drag on the 
freehub to cause the slack. But make sure big/big still works!

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[maxcr]

Thanks for all your replies! I’ll try the lube suggestion to see if that fixes 
the issue.
Max

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Max,
I never had any chain issues here in Michigan on my Quickbeam nor on my wife’s 
multi geared Atlantis.

Ride conditions 90+ degrees F in late summer down to 25 degrees F in early 
Winter on dry roads with no snow.  

Good luck!

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

Sounds like what Alex is saying. Here in usually warm California I didn't have 
that issue. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Heavy lube and cold temps had that effect on my drivetrain in winter...I think 
the free hub has more drag than a standard free hub.  Did you strip your chain 
of the factory oil they put on it?

I’d apply several rounds of a light lube with lots of solvent in the formula. 
Something like clean ride or T9.  That might eliminate the resistance causing 
the slack chain.  I had considered going to a clutch derailleur but I always 
forget because I don’t have issues until I switch to heavy lube and get cold 
temps (sub freezing)

Hope that helps?

Alex

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[maxcr]

Joe and other Copenhagen wheel owners, did you have any problems with chain 
slack when coasting on the copenhagen wheel? I haven't used it much but I'm 
surprised to see my chain completely slack and sitting on the chainstay 
when I coast... something doesn't' seem right.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks
Max

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 7:22:26 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> - Fixing flats -
>
> It's heavy, bolt on, and there's a stabilizer that uses a 22mm (included) 
> wrench on the hub end and a hose clamp at the chainstay. This adds three 
> wrenches to my kit that aren't necessary for removing the front wheel, and 
> I would really rather not do that job on the side of the road. 
>
> It's not a deal breaker because I love the way the hub/battery works with 
> no wires on the frame, but the flatting situation is the one area where I 
> really miss my mid-drive kits. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[maxcr]

Looks like Marathon Supremes are the winners 700x50mm. (I can't fit a 60mm 
under the current fenders anyways.)
Thanks everyone!
Max

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 6:31:41 PM UTC-5, Abcyclehank wrote:
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> Also Marathon Supremes on mine Copenhagen Wheel.  First thing I did on 
> both Copenhagens was toss those crappy Kendra tires!
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[J Imler]

I’ve recently ordered this guy -
www.ridekick.com

Let’s you have your Riv and e-propulsion too. I’m getting it for my wife really 
whose got some health conditions but another selling point is that we can share 
it. I like the companies ideals also (easy parts replacement and longevity).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Patrick Moore]

I'm intrigued by the Copenhagen wheel myself, though for the present solely
in an academic way. But I think that having a Rivendell with assist would
beat another electric bike.

Me, I think I'd use 60 mm Big Apples. They are pretty darned bulletproof
and you can run them soft enough to absorb bumps (that is, about 25 psi; I
don't know why Schwalbe puts a 35 min pressure label on their 60 mm tires,
since 35 in such fat tires is rock hard. Me, I say 25 or 27 psi max).

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 5:22 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> - Fixing flats -
>
> It's heavy, bolt on, and there's a stabilizer that uses a 22mm (included)
> wrench on the hub end and a hose clamp at the chainstay. This adds three
> wrenches to my kit that aren't necessary for removing the front wheel, and
> I would really rather not do that job on the side of the road.
>
> It's not a deal breaker because I love the way the hub/battery works with
> no wires on the frame, but the flatting situation is the one area where I
> really miss my mid-drive kits.
>
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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

- Fixing flats -

It's heavy, bolt on, and there's a stabilizer that uses a 22mm (included) 
wrench on the hub end and a hose clamp at the chainstay. This adds three 
wrenches to my kit that aren't necessary for removing the front wheel, and I 
would really rather not do that job on the side of the road. 

It's not a deal breaker because I love the way the hub/battery works with no 
wires on the frame, but the flatting situation is the one area where I really 
miss my mid-drive kits. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Also Marathon Supremes on mine Copenhagen Wheel.  First thing I did on both 
Copenhagens was toss those crappy Kendra tires!

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Steve Palincsar]

Are there issues besides the weight when it comes to fixing flats?

On 2/29/20 6:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

I should clarify a thing that might not be obvious if you don't have a 
Copenhagen Wheel: The dang thing is heavy and doesn't budge over bumps. That's 
where the need for a big, cushy tire comes from.


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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

I should clarify a thing that might not be obvious if you don't have a 
Copenhagen Wheel: The dang thing is heavy and doesn't budge over bumps. That's 
where the need for a big, cushy tire comes from. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Marathon Supremes (700c x 50mm) on mine...going into my third season without a 
flat 爛

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

As big as you can get, and make sure you have flat protection because fixing 
one on the road (I haven't done it yet 爛) will not be fun. The Road Cruiser I 
have came with the used wheel and fits under my fender, but it's a bone 
rattler. My eClem really needs fatter tires. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[maxcr]

I finally got my wheel and my lbs installed it today. It came with a Kenda 35mm 
tire... way too small for my Atlantis. 

What tire do you guys recommend with the Copenhagen wheel? I’m thinking 700x50 
with mostly road use.

Schwalbe Marathons? Joe’s e-Clem seems to have the green guard road cruiser.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks
Max

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Jonathan D.]

Is there any company that produces a 650B version of something like this?  
Thinking of getting a wheel like this for my wife’s 45 Clementine to help with 
pulling kids in the bike trailer. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

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I can not recommend the Copenhagen wheel enough for any Riv application.
Joe was correct I initially had my NOS purchased single speed on my Quickbeam.  
My personal experience was it extended my SS rides into 35-40 miles vs mid 
20’s.  I personally have left it in ECO mode after one experimentation with the 
other boost modes.  While riding it just feels like a continuous tailwind of 
sorts.  Mostly noticed while taking off from stops or attempting accelerations 
for any occasion.
It has now been moved onto a 68cm Bombadil and performs just as magnificently.
Looking to pick up a 26 inch multigeared one to go on my wife’s 53cm Atlantis 
to potentially lengthen the distance we cover on 90 minute -2hrs rides together.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

That's an average range for most ebikes, and can be stretched considerably on 
the Copenhagen with judicious use of the Eco and 0 settings. One of the things 
I like about it on my Riv is it still pedals like a Riv, I can ride with very 
little assistance on flats and click it off completely for descents. 

That said, I *am* an urban rider. If you really want to tour with juice on a 
Riv you need a system that accepts switching batteries mid-ride. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Howard Hatten]

Thanks for the heads up on this price max. I’ve been on the fence but this 
price forced my hand. Just ordered. 

Howard
Livonia mi. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Steve Palincsar]

IIRC the maximum range on the Copenhagen Wheel is 30 miles.  That 
doesn't compare well with most e-assist bikes, and while that might be a 
fine range for an urban commuter, Rivs can be so much more.


On 11/24/19 4:58 PM, somervillebikes wrote:
Superpedestrian is a local company, and I see their wheels all over 
town, usually on bikes that blow past me :). I've seen them on nice 
road bikes and on clunky salvaged 10-speeds. I agree they need to 
start offering these in 650B. 20" would be great, too, if they'd fit-- 
I'd throw one on my Bike Friday Haul-a-Day in a heartbeat.


Anton "feeling a bit slow" Tutter
velolumino.com



On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 11:47:15 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:

I think that every Rivendell bike can be elegantly electrified
with a Red Copenhagen wheel.
I have ridden one on multiple occasions (miss you Amit) and feel
that it provides the best of both worlds.

That said their are so many different e-bikes on the market
currently that it is hard to compare apples to apples when
discussing pros and cons of each.

Joe excited to see how you like the Copenhagen conversion compared
to your previous Riv e-bike experimentations.




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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[somervillebikes]

Superpedestrian is a local company, and I see their wheels all over town, 
usually on bikes that blow past me :). I've seen them on nice road bikes 
and on clunky salvaged 10-speeds. I agree they need to start offering these 
in 650B. 20" would be great, too, if they'd fit-- I'd throw one on my Bike 
Friday Haul-a-Day in a heartbeat.

Anton "feeling a bit slow" Tutter
velolumino.com



On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 11:47:15 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> I think that every Rivendell bike can be elegantly electrified with a Red 
> Copenhagen wheel.
> I have ridden one on multiple occasions (miss you Amit) and feel that it 
> provides the best of both worlds.  
>
> That said their are so many different e-bikes on the market currently that 
> it is hard to compare apples to apples when discussing pros and cons of 
> each.
>
> Joe excited to see how you like the Copenhagen conversion compared to your 
> previous Riv e-bike experimentations.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan "Abcyclehank" has one on his Quickbeam. 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[maxcr]

For anyone who has been looking for an opportunity to try the Copenhagen 
wheel, I just got a black Friday email from them offering the wheel for 
$995 (it was $1,100 after tax and shipping).

Use code: HOMEFORTHEHOLIDAYS

I tried out a couple of years ago and was impressed with how intuitive it 
felt. Since then, I've been thinking about one of these and finally went 
for it today. I'll probably install it on my Atlantis - hope that's not 
heresy! The idea is to make winter commuting a bit shorter to keep riding 
through Jan/Feb here in Boston.

Anyone else tried the wheel on something other than a Clem, an All-Rounder 
or a Rosco?

Max

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> It's been on the market a couple years, after a rather long gestation 
> period with numerous delays. There have been no major updates as of now, a 
> lot of that got done in those delays. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Garth]

It's all good John !Thanks for posting about Copenhagen , it looks like 
a wondrous place indeed .  I love all photos !!  

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:16:40 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Sorry Garth.  Not a lot of time on street photography for rbw content. 
>  Most of our photos were inside museums and castles.  It gets cold in 
> Denmark!
>
> John
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Garth]

Cool . More photos , thanks !  

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> Also Mikael Colville-Andersen: https://www.flickr.com/photos/16nine
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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Surlyprof]

Sorry Garth.  Not a lot of time on street photography for rbw content. 
 Most of our photos were inside museums and castles.  It gets cold in 
Denmark!

John

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 6:05:12 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
> Cool . More photos , thanks !  
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Also Mikael Colville-Andersen: https://www.flickr.com/photos/16nine
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Garth]

  Looks like a lovely place indeed ! Only to add to the Copenhagen love, 
ironically I have been enjoying these sets on flickr from a pro 
photographer in Copenhagen , there are thousands of photos of people riding 
their bikes in every clothing style imaginable, from high fashion to blue 
jeans and tees. Young and old. Rusty to fancy bikes . Winter and summer. 
Amazing !  Everyone on a bike ! 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mellbin/sets/72157627898364219
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mellbin/sets/72157628365916249

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Garth,
Thanks for posting the Copenhagen photos.Fun to look at..wishing I lived 
there.
Interestingbeautiful bikes, beautiful people..nary a helmet or obese 
person.
Jon

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 6:36:59 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

>
>
>   Looks like a lovely place indeed ! Only to add to the Copenhagen love, 
> ironically I have been enjoying these sets on flickr from a pro 
> photographer in Copenhagen , there are thousands of photos of people riding 
> their bikes in every clothing style imaginable, from high fashion to blue 
> jeans and tees. Young and old. Rusty to fancy bikes . Winter and summer. 
> Amazing !  Everyone on a bike ! 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mellbin/sets/72157627898364219
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mellbin/sets/72157628365916249
>

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Surlyprof]

Patrick, that was the "drivetrain" for the derailleurs on one side and (I 
think) the brakes on the other!  The frame caught my attention but those 
handlebars definitely drew me into the shop to ask questions.

Olof, I agree with you about Sogreni's bars as well as the geometries put 
the handlebars pretty low except on his Shatterhand bikes.  His shop was 
neat to explore, he was fun to talk to and I thought his accessories were 
great.  He told me I couldn't build a set of wood fenders like his and then 
took one and twisted it into a pretzel-like shape without it cracking.  He 
also had stainless, brass, copper-plated brass and diamondplate steel 
fenders.  Thought the diamond plate fenders would give a Pugsley a very Mad 
Max aesthetic.  I really liked his bells and chain guards which were a 
simple steel rod bent and mounted on machined brass stand-offs.  The only 
problem is that you need to have your frame drilled out to mount it 
(although he does sell clamp-on brackets as well.

I also saw only a handful of drop bar racy bikes and mountain bikes.  The 
beausaged city bike appeared to rule in Copenhagen.  Can't wait to get back 
there during warmer months so I can join in the biking fun/chaos.

OT... the museums, churches and castles of Copenhagen are also wonderful to 
see (my wife is an Art Historian).  I can't say the art collections were 
great but the museums were beautiful.  We also enjoyed taking trains out to 
Roskilde for the Viking Ship Museum and nearby Cathedral (where the Danish 
royalty are buried) and up to Helsingør for the Kronborg Castle, Maritime 
Museum (cool building!) and Lousiana Museum (a little farther down the 
coast).  I can also recommend the Designmuseum Danmark, the World Clock in 
Copenhagen's City Hall and the shops Illums Bolighus, Normann Copehagen 
(showroom in an old cinema), Designer Zoo.  The design sensibilities of the 
culture was so impressive.  Oh, and if you are looking for a cocktail, I 
can't recommend Lidkoeb highly enough.  It was a 3-story old apothecary 
building with a cozy fireplace, outdoor seating and a whiskey bar on the 
third floor (at the top of some very twisty spiral staircase).  Fun trip.

John

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 5:56:54 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Wow! Great trip. Any idea what the gadgetry is on those handlebars on the 
> last bike?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 9:30:11 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> My wife and I recently returned from a rare vacation trip to Copenhagen, 
>> Denmark.  Although it was cold and gray most of the time, it was an amazing 
>> and inspiring trip.  If you haven't been, I can't recommend it highly 
>> enough (particularly in warmer months).  I wish we committed to such public 
>> infrastructure in America.  Despite the cold, rain and snow, people were 
>> still traveling everywhere by bike.  The infrastructure to support biking 
>> is incredible and everyone seems happier and healthier for it.  The entire 
>> town is so easy to navigate by train, buses and bikes.  With so many bikes 
>> around, security was often a kickstand and simple integrated rear wheel 
>> lock as opposed to a massive u-lock connected to a stationary object 
>> combined with a hearty cable to keep your wheels.  People of all ages were 
>> biking.  One night an 80+ year old woman pulled up next to us at a stop 
>> sign wearing a fur coat and full makeup looking like she was off to meet 
>> friends at the theater or a restaurant.  We even stumbled across a bike 
>> shop that I could only describe as Rivendell in Copenhagen (
>> http://sogrenibikes.com/).  The guy manufacturers and sells beautifully 
>> detailed products.  I bought a few of the bells which have a cast mounting 
>> bracket!
>>
>> Here is an albums of bike/fun-related photos.  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157663660021106
>> John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[cyclotourist]

Also Mikael Colville-Andersen: https://www.flickr.com/photos/16nine He
pretty much started the Copenhagen Cycle Chic movment AFAIK

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
>
>   Looks like a lovely place indeed ! Only to add to the Copenhagen love,
> ironically I have been enjoying these sets on flickr from a pro photographer
> in Copenhagen , there are thousands of photos of people riding their bikes
> in every clothing style imaginable, from high fashion to blue jeans and
> tees. Young and old. Rusty to fancy bikes . Winter and summer. Amazing !
> Everyone on a bike !
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mellbin/sets/72157627898364219
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mellbin/sets/72157628365916249
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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[blakcloud]

I have been to Copenhagen in the summer and it was spectacular. It had a 
profound impact on my views of cycling. For one thing once I got back I 
stopped using cycling specific clothing. As John says, if a woman in a fur 
coat can ride a bike, why do I have to wear lycra tights and a Shower Pass 
rain jacket? It was after this trip that I decided to buy my Sam Hillborne 
with Albatross bars and big basket on the front. 

In the thousands upon thousands of bikes I saw there, not one dropped bar 
handlebar could be found. That in of itself should tell you something. 

As for the Pedersen bike, I have ridden one and it was in my top three best 
riding bikes I ever had the experience of trying. It is like nothing you 
have tried before. The suspended seat is very comfortable. 

Copenhagen is my dream city. Unfortunately it wasn't my wife's dream city 
because if it was I would live there in a heartbeat. 

Be forewarned it is expensive, but there is a good reason for that, that is 
best left for another day. 

That trip changed my life. 

Glad you enjoyed it Surly Prof!

 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow! Great trip. Any idea what the gadgetry is on those handlebars on the 
last bike?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 9:30:11 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> My wife and I recently returned from a rare vacation trip to Copenhagen, 
> Denmark.  Although it was cold and gray most of the time, it was an amazing 
> and inspiring trip.  If you haven't been, I can't recommend it highly 
> enough (particularly in warmer months).  I wish we committed to such public 
> infrastructure in America.  Despite the cold, rain and snow, people were 
> still traveling everywhere by bike.  The infrastructure to support biking 
> is incredible and everyone seems happier and healthier for it.  The entire 
> town is so easy to navigate by train, buses and bikes.  With so many bikes 
> around, security was often a kickstand and simple integrated rear wheel 
> lock as opposed to a massive u-lock connected to a stationary object 
> combined with a hearty cable to keep your wheels.  People of all ages were 
> biking.  One night an 80+ year old woman pulled up next to us at a stop 
> sign wearing a fur coat and full makeup looking like she was off to meet 
> friends at the theater or a restaurant.  We even stumbled across a bike 
> shop that I could only describe as Rivendell in Copenhagen (
> http://sogrenibikes.com/).  The guy manufacturers and sells beautifully 
> detailed products.  I bought a few of the bells which have a cast mounting 
> bracket!
>
> Here is an albums of bike/fun-related photos.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157663660021106
> John
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[olofstroh]

Nice to see your pictures! 

 

Though having visited Copenhagen now and then since 1957 and even ridden 
drop-bar bicycles there (and even bought two bikes there, with drop bars)I can 
assure that they do exist. Pedersens ARE nice to ride – I have done so – though 
taking another road to design. Sögreni on the other hand are in my view not 
Rivendellian, traditional frame design but more catering to his own minimalist 
design than practicality and comfort. His bars are murder!

 

Olof Stroh 

now Uppsala Sweden who some day will post a picture of the bike parking by the 
railway station

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of blakcloud
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 2:36 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

 

I have been to Copenhagen in the summer and it was spectacular. It had a 
profound impact on my views of cycling. For one thing once I got back I stopped 
using cycling specific clothing. As John says, if a woman in a fur coat can 
ride a bike, why do I have to wear lycra tights and a Shower Pass rain jacket? 
It was after this trip that I decided to buy my Sam Hillborne with Albatross 
bars and big basket on the front. 

In the thousands upon thousands of bikes I saw there, not one dropped bar 
handlebar could be found. That in of itself should tell you something. 

As for the Pedersen bike, I have ridden one and it was in my top three best 
riding bikes I ever had the experience of trying. It is like nothing you have 
tried before. The suspended seat is very comfortable. 

Copenhagen is my dream city. Unfortunately it wasn't my wife's dream city 
because if it was I would live there in a heartbeat. 

Be forewarned it is expensive, but there is a good reason for that, that is 
best left for another day. 

That trip changed my life. 

Glad you enjoyed it Surly Prof!

 

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Surlyprof]

My suggestion is to go sometime other than the dead of winter.  Bike 
rentals are plentiful but my wife was not game for riding on slush, snow 
and ice this trip.  We hope to go back at a warmer time and rent bikes the 
whole time (many hotels have bike rentals or a shop very close where you 
can rent).  The one thing you can't rent were the Pedersens they sell at 
Christiania Cycles (http://www.pedersen-bike.dk/).  Funky place in a very 
funky part of town. 

As for the gears under those handlebars, I'm not totally sure but I believe 
one operated the rear derailleur and the other the brakes.  One part of the 
lever was for upshifting and the other for downshifting with your thumb 
(kind of like brifters).  I think it was a 1x5 set up.  The components were 
older Campy that had been polished out to a mirror shine.  Can't recall for 
sure but I believe the brakes were operated with the right hand levers.

John

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 11:08:14 AM UTC-8, JohnS wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing!  Copenhagen is on my bucket list, maybe someday. The 
> bike in the window is super cool! What's up with the chain and gears on the 
> underside of the handle bar? Is that for the brakes or the gears?
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 11:30:11 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>> My wife and I recently returned from a rare vacation trip to Copenhagen, 
>> Denmark.  Although it was cold and gray most of the time, it was an amazing 
>> and inspiring trip.  If you haven't been, I can't recommend it highly 
>> enough (particularly in warmer months).  I wish we committed to such public 
>> infrastructure in America.  Despite the cold, rain and snow, people were 
>> still traveling everywhere by bike.  The infrastructure to support biking 
>> is incredible and everyone seems happier and healthier for it.  The entire 
>> town is so easy to navigate by train, buses and bikes.  With so many bikes 
>> around, security was often a kickstand and simple integrated rear wheel 
>> lock as opposed to a massive u-lock connected to a stationary object 
>> combined with a hearty cable to keep your wheels.  People of all ages were 
>> biking.  One night an 80+ year old woman pulled up next to us at a stop 
>> sign wearing a fur coat and full makeup looking like she was off to meet 
>> friends at the theater or a restaurant.  We even stumbled across a bike 
>> shop that I could only describe as Rivendell in Copenhagen (
>> http://sogrenibikes.com/).  The guy manufacturers and sells beautifully 
>> detailed products.  I bought a few of the bells which have a cast mounting 
>> bracket!
>>
>> Here is an albums of bike/fun-related photos.  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157663660021106
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[JohnS]

John,

Thanks for sharing!  Copenhagen is on my bucket list, maybe someday. The 
bike in the window is super cool! What's up with the chain and gears on the 
underside of the handle bar? Is that for the brakes or the gears?

JohnS


On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 11:30:11 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:

> My wife and I recently returned from a rare vacation trip to Copenhagen, 
> Denmark.  Although it was cold and gray most of the time, it was an amazing 
> and inspiring trip.  If you haven't been, I can't recommend it highly 
> enough (particularly in warmer months).  I wish we committed to such public 
> infrastructure in America.  Despite the cold, rain and snow, people were 
> still traveling everywhere by bike.  The infrastructure to support biking 
> is incredible and everyone seems happier and healthier for it.  The entire 
> town is so easy to navigate by train, buses and bikes.  With so many bikes 
> around, security was often a kickstand and simple integrated rear wheel 
> lock as opposed to a massive u-lock connected to a stationary object 
> combined with a hearty cable to keep your wheels.  People of all ages were 
> biking.  One night an 80+ year old woman pulled up next to us at a stop 
> sign wearing a fur coat and full makeup looking like she was off to meet 
> friends at the theater or a restaurant.  We even stumbled across a bike 
> shop that I could only describe as Rivendell in Copenhagen (
> http://sogrenibikes.com/).  The guy manufacturers and sells beautifully 
> detailed products.  I bought a few of the bells which have a cast mounting 
> bracket!
>
> Here is an albums of bike/fun-related photos.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157663660021106
> John
>

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