[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?
For my money, the most critical feature is threaded fork, followed by 72 degree seat tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?
What I would be concerned about is offering less features like lugs. For me, Rivendells have always been well made and have nice lugs. However, I haven't been on the site in a while, but notice that some of the new frames are now TIG-welded or have very simple lugs?! Really?! That's like BMW making their 1 Series cars front wheel drivebut I digress. So not having nice lugs would be more a deal breaker than whether the frames was made by Waterford, Toyo or Taiwan (Maxway?). Btw, MIT is not all bad. My local LBS (A Bicycle Odyssey in Sausalito) is having a big sale on all its frames right now and they carry an interesting Taiwanese frameset from a company called Rikulau. They make a Reynolds 953 and 931 stainless steel framesets that are really nice. If I didn't recently buy a used Della Santa, I would be very tempted. Also, for those who are not paranoid, some of the best carbon framesets are also made in Taiwan. Giant makes carbon frames for just about everyone on the planet. They're one of the leaders in carbon fiber design. So MIT should be a concern, more about what features are being offered. Good Luck! On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:28:33 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote > This is just something I was pondering as I was commuting today. > Thought it might make an interesting discussion. > > From what I understood before, the order went Wisconsin $- Toyo > -Taiwan $$$, even though I think Riv stated in their writings that all > were made just as well. Although there were diffs in features and labor > that would make a MUSARIV more $$ than a Toyo in some instances. > > Now that runs of Taiwan made models are coming out of previously MUSA > models, do you think that will increase or decrease used sale values of the > MUSA and Toyo Rivs? > > I don't own a MUSA Rivbike but was just wondering. > I have a Toyo and Taiwan frames. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?
On a slightly side note because future Waterford Rivs have been mentioned, I'm still not convinced that's going to be much of a thing again. Maybe they'll continue limited runs of the Roadeo (and Legolas if you ask in a not-in-writing way), but Atlantis, AHH and Hunqapillar? Two of them are being recreated as MIT bikes, and we're about to get a MIT replacement/update for the Hunq. I just don't see those models continuing as MUSA at a higher price, and with what will appear to be older designs. Which leads to my next conclusion: MUSA Rivs will retain a used market separate from their MIT counterparts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?
I think it depends on what you're getting in a future MUSA frame. If the forthcoming Waterford Atlantis, AHH, etc. basically retain the features of the pre-2018, regular(-ish) chain stay, 2-3 degree upsloping top tube models, I don't think the used market for these frames will benefit as much. But if they're basically just US-made versions of the same LWB, compact frame sizes as the MIT models, I think those looking for the "classic" features will probably drive up prices on the used market. For example, I think that the MUSA Atlantis was available for a short time with a revised geometry and different tire sizes, but I'm not sure if that's the plan going forward, or if you can still buy what I'll call the "classic" Atlantis via Waterford. Remains to be seen with the Hilsen as well. Dunno. (Also, tangentially, one of the reasons why '80s-'90s MIJ/CIJ Fenders command such a relatively high price is because they were actually superior in many ways to MIA Fenders of the same vintage. Japan was pumping out good value reissues with excellent attention to the classic details the market wanted, while America largely concentrated on new and different. Nobody pines for a '91 American Standard Tele, but you'll always find a buyer for a FujiGen '62 Custom RI. Oversimplification, but still.) Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?
My MIM Fender Telecaster is my favorite guitar over my MUSA fender strat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?
That’s an interesting point. Of course, MUSA frames may start up again. But like you say -equivalent model at equivalent build quality... Rivendell switch in production made me think of the Fender guitar production wars that used to be. The battle raged for years about MUSAFender guitars vs. FenderJapan models and MUSAFender prices went up and stayed high til this day. Not just vintage either. Now FenderJapan is done with and the non-MUSA models are made in China/Korea/Indonesia/Mexico. The USA models are still retaining their extremely high value and rising. Not the same industry/marketplace at all but an interesting parallel to ponder how it will shake out in the bike industry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?
I hope so. I'd like a Waterford Atlantis someday and think their used prices may come down since it'll be competing with a new bike of the same model name, even though it's not the same bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
