[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Tom Wyland]

Ah, stainless. I was wondering why it looked so much better than my silver 
steel Tubus Tara.  I don't have any issues with the Ortlieb (high 
visibility) plus front panniers, for what it's worth. The lower hook can be 
moved around as needed.

Tom

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-4 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> I tried your suggestion on the Tubus Tara installation by swapping the 
> left and right rack rails and has allowed me to set the rail almost 
> perfectly horizontal.
> What front panniers are you using?
> When I tried both my Carradice C and Gravel pack front panniers, I am 
> having trouble mounting the lower hooks since it is exactly located on the 
> fork mounting points of the rack.
>
> I really wanted to use the Tara.
> By the way, it is also the stainless version and the hoop is 14mm in 
> diameter.
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Nick,

I tried your suggestion on the Tubus Tara installation by swapping the left 
and right rack rails and has allowed me to set the rail almost perfectly 
horizontal.
What front panniers are you using?
When I tried both my Carradice C and Gravel pack front panniers, I am 
having trouble mounting the lower hooks since it is exactly located on the 
fork mounting points of the rack.

I really wanted to use the Tara.
By the way, it is also the stainless version and the hoop is 14mm in 
diameter.

Regards,
Edgar Fausto

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:27:30 AM UTC+8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Tubus Tara works for me on the Appaloosa fork. Use the lowest mounting 
> point on the Tara rack to the upper eyelet on the fork dropout, and swap 
> the left and right rack rails for the pannier hooks so that the attachment 
> point is above the rail instead of below:
>
> [image: PXL_20210302_011157837.jpg]
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Nick Payne]

My Appaloosa frame is a 57cm. I just measured the C-C distance between the 
upper eyelet on the dropout and the braze-on attachment on the fork leg as 
232mm. FWIW, the Tara rack I have is the stainless steel model, though I 
doubt that there are any dimensional differences between that and the 
coated steel model.

Nick

On Wednesday, 3 March 2021 at 10:57:04 am UTC+11 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Thank you for posting a picture of your Appaloosa with Tubus Tara.
> I really wanted to use a Tubus Tara on my 51 Appaloosa but the absence of 
> lower eyelet prevented me from getting one.
> Would you mind telling me what is the size of your Appaloosa frame?
> I am not sure if frame size affects the dimension of the fork.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Keith,
I hope you will give us an update on your final front rack configuration on 
your Appaloosa.

Thanks.
Ed Fausto

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:39:11 AM UTC+8 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Thanks all for the helpful responses! I like Bill Lindsay's idea of using 
> a set of short Nitto struts to attach the rack to the fork tip eyelets. I 
> think that may work with my Duo rack. If not, it's good to know the Tara 
> will also work with essentially no modifications.
>
> The bike comes with a Mark's rack, the next challenge will be to see if I 
> can keep that rack while adding a low-rider. I'm assuming it will just 
> require some longer bolts, with possibly some spacers.
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 5:27 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> Tubus Tara works for me on the Appaloosa fork. Use the lowest mounting 
>> point on the Tara rack to the upper eyelet on the fork dropout, and swap 
>> the left and right rack rails for the pannier hooks so that the attachment 
>> point is above the rail instead of below:
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210302_011157837.jpg]
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Nick,

Thank you for posting a picture of your Appaloosa with Tubus Tara.
I really wanted to use a Tubus Tara on my 51 Appaloosa but the absence of 
lower eyelet prevented me from getting one.
Would you mind telling me what is the size of your Appaloosa frame?
I am not sure if frame size affects the dimension of the fork.

Thanks,
Ed Fausto
On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:27:30 AM UTC+8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Tubus Tara works for me on the Appaloosa fork. Use the lowest mounting 
> point on the Tara rack to the upper eyelet on the fork dropout, and swap 
> the left and right rack rails for the pannier hooks so that the attachment 
> point is above the rail instead of below:
>
> [image: PXL_20210302_011157837.jpg]
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[dougP]

If you know a frame builder, you can just install a tube thru the fork 
legs, likely similar to your Surly.  This is what I did on my Atlantis & it 
works great with a Tubus Duo.  Mine has worked well for a number of years & 
many fully loaded tours.  The guy who did mine was a hobbyist, not a pro, 
and I touched up the paint damage with Testor's modeling paint.  Crude, but 
serviceable.  

*Note that this method is specifically NOT RECOMMENDED BY RIVENDELL!  *

dougP
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 1:57:19 PM UTC-8 rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:

> I had an Old Man Mountain Sherpa mounted on my Clem when I had it.  Very 
> secure.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:13:41 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
>> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
>> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>>
>> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
>> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
>> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
>> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
>> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
>> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>>
>> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
>> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
>> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
>> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Ryan Nute]

I had an Old Man Mountain Sherpa mounted on my Clem when I had it.  Very 
secure.

Ryan

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:13:41 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

In my opinion, there are three very good Nitto front pannier racks which 
would be a great choice for a Joe Appaloosa.  Those are:

Nitto 34F:
Nitto 27F:
Nitto F25:

Another possibility would be the Nitto 35F, which is more of a high-rider.  
Ben's appears to have them all.  My personal favorite is the 27F because of 
the removable lowriders, giving me a useful platform for a handlebar bag or 
basket even when I'm not carrying panniers.  Note that if you have very 
tall panniers, they may not fit great on the 27F.  There are traditional 
rectangular offerings from Ostrich, Carradice and Gilles Berthoud to fit 
that, and also Ruthworks knows how to fit it perfectly.  If you want to run 
Ortliebs or Swifts or similar, then the 34F may be a better choice.  I've 
never run the F25 but it's super interesting.   

Regarding the Hub Area Rack, talk to Riv about what bags they think you are 
going to run on there.  They used to have a bag to fit the rack, and it was 
a cool setup.  With no bags, it may be tricky to use the rack.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:13:41 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Edwin W]

I don't have all of the measurements in front of me, but I found the hub 
area rack did not fit my appaloosa (eyelet was too high). I got a tubus 
tara, but haven't attached it yet, but I figure it should work.

Let us know what you find!

Edwin
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-6 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>

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