[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-08 Thread Mark Schneider 
Link to Paul's video on fender size per brake 
type. 
https://www.paulcomp.com/video/fender-clearance-and-brakes-motolite-racer-medium-minimoto/

Yes Honjo's are tough to install, I looked at Compass Cycles who also sell 
then but I just found a link to a BQ issue where it's explained (#34), kind 
of a bummer I don't have it I think he should put the instruction on his 
site.

All I got.
Mark

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:17:34 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-08 Thread Lum Gim Fong 
Shape the fender radius to the arc of your tires by using your fingers to 
slightly push the sides together all along its length (makes fender 
longer/ends move away from tire) or spreading them apart with fingers on 
each side of fender and the thumb along the spine all along its length  
(makes fender radius tighter, hugging the curve of the tire better and 
closer on the ends.
Never grab the ends of the fender and pull or push them towards/away from 
each other. You will kink the fender.

*It must be attached to the chainstay bridge. *You can buy nylon 
spacers/steel spacers/cork spacers at a hardware store.
Next attach to Seatstay bridge.
Do all this with the stays attached to fender but not to frame yet.
Attach stays to frame last, under no tension.

Right now I am in single combat with a Berthoud fender over a 32mm tire on 
a Rambouillet and it just...won't...fit. Front was fine, but rear...no way. 
Even after trying different things with the mounting points the tire is 
just...too..big. So I will install 28mm tires, which I was planning all 
along.
But I like to install fenders with largest tires possible first (if I have 
them) to get maximum clearance for the smaller ones I will actually use.
So 32mm fender installation for 28mm tires = massive clearance. I like alot 
of clearance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-08 Thread Patrick Moore 
Your efforts paid off well; it looks like an ace job, if I may facetiously
use a British slang term.

Patrick "I'll bet you're chuffed to bits. My first attempt was a dog's
breakfast" Moore

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:02 AM  wrote:

> Hi, just finally completed this project on my new bike - thank you guys
> for all the help it was really helpful - I've posted a few pics if anyone
> wants to take a look!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/76jda9iH4UBtfdpHA
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:17:34 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa -
>> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in
>> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video
>> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some
>> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>>
>> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that
>> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean
>> drill hole result?
>> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable
>> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room
>> to cut shorter - and really am
>> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the
>> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the
>> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore
>> it apart again.
>> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find
>> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the
>> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>>
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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-08 Thread nemomom123 
Hi, just finally completed this project on my new bike - thank you guys for 
all the help it was really helpful - I've posted a few pics if anyone wants 
to take a look!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/76jda9iH4UBtfdpHA

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:17:34 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-01 Thread Steve Palincsar 
Dilling holes is easy.  Aluminum is soft, and you can finish the hole 
off with a rat tail file.  It helps to start it with a punch.  In any 
event you don't see the hole when it's all assembled so no need to get 
obsessive about it.  Just make absolutely positively 100% sure don't 
even think about trying to shortcut the process to only do one set of 
holes at a time.  Mark, drill mount, mark the next set, dismount, drill, 
remount.  You cannot mark all the holes at once, because mounting the 
first hole changes the alignment and your next hole is going to end up 
in the wrong place.  That's the chief reason why it takes a long time 
and requires huge amounts of patience.  That, and of course because it's 
easy to screw up and ruin an expensive fender.  Haste truly makes waste 
here.


Also under no circumstances ever try to pull the fender into shape by 
means of tension on the fender stays.  That works with plastic fenders, 
but it's the kiss of death with metal ones.  You adjust the fender line 
by squeezing the edges of the fender together or spreading them apart.  
Stressing the fender by means of tension on the stays ends up causing 
cracking.



On 10/01/2018 12:45 PM, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

Hi D,
Honjo fenders are terrific, but installation can be challenging. Get 
the fenderline set before fixing the


For tools and drilling in aluminum, here's Ocean Air 
Cycles: http://oceanaircycles.com/2014/01/26/holes-in-metal-fenders/


Jitensha and Velo Orange have decent instructions, if you have some 
familiarity with fender installation.

https://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2009/03/fender-mounting-instructions.html

There's also BQ's fender installation instructions, which you'd need 
to purchase from BQ.


For Q2, do you mean [straddle] cable hanger rubs on the fender? On my 
48-cm Hunqapillar, there was little room between the rear brake cable 
hanger and fender. The straddle cable hanger was set almost to touch 
the fender in order to have any room for brake actuation. If you have 
room, then you can raise the straddle hanger. The brake 
feel+performance might change, but it's the rear wheel, so probably 
doesn't matter that much. (YMMV!)


For Q3, Paul touring canti brakes and Paul Neo-retros would work fine 
with fenders.


Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA




On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe
Appaloosa - they did not come with any instructions and the parts
tags were in Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I
could find) video regarding the installation which looks pretty
extensive, I do have some questions if someone has experience with
these. Here goes . . .

1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does
that require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to
get a clean drill hole result?
2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake
cable tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't
have much room to cut shorter - and really am
new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced
the cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire
so that the brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted
to ask before I tore it apart again.
3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but
couldn't find any substantive video on whether these would be ok
with the fenders - the cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on
this as well would be appreciated.

Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-01 Thread Denise Granger 
SEEMS LIKE IT - I’ve read 2 already and this is just so helpful - I will check 
the BQ article as well. Really appreciate that - I’ll shoot some pics once I’ve 
successfully tackled this project.
> On Oct 1, 2018, at 1:47 PM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Shoji's links are spot on -- I'd say grab a coffee (or a beer) and read 
> through them. Getting your hands on the JP Weigel / BQ article would be very 
> helpful as well. 
> 
> My 2 cents: I'd suggest a sharp awl as opposed to drilling. Alu fenders are 
> super soft and a small round file will remove the burr from the awl easily 
> enough.
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in Japanese. 
> While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video regarding the 
> installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some questions if 
> someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
> 
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that require a 
> special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean drill hole 
> result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable tip 
> rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room to 
> cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the cable 
> hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the brake 
> cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore it apart 
> again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find any 
> substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be appreciated.
> 
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
> 
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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-01 Thread 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Shoji's links are spot on -- I'd say grab a coffee (or a beer) and read 
through them. Getting your hands on the JP Weigel / BQ article would be 
very helpful as well. 

My 2 cents: I'd suggest a sharp awl as opposed to drilling. Alu fenders are 
super soft and a small round file will remove the burr from the awl easily 
enough.


On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

2018-10-01 Thread Shoji Takahashi 
Hi D,
Honjo fenders are terrific, but installation can be challenging. Get the 
fenderline set before fixing the 

For tools and drilling in aluminum, here's Ocean Air 
Cycles: http://oceanaircycles.com/2014/01/26/holes-in-metal-fenders/

Jitensha and Velo Orange have decent instructions, if you have some 
familiarity with fender installation. 
https://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2009/03/fender-mounting-instructions.html

There's also BQ's fender installation instructions, which you'd need to 
purchase from BQ.

For Q2, do you mean [straddle] cable hanger rubs on the fender? On my 48-cm 
Hunqapillar, there was little room between the rear brake cable hanger and 
fender. The straddle cable hanger was set almost to touch the fender in 
order to have any room for brake actuation. If you have room, then you can 
raise the straddle hanger. The brake feel+performance might change, but 
it's the rear wheel, so probably doesn't matter that much. (YMMV!)

For Q3, Paul touring canti brakes and Paul Neo-retros would work fine with 
fenders.

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA




On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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