Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hey Tim!  Sorry you missed it.  We will do it again, soon, I hope.

-Nathan Mattia

“I saw a tiger.  Now I understand. I saw a tiger, and the tiger saw a man.” 
-Abraham Lincoln

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 9:04 PM, Tim Rogers <97re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm sorry I didn't see this until today. Sunday was a beautiful day ... I was 
> out riding the Monarch Trail in Chesterfield. Had I known, "Clem" and I would 
> have gladly joined you. If you ever organize another local ride and do so by 
> building on this thread, I think the forum will ping me (and the others) now 
> that we've responded.
> 
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>> Hello my fellow Riv-Heads of the Gateway City
>> 
>>  In the 3 years that I have been back into bikes, and aware of Rivendell, I 
>> have had the pleasure of running into 3 different Riv-Riders.  One, the 
>> venerable Jeff Smith, had enough time to stop and have a 1/2 hour 
>> conversation before my wife called and started yapping about missing dinner.
>> 
>> The point is, that conversation was lovely, and I need more of it.  I want 
>> to see other people’s rigs up close and personal. I want to know which local 
>> mechanics are worth their salt.  I want to know some insights on the local 
>> trails beyond my beloved Forest Park.
>> 
>> Let’s get together, shall we?  There has never been a time (since, perhaps 
>> college) when I have had more time to go for a ride and a get together.  I 
>> am literally free for at least a part of every day.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Tim Rogers]

I'm sorry I didn't see this until today. Sunday was a beautiful day ... I 
was out riding the Monarch Trail in Chesterfield. Had I known, "Clem" and I 
would have gladly joined you. If you ever organize another local ride and 
do so by building on this thread, I think the forum will ping me (and the 
others) now that we've responded.

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Hello my fellow Riv-Heads of the Gateway City
>
>  In the 3 years that I have been back into bikes, and aware of Rivendell, 
> I have had the pleasure of running into 3 different Riv-Riders.  One, the 
> venerable Jeff Smith, had enough time to stop and have a 1/2 hour 
> conversation before my wife called and started yapping about missing dinner.
>
> The point is, that conversation was lovely, and I need more of it.  I want 
> to see other people’s rigs up close and personal. I want to know which 
> local mechanics are worth their salt.  I want to know some insights on the 
> local trails beyond my beloved Forest Park.
>
> Let’s get together, shall we?  There has never been a time (since, perhaps 
> college) when I have had more time to go for a ride and a get together.  I 
> am literally free for at least a part of every day.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Dean, great picture!  Those are some good-looking Riv-Riders there! 
 Paragons of fashion and style, every one!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Joe S]

Hi Andy,

I also lived in Florissant(Black Jack) from 6th grade through high school.
I left in 1975, so it's been a while.
I moved a lot for the first 30 or so years of my life. For the last several
years I've been going back and riding in areas that I lived and have done
several. I've ridden the Katy Trail a few times, but need to get back and
ride closer to my old home sometime soon.

Joe S

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:57 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> Sounds like fun. I lived in Florissant until I was 14, I bootlegged
> several rides to the Arch in the few years before moving to Arkansas.
>
> In April 2012 a group of us met in Cumberland, MD and rode the GAP north,
> overnighting in Confluence, PA stopping in Ohiopyle to tour Frank Lloyd
> Wright's Fallingwater.
>
> A N'or Easter shortened the ride for those facing travel back to and up
> the eastern seaboard as our shuttle company was based in Ohiopyle and
> amenable to the adjustment. My shuttle company (wife) was out of cell
> service, on the original plan, so I rode on in snow to West Newton to meet
> her as the rest rode back to their cars in Cumberland. Mark Irwin from
> Michigan remained in Ohiopyle at the state park campground.
>
> We had lots of conversations and comradery. The in-person experience and
> seeing everyones' bikes was worthwhile. I personally was smitten from then
> on by generator hubs and LED lights. My take-aways probably not appropriate
> in the post C-19 world.
>
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/P47mQDqrze1dN5pc8
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:18:26 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Well, I’ve never done a group ride in my life, so I’m not suggesting that
>> for the meet up.
>>
>> As far as I’m concerned, we can all agree to ride in from different
>> points on the compass so that we don’t have to calculate our velocity and
>> distance and radii of possible transmission under speed.
>>
>> The point is, the conversation and comradery.  Could they be had on an
>> online forum?  Sure, but it’s not the same.  Could we accomplish those
>> safely?  I think so.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:57:12 PM UTC-5, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>>
>>> Glad that someone is beginning to look at it at least. I hadn't heard
>>> any of that. It makes sense that velocity is going to affect distance.
>>> Tho, this could cause concern for the increase number of people that are
>>> offset from public transit using the bike lanes.
>>> I've been maintaining 100% masking wearing while outside the home,
>>> including when biking anyways.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:44 PM somervillebikes 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I don't think the 2 meter rule necessarily applies to cycling or
 running. There is a computer-simulated model out of Europe that suggests
 that for higher speed travel modes, like running and cycling, you might
 need far more than 6 feet.  Granted, it's a model, not peer-reviewed, and
 there's also scant data that points to viral transmission occurring
 outdoors, but then again very little is really known for sure about the
 transmission of this virus. My regular riding buddy and I decided to end
 our gentleman rides two weeks ago. I'd rather err on the safe side.

 Anton
 velolumino.com



 On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
> I'm currently in NYC but will be moving back to KC next month so I'll
> be on the other side of the state from you soon.
> I'd be down for a train trip over and ride later in the year perhaps,
> My work goes on so I'm as busy as ever during all this.
>
> I also tend to agree with you, a small group ride/chat can be done
> safely.  You don't have to ride in a peloton or paceline to ride together.
> Can easily chat at 6ft distances. Not touch each others bikes. Wear masks.
> Etc...
>
> --ben
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:13 PM Nathan Mattia 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Bill,
>>
>> When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I
>> made was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres 
>> Greenway,
>> to Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I
>> have discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at 
>> least
>> needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on
>> highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and
>> miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker 
>> Barrel’s.
>> I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there 
>> were a
>> fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.
>>
>> Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.
>>  1) I can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the
>> forum.  But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I 

[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Dean Drake]

I am across the river in Fairview Heights, Illinois. I have a Hunqapillar 
and a Bridgestone XO-1. I would like to meet and ride with other RBW owners 
in the St Louis area once the stay at home order is lifted and we can 
safely do so.  Madison county, Illinois  has over a hundred miles of 
beautiful paved trails which have now been extended into St. Clair county.

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Hello my fellow Riv-Heads of the Gateway City
>
>  In the 3 years that I have been back into bikes, and aware of Rivendell, 
> I have had the pleasure of running into 3 different Riv-Riders.  One, the 
> venerable Jeff Smith, had enough time to stop and have a 1/2 hour 
> conversation before my wife called and started yapping about missing dinner.
>
> The point is, that conversation was lovely, and I need more of it.  I want 
> to see other people’s rigs up close and personal. I want to know which 
> local mechanics are worth their salt.  I want to know some insights on the 
> local trails beyond my beloved Forest Park.
>
> Let’s get together, shall we?  There has never been a time (since, perhaps 
> college) when I have had more time to go for a ride and a get together.  I 
> am literally free for at least a part of every day.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Oh man, I love that place.  So great to hear you do to.  
They dug up a Fairdale Weekender, a Dr. Dew and a Breeze for me to tool 
around the District for a day, just because I said I was visiting from St. 
Louis where we don’t have a Fairdale dealer. Super patient with me and 
answered all my questions.

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:10:42 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Nathan, I'm in Highland Park of the East End, Kindred is my go-to. Aaron, 
> Catherine and John have been my first reference for folks shopping bikes. 
> They do a fantastic job of helping folks find their format based on use, 
> intents and preferences. They recently build my Coast 650b rando. 
>
> They're down the street from my work, up the block from my favorite 
> shopping and close to downtown.
>
> Andy Cheahtam
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:41:25 AM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> SWEET LORD, that looks amazing.  That’s what I’m talking about when I say 
>>> I need scenery. I NEED to ride the continental divide.  Whose Atlantis was 
>>> that shiny gem?  I don’t think i could have ever brought myself to take it 
>>> outside!
>>>
>>
>> Andy!, whereabouts in the  Pittsburgh area are you now? My dad grew up in 
>> Aliquippa so we make it back there every once in a while.
>> Have you made it down to *Kindred Cycles in the Strip? * 
>>
>> Wonderful people there.  Let me test ride several bikes a few years ago, 
>> knowing I was on vacation and wouldn’t buy one.  Helped move me several 
>> steps closer to knowing what I wanted and didn’t want in a a bike as I was 
>> getting back into riding.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[ascpgh]

Nathan, I'm in Highland Park of the East End, Kindred is my go-to. Aaron, 
Catherine and John have been my first reference for folks shopping bikes. 
They do a fantastic job of helping folks find their format based on use, 
intents and preferences. They recently build my Coast 650b rando. 

They're down the street from my work, up the block from my favorite 
shopping and close to downtown.

Andy Cheahtam
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:41:25 AM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> SWEET LORD, that looks amazing.  That’s what I’m talking about when I say 
>> I need scenery. I NEED to ride the continental divide.  Whose Atlantis was 
>> that shiny gem?  I don’t think i could have ever brought myself to take it 
>> outside!
>>
>
> Andy!, whereabouts in the  Pittsburgh area are you now? My dad grew up in 
> Aliquippa so we make it back there every once in a while.
> Have you made it down to *Kindred Cycles in the Strip? * 
>
> Wonderful people there.  Let me test ride several bikes a few years ago, 
> knowing I was on vacation and wouldn’t buy one.  Helped move me several 
> steps closer to knowing what I wanted and didn’t want in a a bike as I was 
> getting back into riding.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

>
> SWEET LORD, that looks amazing.  That’s what I’m talking about when I say 
> I need scenery. I NEED to ride the continental divide.  Whose Atlantis was 
> that shiny gem?  I don’t think i could have ever brought myself to take it 
> outside!
>

Andy!, whereabouts in the  Pittsburgh area are you now? My dad grew up in 
Aliquippa so we make it back there every once in a while.
Have you made it down to *Kindred Cycles in the Strip? * 

Wonderful people there.  Let me test ride several bikes a few years ago, 
knowing I was on vacation and wouldn’t buy one.  Helped move me several 
steps closer to knowing what I wanted and didn’t want in a a bike as I was 
getting back into riding.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 4/25/20 7:57 AM, ascpgh wrote:


In April 2012 a group of us met in Cumberland, MD and rode the GAP 
north, overnighting in Confluence, PA stopping in Ohiopyle to tour 
Frank Lloyd Wright's Fallingwater.


A N'or Easter shortened the ride for those facing travel back to and 
up the eastern seaboard as our shuttle company was based in Ohiopyle 
and amenable to the adjustment. My shuttle company (wife) was out of 
cell service, on the original plan, so I rode on in snow to West 
Newton to meet her as the rest rode back to their cars in Cumberland. 
Mark Irwin from Michigan remained in Ohiopyle at the state park 
campground.


We had lots of conversations and comradery. The in-person experience 
and seeing everyones' bikes was worthwhile. I personally was smitten 
from then on by generator hubs and LED lights. My take-aways probably 
not appropriate in the post C-19 world.



https://photos.app.goo.gl/P47mQDqrze1dN5pc8



There's also a Flickr group of photos from that trip 
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1923867@N25/


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Alexandria, Virginia
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[ascpgh]

Sounds like fun. I lived in Florissant until I was 14, I bootlegged several 
rides to the Arch in the few years before moving to Arkansas. 

In April 2012 a group of us met in Cumberland, MD and rode the GAP north, 
overnighting in Confluence, PA stopping in Ohiopyle to tour Frank Lloyd 
Wright's Fallingwater. 

A N'or Easter shortened the ride for those facing travel back to and up the 
eastern seaboard as our shuttle company was based in Ohiopyle and amenable 
to the adjustment. My shuttle company (wife) was out of cell service, on 
the original plan, so I rode on in snow to West Newton to meet her as the 
rest rode back to their cars in Cumberland. Mark Irwin from Michigan 
remained in Ohiopyle at the state park campground. 

We had lots of conversations and comradery. The in-person experience and 
seeing everyones' bikes was worthwhile. I personally was smitten from then 
on by generator hubs and LED lights. My take-aways probably not appropriate 
in the post C-19 world. 


https://photos.app.goo.gl/P47mQDqrze1dN5pc8

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:18:26 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Well, I’ve never done a group ride in my life, so I’m not suggesting that 
> for the meet up.  
>
> As far as I’m concerned, we can all agree to ride in from different points 
> on the compass so that we don’t have to calculate our velocity and distance 
> and radii of possible transmission under speed.
>
> The point is, the conversation and comradery.  Could they be had on an 
> online forum?  Sure, but it’s not the same.  Could we accomplish those 
> safely?  I think so.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:57:12 PM UTC-5, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>> Glad that someone is beginning to look at it at least. I hadn't heard any 
>> of that. It makes sense that velocity is going to affect distance.  Tho, 
>> this could cause concern for the increase number of people that are offset 
>> from public transit using the bike lanes. 
>> I've been maintaining 100% masking wearing while outside the home, 
>> including when biking anyways.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:44 PM somervillebikes  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think the 2 meter rule necessarily applies to cycling or 
>>> running. There is a computer-simulated model out of Europe that suggests 
>>> that for higher speed travel modes, like running and cycling, you might 
>>> need far more than 6 feet.  Granted, it's a model, not peer-reviewed, and 
>>> there's also scant data that points to viral transmission occurring 
>>> outdoors, but then again very little is really known for sure about the 
>>> transmission of this virus. My regular riding buddy and I decided to end 
>>> our gentleman rides two weeks ago. I'd rather err on the safe side. 
>>>
>>> Anton
>>> velolumino.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Kelley wrote:

 I'm currently in NYC but will be moving back to KC next month so I'll 
 be on the other side of the state from you soon.
 I'd be down for a train trip over and ride later in the year perhaps, 
 My work goes on so I'm as busy as ever during all this.

 I also tend to agree with you, a small group ride/chat can be done 
 safely.  You don't have to ride in a peloton or paceline to ride together. 
 Can easily chat at 6ft distances. Not touch each others bikes. Wear masks. 
 Etc...

 --ben

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:13 PM Nathan Mattia  
 wrote:

> Hello Bill,
>
> When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I 
> made was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres 
> Greenway, 
> to Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I 
> have discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at 
> least 
> needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
> highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
> miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker 
> Barrel’s.  
> I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were 
> a 
> fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  
>
> Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up. 
>  1) I can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the 
> forum.  But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch 
> your 
> bike, much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a 
> medically 
> acceptable distance.
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> Nathan, 
>>
>> I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up, 
>> unless I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I 
>> bike 
>> commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you 
>> aware 
>> of Grants Trail?  My 

Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

I’m in!.  See you then, Jim.  2:00 at King Louis!

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:55:01 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Ok. Forest park. How about Sunday at 2 by that statute of St Louis in 
> front of the art museum? If we could get 5 Riv riders, I'd say great 
> success. I'm in. Anybody else?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Jim S.]

Ok. Forest park. How about Sunday at 2 by that statute of St Louis in front of 
the art museum? If we could get 5 Riv riders, I'd say great success. I'm in. 
Anybody else?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Jim S.]

I live in Clayton. I'm in. Let's meet at an appointed time under the Arch. 
Everyone can stay as far apart as they want.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Well, I’ve never done a group ride in my life, so I’m not suggesting that 
for the meet up.  

As far as I’m concerned, we can all agree to ride in from different points 
on the compass so that we don’t have to calculate our velocity and distance 
and radii of possible transmission under speed.

The point is, the conversation and comradery.  Could they be had on an 
online forum?  Sure, but it’s not the same.  Could we accomplish those 
safely?  I think so.


On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:57:12 PM UTC-5, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
> Glad that someone is beginning to look at it at least. I hadn't heard any 
> of that. It makes sense that velocity is going to affect distance.  Tho, 
> this could cause concern for the increase number of people that are offset 
> from public transit using the bike lanes. 
> I've been maintaining 100% masking wearing while outside the home, 
> including when biking anyways.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:44 PM somervillebikes  > wrote:
>
>> I don't think the 2 meter rule necessarily applies to cycling or running. 
>> There is a computer-simulated model out of Europe that suggests that for 
>> higher speed travel modes, like running and cycling, you might need far 
>> more than 6 feet.  Granted, it's a model, not peer-reviewed, and there's 
>> also scant data that points to viral transmission occurring outdoors, but 
>> then again very little is really known for sure about the transmission of 
>> this virus. My regular riding buddy and I decided to end our gentleman 
>> rides two weeks ago. I'd rather err on the safe side. 
>>
>> Anton
>> velolumino.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm currently in NYC but will be moving back to KC next month so I'll be 
>>> on the other side of the state from you soon.
>>> I'd be down for a train trip over and ride later in the year perhaps, My 
>>> work goes on so I'm as busy as ever during all this.
>>>
>>> I also tend to agree with you, a small group ride/chat can be done 
>>> safely.  You don't have to ride in a peloton or paceline to ride together. 
>>> Can easily chat at 6ft distances. Not touch each others bikes. Wear masks. 
>>> Etc...
>>>
>>> --ben
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:13 PM Nathan Mattia  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Bill,

 When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I 
 made was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, 
 to Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I 
 have discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at 
 least 
 needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
 highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
 miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s. 
  
 I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were 
 a 
 fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  

 Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.  1) 
 I can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the 
 forum.  But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch your 
 bike, much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a 
 medically 
 acceptable distance.
 On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Nathan, 
>
> I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up, 
> unless I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I 
> bike 
> commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you 
> aware 
> of Grants Trail?  My son seemed to think it might be closed due to CV.  
> It 
> was developed by Trailnet (https://trailnet.org/), formerly Gateway 
> Trailnet.  I was on the board of GT at the time and the powers that were 
> in 
> the community of Grantwood Village, of which I was a resident, spent our 
> precious tax dollars appealing the trail all the way to the US Supreme 
> Court, which declined to review the case preserving GT’s victory in 
> district court.  I believe it has become a much used community asset.  
> You 
> ought to check it out if you haven’t already. It would be another great 
> place to ride with your kids and maybe work it into a visit to Grants 
> Farm 
> and Grant’s National Monument.  I believe the Old Chain of Rocks Bridge, 
> also developed by Trailnet, connects riverfront trails on both sides of 
> the 
> Mississippi and makes for some nice riding. 
>
> Bill S 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Glad that someone is beginning to look at it at least. I hadn't heard any
of that. It makes sense that velocity is going to affect distance.  Tho,
this could cause concern for the increase number of people that are offset
from public transit using the bike lanes.
I've been maintaining 100% masking wearing while outside the home,
including when biking anyways.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:44 PM somervillebikes  wrote:

> I don't think the 2 meter rule necessarily applies to cycling or running.
> There is a computer-simulated model out of Europe that suggests that for
> higher speed travel modes, like running and cycling, you might need far
> more than 6 feet.  Granted, it's a model, not peer-reviewed, and there's
> also scant data that points to viral transmission occurring outdoors, but
> then again very little is really known for sure about the transmission of
> this virus. My regular riding buddy and I decided to end our gentleman
> rides two weeks ago. I'd rather err on the safe side.
>
> Anton
> velolumino.com
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>> I'm currently in NYC but will be moving back to KC next month so I'll be
>> on the other side of the state from you soon.
>> I'd be down for a train trip over and ride later in the year perhaps, My
>> work goes on so I'm as busy as ever during all this.
>>
>> I also tend to agree with you, a small group ride/chat can be done
>> safely.  You don't have to ride in a peloton or paceline to ride together.
>> Can easily chat at 6ft distances. Not touch each others bikes. Wear masks.
>> Etc...
>>
>> --ben
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:13 PM Nathan Mattia 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Bill,
>>>
>>> When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I
>>> made was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway,
>>> to Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I
>>> have discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at least
>>> needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on
>>> highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and
>>> miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s.
>>> I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were a
>>> fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.
>>>
>>> Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.  1)
>>> I can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the
>>> forum.  But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch your
>>> bike, much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a medically
>>> acceptable distance.
>>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:

 Nathan,

 I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up,
 unless I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I bike
 commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you aware
 of Grants Trail?  My son seemed to think it might be closed due to CV.  It
 was developed by Trailnet (https://trailnet.org/), formerly Gateway
 Trailnet.  I was on the board of GT at the time and the powers that were in
 the community of Grantwood Village, of which I was a resident, spent our
 precious tax dollars appealing the trail all the way to the US Supreme
 Court, which declined to review the case preserving GT’s victory in
 district court.  I believe it has become a much used community asset.  You
 ought to check it out if you haven’t already. It would be another great
 place to ride with your kids and maybe work it into a visit to Grants Farm
 and Grant’s National Monument.  I believe the Old Chain of Rocks Bridge,
 also developed by Trailnet, connects riverfront trails on both sides of the
 Mississippi and makes for some nice riding.

 Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[somervillebikes]

I don't think the 2 meter rule necessarily applies to cycling or running. 
There is a computer-simulated model out of Europe that suggests that for 
higher speed travel modes, like running and cycling, you might need far 
more than 6 feet.  Granted, it's a model, not peer-reviewed, and there's 
also scant data that points to viral transmission occurring outdoors, but 
then again very little is really known for sure about the transmission of 
this virus. My regular riding buddy and I decided to end our gentleman 
rides two weeks ago. I'd rather err on the safe side. 

Anton
velolumino.com



On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
> I'm currently in NYC but will be moving back to KC next month so I'll be 
> on the other side of the state from you soon.
> I'd be down for a train trip over and ride later in the year perhaps, My 
> work goes on so I'm as busy as ever during all this.
>
> I also tend to agree with you, a small group ride/chat can be done 
> safely.  You don't have to ride in a peloton or paceline to ride together. 
> Can easily chat at 6ft distances. Not touch each others bikes. Wear masks. 
> Etc...
>
> --ben
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:13 PM Nathan Mattia  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Bill,
>>
>> When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I 
>> made was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, 
>> to Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I 
>> have discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at least 
>> needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
>> highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
>> miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s.  
>> I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were a 
>> fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  
>>
>> Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.  1) I 
>> can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the forum.  
>> But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch your bike, 
>> much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a medically 
>> acceptable distance.
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
>>> Nathan, 
>>>
>>> I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up, 
>>> unless I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I bike 
>>> commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you aware 
>>> of Grants Trail?  My son seemed to think it might be closed due to CV.  It 
>>> was developed by Trailnet (https://trailnet.org/), formerly Gateway 
>>> Trailnet.  I was on the board of GT at the time and the powers that were in 
>>> the community of Grantwood Village, of which I was a resident, spent our 
>>> precious tax dollars appealing the trail all the way to the US Supreme 
>>> Court, which declined to review the case preserving GT’s victory in 
>>> district court.  I believe it has become a much used community asset.  You 
>>> ought to check it out if you haven’t already. It would be another great 
>>> place to ride with your kids and maybe work it into a visit to Grants Farm 
>>> and Grant’s National Monument.  I believe the Old Chain of Rocks Bridge, 
>>> also developed by Trailnet, connects riverfront trails on both sides of the 
>>> Mississippi and makes for some nice riding. 
>>>
>>> Bill S 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

I'm currently in NYC but will be moving back to KC next month so I'll be on
the other side of the state from you soon.
I'd be down for a train trip over and ride later in the year perhaps, My
work goes on so I'm as busy as ever during all this.

I also tend to agree with you, a small group ride/chat can be done safely.
You don't have to ride in a peloton or paceline to ride together. Can
easily chat at 6ft distances. Not touch each others bikes. Wear masks.
Etc...

--ben

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:13 PM Nathan Mattia 
wrote:

> Hello Bill,
>
> When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I made
> was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, to
> Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I have
> discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at least
> needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on
> highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and
> miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s.
> I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were a
> fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.
>
> Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.  1) I
> can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the forum.
> But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch your bike,
> much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a medically
> acceptable distance.
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> Nathan,
>>
>> I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up,
>> unless I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I bike
>> commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you aware
>> of Grants Trail?  My son seemed to think it might be closed due to CV.  It
>> was developed by Trailnet (https://trailnet.org/), formerly Gateway
>> Trailnet.  I was on the board of GT at the time and the powers that were in
>> the community of Grantwood Village, of which I was a resident, spent our
>> precious tax dollars appealing the trail all the way to the US Supreme
>> Court, which declined to review the case preserving GT’s victory in
>> district court.  I believe it has become a much used community asset.  You
>> ought to check it out if you haven’t already. It would be another great
>> place to ride with your kids and maybe work it into a visit to Grants Farm
>> and Grant’s National Monument.  I believe the Old Chain of Rocks Bridge,
>> also developed by Trailnet, connects riverfront trails on both sides of the
>> Mississippi and makes for some nice riding.
>>
>> Bill S
>>
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[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Bill,

When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I made 
was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, to 
Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I have 
discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at least 
needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s. 
 I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were 
a fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  

Touché,  Kevin.
Are you a man of the Lou?   Allow me to explain.  IT IS a great time for a 
meet up.  1) I can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here 
on the forum.  But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to 
touch your bike, much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from 
a medically/ acceptable distance.  And more importantly, we can talk.  I’ll 
even don the mask and gloves.  3) I don’t know about your area, but with 
the reduced traffic, rides through the central corridor of the ‘Lou have 
never been more enjoyable.

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:02:10 PM UTC-5, Kevin M wrote:
>
> Yeah, great time for a meet up :-/
>

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[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Bill,

When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I made 
was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, to 
Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I have 
discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at least 
needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s. 
 I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were 
a fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  

Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.  1) I 
can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the forum. 
 But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch your bike, 
much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a medically 
acceptable distance.
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Nathan, 
>
> I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up, unless 
> I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I bike 
> commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you aware 
> of Grants Trail?  My son seemed to think it might be closed due to CV.  It 
> was developed by Trailnet (https://trailnet.org/), formerly Gateway 
> Trailnet.  I was on the board of GT at the time and the powers that were in 
> the community of Grantwood Village, of which I was a resident, spent our 
> precious tax dollars appealing the trail all the way to the US Supreme 
> Court, which declined to review the case preserving GT’s victory in 
> district court.  I believe it has become a much used community asset.  You 
> ought to check it out if you haven’t already. It would be another great 
> place to ride with your kids and maybe work it into a visit to Grants Farm 
> and Grant’s National Monument.  I believe the Old Chain of Rocks Bridge, 
> also developed by Trailnet, connects riverfront trails on both sides of the 
> Mississippi and makes for some nice riding. 
>
> Bill S 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Kevin M]

Yeah, great time for a meet up :-/

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