[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Invisible]

Um. Not to interrupt the War of the Moustaches, but I've got a Soma M-
bar that I'd like to sell. It's not Nitto, but I think it's
functionally identical. It can be yours for $40 shipped.

-Wesley

On May 1, 5:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
>
> -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

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on 5/4/09 7:19 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote:



On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:56 PM, CycloFiend

> What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends
> (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal.

> Isn't that right, Jim?

Nope.  Found I had to drop them slightly for a comfortable wrist angle.
Seems to work better for climbing, too.

No, Jim, let me tell you what you *really* mean, not what you *think* you
mean.

Thanks Patrick.  Don't know what came over me back there...  ;^)

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:56 PM, CycloFiend
>
>
> > What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the
> ends
> > (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal.
>
> > Isn't that right, Jim?
>
> Nope.  Found I had to drop them slightly for a comfortable wrist angle.
> Seems to work better for climbing, too.


No, Jim, let me tell you what you *really* mean, not what you *think* you
mean.

Seriously (huh?), I find that perfectly level bars so minimize pressure -- I
think that this is because the bar spreads the pressure out over more
surface -- that I never wear padded gloves.

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

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on 5/3/09 12:46 PM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

>On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend  wrote:
>> I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a
>> significant difference.

> What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends
> (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal.

> Isn't that right, Jim?

Nope.  Found I had to drop them slightly for a comfortable wrist angle.
Seems to work better for climbing, too.

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Bill M.  wrote:

>
>
>
> On May 3, 12:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a
> > > significant difference.
> >
> > What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the
> ends
> > (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal.
> >
> > Isn't that right, Jim?
> >
> > Patrick "that's how I like them, anyway" Moore
>
> I don't!  IME the ends need to be below the hoods, and it took a while
> to find just the right angle.


Heretic! The ends of bars ought always to be plane-level with the ground.
Amen.

Patrick "ask me if I have any other opinions" Moore, who really does find
hooks and M bars and, when he used them, even mtb bar bar ends, more
comfortable perfectly level. (But who in reality has enough good sense to
realize that other people have other preferences and can't all live up to
his standardss.)

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Bill M.]

On May 3, 12:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
> > I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a
> > significant difference.
>
> What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends
> (pointing backward) perfectly horizontal.
>
> Isn't that right, Jim?
>
> Patrick "that's how I like them, anyway" Moore

I don't!  IME the ends need to be below the hoods, and it took a while
to find just the right angle.

Bill
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
>
>
> I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a
> significant difference.


What Jim is trying to say is, that M bars are most comfortable with the ends
(pointing backward) perfectly horizontal.

Isn't that right, Jim?

Patrick "that's how I like them, anyway" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:27 PM, nathan spindel  wrote:

>
> After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!


Why not raise the Noodles?

>
>
> -nathan
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

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on 5/3/09 7:25 AM, Bill M. at bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:

> If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little
> soreness might not be too unexpected.  I'd say keep the Noodles for
> now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter
> before swapping bars.  The Moustache is not likely to be the quick
> cure for you.

Yeah.  That's a non-inconsequential jump. More than doubled the amount of
saddle time, I'd guess. 10-30% increases are about the sweet spot for me.

Also, not to divert into a new thread, but for me, about 99.9% of low back
pain is related to stomach muscles. If I'm not doing core work, my low back
starts to feel it. Cycling does nothing directly for the core muscles, and
the longer the ride, the more load gets picked up by the low back.

Some crunches, certain yoga poses, leg lifts, ab machine, etc. are all a
good thing.  Even riding with an awareness and tightening your midsection
can help. Insert wide-ranging warnings about "be careful when you start" and
"watch your neck" here.
 
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Bill M.]

That's a nice m'bar offroad setup!  That long head tube really helps
get the bars up where they belong.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3567/3380067941_d71bda2892_b.jpg

Bill

On May 3, 7:59 am, Esteban  wrote:
> Mustache bars are great - especially off road and handy in harder
> efforts where you might lean more on your legs and want a wide, low
> position.  I've seen 'em set up high with a Dirt Drop stem, and that
> looks pretty comfortable.  But I like to ride on the ends and up at
> the bends when I'm really pushing the bike.
>
> Currently, I have my Rawland set up with them - like David - stem even
> with the saddle and ends about 3cm below:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d955e9
>
> Albatross bars and B66/B67 for upright comfort, joy riding!
>
> Noodles for all-around comfort, harder efforts,
>
> On May 3, 7:25 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Nathan,
>
> > If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little
> > soreness might not be too unexpected.  I'd say keep the Noodles for
> > now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter
> > before swapping bars.  The Moustache is not likely to be the quick
> > cure for you.
>
> > Careful saddle positioning may actually help.  I'm sure Mark got it
> > close, but close may not be perfect.  Saddle height, tilt and fore-aft
> > position are interdependent, and getting them all right can take a
> > little while.  Use a level, tape measure and plumb bob to track your
> > changes, the adjustments can be too small to eyeball.  Moving the nose
> > up or down as little as 1/16" can be felt, saddle height adjustments
> > of 1/8 likewise!  The plumb bob is to check setback, the horizontal
> > distance from the saddle nose to the center of the BB.  The sweet spot
> > will change a bit as the leather saddle ages, so you'll need to tinker
> > some to get it right.
>
> > The next step would be to see if your current stem should be shorter
> > and/or taller.  As I said above, I went to an 8 cm stem and swapped my
> > Noodle bar for a bar with less forward reach and less drop on my Riv
> > Road.  The reduced reach to the brake hoods took a lot of load off of
> > my arms and back.  Unfortunately I don't know of any silver short-
> > reach drops, so the Riv now has an ugly black painted bar (Ritchie
> > Biomax - nice tops and ramps, don't much like the drop sction).  Worse
> > yet, the bar with the bend I'd really like to use (3T Ergosum) only
> > comes with a 31.8 clamp, which would mean a black threadless stem and
> > a threaded to threadless adapter post, and I don't think I'd want to
> > do that to my Rivendell!
>
> > Bill
>
> > On May 2, 10:55 am, nathan  wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info.
>
> > > I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where
> > > Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been
> > > mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20
> > > mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and
> > > about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my
> > > back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop
> > > a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy
> > > I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a
> > > more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much /
> > > tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new
> > > bars and see if they make a difference on long rides.
>
> > > Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: 
> > > . You can see my bars are 
> > > just
> > > about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post
> > > are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…).
> > > I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto
> > > DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar.
>
> > > -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Esteban]

Mustache bars are great - especially off road and handy in harder
efforts where you might lean more on your legs and want a wide, low
position.  I've seen 'em set up high with a Dirt Drop stem, and that
looks pretty comfortable.  But I like to ride on the ends and up at
the bends when I'm really pushing the bike.

Currently, I have my Rawland set up with them - like David - stem even
with the saddle and ends about 3cm below:

http://tinyurl.com/d955e9

Albatross bars and B66/B67 for upright comfort, joy riding!

Noodles for all-around comfort, harder efforts,

On May 3, 7:25 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> Nathan,
>
> If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little
> soreness might not be too unexpected.  I'd say keep the Noodles for
> now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter
> before swapping bars.  The Moustache is not likely to be the quick
> cure for you.
>
> Careful saddle positioning may actually help.  I'm sure Mark got it
> close, but close may not be perfect.  Saddle height, tilt and fore-aft
> position are interdependent, and getting them all right can take a
> little while.  Use a level, tape measure and plumb bob to track your
> changes, the adjustments can be too small to eyeball.  Moving the nose
> up or down as little as 1/16" can be felt, saddle height adjustments
> of 1/8 likewise!  The plumb bob is to check setback, the horizontal
> distance from the saddle nose to the center of the BB.  The sweet spot
> will change a bit as the leather saddle ages, so you'll need to tinker
> some to get it right.
>
> The next step would be to see if your current stem should be shorter
> and/or taller.  As I said above, I went to an 8 cm stem and swapped my
> Noodle bar for a bar with less forward reach and less drop on my Riv
> Road.  The reduced reach to the brake hoods took a lot of load off of
> my arms and back.  Unfortunately I don't know of any silver short-
> reach drops, so the Riv now has an ugly black painted bar (Ritchie
> Biomax - nice tops and ramps, don't much like the drop sction).  Worse
> yet, the bar with the bend I'd really like to use (3T Ergosum) only
> comes with a 31.8 clamp, which would mean a black threadless stem and
> a threaded to threadless adapter post, and I don't think I'd want to
> do that to my Rivendell!
>
> Bill
>
> On May 2, 10:55 am, nathan  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info.
>
> > I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where
> > Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been
> > mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20
> > mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and
> > about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my
> > back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop
> > a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy
> > I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a
> > more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much /
> > tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new
> > bars and see if they make a difference on long rides.
>
> > Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: 
> > . You can see my bars are 
> > just
> > about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post
> > are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…).
> > I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto
> > DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar.
>
> > -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Bill M.]

Nathan,

If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little
soreness might not be too unexpected.  I'd say keep the Noodles for
now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter
before swapping bars.  The Moustache is not likely to be the quick
cure for you.

Careful saddle positioning may actually help.  I'm sure Mark got it
close, but close may not be perfect.  Saddle height, tilt and fore-aft
position are interdependent, and getting them all right can take a
little while.  Use a level, tape measure and plumb bob to track your
changes, the adjustments can be too small to eyeball.  Moving the nose
up or down as little as 1/16" can be felt, saddle height adjustments
of 1/8 likewise!  The plumb bob is to check setback, the horizontal
distance from the saddle nose to the center of the BB.  The sweet spot
will change a bit as the leather saddle ages, so you'll need to tinker
some to get it right.

The next step would be to see if your current stem should be shorter
and/or taller.  As I said above, I went to an 8 cm stem and swapped my
Noodle bar for a bar with less forward reach and less drop on my Riv
Road.  The reduced reach to the brake hoods took a lot of load off of
my arms and back.  Unfortunately I don't know of any silver short-
reach drops, so the Riv now has an ugly black painted bar (Ritchie
Biomax - nice tops and ramps, don't much like the drop sction).  Worse
yet, the bar with the bend I'd really like to use (3T Ergosum) only
comes with a 31.8 clamp, which would mean a black threadless stem and
a threaded to threadless adapter post, and I don't think I'd want to
do that to my Rivendell!

Bill


On May 2, 10:55 am, nathan  wrote:
> Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info.
>
> I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where
> Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been
> mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20
> mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and
> about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my
> back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop
> a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy
> I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a
> more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much /
> tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new
> bars and see if they make a difference on long rides.
>
> Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: 
> . You can see my bars are just
> about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post
> are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…).
> I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto
> DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar.
>
> -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Bill M.]

Charlie,

IMO,  B6x (I have a 66) saddles and Albatross bars are a perfect
match.  Both are best suited to a nearly upright riding position.  I
find it hard to get a Moustache high and close enough to be that
upright.

A shorter & taller stem may help with your hand discomfort on the
Moustache bars, especially if you're using a B67 with it.  The other
way I've successfully used a 'stache is with a bit narrower saddle
(B17 or Champion Flyer), and riding faster!  The harder you pedal, the
more your weight is borne by your legs, and the less by your hands and
rump.  For me, the Moustache works better in 'sporting' mode than in
'cruising' mode.  I suspect most of the fans of Moustache bars are
fairly strong riders.

If the Noodle gave you less discomfort, it may just be the better
choice for you.  My own fleet currently has bikes with Nitto Noodle,
Dream and Randonneur bars, two with different non-Nitto drop bars, and
none with Moustache bars.  I've had my 'staches on a couple of
different bikes and done up to 40 mile rides on them with no
discomfort when they were set up just right.  They worked well off-
road when I had them on the Riv Mountain/Expedition I sold this year.
In the end I keep going back to drops, so that should tell you
something about my ultimate preference.

BTW, if you like the general shape of a B17 but need the cushion of
springs, try a Champion Flyer.  It's basically a sprung B17.

Good luck!

Bill

On May 2, 6:40 pm, charlie  wrote:
> Yea..I tipped the angle down a bit more for a non-tweaked wrist
> and it seems to help but I only rode it about a mile. I don't notice
> discomfort unless I am riding more than about ten miles. I think I may
> use a more padded tape and I may try a shorter taller stem but then
> I'd have to change out my cables and housing again since I have them
> pretty ideal now. I do like how the bike handles in short 5 mile
> commutes in town and that is what I will primarily do with it.
> Occasionally I have to ride all the way home though and that puts me
> at 20+ miles so I hope I can get comfortable enough.  I'm wondering if
> any of you use a B67 or a B68 with a mustache bar and if you think it
> results in more comfort or is the position too stretched out and bent
> over for that. I've been unable to get comfortable on my B17's lately
> as I think I have bruised my tailbone on the rough roads. My one bike
> that has the properly set albatross bars and a B67 seems really
> comfortable and I want to get similar comfort on my main ride. Any
> experiences you all can offer with this combo would be enlightening
> I'm sure.
>
> On May 2, 7:16 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
>
>
> > on 5/2/09 6:56 AM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is
> > > still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I
> > > had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My
> > > mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a
> > > 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem.
>
> > I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a
> > significant difference. Mine is set up lower and more forward than it
> > probably should be, but it was a comfortable addition to the bike it's on.
> > But I recall at least three rides where I was messing with the angle before
> > finding that spot.
>
> > - Jim
>
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Jim Cloud]

I've had a set of the Mustache handlebars on my Schwinn Paramount for
a number of years.  I purchased them before Rivendell was founded from
a local (Tucson) Bridgestone bicycle dealer, after Grant had designed
his iconic XO-1.
Here's a photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3494987260/

I ran this bicycle, during this period, for a time with a set of the
older Nitto handlebars that Grant recommended before introducing the
"Dream" bars (they're the Nitto Model 185).  For rides of moderate
distance, especially along bike paths or in town, I think Mustache
bars work quite well.  I usually ride with my hands gripping the bars
right at the bends or resting on top of the gummed hoods.
Occasionally I do use the hand position at the ends of the bars, but
not frequently.

For rides of a longer distance (e.g. >20 miles), I don't particularly
recommend a Mustache bar.  I think a conventional drop bar works
better.  The thing I miss most with a Mustache bar is the position
afforded with a normal drop bar gripping the bars close to the stem.
This position really is not available for a Mustache bar.

My two cents.

Jim

On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
>
> -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[David Estes]

Maybe it was just the extra distance and it wouldn't matter what kind of
bars you had.

If you want to be more upright, Albatross bars are a better bet than
M-bars.  I don't feel much/any more upright with them than with Dirt Drops,
and miss the "drop" position on longer rides.

Cheers,
DE

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM, nathan  wrote:

>
> Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info.
>
> I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where
> Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been
> mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20
> mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and
> about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my
> back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop
> a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy
> I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a
> more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much /
> tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new
> bars and see if they make a difference on long rides.
>
> Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday:  www.flickr.com/photos/natan/3492115283/>. You can see my bars are just
> about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post
> are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…).
> I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto
> DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar.
>
> -nathan
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[nathan]

Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info.

I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where
Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been
mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20
mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and
about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my
back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop
a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy
I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a
more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much /
tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new
bars and see if they make a difference on long rides.

Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: . You can see my bars are just
about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post
are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…).
I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto
DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar.

-nathan

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[charlie]

Yea..I tipped the angle down a bit more for a non-tweaked wrist
and it seems to help but I only rode it about a mile. I don't notice
discomfort unless I am riding more than about ten miles. I think I may
use a more padded tape and I may try a shorter taller stem but then
I'd have to change out my cables and housing again since I have them
pretty ideal now. I do like how the bike handles in short 5 mile
commutes in town and that is what I will primarily do with it.
Occasionally I have to ride all the way home though and that puts me
at 20+ miles so I hope I can get comfortable enough.  I'm wondering if
any of you use a B67 or a B68 with a mustache bar and if you think it
results in more comfort or is the position too stretched out and bent
over for that. I've been unable to get comfortable on my B17's lately
as I think I have bruised my tailbone on the rough roads. My one bike
that has the properly set albatross bars and a B67 seems really
comfortable and I want to get similar comfort on my main ride. Any
experiences you all can offer with this combo would be enlightening
I'm sure.

On May 2, 7:16 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 5/2/09 6:56 AM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is
> > still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I
> > had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My
> > mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a
> > 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem.
>
> I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a
> significant difference. Mine is set up lower and more forward than it
> probably should be, but it was a comfortable addition to the bike it's on.
> But I recall at least three rides where I was messing with the angle before
> finding that spot.
>
> - Jim
>
> --
> Jim Edgar
> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
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> Singlespeed - Working Bikes
>
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>
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> Not cardboard with some crazy aramid shit wrapped around it, weighs about as
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Mojo]

I bought a too small AllRounder back in '96. http://tinyurl.com/cuuynn
(I was thinking off-road use when buying the 58cm, but later Grant put
me on a 61.5cm road frame, to give you some idea of how too small it
is.) I put mustache bars on it that ended up being 3 inches below the
saddle with a Pearl stem. After a few years I decided I hated mustache
bars (duh!). Maybe I would like them at or above saddle height, but I
am not trying again. Besides my wrong placement, I missed the top
flats.

But that is not why I am writing. When I rode the mustache, I often
just lightly rested my hands on the tops of the bars or the brake
levers, not hooking a thumb or finger underneath as I do when riding
drops or flat bars. This was fine for years. But one day, in the
summer of 1997, I saw a shapely young cyclist up the road. So of
course I accelerated to overtake. I failed to notice a speed bump, and
as I hit it, my hands flew off the bars and off I went the front end
of the bike. The too low bars put a dent in the top tube. The road
scraped lots of flesh off my left arm. The impact broke both cups of
the ends of the radius (or ulna, I don't know which is what in my
forearm) of my right arm. It hurt like hell to ride back home, and for
a month thereafter. The arm pops on rare occasion to this day when I
straighten my arm (calcium buildup along the cup crack?).

So the moral of this story is something like, not to stay away from
the mustache, but keep your hormones in check, or keep your thumb
hooked under your mustache, or maybe both!

On May 1, 7:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
>
> -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Bruce]

Yes, that's it. Thanks Jeremy.  I've bookmarked the link. I actually can lay 
right down on the bar for a downhill, but have no pics :)





From: Jeremy Till 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 10:46:44 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar


This is the image of the rider getting aero on moustache bars:

http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/images/xo1-rba-8-91.jpg

It's pineapple bob, who worked at bstone, was featured in many bstone
catalogs, and still works at RBW.


  
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Jeremy Till]

This is the image of the rider getting aero on moustache bars:

http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/images/xo1-rba-8-91.jpg

It's pineapple bob, who worked at bstone, was featured in many bstone
catalogs, and still works at RBW.

On May 2, 6:55 am, Bruce  wrote:
> The mustache affords a surprisingly aero position when laying flat on it as 
> well. It's easy to get over 40 mph on a downhill with mustahce bars around 
> here. Actually easier than on my noodle equipped bikes. The posture takes 
> little time to get used to. There's a picture of a racer doing just this in a 
> Bridgestone catalog. I can't remember where i saw it. I think the rider in 
> that photo later worked/still works? at RBW.
>
> 
> From: Len Lescosky <172tur...@gmail.com>
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 8:33:16 AM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar
>
> Oooo, the moustache bar debate. I've had a moustache bar on my Heron
> Touring since I bought it, which was 1997 or 1998, and I've loved it.
> Primarily I ride this bike to commute to work or for shopping. It's an
> intown bike that I usually ride twenty or fewer miles on an outing.
> I've also put fatter tires on it and ridden fire roads and single
> track. I love the bar on this bike, it is perfect. So perfect that
> I've tried the moustache on other road bikes and could not make it
> work. I never could decide what it was about the set up on the other
> bikes that was wrong. I tried to get the handlebar and saddle
> positions the same, but still it didn't work. It just did not seem
> balanced.
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[carnerda...@bellsouth.net]

http://tinyurl.com/cvxduy
My current M-bar setup. Far less "neat" looking than the traditional 
setup, but is much more upright and I find comfortable.

David Estes wrote:
> FWIW, I have the clamp level with my seat, so the ends are probably 
> 3cm below that... YMMV
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:56 AM, charlie  > wrote:
>
>
> I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is
> still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I
> had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My
> mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a
> 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. In town the bar was
> great with good braking control and a stable feel. I have one other
> bike with an albatross bar and a B67 that is simply the most
> comfortable bike I own. I remain frustrated and $100 poorer. As one
> other poster said I am 50 and overweight so perhaps there is nothing
> that will give me comfort for rides over about 15 miles.
>
> On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel  > wrote:
> > After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was
> more
> > upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> > size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
> >
> > -nathan
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> >

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[David Estes]

FWIW, I have the clamp level with my seat, so the ends are probably 3cm
below that... YMMV

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:56 AM, charlie  wrote:

>
> I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is
> still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I
> had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My
> mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a
> 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. In town the bar was
> great with good braking control and a stable feel. I have one other
> bike with an albatross bar and a B67 that is simply the most
> comfortable bike I own. I remain frustrated and $100 poorer. As one
> other poster said I am 50 and overweight so perhaps there is nothing
> that will give me comfort for rides over about 15 miles.
>
> On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> > After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> > upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> > size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
> >
> > -nathan
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

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on 5/2/09 6:56 AM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

> 
> I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is
> still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I
> had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My
> mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a
> 90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem.

I found with my moustache bar setup that minute changes of angle made a
significant difference. Mine is set up lower and more forward than it
probably should be, but it was a comfortable addition to the bike it's on.
But I recall at least three rides where I was messing with the angle before
finding that spot.

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[charlie]

I just put mustache bars on my Surly Trucker and so far the jury is
still out on them. I rode home from work yesterday (20 miles) and I
had more wrist and hand discomfort than with my noodle bars. My
mustache bars are 1 inch higher at the ends than my saddle and I use a
90mm stem. I may try a shorter and taller stem. In town the bar was
great with good braking control and a stable feel. I have one other
bike with an albatross bar and a B67 that is simply the most
comfortable bike I own. I remain frustrated and $100 poorer. As one
other poster said I am 50 and overweight so perhaps there is nothing
that will give me comfort for rides over about 15 miles.

On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
>
> -nathan
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[Bruce]

The mustache affords a surprisingly aero position when laying flat on it as 
well. It's easy to get over 40 mph on a downhill with mustahce bars around 
here. Actually easier than on my noodle equipped bikes. The posture takes 
little time to get used to. There's a picture of a racer doing just this in a 
Bridgestone catalog. I can't remember where i saw it. I think the rider in that 
photo later worked/still works? at RBW. 





From: Len Lescosky <172tur...@gmail.com>
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 8:33:16 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar


Oooo, the moustache bar debate. I've had a moustache bar on my Heron
Touring since I bought it, which was 1997 or 1998, and I've loved it.
Primarily I ride this bike to commute to work or for shopping. It's an
intown bike that I usually ride twenty or fewer miles on an outing.
I've also put fatter tires on it and ridden fire roads and single
track. I love the bar on this bike, it is perfect. So perfect that
I've tried the moustache on other road bikes and could not make it
work. I never could decide what it was about the set up on the other
bikes that was wrong. I tried to get the handlebar and saddle
positions the same, but still it didn't work. It just did not seem
balanced.


  
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Len Lescosky]

Oooo, the moustache bar debate. I've had a moustache bar on my Heron
Touring since I bought it, which was 1997 or 1998, and I've loved it.
Primarily I ride this bike to commute to work or for shopping. It's an
intown bike that I usually ride twenty or fewer miles on an outing.
I've also put fatter tires on it and ridden fire roads and single
track. I love the bar on this bike, it is perfect. So perfect that
I've tried the moustache on other road bikes and could not make it
work. I never could decide what it was about the set up on the other
bikes that was wrong. I tried to get the handlebar and saddle
positions the same, but still it didn't work. It just did not seem
balanced.

You should use a shorter and taller stem with the moustache. You will
be a little bit higher than with the noodle. The moustache is not
flat, it swoops down a little, but because you never need to reach
down to shift like you would on a drop bar it feels like you are more
upright. For full upright you could go to the Albatross. I have one of
those on a bike too, and it does sit me up a lot more. I feel like I
go faster and have better control with the moustache though.

Len

On May 1, 9:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
>
> -nathan
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[David Estes]

I run M-bars w/ a 2cm shorter stem extension.  Same height as with other
bars.  The position on the very ends definitely gives you a different
position that drops can't provide.  It's lower than the stem (~2cm) but
maybe 4cm closer to you:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2536686586/in/set-72157605369032545/

Worth a try, but I would recommend getting a shorter stem to go with it as
well.

Cheers,
DE

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Bill M.  wrote:

>
> Nathan,
>
> Not to be discouraging, but IMO a Moustache bar will not necessarily
> give you a more upright position.  If you use the same stem, the wide
> grips of the 'stash will actually be lower than the ramps of the
> Noodle, the forward section will be pretty far forward, and you won't
> have the tops to let you sit up at all.  Grant used to recommend using
> a stem maybe 4 cm shorter with a Moustache than with a drop bar.  I
> find I need a Moustache to be set both close and well above saddle
> height, and it still works best for me when riding briskly.  I like it
> for a while, but gravitate back to a drop bar when I start to miss
> having the tops.  Mine is in the spare parts bin for now, but I'm sure
> I'll try it again on some bike or another.
>
> How high are your Noodles set now?  You might consider using a taller
> and/or shorter stem with the Noodles first, like a Technomic or a Dirt
> Drop.  You'll probably want a stem like that anyway if you ever
> convert to a moustache.
>
> On my Riv Road, I went from a 10 cm stem to an 8, then went from a
> Noodle to a bar with less forward reach.  Overall the hoods moved
> about 4 cm closer to the saddle, and I was more comfortable on the
> bike.  Of course, I'm 50 years old, and 20 pounds heavier and somewhat
> less flexible than I was when I bought the bike 14 years ago!
>
> Oh, and don't forget, a 25.4 Moustache (like mine) with a shim will
> work fine, too.  Riv sells the Nitto steel shim, or you can get 0.010"
> brass shim stock at the hardware store and that works fine, too.  And
> if you really want upright, skip the Moustache and try an Albatross
> instead.
>
> Bill
>
> On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> > After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> > upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> > size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
> >
> > -nathan
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Looking for Nitto Moustache bar

[Bill M.]

Nathan,

Not to be discouraging, but IMO a Moustache bar will not necessarily
give you a more upright position.  If you use the same stem, the wide
grips of the 'stash will actually be lower than the ramps of the
Noodle, the forward section will be pretty far forward, and you won't
have the tops to let you sit up at all.  Grant used to recommend using
a stem maybe 4 cm shorter with a Moustache than with a drop bar.  I
find I need a Moustache to be set both close and well above saddle
height, and it still works best for me when riding briskly.  I like it
for a while, but gravitate back to a drop bar when I start to miss
having the tops.  Mine is in the spare parts bin for now, but I'm sure
I'll try it again on some bike or another.

How high are your Noodles set now?  You might consider using a taller
and/or shorter stem with the Noodles first, like a Technomic or a Dirt
Drop.  You'll probably want a stem like that anyway if you ever
convert to a moustache.

On my Riv Road, I went from a 10 cm stem to an 8, then went from a
Noodle to a bar with less forward reach.  Overall the hoods moved
about 4 cm closer to the saddle, and I was more comfortable on the
bike.  Of course, I'm 50 years old, and 20 pounds heavier and somewhat
less flexible than I was when I bought the bike 14 years ago!

Oh, and don't forget, a 25.4 Moustache (like mine) with a shim will
work fine, too.  Riv sells the Nitto steel shim, or you can get 0.010"
brass shim stock at the hardware store and that works fine, too.  And
if you really want upright, skip the Moustache and try an Albatross
instead.

Bill

On May 1, 6:27 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> After a long morning ride today with a Noodle bar, wishing I was more
> upright, I'm now looking to buy a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0mm clamp
> size). Let me know if you've got one for sale!
>
> -nathan
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