[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
I mentioned it on your flickr page and I'll repeat it here: you're on a slippery slope my friend. What's next? Cycling shoes and clipless pedals? Bib shorts? No fenders? No bags or racks? I no how it goes and it's okay. Kinda nice to have a simple quick unencumbered road machine. Enjoy. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
Be careful with the Brooks saddle. I've ever found the B17 to be comfortable on long rides with lower bars. I don't think the saddle is ideal for that. The raise the bars philosophy works with the B17s are the greatest saddles in the world philosophy pretty well, but it's hard to change one without changing the other. I set up my Rambouillet as my fast bike and am using a Brooks Pro Classic and like it lot. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
Hey, man, I've already slid down that slope, and it ain't all that bad. Really. Actually, it's a rather fun slide! I know what Joe is saying about the B17. I found the same thing when I moved from bars-above-saddle to bars-below-saddle. The solution (or solutions) were simple: first tried a Brooks Team Pro and it worked well; then tried a San Marco Regal and it was even better. A slippery slope indeed! On Apr 17, 10:04 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned it on your flickr page and I'll repeat it here: you're on a slippery slope my friend. What's next? Cycling shoes and clipless pedals? Bib shorts? No fenders? No bags or racks? I no how it goes and it's okay. Kinda nice to have a simple quick unencumbered road machine. Enjoy. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
I concur. Look at the Toupe saddle on my orange Ram: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/4228026345/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/4228790514/ And on a slightly loaded overnighter bike! It's one of those saddles that comes in a slightly wider but not too wide size. I like it. -Original Message- From: Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com then tried a San Marco Regal and it was even better. A slippery slope indeed! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
I think it all depends on how long your arms and torso are relative to your height not forgetting your age, weight and flexibility. I know I have short arms, am overweight, old and inflexible so my bikes are all odd looking to most with a bar height of 2- 3 cm higher than the saddle. I'm fine with that and I can ride a low bar bike for 10 miles but I am not comfortable and would have numb hands on a longer ride. I agree with Grants ideas on bar height in general as it is what allowed me to ride an upright bike again in comfort. Go Rivendell ! On Apr 17, 9:47 am, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: OK. I know this is blasphemy on this list... but upon Aaron's urging, I've lowered the bars on the Romulus. I've been riding it comfortably with the h'bars about 1-2cm below the saddle. I lowered it to about 6cm below to see how it would feel. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4526555771/ I think I'll raise 'em a bit more to fit a bell in there :) Took the bike on a fast 50 miler Friday afternoon, and it felt great! With the 28mm Paselas on there, the bike just felt zippy and I felt more powerful. For fast riding, its worth a try if you haven't already. Its also nice, with the quill stem, to raise it! So... this does not negate the raise d'bars philosophy... just adds to it Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
Lower handlebars has been one of those things I forgot to try as I became smaller, more flexible and more fit. It finally hit me that I might/could/should... and -then- did. It feels very good. I started out with my bars VERY high compared to saddle height. At 501 pounds it was necessary. Slowly my saddle came up, and once that was perfected -height wise-, and I was finding myself smaller and more flexible, the bars went down. It's all an odd and slow process: the realization that you can do things once thought impossible or impractical. Like a 2nd Life really. Nothing happens fast, but then you realize it is all within your grasp to do or try. You fit into chairs and seats, you can sit 'Indian Style' and stand straight up off the floor from that position, you can look at a map and realize you're 60 miles from home and on- bike... you get worried for a minute because your brain is the last guy on the deal-team to remember all the changes and work you've put in, and then it hits you, Oh, no big deal. I can do this too. At 164 pounds these days, I can ride in a lot of different positions with zero problems or any inklings of aches or pains. I even rode a 'Roadie's bike the other day... all carbon fibre, handlebars crazy low, saddle crazy high... and it was fun as all get out. I'd love to -someday- have a full-on carbon fibre race bike for all out fun. Never be able to afford one, but it would be fun. I remember in my earliest days of starting to ride re-enter Life, thinking that I would 'dial-in' my bike in a day or two. Funny. Talking to Peter White and my good pal Bob Brown [the guy who built my bike] back then, they both said that dialing in a bike takes years and years of riding. I couldn't imagine what they were talking about... now, after nearly 5 years of riding, and almost making it to 20K in mileage last year alone, I would have to firmly agree with them both now. I am still finding tweaks and adjustments that suit me these days. It's endless... but in a good way. Slow processes are the best processes of all, I think. -Scott On Apr 17, 9:47 am, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: OK. I know this is blasphemy on this list... but upon Aaron's urging, I've lowered the bars on the Romulus. I've been riding it comfortably with the h'bars about 1-2cm below the saddle. I lowered it to about 6cm below to see how it would feel. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4526555771/ I think I'll raise 'em a bit more to fit a bell in there :) Took the bike on a fast 50 miler Friday afternoon, and it felt great! With the 28mm Paselas on there, the bike just felt zippy and I felt more powerful. For fast riding, its worth a try if you haven't already. Its also nice, with the quill stem, to raise it! So... this does not negate the raise d'bars philosophy... just adds to it Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
Aaron's pretty subversive. Should we brand him a heretic now or wait until the next So Cal ride? Oh, wait; almost forgot - any bike, any time. We'll make him the designated carbon rider. Seriously, the whole issue of bike fit is so complex, with so many contradictory theories, it's best to keep an open mind and make it comfortable for you. Of course, an open wallet helps too as you collect stems, handlebars, and seats. :). dougP On Apr 17, 1:29 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Lower handlebars has been one of those things I forgot to try as I became smaller, more flexible and more fit. It finally hit me that I might/could/should... and -then- did. It feels very good. I started out with my bars VERY high compared to saddle height. At 501 pounds it was necessary. Slowly my saddle came up, and once that was perfected -height wise-, and I was finding myself smaller and more flexible, the bars went down. It's all an odd and slow process: the realization that you can do things once thought impossible or impractical. Like a 2nd Life really. Nothing happens fast, but then you realize it is all within your grasp to do or try. You fit into chairs and seats, you can sit 'Indian Style' and stand straight up off the floor from that position, you can look at a map and realize you're 60 miles from home and on- bike... you get worried for a minute because your brain is the last guy on the deal-team to remember all the changes and work you've put in, and then it hits you, Oh, no big deal. I can do this too. At 164 pounds these days, I can ride in a lot of different positions with zero problems or any inklings of aches or pains. I even rode a 'Roadie's bike the other day... all carbon fibre, handlebars crazy low, saddle crazy high... and it was fun as all get out. I'd love to -someday- have a full-on carbon fibre race bike for all out fun. Never be able to afford one, but it would be fun. I remember in my earliest days of starting to ride re-enter Life, thinking that I would 'dial-in' my bike in a day or two. Funny. Talking to Peter White and my good pal Bob Brown [the guy who built my bike] back then, they both said that dialing in a bike takes years and years of riding. I couldn't imagine what they were talking about... now, after nearly 5 years of riding, and almost making it to 20K in mileage last year alone, I would have to firmly agree with them both now. I am still finding tweaks and adjustments that suit me these days. It's endless... but in a good way. Slow processes are the best processes of all, I think. -Scott On Apr 17, 9:47 am, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: OK. I know this is blasphemy on this list... but upon Aaron's urging, I've lowered the bars on the Romulus. I've been riding it comfortably with the h'bars about 1-2cm below the saddle. I lowered it to about 6cm below to see how it would feel. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4526555771/ I think I'll raise 'em a bit more to fit a bell in there :) Took the bike on a fast 50 miler Friday afternoon, and it felt great! With the 28mm Paselas on there, the bike just felt zippy and I felt more powerful. For fast riding, its worth a try if you haven't already. Its also nice, with the quill stem, to raise it! So... this does not negate the raise d'bars philosophy... just adds to it Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
Totally. But after 15 years of working on and setting up bikes and buying the occasional stem and bar, now when I get to work on a bike set up, my own stem and handlebar stash is a bit like going to a retro bike shop. So many combinations: Hmm I've never tried the Nitto Dynamic II and dirtdrops on the bike with a slightly too short toptube...Maybe that will work... I used to do trig and geometry to decide what should theoretically work, but recently, I've been going more by gestalt. -Jim W. -Original Message- From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net Of course, an open wallet helps too as you collect stems, handlebars, and seats. :). dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I think it all depends on how long your arms and torso are relative to your height not forgetting your age, weight and flexibility. I've got my bars 2 cm below saddle on all my bikes except the Sam Hill and the Monocog (1/2 - 1 cm higher, but far more forward thanks to the much longer tts and, on the SH, the much longer stem, with short arms for my height and 55 years to my name. I think a saddle rearward position makes huge difference in low bar comfort. I am as stiff as a board, btw -- haven't been able to get within 4 of my toes since 1995. But I find that a low position, as in the hooks of bars placed as above, makes a great difference not only in speed when you are riding a single gear into a stiff wind, but brings into play certainly muscles that you don't use otherwise. I just replaced the B17 on the Sam Hill with a NOS Turbo and the comfort improvement was striking. I now use Turbos on the highbar bikes, and Flites on all my lowbar bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
I mean, Two Inches below saddle, about 5 cm. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.comwrote: I think it all depends on how long your arms and torso are relative to your height not forgetting your age, weight and flexibility. I've got my bars 2 cm below saddle on all my bikes except the Sam Hill and the Monocog (1/2 - 1 cm higher, but far more forward thanks to the much longer tts and, on the SH, the much longer stem, with short arms for my height and 55 years to my name. I think a saddle rearward position makes huge difference in low bar comfort. I am as stiff as a board, btw -- haven't been able to get within 4 of my toes since 1995. But I find that a low position, as in the hooks of bars placed as above, makes a great difference not only in speed when you are riding a single gear into a stiff wind, but brings into play certainly muscles that you don't use otherwise. I just replaced the B17 on the Sam Hill with a NOS Turbo and the comfort improvement was striking. I now use Turbos on the highbar bikes, and Flites on all my lowbar bikes. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
Nathan - I did intend to tilt the B17 forward a bit... but so far, it feels fine. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 17, 6:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I mean, Two Inches below saddle, about 5 cm. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.comwrote: I think it all depends on how long your arms and torso are relative to your height not forgetting your age, weight and flexibility. I've got my bars 2 cm below saddle on all my bikes except the Sam Hill and the Monocog (1/2 - 1 cm higher, but far more forward thanks to the much longer tts and, on the SH, the much longer stem, with short arms for my height and 55 years to my name. I think a saddle rearward position makes huge difference in low bar comfort. I am as stiff as a board, btw -- haven't been able to get within 4 of my toes since 1995. But I find that a low position, as in the hooks of bars placed as above, makes a great difference not only in speed when you are riding a single gear into a stiff wind, but brings into play certainly muscles that you don't use otherwise. I just replaced the B17 on the Sam Hill with a NOS Turbo and the comfort improvement was striking. I now use Turbos on the highbar bikes, and Flites on all my lowbar bikes. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
On Apr 17, 10:47 am, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: OK. I know this is blasphemy on this list... but upon Aaron's urging, I've lowered the bars on the Romulus. I've been riding it comfortably with the h'bars about 1-2cm below the saddle. I lowered it to about 6cm below to see how it would feel. You are getting into threadless steerer territory there, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
I love the way the dark honey leather (and shellac?) contrasts with the blue. Beautiful. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
On Apr 17, 11:10 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Be careful with the Brooks saddle. I've ever found the B17 to be comfortable on long rides with lower bars. I don't think the saddle is ideal for that. The raise the bars philosophy works with the B17s are the greatest saddles in the world philosophy pretty well, but it's hard to change one without changing the other. I set up my Rambouillet as my fast bike and am using a Brooks Pro Classic and like it lot. Why no bag loops on the Pro Classic? Shouldn't that be the first thing they put on any Brooks saddle? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
On Apr 17, 2:29 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: At 164 pounds these days, I can ride in a lot of different positions with zero problems or any inklings of aches or pains. The other side of the coin: I have never ridden without neck and back ache. I've been searching for 15+ years, and I haven't found a solution. Congratulations on the 164. Truly inspirational. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
Could these loops be the ticket for racey saddlebagging? http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCEqProduct.jsp?spid=47230 If so, I might be tempted to spend $450 in saddles. (I'm a Toupe fan. It must be a mid-life crisis.) -Jim W. -Original Message- From: Esteban proto...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Lower d'bars Nathan - I did intend to tilt the B17 forward a bit... but so far, it feels fine. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 17, 6:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I mean, Two Inches below saddle, about 5 cm. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.comwrote: I think it all depends on how long your arms and torso are relative to your height not forgetting your age, weight and flexibility. I've got my bars 2 cm below saddle on all my bikes except the Sam Hill and the Monocog (1/2 - 1 cm higher, but far more forward thanks to the much longer tts and, on the SH, the much longer stem, with short arms for my height and 55 years to my name. I think a saddle rearward position makes huge difference in low bar comfort. I am as stiff as a board, btw -- haven't been able to get within 4 of my toes since 1995. But I find that a low position, as in the hooks of bars placed as above, makes a great difference not only in speed when you are riding a single gear into a stiff wind, but brings into play certainly muscles that you don't use otherwise. I just replaced the B17 on the Sam Hill with a NOS Turbo and the comfort improvement was striking. I now use Turbos on the highbar bikes, and Flites on all my lowbar bikes. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lower d'bars
On Apr 17, 12:10 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I concur. Look at the Toupe saddle on my orange Ram: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/4228790514/ Wow. What a picture! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
