[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Scott McLain]

I smile every chance I get to ride my AHH.  I can't think of a more 
satisfying purchase I have made.  

Scott

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 7:40:16 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I'm afraid I have to agree with the person who said that having a nice bike 
makes it easier or inviting to just add more bikes of a higher level.  I 
enjoy the heck out of my bikes because I have found that quality 
bikes just perform better and have a wonderful feel to them.  Kind of the 
you get what you pay for idea.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:47:37 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/12/2016 10:20 PM, eflayer wrote: 
> > Someone once said variety is the spice of life. Buying and holding a 
> > single bike does not align with that philosophy. I've owned many many 
> > fine bikes over the last 15 years and have enjoyed the adventure of 
> > learning about and riding a variety of styles, materials, and price 
> > points. My favorite of the 35 or so is my custom ti made in a far away 
> > eastern foreign land. 
>
> On the contrary: adding 5 others, all different and excellent in their 
> variously different ways, is exactly the way to add variety and spice to 
> life! 
>
> You've owned 35 bikes in 15 years?  OMG!  I'll bet that was expensive! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/12/2016 10:20 PM, eflayer wrote:
Someone once said variety is the spice of life. Buying and holding a 
single bike does not align with that philosophy. I've owned many many 
fine bikes over the last 15 years and have enjoyed the adventure of 
learning about and riding a variety of styles, materials, and price 
points. My favorite of the 35 or so is my custom ti made in a far away 
eastern foreign land.


On the contrary: adding 5 others, all different and excellent in their 
variously different ways, is exactly the way to add variety and spice to 
life!


You've owned 35 bikes in 15 years?  OMG!  I'll bet that was expensive!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/13/2016 06:14 AM, ascpgh wrote:
It's fun to realize how little some of the other stuff matters when 
the frame and fork check off all of your needs and wants, every ride. 
RIv's staff bikes' and the amount of beausage look like advertising of 
just how good the frame and fork are.


My wife is annually frustrated by my response when she asks if "this 
is a new bike year?"


Is this a matter of



? :-)


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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Garth]

  That does not surprise me either .  And also, to be able to shop in 
person, to see and feel whatever it is in person.  I live in an area 
without the wide choice an urban/suburban area offers and rather miss it.  
Online shopping is just so different, so "virtual" .   Here I am sitting in 
front of a table on the floor, tapping on a plastic keyboard, looking out 
the window.  Hmmm  how odd .   It's like the difference between riding 
the bike, and looking a images of riding the bike, one full of life, the 
other rather empty, like eating junk food , you keep eating but never are 
satisfied. Like thinking about life but never fully being Life itself. 

 Man oh man . .  .  .  



On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> It's been said that, in the long run, it's often cheaper to pay retail.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 6:40:16 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
>> 
>>  
>> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
>> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[ascpgh]

It's fun to realize how little some of the other stuff matters when the 
frame and fork check off all of your needs and wants, every ride. RIv's 
staff bikes' and the amount of beausage look like advertising of just how 
good the frame and fork are.

My wife is annually frustrated by my response when she asks if "this is a 
new bike year?"

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 9:57:48 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/12/2016 07:15 PM, Will wrote: 
> > I'll never forget my wife's first comment about my Atlantis. She 
> > said... "oh my god... it's f***king beautiful". 
> > 
>
> And the best part is, you keep feeling that, year after year. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

Re:my wife's bike. We are now in our 60's ( 64 and 65 ), but in our 50's we 
road a lot (6-7000 miles a year). We had to rebuild her Campy shifters 
several times and had to replace wheel sets, and finally replaced the Campy 
triple group with a Shimano Ultegra 6800 11sp group. But the frameset will 
remain her favorite forever.
In my experience, a well built and well designed bike is a great 
investment. Heck, we even had her Rex repainted.
Don C.

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 6:40:16 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Thumbs up on that, Steve!

Cheers
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 4:43:30 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote: 
> > Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the 
> really expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. 
> Inevitably, I am still not satisfied and eventually I  will plunk down the 
> money to get what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first 
> place. 
> > Also, if you  really love something, chances are others will too, so 
> that thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate 
> in value while you use it!  $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years 
> which do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess!  
> > 
>
> The way you really win is to stay with it.  Over a 10 or 20 year 
> ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike becomes 
> reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of constant 
> churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every couple 
> of years. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[eflayer]

Someone once said variety is the spice of life. Buying and holding a single 
bike does not align with that philosophy. I've owned many many fine bikes 
over the last 15 years and have enjoyed the adventure of learning about and 
riding a variety of styles, materials, and price points. My favorite of the 
35 or so is my custom ti made in a far away eastern foreign land.

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 6:40:16 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/12/2016 07:15 PM, Will wrote:
I'll never forget my wife's first comment about my Atlantis. She 
said... "oh my god... it's f***king beautiful".




And the best part is, you keep feeling that, year after year.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[dstein]

That's great and all said and done unless you're like me and you 
essentially just raised the bar on what a bike costs, and then 2 or 3 more 
of those later

Thankfully rivendell's hold a lot of their value and a few mistakes (bikes 
I didn't like as much as I thought) didn't cost my too much in the end. I 
consider it a rental fee :)

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

I bought a custom Steve Rex for my wife 8-9 years ago. We spent about 
$5000. My wife is 5'1"and needed a custom frame set. She has nevered even 
considered wanting another bike. It really fits the author's experience.
Don C.

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 6:40:16 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Will]

I'll never forget my wife's first comment about my Atlantis. She said... 
"oh my god... it's f***king beautiful". 

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 8:40:16 AM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/12/2016 05:33 PM, 'Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

I don't know who said it first:  "Buy the best, cry once."

Of course, a caveat, "best" is subjective.  I have found that 
statement to be true for many things:  hand tools, hiking/camping gear 
and clothing, eye and ear protection, my Rivendell, and a lot more 
items I will remember once I post this.


I am a dyed-in-the-wool cheapskate for a lot of other things, just to 
be clear.  Certainly not a fan of overspending for the most part.




"Best" can be completely objective, too: you just need criteria and a 
way to measure.  Cost-effective is one way to measure "best". Most 
expensive != "best", best is best but it can also be the most expensive.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/12/2016 05:45 PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:
very very true...and when you consider that if you commute by bike 
...think of busfare and gas you're not spending


Never mind bus fare, think of the $12-15 (at least, that's what it was 
at least 10 years ago!) daily car parking fee.  That adds up fast.  I 
relied on that when I bought a top of the line touring bike for my 
commuter; I figure I paid for the bike in savings in about a year and a 
half.





but if it gives you joy every time you look at it and ride it then 
it's a great investment


No, *and* it gives you joy every time you look at it and ride, so it is 
doubly a great investment!





On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 3:43:30 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote:
> Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch
for the really expensive thing I want, with something good, but
not what I want. Inevitably, I am still not satisfied and
eventually I  will plunk down the money to get what I want!
Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first place.
> Also, if you  really love something, chances are others will
too, so that thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or
even appreciate in value while you use it!  $1,600. Appaloosa Vs
$1,600 trek, in 15 years which do you think is going to be worth
more!? One guess! 
>

The way you really win is to stay with it.  Over a 10 or 20 year
ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike
becomes
reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of
constant
churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every
couple
of years.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't know who said it first:  "Buy the best, cry once."

Of course, a caveat, "best" is subjective.  I have found that statement to 
be true for many things:  hand tools, hiking/camping gear and clothing, eye 
and ear protection, my Rivendell, and a lot more items I will remember once 
I post this.

I am a dyed-in-the-wool cheapskate for a lot of other things, just to be 
clear.  Certainly not a fan of overspending for the most part.

Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Kellie]

This is why I finally bought my Atlantis! 

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 6:40:16 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Ryan Fleming]

very very true...and when you consider that if you commute by bike ...think 
of busfare and gas you're not spending

but if it gives you joy every time you look at it and ride it then it's a 
great investment

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 3:43:30 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote: 
> > Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the 
> really expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. 
> Inevitably, I am still not satisfied and eventually I  will plunk down the 
> money to get what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first 
> place. 
> > Also, if you  really love something, chances are others will too, so 
> that thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate 
> in value while you use it!  $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years 
> which do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess!  
> > 
>
> The way you really win is to stay with it.  Over a 10 or 20 year 
> ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike becomes 
> reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of constant 
> churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every couple 
> of years. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/12/2016 04:29 PM, masmojo wrote:

Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the really 
expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. Inevitably, I 
am still not satisfied and eventually I  will plunk down the money to get what 
I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first place.
Also, if you  really love something, chances are others will too, so that thing 
you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate in value while 
you use it!  $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years which do you think 
is going to be worth more!? One guess! 



The way you really win is to stay with it.  Over a 10 or 20 year 
ownership period, the annual cost of a really, really nice bike becomes 
reasonable or even downright cheap when compared to the cost of constant 
churn, replacing a mid- or low-level bike with another one every couple 
of years.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Addisonwilhite]

Not far from what Grant himself said a couple of decades ago and quoted here:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2010/08/for-love-of-good-bike.html

Regards

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> On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:29 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the really 
> expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. Inevitably, 
> I am still not satisfied and eventually I  will plunk down the money to get 
> what I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first place.
> Also, if you  really love something, chances are others will too, so that 
> thing you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate in 
> value while you use it!  $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years which 
> do you think is going to be worth more!? One guess! 
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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[masmojo]

Speaking for myself I find that if I try to satisfy that itch for the really 
expensive thing I want, with something good, but not what I want. Inevitably, I 
am still not satisfied and eventually I  will plunk down the money to get what 
I want! Cheaper just to bite the bullet in the first place.
Also, if you  really love something, chances are others will too, so that thing 
you bought and used extensively, will retain or even appreciate in value while 
you use it!  $1,600. Appaloosa Vs $1,600 trek, in 15 years which do you think 
is going to be worth more!? One guess! 

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[dougP]

It's been said that, in the long run, it's often cheaper to pay retail.  

dougP

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> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Ron Mc]

"but dear, the New York Times pushed me over the ledge."  

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Belopsky]

Jan wrote a good one as well

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
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