[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I can’t help with the story of the Goodrich, but I can say I have a 
randonneur that he made and it’s lovely, definitely my favorite ride. I 
agree the triple and braze-ons for a rear rack but no low rider fronts or 
3rd water bottle boss seem to mean sport touring. I bet it’s awesome.

Curt’s no longer building frames, but I bet if you emailed him with the 
serial number he could let you know the dimensions and the build 
intentions. Also, to decipher if it’s under his brand or riv, mine has CG 
in the serial number. So that might be a good, simple clue. 

Not sure if I can help more, but it’s  cool bike and there’s not many out 
there.

Will Watson
Minneapolis

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:42:22 PM UTC-6 LBleriot wrote:

> I own a root beer Ram, but it has S couplers and was repainted by 
> Bilenky by its prior owner.  
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had 
>> built. You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked 
>> his 'own brand' work and would love to score one someday. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding 
>>> the Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is 
>>> such a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is 
>>> that the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
>>> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
>>> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
>>> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
>>> decals.  
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
>>> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
>>> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, 
> since the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and 
> that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those 
> are probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was 
> actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, 
> when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at 
>> them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
>> likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to 
>> be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when 
>> I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming 
>> the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Matt Isaacs]

FYI, I think is the same guy who was selling a couple Riv frames for a 
deceased friend back in November. A Roadeo custom painted sage green and a 
Heron custom painted by Joe Bell. If so, the seller has a very active ebay 
account selling vintage motorcycle stuff and has a good seller rating. 

Matt
Walnut Creek

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:02:08 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, Bill. I got off the phone with him a bit ago, and he couldn't 
> read the tire sizes (I did ask), but he said the standover was about 33 
> 1/4" on the Ram. And he did say that he thought the bikes were bigger than 
> what the owner would normally ride. (I took this to me traditional 
> Riv-sizing." I was hoping to get there this afternoon, but I don't know if 
> that will happen now. I am also curious about that Goodrich. Hopefully I 
> get to report back soon.
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>
>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>
>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>
>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>
>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Ryan]

Well...that AHH in grey looks like a great bikeand it sounds like all 
these lovely bikes are going to good homes. Good luck  with the saddle 
search!

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:04:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I did reach out to Curt Goodrich a few days ago. He remembered the man he 
> built the bike for, but could not locate the geo or any other info. I 
> really wanted to buy that bike, but the family budget office didn’t 
> authorize the expenditure. I hope “settling” for the canti AHH will work 
> out well for me. 
>
> I believe all the Rivs, minus the brown Ram are sold. I think unless Steve 
> gets an offer he can’t refuse, he will keep it.
>
> Thank you to everyone who gave their thoughts on this topic. I look 
> forward to sharing some nice bike photos soon, but first I need to find a 
> saddle. I’ve liked a Swift in the past. Recently got a c17 but am not in 
> love. Anyone have a b17 collecting dust? Please DM me.
>
> Matt in STL
>
> On Jan 26, 2023, at 7:54 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> Curt Goodrich DOES do nice work and seems to be active still...just Google
>
>
> Was lucky enough to have my Road built in 2001 by Goodrich (CG1098),  
> which is stamped on the bottom bracket shell. Base price was 2150.00a 
> bargain
>
> Hard to say who built the AR, because the bottom bracket shell doesn't 
> have that info stamped on the shell that I can see...maybe it's from the 
> period after Waterford in the late 1990's when Riv was building more 
> customized frames without advertising and using other tubing besides 
> Reynolds 753. I think they were working with Match and maybe Joe Stark as 
> well. Then in 2000-2007 they were swapping frame-building duties between 
> Stark and Goodrich 
>
> That is a lovely collection of bikes indeed
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 9:16:19 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Thanks Kieran!
>>
>> Beautiful collection of bikes. Fun to see.
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Those are the cream Longboards that Riv used to sell. 
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:03:45 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?
 k.

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two 
> weeks away!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! 
>> I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>>
>> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
>> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>>
>> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of 
>> the slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>>
>> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked 
>> like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 
>> without.
>>
>> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. 
>> Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>>
>> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
>> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
>> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He 
>> didn't 
>> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i 
>> feel 
>> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
>> arrange shipping.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>>> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen 
>>> eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer 
>>> accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights 
>>> to 
>>> Saint Louis??) 
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>>>
 Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually 
 tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the 
 business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about 
 never 
 building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like 
 to 
 own.
 Frank 

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to 
> run. They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Matt Miller]

I did reach out to Curt Goodrich a few days ago. He remembered the man he built the bike for, but could not locate the geo or any other info. I really wanted to buy that bike, but the family budget office didn’t authorize the expenditure. I hope “settling” for the canti AHH will work out well for me. I believe all the Rivs, minus the brown Ram are sold. I think unless Steve gets an offer he can’t refuse, he will keep it.Thank you to everyone who gave their thoughts on this topic. I look forward to sharing some nice bike photos soon, but first I need to find a saddle. I’ve liked a Swift in the past. Recently got a c17 but am not in love. Anyone have a b17 collecting dust? Please DM me.Matt in STLOn Jan 26, 2023, at 7:54 AM, Ryan  wrote:Curt Goodrich DOES do nice work and seems to be active still...just GoogleWas lucky enough to have my Road built in 2001 by Goodrich (CG1098),  which is stamped on the bottom bracket shell. Base price was 2150.00a bargainHard to say who built the AR, because the bottom bracket shell doesn't have that info stamped on the shell that I can see...maybe it's from the period after Waterford in the late 1990's when Riv was building more customized frames without advertising and using other tubing besides Reynolds 753. I think they were working with Match and maybe Joe Stark as well. Then in 2000-2007 they were swapping frame-building duties between Stark and Goodrich That is a lovely collection of bikes indeedOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 9:16:19 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:Thanks Kieran!Beautiful collection of bikes. Fun to see.k.On Jan 24, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Kieran J  wrote:Those are the cream Longboards that Riv used to sell. KJOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:03:45 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?k.On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks away!BL in ECOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill suggested. Paint was really nice.The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to arrange shipping.-BrianOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint Louis??) TomOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.Frank On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able to find someone to take it off your hands. As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 

Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Ryan]

Curt Goodrich DOES do nice work and seems to be active still...just Google

Was lucky enough to have my Road built in 2001 by Goodrich (CG1098),  which 
is stamped on the bottom bracket shell. Base price was 2150.00a 
bargain

Hard to say who built the AR, because the bottom bracket shell doesn't have 
that info stamped on the shell that I can see...maybe it's from the period 
after Waterford in the late 1990's when Riv was building more customized 
frames without advertising and using other tubing besides Reynolds 753. I 
think they were working with Match and maybe Joe Stark as well. Then in 
2000-2007 they were swapping frame-building duties between Stark and 
Goodrich 

That is a lovely collection of bikes indeed

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 9:16:19 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:

> Thanks Kieran!
>
> Beautiful collection of bikes. Fun to see.
>
> k.
>
> On Jan 24, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Those are the cream Longboards that Riv used to sell. 
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:03:45 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two 
 weeks away!

 BL in EC

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! 
> I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>
> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>
> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of 
> the slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>
> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked 
> like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 
> without.
>
> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. 
> Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>
> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He 
> didn't 
> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i 
> feel 
> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
> arrange shipping.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen 
>> eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer 
>> accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to 
>> Saint Louis??) 
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually 
>>> tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the 
>>> business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about 
>>> never 
>>> building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like 
>>> to 
>>> own.
>>> Frank 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
 Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to 
 run. They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of 
 Curt's 
 builds are second to none and most custom builders would attest to 
 that and 
 they have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b 
 bike 
 that would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become 
 popular. I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not 
 as 
 fine as a Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll 
 certainly be able to find someone to take it off your hands. 

 As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made 
 by Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard 
 Sachs.  If 
 the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it 
 might as 
 well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 

 The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
 re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
 re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs 
 are 
 the giveaway)
  

Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Keith Paugh]

Thanks Kieran!Beautiful collection of bikes. Fun to see.k.On Jan 24, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Kieran J  wrote:Those are the cream Longboards that Riv used to sell. KJOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:03:45 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?k.On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks away!BL in ECOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill suggested. Paint was really nice.The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to arrange shipping.-BrianOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint Louis??) TomOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.Frank On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able to find someone to take it off your hands. As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are the giveaway) On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. Thanks, everyone.



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[Kieran J]

Those are the cream Longboards that Riv used to sell. 

KJ


On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:03:45 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?
>> k.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks 
>>> away!
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! 
 I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.

 The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
 suggested. Paint was really nice.

 The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of 
 the slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.

 The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked 
 like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.

 The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. 
 Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.

 All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
 seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
 whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
 seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
 him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
 arrange shipping.

 -Brian

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen 
> eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer 
> accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to 
> Saint Louis??) 
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>
>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually 
>> tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the 
>> business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about 
>> never 
>> building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to 
>> own.
>> Frank 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to 
>>> run. They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's 
>>> builds are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that 
>>> and 
>>> they have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b 
>>> bike 
>>> that would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become 
>>> popular. I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as 
>>> fine as a Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll 
>>> certainly be able to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>>
>>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made 
>>> by Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs. 
>>>  If 
>>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it 
>>> might as 
>>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>>
>>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs 
>>> are 
>>> the giveaway)
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at 
>>> them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where 
>>> all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume 
>>> the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
>>> likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to 
>>> be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when 
>>> I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming 
>>> the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[matt miller]

The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:

> Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?
> k.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks 
>> away!
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! 
>>> I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>>>
>>> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
>>> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>>>
>>> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
>>> slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>>>
>>> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked 
>>> like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.
>>>
>>> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. 
>>> Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>>>
>>> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
>>> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
>>> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
>>> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
>>> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
>>> arrange shipping.
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
 What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen 
 eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer 
 accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to 
 Saint Louis??) 
 Tom

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:

> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually 
> tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the 
> business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about 
> never 
> building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to 
> own.
> Frank 
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
>> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's 
>> builds 
>> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and 
>> they 
>> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike 
>> that 
>> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become 
>> popular. 
>> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
>> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be 
>> able 
>> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>
>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
>> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might 
>> as 
>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>
>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs 
>> are 
>> the giveaway)
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at 
>> them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
>> likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to 
>> be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when 
>> I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming 
>> the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Keith Paugh]

Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?
k.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks
> away!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv!
>> I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>>
>> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill
>> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>>
>> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the
>> slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>>
>> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like
>> it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.
>>
>> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again
>> could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>>
>> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The
>> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide
>> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't
>> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel
>> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to
>> arrange shipping.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>>> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen
>>> eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer
>>> accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to
>>> Saint Louis??)
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>>>
 Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried
 to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He
 refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building
 again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
 Frank

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run.
> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds
> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they
> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that
> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular.
> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a
> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be 
> able
> to find someone to take it off your hands.
>
> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by
> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If
> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might 
> as
> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one.
>
> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the
> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and
> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are
> the giveaway)
>
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes
> 
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them.
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models.
> Thanks, everyone.
>
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks 
away!

BL in EC

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've 
> got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>
> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>
> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
> slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>
> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like 
> it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.
>
> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again 
> could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>
> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
> arrange shipping.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
>> here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
>> information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
>> Louis??) 
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried 
>>> to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
>>> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
>>> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
>>> Frank 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
 Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
 They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
 are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
 have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
 would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
 I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
 Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be 
 able 
 to find someone to take it off your hands. 

 As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
 Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
 the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might 
 as 
 well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 

 The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
 re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
 re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
 the giveaway)
  

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
  
 for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
 There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
 the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
 grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
 custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
 fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
 ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
 boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
 Thanks, everyone.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Tom Goodmann]

Congratulations, Brian!  And thanks for sharing this information.  

--Tom

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:31:31 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've 
> got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>
> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>
> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
> slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>
> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like 
> it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.
>
> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again 
> could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>
> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
> arrange shipping.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
>> here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
>> information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
>> Louis??) 
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried 
>>> to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
>>> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
>>> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
>>> Frank 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
 Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
 They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
 are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
 have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
 would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
 I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
 Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be 
 able 
 to find someone to take it off your hands. 

 As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
 Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
 the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might 
 as 
 well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 

 The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
 re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
 re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
 the giveaway)
  

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
  
 for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
 There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
 the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
 grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
 custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
 fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
 ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
 boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
 Thanks, everyone.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Nikko in Oakland]

If you don't mind us inquiring, about how much $$$ was the seller looking 
for on any of the builds? 

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've 
> got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>
> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>
> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
> slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>
> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like 
> it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.
>
> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again 
> could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>
> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
> arrange shipping.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
>> here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
>> information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
>> Louis??) 
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried 
>>> to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
>>> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
>>> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
>>> Frank 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
 Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
 They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
 are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
 have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
 would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
 I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
 Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be 
 able 
 to find someone to take it off your hands. 

 As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
 Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
 the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might 
 as 
 well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 

 The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
 re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
 re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
 the giveaway)
  

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
  
 for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
 There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
 the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
 grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
 custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
 fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
 ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
 boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
 Thanks, everyone.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Brian Forsee]

I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've 
got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.

The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
suggested. Paint was really nice.

The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.

The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like 
it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.

The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again 
could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.

All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
arrange shipping.

-Brian

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
> here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
> information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
> Louis??) 
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>
>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried 
>> to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
>> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
>> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
>> Frank 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
>>> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
>>> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
>>> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
>>> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
>>> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
>>> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able 
>>> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>>
>>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
>>> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
>>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as 
>>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>>
>>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
>>> the giveaway)
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Tom Goodmann]

What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
Louis??) 
Tom

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:

> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried to 
> get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
> Frank 
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
>> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
>> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
>> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
>> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
>> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
>> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able 
>> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>
>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
>> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as 
>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>
>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
>> the giveaway)
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Frank Brose]

Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried to 
get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
Frank 

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. They 
> are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds are 
> second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they have 
> a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that would 
> fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. I've 
> had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able 
> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>
> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by Curt 
> Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If the 
> builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as 
> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>
> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the re-paint 
> (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and re-painted 
> Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are the 
> giveaway)
>  
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[iamkeith]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. They 
are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds are 
second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they have 
a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that would 
fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. I've 
had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able 
to find someone to take it off your hands. 

As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by Curt 
Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If the 
builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as 
well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 

The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the re-paint 
(and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and re-painted 
Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are the 
giveaway)
 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Frank Brose]

Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. They 
are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds are 
second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they have 
a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that would 
fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. I've 
had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able 
to find someone to take it off your hands. 
Frank

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[R. Alexis]

The orange one is possibly an Allrounder. They had horizontal rear drop 
outs Looks like a nice collection. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Jingy]

The orange one looks like an All-Rounder

Jim in Mpls

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:42:22 PM UTC-6 LBleriot wrote:

> I own a root beer Ram, but it has S couplers and was repainted by 
> Bilenky by its prior owner.  
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had 
>> built. You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked 
>> his 'own brand' work and would love to score one someday. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding 
>>> the Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is 
>>> such a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is 
>>> that the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
>>> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
>>> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
>>> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
>>> decals.  
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
>>> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
>>> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, 
> since the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and 
> that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those 
> are probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was 
> actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, 
> when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at 
>> them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
>> likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to 
>> be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when 
>> I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming 
>> the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[LBleriot]

I own a root beer Ram, but it has S couplers and was repainted by Bilenky 
by its prior owner.  

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had built. 
> You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked his 'own 
> brand' work and would love to score one someday. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Joe
>>
>> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding 
>> the Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is 
>> such a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is 
>> that the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
>> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
>> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
>> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
>> decals.  
>>
>> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
>> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
>> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, 
 since the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.

 The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
 explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
 and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
 long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
 suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and 
 that 
 head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
 Almost definitely not a 58.  

 Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
 probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess

 The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
 cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was 
 actually 
 the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, 
 when 
 the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
 ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  

 Those are lovely lovely bikes.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
> 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
> likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.



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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had built. 
You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked his 'own 
brand' work and would love to score one someday. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Joe
>
> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding the 
> Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is such 
> a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is that 
> the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
> decals.  
>
> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>
> BL in EC
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>>
>>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>>
>>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>>
>>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>>
>>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
  
 for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
 There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
 the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
 grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
 custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
 fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
 ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
 boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
 Thanks, everyone.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

"he couldn't read the tire sizes (I did ask),"

Ask him if he can read the names of the tires.  The two Hilsens and the 
Goodrich have Compass/Rene Herse tires on them with a clearly readable 
label.  The name of the tire guarantees the size.  Barlow Pass, Snoqualmie 
Pass,  Babyshoe Pass, etc.  

BL in EC

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:02:08 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, Bill. I got off the phone with him a bit ago, and he couldn't 
> read the tire sizes (I did ask), but he said the standover was about 33 
> 1/4" on the Ram. And he did say that he thought the bikes were bigger than 
> what the owner would normally ride. (I took this to me traditional 
> Riv-sizing." I was hoping to get there this afternoon, but I don't know if 
> that will happen now. I am also curious about that Goodrich. Hopefully I 
> get to report back soon.
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>
>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>
>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>
>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>
>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

Joe

I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding the 
Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is such 
a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is that 
the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
decals.  

It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  

BL in EC
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>
>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>
>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>
>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>
>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[matt miller]

Thank you, Bill. I got off the phone with him a bit ago, and he couldn't 
read the tire sizes (I did ask), but he said the standover was about 33 
1/4" on the Ram. And he did say that he thought the bikes were bigger than 
what the owner would normally ride. (I took this to me traditional 
Riv-sizing." I was hoping to get there this afternoon, but I don't know if 
that will happen now. I am also curious about that Goodrich. Hopefully I 
get to report back soon.

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Joe Bernard]

What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.

The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at explaining.  
Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes and fit 700x32 
tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and long reach brakes 
with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me suspect that is a 
650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that head tube height 
makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  Almost definitely 
not a 58.  

Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess

The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  

Those are lovely lovely bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Paul Clifton]

I think you're right about your assumptions.
Would you mind letting the list know what size they are when you find out?

Paul in AR

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[James M]

The colors on that Ram are dreamy!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:42:52 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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