Re: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
on 12/3/10 12:35 PM, Leslie at leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar questions. I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em. But I'm planning a Bombadil build. Originally had planned to just run w/ the Bullmoose. But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops. But, I'm not a hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails... was starting to think that Rando bars might be the way to go. So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion, experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over The WTB-type Dirt Drop bar style never really won me over. I'm talking about the designs which pretty radically flair the hooks, such as the Woodchippers. They've always felt too weirdly flared at the base (clearance on singletrack) and too narrow to be useful at the top. What I've found (for me, my riding style and the topography I encounter) is that if I'm in the drops on off-road descents, I like my elbows in and my butt back. Keeping my elbows in keeps my mass and momentum hinged directly behind my hands, so if the bicycle stops suddenly my weight pushes my hands directly into the bars. Flared lower sections keep my elbows out, which tends to make them pivot out if I suddenly stop, which has my mass twisting my hands away from me, putting all the force into my thumbs - a recipe for decoupling my hands from the bars. Bent elbows also moves my center o' gravity forward. On the road, of course, drops is drops. For rails-to-trails, I don't know that I'd change anything. If you physiology has your wrists or forearms banging uncomfortably on the uppers when you are in the lowers, then the slight flare of a rando-style bar would make some sense - just enough to shift you out without sacrificing multiple positions. All of which have led me to stick with the Noodles/Soba design. But I do run them at or slightly below saddle height. In a more upright position, I don't mind a flat bar, as long as it has decent sweep - which again lets me get my elbows slightly more tucked in. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Jim: If descending offroad is a consideration, I say there's no better bar than the bullmoose. Your weight will always be squarely behind your hands, and there's a sureness and confidence you get from that one- piece stem/bar construction. And they have a slight sweep to help you keep those elbows in. I love these bars. BB On Dec 6, 12:24 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/3/10 12:35 PM, Leslie at leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar questions. I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em. But I'm planning a Bombadil build. Originally had planned to just run w/ the Bullmoose. But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops. But, I'm not a hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails... was starting to think that Rando bars might be the way to go. So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion, experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over The WTB-type Dirt Drop bar style never really won me over. I'm talking about the designs which pretty radically flair the hooks, such as the Woodchippers. They've always felt too weirdly flared at the base (clearance on singletrack) and too narrow to be useful at the top. What I've found (for me, my riding style and the topography I encounter) is that if I'm in the drops on off-road descents, I like my elbows in and my butt back. Keeping my elbows in keeps my mass and momentum hinged directly behind my hands, so if the bicycle stops suddenly my weight pushes my hands directly into the bars. Flared lower sections keep my elbows out, which tends to make them pivot out if I suddenly stop, which has my mass twisting my hands away from me, putting all the force into my thumbs - a recipe for decoupling my hands from the bars. Bent elbows also moves my center o' gravity forward. On the road, of course, drops is drops. For rails-to-trails, I don't know that I'd change anything. If you physiology has your wrists or forearms banging uncomfortably on the uppers when you are in the lowers, then the slight flare of a rando-style bar would make some sense - just enough to shift you out without sacrificing multiple positions. All of which have led me to stick with the Noodles/Soba design. But I do run them at or slightly below saddle height. In a more upright position, I don't mind a flat bar, as long as it has decent sweep - which again lets me get my elbows slightly more tucked in. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
For what it's worth... I just returned from a 2-day ride on my Bombadil (with the Bullmoose bars and Ergon bar-end grips)... We did a combination of on and off- road, roughly 100 miles. These were super comfortable and I felt I had plenty of hand-position options with the bar-ends. Perhaps it's the backward sweep of these bars (vs the old traditional bullmoose bars from the mid-80s), but these bars definitely can be ridden for long tours. BB On Dec 4, 8:28 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: bullmoose on my hunqpillar. incredibly stiff under torque, since it's all integrated as one piece. great out of the saddle, too. necessary to stand up sometimes to keep momentum over steeper hills around here. wish i could get them a bit lower, but that's probably not a problem for most (and maybe i should be on a 58, not a 62). for that reason, I'm considering a woodchipper or otherwise. but wow, put some weight up front and just feel those bars offer rock-solid stability. ~erik On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Genetic, perhaps in the metaphorical sense. I was born and raised a drop bar guy as a kid in the late 70's early 80's. When I first saw a mountain bike at the bike shop with bullmoose bars, I thought it was kind of goofy. Appealing and novel in its goofiness, but goofy (I was 12). I've owned, by my count, 11 different bikes with straight bars of various kinds, and I've never thought of any of them as anything more than novelty bikes in my stable. My Bombadil I set up with drop bars to start. When the longer reach bullmoose bars came available and when Jay offered to get them powdercoated to match my frame, I gave them a try. I like them, a lot, but it would be a stretch to say I love them. I do love the Bombadil, though. I love the bike enough that I'm motivated to get proper drop bars on it, so it can be a 'real' bike for me. I'm planning it out that the bullmoose bars will be an alternate configuration, but all paths always lead back to drop bars for me. For me, too. I'm curious what sort of bars you have on your Bombadil? I find that the Noodles, which I don't like for road (when lower than saddle i find the ramps too obvious), are excellent when considerably above the saddle and considerably further forward than drops on my road bikes. The I can use the hooks for smooth surface cruising, as on the hoods for a road bike, and have upright postions on ramps, hoods and flats for rough and steep surfaces. (I don't set them up they way most off roaders do with dedicated off road drips like the Midge, to use the hooks almost all the time with hoods, ramps etc negligible.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Nice Bomba shot from my 2-day tour http://tinyurl.com/2a74tdz On Dec 5, 6:42 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth... I just returned from a 2-day ride on my Bombadil (with the Bullmoose bars and Ergon bar-end grips)... We did a combination of on and off- road, roughly 100 miles. These were super comfortable and I felt I had plenty of hand-position options with the bar-ends. Perhaps it's the backward sweep of these bars (vs the old traditional bullmoose bars from the mid-80s), but these bars definitely can be ridden for long tours. BB On Dec 4, 8:28 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: bullmoose on my hunqpillar. incredibly stiff under torque, since it's all integrated as one piece. great out of the saddle, too. necessary to stand up sometimes to keep momentum over steeper hills around here. wish i could get them a bit lower, but that's probably not a problem for most (and maybe i should be on a 58, not a 62). for that reason, I'm considering a woodchipper or otherwise. but wow, put some weight up front and just feel those bars offer rock-solid stability. ~erik On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Genetic, perhaps in the metaphorical sense. I was born and raised a drop bar guy as a kid in the late 70's early 80's. When I first saw a mountain bike at the bike shop with bullmoose bars, I thought it was kind of goofy. Appealing and novel in its goofiness, but goofy (I was 12). I've owned, by my count, 11 different bikes with straight bars of various kinds, and I've never thought of any of them as anything more than novelty bikes in my stable. My Bombadil I set up with drop bars to start. When the longer reach bullmoose bars came available and when Jay offered to get them powdercoated to match my frame, I gave them a try. I like them, a lot, but it would be a stretch to say I love them. I do love the Bombadil, though. I love the bike enough that I'm motivated to get proper drop bars on it, so it can be a 'real' bike for me. I'm planning it out that the bullmoose bars will be an alternate configuration, but all paths always lead back to drop bars for me. For me, too. I'm curious what sort of bars you have on your Bombadil? I find that the Noodles, which I don't like for road (when lower than saddle i find the ramps too obvious), are excellent when considerably above the saddle and considerably further forward than drops on my road bikes. The I can use the hooks for smooth surface cruising, as on the hoods for a road bike, and have upright postions on ramps, hoods and flats for rough and steep surfaces. (I don't set them up they way most off roaders do with dedicated off road drips like the Midge, to use the hooks almost all the time with hoods, ramps etc negligible.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
I've got the bullmoose Bombadil road-i-fied for the winter. Soma Expresses and P-50 plastic fenders: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5236885742/in/photostream/ I took it on a 20 mile road ride this morning. I'm going to try and have it out several times before putting drops back on. On Dec 5, 5:01 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Nice Bomba shot from my 2-day tourhttp://tinyurl.com/2a74tdz On Dec 5, 6:42 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth... I just returned from a 2-day ride on my Bombadil (with the Bullmoose bars and Ergon bar-end grips)... We did a combination of on and off- road, roughly 100 miles. These were super comfortable and I felt I had plenty of hand-position options with the bar-ends. Perhaps it's the backward sweep of these bars (vs the old traditional bullmoose bars from the mid-80s), but these bars definitely can be ridden for long tours. BB On Dec 4, 8:28 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: bullmoose on my hunqpillar. incredibly stiff under torque, since it's all integrated as one piece. great out of the saddle, too. necessary to stand up sometimes to keep momentum over steeper hills around here. wish i could get them a bit lower, but that's probably not a problem for most (and maybe i should be on a 58, not a 62). for that reason, I'm considering a woodchipper or otherwise. but wow, put some weight up front and just feel those bars offer rock-solid stability. ~erik On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Genetic, perhaps in the metaphorical sense. I was born and raised a drop bar guy as a kid in the late 70's early 80's. When I first saw a mountain bike at the bike shop with bullmoose bars, I thought it was kind of goofy. Appealing and novel in its goofiness, but goofy (I was 12). I've owned, by my count, 11 different bikes with straight bars of various kinds, and I've never thought of any of them as anything more than novelty bikes in my stable. My Bombadil I set up with drop bars to start. When the longer reach bullmoose bars came available and when Jay offered to get them powdercoated to match my frame, I gave them a try. I like them, a lot, but it would be a stretch to say I love them. I do love the Bombadil, though. I love the bike enough that I'm motivated to get proper drop bars on it, so it can be a 'real' bike for me. I'm planning it out that the bullmoose bars will be an alternate configuration, but all paths always lead back to drop bars for me. For me, too. I'm curious what sort of bars you have on your Bombadil? I find that the Noodles, which I don't like for road (when lower than saddle i find the ramps too obvious), are excellent when considerably above the saddle and considerably further forward than drops on my road bikes. The I can use the hooks for smooth surface cruising, as on the hoods for a road bike, and have upright postions on ramps, hoods and flats for rough and steep surfaces. (I don't set them up they way most off roaders do with dedicated off road drips like the Midge, to use the hooks almost all the time with hoods, ramps etc negligible.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
I haven't ridden the bullnose bars. I've got drops on a bike, albatross bars on a bike and mostly straight bars (with a bit of rise and a bit of sweep back) on a bike. They all work well for me. I like the variety. The bikes are all set up differently. I have a slight preference for the drops (well on the top of the drop bars) Those bars are at least as high as the saddle with not much stem extension. I'm most comfortable with palms facing mostly inward rather than down, so on the brake hoods on drop bars, or the normal handgrip position on the albatross bars. I like a very small bar-end on the straighter bars. Think how your arms hang when you're standing nice and relaxed. Straighter bars put me in a more palms-down orientation, the bar-ends allow that palms-inward position again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Genetic, perhaps in the metaphorical sense. I was born and raised a drop bar guy as a kid in the late 70's early 80's. When I first saw a mountain bike at the bike shop with bullmoose bars, I thought it was kind of goofy. Appealing and novel in its goofiness, but goofy (I was 12). I've owned, by my count, 11 different bikes with straight bars of various kinds, and I've never thought of any of them as anything more than novelty bikes in my stable. My Bombadil I set up with drop bars to start. When the longer reach bullmoose bars came available and when Jay offered to get them powdercoated to match my frame, I gave them a try. I like them, a lot, but it would be a stretch to say I love them. I do love the Bombadil, though. I love the bike enough that I'm motivated to get proper drop bars on it, so it can be a 'real' bike for me. I'm planning it out that the bullmoose bars will be an alternate configuration, but all paths always lead back to drop bars for me. For me, too. I'm curious what sort of bars you have on your Bombadil? I find that the Noodles, which I don't like for road (when lower than saddle i find the ramps too obvious), are excellent when considerably above the saddle and considerably further forward than drops on my road bikes. The I can use the hooks for smooth surface cruising, as on the hoods for a road bike, and have upright postions on ramps, hoods and flats for rough and steep surfaces. (I don't set them up they way most off roaders do with dedicated off road drips like the Midge, to use the hooks almost all the time with hoods, ramps etc negligible.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
bullmoose on my hunqpillar. incredibly stiff under torque, since it's all integrated as one piece. great out of the saddle, too. necessary to stand up sometimes to keep momentum over steeper hills around here. wish i could get them a bit lower, but that's probably not a problem for most (and maybe i should be on a 58, not a 62). for that reason, I'm considering a woodchipper or otherwise. but wow, put some weight up front and just feel those bars offer rock-solid stability. ~erik On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Genetic, perhaps in the metaphorical sense. I was born and raised a drop bar guy as a kid in the late 70's early 80's. When I first saw a mountain bike at the bike shop with bullmoose bars, I thought it was kind of goofy. Appealing and novel in its goofiness, but goofy (I was 12). I've owned, by my count, 11 different bikes with straight bars of various kinds, and I've never thought of any of them as anything more than novelty bikes in my stable. My Bombadil I set up with drop bars to start. When the longer reach bullmoose bars came available and when Jay offered to get them powdercoated to match my frame, I gave them a try. I like them, a lot, but it would be a stretch to say I love them. I do love the Bombadil, though. I love the bike enough that I'm motivated to get proper drop bars on it, so it can be a 'real' bike for me. I'm planning it out that the bullmoose bars will be an alternate configuration, but all paths always lead back to drop bars for me. For me, too. I'm curious what sort of bars you have on your Bombadil? I find that the Noodles, which I don't like for road (when lower than saddle i find the ramps too obvious), are excellent when considerably above the saddle and considerably further forward than drops on my road bikes. The I can use the hooks for smooth surface cruising, as on the hoods for a road bike, and have upright postions on ramps, hoods and flats for rough and steep surfaces. (I don't set them up they way most off roaders do with dedicated off road drips like the Midge, to use the hooks almost all the time with hoods, ramps etc negligible.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Thanks, William. Sounds like I should contact you first if (when) I decide to sell my Noodles :) Peace, BB On Dec 3, 12:50 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Genetic, perhaps in the metaphorical sense. I was born and raised a drop bar guy as a kid in the late 70's early 80's. When I first saw a mountain bike at the bike shop with bullmoose bars, I thought it was kind of goofy. Appealing and novel in its goofiness, but goofy (I was 12). I've owned, by my count, 11 different bikes with straight bars of various kinds, and I've never thought of any of them as anything more than novelty bikes in my stable. My Bombadil I set up with drop bars to start. When the longer reach bullmoose bars came available and when Jay offered to get them powdercoated to match my frame, I gave them a try. I like them, a lot, but it would be a stretch to say I love them. I do love the Bombadil, though. I love the bike enough that I'm motivated to get proper drop bars on it, so it can be a 'real' bike for me. I'm planning it out that the bullmoose bars will be an alternate configuration, but all paths always lead back to drop bars for me. On Dec 3, 9:37 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I fear this may be like asking my kids Who do you like better, Mom or Dad?... I am seeking insight, not seeking to incite... but I'll put it out there for discussion anyway. I've set up my Bombadil to quickly swap between my drop bars (48cm Noodles) and my flat bars (Nitto Bullmoose 150mm ext). I really want to like the drops, but I can't even compare the comfort and functionality of these to the Bullmoose (which are simply awesome). Admittedly I've never been a huge fan of drops, except on my skinny go- fast SS I can't imagine anything but... In this case, though, where I take my Bomba everywhere, including off-road, down stairs, etc... I feel under any circumstance I'll have full control and comfort with the Bullmoose bars, but not nearly with the Noodles. Is this a genetic thing? You either gravitate to drops or you don't? Or am I just not giving the drops a fair shake here? I don't want to immediately rush to judgment and get rid of the Noodles, but it feels like I'm completely sold on the Bullmoose. I've got a 2-day tour coming up this weekend, so I'll give the Bullmoose bars a proper distance and mixed terrain test...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Thanks, Papa G... you are wise. On Dec 3, 1:05 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: From: Montclair BobbyB asked: Is this a genetic thing? You either gravitate to drops or you don't? Or am I just not giving the drops a fair shake here? I don't want to immediately rush to judgment and get rid of the Noodles, but it feels like I'm completely sold on the Bullmoose. --- For me, it depends on today's ride, on kind of a sliding scale. If the route is well-paved, I ride a B.17, narrowish (44-cm) drops, and skinny (28 mm) tires. If it's going to be mostly pavement with the possiblity of occasional (50%) gravel or dirt, I ride the B.17, 48-cm Noodle bars, and Hetres. If we plan mostly dirt with as little pavement as possible, I ride the Champ Flyer, upright (not straight!) bars, and knobby tires. But if the Bullmoose fits your every use, why even give it another thought? OTOH, if they're easily swappable, hang onto the Noodles, and use them as the occasion moves you. Do what makes you happy, I say. -- Jon Papa Grant, thinking deep thoughts in Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Genetic? No, I don't think so. Hard-wired? Maybe, but I again don't think so. It's the ride that demands the bars. The ride can be heavily influenced by terrain. But it isn't dictated by terrain. Want to skip past the surroundings, enjoy the motion, your heartbeat, the bitter cold wind biting your face? Choose drops or moustache. Want to enjoy the rolling scenery, the warmth of activity, cozy booth waiting at the bar afterwards? Albatross. Want to investigate every rut, feel the ground, conquer the path/road/trail? Bullmoose. Listen to Papa. Don't give up the 'Moose or the Noodle. Use as indicated. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Dec 3, 11:37 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I fear this may be like asking my kids Who do you like better, Mom or Dad?... I am seeking insight, not seeking to incite... but I'll put it out there for discussion anyway. I've set up my Bombadil to quickly swap between my drop bars (48cm Noodles) and my flat bars (Nitto Bullmoose 150mm ext). I really want to like the drops, but I can't even compare the comfort and functionality of these to the Bullmoose (which are simply awesome). Admittedly I've never been a huge fan of drops, except on my skinny go- fast SS I can't imagine anything but... In this case, though, where I take my Bomba everywhere, including off-road, down stairs, etc... I feel under any circumstance I'll have full control and comfort with the Bullmoose bars, but not nearly with the Noodles. Is this a genetic thing? You either gravitate to drops or you don't? Or am I just not giving the drops a fair shake here? I don't want to immediately rush to judgment and get rid of the Noodles, but it feels like I'm completely sold on the Bullmoose. I've got a 2-day tour coming up this weekend, so I'll give the Bullmoose bars a proper distance and mixed terrain test... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Want to skip past the surroundings, enjoy the motion, your heartbeat, the bitter cold wind biting your face? Choose drops or moustache. Me? I'd choose narrowish drops with a height at level or slightly lower than saddle height (like Nitto Pearl with 44cm Noodles) Want to enjoy the rolling scenery, the warmth of activity, cozy booth waiting at the bar afterwards? Albatross. Me? I'd choose widish drops with a height about 2.5 - 3 inches above saddle height and Interupter levers. Like dirtdrop stem with 46cm Noodles Want to investigate every rut, feel the ground, conquer the path/road/trail? Bullmoose. Me? I'd choose wide drops with a height about 1 - 2 inches above saddle height. Like Nitto lugged stem with 48cm Noodles I am seriously trying to open my mind to non-drop options. I'm even considering trying an Albatross cockpit on the commuter-Hillborne, but it keeps coming back to drops. On Dec 3, 11:16 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Genetic? No, I don't think so. Hard-wired? Maybe, but I again don't think so. It's the ride that demands the bars. The ride can be heavily influenced by terrain. But it isn't dictated by terrain. Want to skip past the surroundings, enjoy the motion, your heartbeat, the bitter cold wind biting your face? Choose drops or moustache. Want to enjoy the rolling scenery, the warmth of activity, cozy booth waiting at the bar afterwards? Albatross. Want to investigate every rut, feel the ground, conquer the path/road/trail? Bullmoose. Listen to Papa. Don't give up the 'Moose or the Noodle. Use as indicated. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Dec 3, 11:37 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I fear this may be like asking my kids Who do you like better, Mom or Dad?... I am seeking insight, not seeking to incite... but I'll put it out there for discussion anyway. I've set up my Bombadil to quickly swap between my drop bars (48cm Noodles) and my flat bars (Nitto Bullmoose 150mm ext). I really want to like the drops, but I can't even compare the comfort and functionality of these to the Bullmoose (which are simply awesome). Admittedly I've never been a huge fan of drops, except on my skinny go- fast SS I can't imagine anything but... In this case, though, where I take my Bomba everywhere, including off-road, down stairs, etc... I feel under any circumstance I'll have full control and comfort with the Bullmoose bars, but not nearly with the Noodles. Is this a genetic thing? You either gravitate to drops or you don't? Or am I just not giving the drops a fair shake here? I don't want to immediately rush to judgment and get rid of the Noodles, but it feels like I'm completely sold on the Bullmoose. I've got a 2-day tour coming up this weekend, so I'll give the Bullmoose bars a proper distance and mixed terrain test... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar questions. I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em. But I'm planning a Bombadil build. Originally had planned to just run w/ the Bullmoose. But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops. But, I'm not a hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails... was starting to think that Rando bars might be the way to go. So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion, experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over Thx, -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
I had a set of WTB Dirt drops on a bike that I used as an all rounder biased toward dirt surfaces and they were great. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Leslie Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:35 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose? Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar questions. I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em. But I'm planning a Bombadil build. Originally had planned to just run w/ the Bullmoose. But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops. But, I'm not a hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails... was starting to think that Rando bars might be the way to go. So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion, experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over Thx, -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
I've been a drops rider my entire riding life (except for mountain bike) I just told them to put Albatross bars on my Bombadil .. just back from paint.. So I'm hoping the Albatross is the way to go. I am interested in how you set it up for a quick change out? Do the quick disconnects really save a lot of time considering you still have to adjust everything again anyway? Kelly On Dec 3, 2:45 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I had a set of WTB Dirt drops on a bike that I used as an all rounder biased toward dirt surfaces and they were great. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Leslie Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:35 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose? Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar questions. I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em. But I'm planning a Bombadil build. Originally had planned to just run w/ the Bullmoose. But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops. But, I'm not a hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails... was starting to think that Rando bars might be the way to go. So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion, experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over Thx, -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
The WTB Dirt Drops are what I have on my Quickbeam. I can't imagine ever changing them. They're perfect for me, including steep singletrack. They're a couple of inches above my saddle, but not disturbingly so. I have Midge bars on my Bontrager mountain bike, and moustache bars on my low-trail touring bike. I like them both, but change those bars around sometimes. They're not as perfect for me. I would love it if Grant could get a run of classic WTB dirt drop bars from Nitto. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Dec 3, 12:45 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I had a set of WTB Dirt drops on a bike that I used as an all rounder biased toward dirt surfaces and they were great. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Leslie Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:35 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose? Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar questions. I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em. But I'm planning a Bombadil build. Originally had planned to just run w/ the Bullmoose. But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops. But, I'm not a hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails... was starting to think that Rando bars might be the way to go. So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion, experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over Thx, -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Be careful about it up front and adjusting will mean twisting the rear derailer's barrel adjuster a known amount. Be extra careful and there'll be no adjustment. At best, you can do a sub-5-minute change. A sub-15-minute change requires no expertise or even practice, just care. I am a man of four cockpits. Soon to be 5... TallMoose pends. http://home.comcast.net/~thomaslynnskean/cockpits Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Dec 3, 3:28 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I've been a drops rider my entire riding life (except for mountain bike) I just told them to put Albatross bars on my Bombadil .. just back from paint.. So I'm hoping the Albatross is the way to go. I am interested in how you set it up for a quick change out? Do the quick disconnects really save a lot of time considering you still have to adjust everything again anyway? Kelly On Dec 3, 2:45 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I had a set of WTB Dirt drops on a bike that I used as an all rounder biased toward dirt surfaces and they were great. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Leslie Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:35 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose? Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar questions. I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em. But I'm planning a Bombadil build. Originally had planned to just run w/ the Bullmoose. But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops. But, I'm not a hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails... was starting to think that Rando bars might be the way to go. So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion, experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over Thx, -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noodle vs Bullmoose?
Good question. Early on, jumped on the MTB bandwagon, which meant bullmoose. Or other, later flat bars. When getting back into biking after the long layoff, again, flat bars were where I headed. In part due to my size and previous hand problems. However, in the past couple of years, have moved more and more towards drops. In fact, at present, three of my bikes have drops. Only one that doesn't is the Brompton. (Which is on very long term loan, with hope to sell.) Originally had set up my touring bike with flat bars. Switched to Noodles this spring. Giving it a try this winter. Have to admit, it's a different set of muscles and balance to ride drops in winter. So far, though, so good. Even my present adventure bike is set up with drops. Although the Salsa Woodchippers are unlike any other drop I've ridden. So genetic? Probably not. More the whim of the rider. But there is something nice and there about good flat bars. Whether they be bullmose or otherwise. Gee, now you're making me think about another winter project. Flat bars, . Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 3, 11:37 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I fear this may be like asking my kids Who do you like better, Mom or Dad?... I am seeking insight, not seeking to incite... but I'll put it out there for discussion anyway. I've set up my Bombadil to quickly swap between my drop bars (48cm Noodles) and my flat bars (Nitto Bullmoose 150mm ext). I really want to like the drops, but I can't even compare the comfort and functionality of these to the Bullmoose (which are simply awesome). Admittedly I've never been a huge fan of drops, except on my skinny go- fast SS I can't imagine anything but... In this case, though, where I take my Bomba everywhere, including off-road, down stairs, etc... I feel under any circumstance I'll have full control and comfort with the Bullmoose bars, but not nearly with the Noodles. Is this a genetic thing? You either gravitate to drops or you don't? Or am I just not giving the drops a fair shake here? I don't want to immediately rush to judgment and get rid of the Noodles, but it feels like I'm completely sold on the Bullmoose. I've got a 2-day tour coming up this weekend, so I'll give the Bullmoose bars a proper distance and mixed terrain test... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
