Re: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
five hundred bucks really isnt all that much money among modern cranks. an equivalent dura ace or record would be 500 bucks or more. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:58 PM, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: Nice, but $529 is STEEP. I think I'd rather see something like the Mighty Tour http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_english.htm On Jan 20, 4:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. Gernot On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? Brian Park City On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
On Jan 20, 10:20 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious, do any of you folks subscribe to Kirby Palm's crank length formula:http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html Makes intuitive sense to me, but with my shortish 83PBH I should be using a 179mm crank! My first real bike had a 175mm crank (Fisher monster cross) and I have stuck with that length because it is the closest in length among the commonly available sizes. In a way I guess I am splitting the difference between the conventional wisdom and Kirby Palm's radical formula. Seems to work for me, but haven't tried anything else! Cheers, Gernot I found his formula too long myself. The longest I used was 185mm. I used them for many years. It gave me more leverage for uphills for sure, and allowed me to stay seated longer climbing, but I've since gone back to using 175mm arms and I don't miss them at all. I like being able to spin a little easier. The bottom line though is crank length doesn't make any difference overall in my riding. I could easily use 170mm just as well. Back when I started riding, 170mm was the norm, you never really thought about it. You just rode. Somewhere along the line we were told we need longer arms. We bought the idea. We called it progress, but was it really? If I could be transported back to a time before longer arms I wouldn't even give it a thought. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. Gernot On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? Brian Park City On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min. duration then would be a 30-28. On shorter climbs you can get out of the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with reasonable grades. I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the extra bolts of the TA. ~Mike On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. Gernot On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? Brian Park City On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
The White Industry crank BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot. michael On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min. duration then would be a 30-28. On shorter climbs you can get out of the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with reasonable grades. I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the extra bolts of the TA. ~Mike On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. Gernot On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? Brian Park City On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
Mike, I love my 50/30 setup on the 94bcd ritcheys, but there is a point on some grades where I just hop off and push it up. I draw the line at granny gears that keep me moving at or less than walking speed. The only bummer I have had over the last year and a half is a bit of deflection in my 50 TA ring. While the 94 bcd arms provide greater support than an old TA, there is still some give. I would speculate that this would not be as big a problem on a 48 or 46 ring. In this regard the 110 bcd of the new Sugino will provide a little better support for the outer chain ring. While I have been stock piling Ritchey compact cranks I wran across these, http://www.starbike.com/php/product_info.php?lang=enpid=3377 and they come in colors if that is your thing, blue would probably look pretty good on my roadeo. These seem to get good feedback from the guys on MTBR. Current exchange rates could get them to your door with TA rings for about $400. but if you were shopping at starbike you might as well pick up a son hub and some lights. Rob On Jan 21, 12:05 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min. duration then would be a 30-28. On shorter climbs you can get out of the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with reasonable grades. I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the extra bolts of the TA. ~Mike On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. Gernot On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
The White Industry crank BB is $100 less: True, sort of. $85 less if you choose a steel BB. $25 less of you choose a Ti BB The White Industry crank BB is a 100 grams less: False. White Crank 665g. White Steel BB 226g. White Ti BB 165g. So 830g total or 891g total. That Sugino is 787g for everything. The White Industry crank BB is far more versatile: How so? I'd call this a push. The White can run any of 8 proprietary big rings and anything with 5 bolts as a small ring. The Sugino can run essentially anything in 110mm as a big ring (which is a number greater than 8), and anything in 110 or 74 as a small ring. The only thing that comes to mind that you can't run on the Sugino is a 22T small ring. Among the things you can't run on the White is a 53T big ring, or a 54. The White Industry crank BB is better looking: To each his own, but I think they are both very attractive in very different ways. The White Industry crank BB is made in the USA to boot Absolutely true. And they are nice on the phone. FWIW, if I received either crankset for my birthday coming up on Feb 8th, I would be thrilled. :) My OP was just to point out that the Sugino one is actually available in the US, which is something I doubted would happen. It's cool that there are options. On Jan 21, 1:58 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The White Industry crank BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot. michael On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min. duration then would be a 30-28. On shorter climbs you can get out of the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with reasonable grades. I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the extra bolts of the TA. ~Mike On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double
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Plus it comes in 180mm!!! I like the idea of a close ratio cassette, and a wide range double. What's the largest spread a double-ring front der will do? Any body? Bueller? Bueller? RGZ On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The White Industry crank BB is $100 less: True, sort of. $85 less if you choose a steel BB. $25 less of you choose a Ti BB The White Industry crank BB is a 100 grams less: False. White Crank 665g. White Steel BB 226g. White Ti BB 165g. So 830g total or 891g total. That Sugino is 787g for everything. The White Industry crank BB is far more versatile: How so? I'd call this a push. The White can run any of 8 proprietary big rings and anything with 5 bolts as a small ring. The Sugino can run essentially anything in 110mm as a big ring (which is a number greater than 8), and anything in 110 or 74 as a small ring. The only thing that comes to mind that you can't run on the Sugino is a 22T small ring. Among the things you can't run on the White is a 53T big ring, or a 54. The White Industry crank BB is better looking: To each his own, but I think they are both very attractive in very different ways. The White Industry crank BB is made in the USA to boot Absolutely true. And they are nice on the phone. FWIW, if I received either crankset for my birthday coming up on Feb 8th, I would be thrilled. :) My OP was just to point out that the Sugino one is actually available in the US, which is something I doubted would happen. It's cool that there are options. On Jan 21, 1:58 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The White Industry crank BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot. michael On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min. duration then would be a 30-28. On shorter climbs you can get out of the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with reasonable grades. I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the extra bolts of the TA. ~Mike On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
So, in terms of $ per lb., how far off is that from a brick of gold buillion? On Jan 21, 8:31 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Plus it comes in 180mm!!! I like the idea of a close ratio cassette, and a wide range double. What's the largest spread a double-ring front der will do? Any body? Bueller? Bueller? RGZ On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The White Industry crank BB is $100 less: True, sort of. $85 less if you choose a steel BB. $25 less of you choose a Ti BB The White Industry crank BB is a 100 grams less: False. White Crank 665g. White Steel BB 226g. White Ti BB 165g. So 830g total or 891g total. That Sugino is 787g for everything. The White Industry crank BB is far more versatile: How so? I'd call this a push. The White can run any of 8 proprietary big rings and anything with 5 bolts as a small ring. The Sugino can run essentially anything in 110mm as a big ring (which is a number greater than 8), and anything in 110 or 74 as a small ring. The only thing that comes to mind that you can't run on the Sugino is a 22T small ring. Among the things you can't run on the White is a 53T big ring, or a 54. The White Industry crank BB is better looking: To each his own, but I think they are both very attractive in very different ways. The White Industry crank BB is made in the USA to boot Absolutely true. And they are nice on the phone. FWIW, if I received either crankset for my birthday coming up on Feb 8th, I would be thrilled. :) My OP was just to point out that the Sugino one is actually available in the US, which is something I doubted would happen. It's cool that there are options. On Jan 21, 1:58 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The White Industry crank BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot. michael On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min. duration then would be a 30-28. On shorter climbs you can get out of the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with reasonable grades. I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the extra bolts of the TA. ~Mike On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a tighter frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every terrrain. The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44 can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . ~Mike On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: So, in terms of $ per lb., how far off is that from a brick of gold buillion? It is about 1/60th the price of gold. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Nice, but $529 is STEEP. I think I'd rather see something like the Mighty Tour http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_english.htm On Jan 20, 4:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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180? Ha! Sugino doesn't even make them in 177.5mm To add insult to injury, they not only make them in 172.5mm (my size), they also make them in the vastly underrated 167.5mm. There should be a Clydesdale uprising to storm the gates of Sugino! On Jan 20, 1:42 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: 180mm? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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To war! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:47:46 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! 180? Ha! Sugino doesn't even make them in 177.5mm To add insult to injury, they not only make them in 172.5mm (my size), they also make them in the vastly underrated 167.5mm. There should be a Clydesdale uprising to storm the gates of Sugino! On Jan 20, 1:42 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: 180mm? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Just curious, do any of you folks subscribe to Kirby Palm's crank length formula: http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html Makes intuitive sense to me, but with my shortish 83PBH I should be using a 179mm crank! My first real bike had a 175mm crank (Fisher monster cross) and I have stuck with that length because it is the closest in length among the commonly available sizes. In a way I guess I am splitting the difference between the conventional wisdom and Kirby Palm's radical formula. Seems to work for me, but haven't tried anything else! Cheers, Gernot On Jan 21, 5:02 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: To war! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:47:46 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! 180? Ha! Sugino doesn't even make them in 177.5mm To add insult to injury, they not only make them in 172.5mm (my size), they also make them in the vastly underrated 167.5mm. There should be a Clydesdale uprising to storm the gates of Sugino! On Jan 20, 1:42 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: 180mm? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I'd rather buy the Sugino Swiss Cross and a Phil magnium-titanium BB and save $150. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Jan 20, 1:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this: http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? Brian Park City On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think): http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. Gernot On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? Brian Park City On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
I like the method that peter white wrote about: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious, do any of you folks subscribe to Kirby Palm's crank length formula: http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html Makes intuitive sense to me, but with my shortish 83PBH I should be using a 179mm crank! My first real bike had a 175mm crank (Fisher monster cross) and I have stuck with that length because it is the closest in length among the commonly available sizes. In a way I guess I am splitting the difference between the conventional wisdom and Kirby Palm's radical formula. Seems to work for me, but haven't tried anything else! Cheers, Gernot On Jan 21, 5:02 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: To war! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:47:46 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! 180? Ha! Sugino doesn't even make them in 177.5mm To add insult to injury, they not only make them in 172.5mm (my size), they also make them in the vastly underrated 167.5mm. There should be a Clydesdale uprising to storm the gates of Sugino! On Jan 20, 1:42 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: 180mm? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy with my 50-34 setup. Brian On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as where the inner chainring sits (I think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left- most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. Gernot On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? Brian Park City On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
