[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Lucero]

I bought a new San Marcos frame about 8 months ago. Must have been a 
'tweener, as it's the newer tiburon blue with mid-fork braze ons on the 
older banana bend fork: http://imgur.com/a/U12iY

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 8:20:00 AM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> That new model San Marcos fork looks like it has more of a nice bend than 
> the earlier sky blue version. Did they change the fork style for the new 
> version? 
>

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

i couldnt find these at all. thats a good looking frame. thanks!
joe kelly

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 2:08:15 AM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> There's a whole set here.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskmXiehz
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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Lungimsam]

That new model San Marcos fork looks like it has more of a nice bend than 
the earlier sky blue version. Did they change the fork style for the new 
version? 

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Evan Baird]

They never update their photos. They've been like that for about a year.

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 8:20:00 AM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
> That new model San Marcos fork looks like it has more of a nice bend than the 
> earlier sky blue version. Did they change the fork style for the new version? 

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Chad]

That's a shame.  The SM is such a great deal for someone wanting to join the 
Riv family!

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[islaysteve]

But is it really Grant's call?  I know that he killed the Bleriot but that was 
a diffent deal; Riv-badged bike.  Soma may have something to say about this 
one.  For course, they may not be selling well Soma also.  I agree, it would be 
a shame.  I'd probably have bought one if I hadn't found my Bleriot.
Cheers, Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[A CT Cyclist]

That's really a shame. Makes me want to buy another one. Perhaps if they
did away with the double top tube in the larger sizes it would appeal to
more non Riv folks.
On Jan 16, 2016 11:00 AM, "islaysteve"  wrote:

> But is it really Grant's call?  I know that he killed the Bleriot but that
> was a diffent deal; Riv-badged bike.  Soma may have something to say about
> this one.  For course, they may not be selling well Soma also.  I agree, it
> would be a shame.  I'd probably have bought one if I hadn't found my
> Bleriot.
> Cheers, Steve
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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

Just got one through my LBS. Soma has a couple of 51cms left. May be worth 
pulling the trigger on a new one. Love the classic curve of the fork and the 
fact that the new ones have the mid fork braze-ons. It would be a shame to kill 
off this model. Seems to be a good bang for the buck compared to proprietary 
Rivs. Glad I snatched one up. 

Sean
ATX

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[cyclotourist]

This.

I'm not anti-DTT, but have fully consumed the Kool-Aide. I can't
imagine even trying to explain it to the general bike-buying public.

It's the equivalent of opening up a conversation with a description of
your favorite RPG 12th level elf-princess wizard with a stranger at a
bar. Not that I would know anything about that.


On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, A CT Cyclist  wrote:
> That's really a shame. Makes me want to buy another one. Perhaps if they did
> away with the double top tube in the larger sizes it would appeal to more
> non Riv folks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[cyclotourist]

Good points, Jim. Basically the DTT shouldn't be a turn off for that
many people. Although I think the 59cm frame is pretty well with
standard frame size for a lot of people. Isn't a (traditional) 58cm
frame the most popular size overall? That or 56, I forget...

Still though, I don't think that helps sell to the general public.
Niche within a niche within a niche!

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:01 PM, James Warren  wrote:
>
> If they did away with the DTT on the 59 cm size, it would be similar to the
> largest size single-top-tube frames offered by most major brands. The
> Specialized's in "61" for example, have a seat tube that is really quite a
> few cm less than 61 cm. (What they call "61" is an effective 61 if you ran
> an imaginary horizontal line along the top tube to the seatpost.)
>
> So what I'm saying is that a San Marcos 59, if that were the largest size
> made, would be the bike that sales people on the bike shop would be
> convincing the 6'3" and 6'4"'s among us to make work for ourselves. ("We'll
> just use a longer stem and a longer seatpost.") The situation would be a lot
> like the way it is when tall people buy a bike from "the other guys."
>
> So along comes the 63 cm offering. The San Marcos true 63 with its sloping
> top tube is like what another brand would call a "66" or "67." That 63 cm
> San Marcos frame is a BIG frame in the mainstream bike sales arena. But the
> thing is that few other brands actually sell anything that they would call a
> 66 or 67. So in that respect, a salesperson could make a case for the San
> Marcos with its 63 cm actual seat tube. "This here frame is unique. This one
> will actually fit you, Mr. Tall Man. Most other brands don't design to your
> needs. These guys do. The double top tube is part of that design. It'll ride
> better for you this way, because you are so tall." Extra tubes in very tall
> frames is something that's been done for awhile, although in the late 20th
> century, I think it was more common in level top tube frames that got
> greater than 68 cm.
>
> So I think the only thing hard to explain to the general public is the DTT
> in the 59 cm frame. Since the forthcoming Sam Hillbornes are going to single
> TT in the 58 cm frames (the logic being that people opting for that instead
> of Appaloosa are less likely to need it) perhaps a good idea moving forward
> (if the companies decide to keep the San Marcos going) is to do only DTT in
> the 63 cm. DTT in 63 cm make a lot of sense in my opinion.
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2016, at 11:25 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> This.
>
> I'm not anti-DTT, but have fully consumed the Kool-Aide. I can't
> imagine even trying to explain it to the general bike-buying public.
>
> It's the equivalent of opening up a conversation with a description of
> your favorite RPG 12th level elf-princess wizard with a stranger at a
> bar. Not that I would know anything about that.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, A CT Cyclist  wrote:
>
> That's really a shame. Makes me want to buy another one. Perhaps if they did
>
> away with the double top tube in the larger sizes it would appeal to more
>
> non Riv folks.
>
>
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> David
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

hi
soma announced some new sizes that included a 54cm and 57cm for 650b 
wheels. there are no pictures on the internet of either san marcos that i 
can find. has anyone here actually seen one of these? pics?
thanks
joe kelly


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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[James Warren]

If they did away with the DTT on the 59 cm size, it would be similar to the 
largest size single-top-tube frames offered by most major brands. The 
Specialized's in "61" for example, have a seat tube that is really quite a few 
cm less than 61 cm. (What they call "61" is an effective 61 if you ran an 
imaginary horizontal line along the top tube to the seatpost.)

So what I'm saying is that a San Marcos 59, if that were the largest size made, 
would be the bike that sales people on the bike shop would be convincing the 
6'3" and 6'4"'s among us to make work for ourselves. ("We'll just use a longer 
stem and a longer seatpost.") The situation would be a lot like the way it is 
when tall people buy a bike from "the other guys."

So along comes the 63 cm offering. The San Marcos true 63 with its sloping top 
tube is like what another brand would call a "66" or "67." That 63 cm San 
Marcos frame is a BIG frame in the mainstream bike sales arena. But the thing 
is that few other brands actually sell anything that they would call a 66 or 
67. So in that respect, a salesperson could make a case for the San Marcos with 
its 63 cm actual seat tube. "This here frame is unique. This one will actually 
fit you, Mr. Tall Man. Most other brands don't design to your needs. These guys 
do. The double top tube is part of that design. It'll ride better for you this 
way, because you are so tall." Extra tubes in very tall frames is something 
that's been done for awhile, although in the late 20th century, I think it was 
more common in level top tube frames that got greater than 68 cm.

So I think the only thing hard to explain to the general public is the DTT in 
the 59 cm frame. Since the forthcoming Sam Hillbornes are going to single TT in 
the 58 cm frames (the logic being that people opting for that instead of 
Appaloosa are less likely to need it) perhaps a good idea moving forward (if 
the companies decide to keep the San Marcos going) is to do only DTT in the 63 
cm. DTT in 63 cm make a lot of sense in my opinion.

-Jim W.


On Jan 16, 2016, at 11:25 AM, cyclotourist wrote:

> This.
> 
> I'm not anti-DTT, but have fully consumed the Kool-Aide. I can't
> imagine even trying to explain it to the general bike-buying public.
> 
> It's the equivalent of opening up a conversation with a description of
> your favorite RPG 12th level elf-princess wizard with a stranger at a
> bar. Not that I would know anything about that.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, A CT Cyclist  wrote:
>> That's really a shame. Makes me want to buy another one. Perhaps if they did
>> away with the double top tube in the larger sizes it would appeal to more
>> non Riv folks.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
> 
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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Evan Baird]

There's a whole set here.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskmXiehz

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Evan Baird]

I've heard rumblings that the San Marcos may not be long for this world. I 
had hoped that increasing the tire clearance would give it a bump, but 
apparently they're talking about killing it off unless sales suddenly 
increase. I guess it's ultimately up to Riv, since it's technically their 
project, but it doesn't seem like that's the kind of thing they're very 
interested in these days.

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

Thanks for the input, all. Very helpful. Thinking of pulling the trigger on a 
SM frameset and building one up. Or there seem to be a couple of 51cm completes 
on eBay right now. All reviews so far have been positive. Hoping I can 
replicate the feel of my Jones bars with some albatross/stache with a dirt drop 
stem. Still want discs but sounds like side/centerpull will be good enough for 
its use. Maybe someday Grant will drink the disc kool aid. That new segmented 
Appaloosa fork would look great designed for discs. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[cyclotourist]

My only thought on discs, is that stock/mass-produced bikes with discs
have VERY stiff forks. I've ridden my Salsa La Cruz back to back with
my Riv custom, same 40mm MSO tires, and WOW, what a difference in
compliance between the two. The La Cruz is like riding a jack hammer.
Riv is totally plush. YMMV of course, and discs are great IMHO, but
generic disc forks you would find on any non-custom are really
uncomfortable.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:30 PM, s...@austin.utexas.edu
 wrote:
> Thanks for the input, all. Very helpful. Thinking of pulling the trigger on a 
> SM frameset and building one up. Or there seem to be a couple of 51cm 
> completes on eBay right now. All reviews so far have been positive. Hoping I 
> can replicate the feel of my Jones bars with some albatross/stache with a 
> dirt drop stem. Still want discs but sounds like side/centerpull will be good 
> enough for its use. Maybe someday Grant will drink the disc kool aid. That 
> new segmented Appaloosa fork would look great designed for discs.
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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Zach Duval]

There is indeed a 650B San Marcos on eBay currently  (no relation to seller) 
that sports Soma GRs in 42.

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Tim Gavin]

My girlfriends SM is a 51 cm 1st generation (pearly blue).

AFAIK, besides the color change (to tiburon blue), the only other changes
from 1st to 2nd generation San Marcos are to the fork: new fork legs with a
more "classic" curve, and mid-fork eyelets, a la Riv.

I don't believe there were any other changes to geometry or clearance
between the generations.


The 650b and 700c San Marcos frames each have different tire clearances.
The 650b fits a wider tire (stated clearance 38 mm) than the 700c (stated
clearance 35 mm).

In fact, the 650b still has pretty generous room with 650 x 38 tires,
enough for 38 + fenders or for a 650 x 42 tire (Hetres at least, which
don't have the extra thick tread of the Fatty Rumpkin).

Cheers,
Tim

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:06 PM, A CT Cyclist  wrote:

> Tim what year is your girlfriend's San Marco? It looks like the tire
> clearance has gotten wider than the   first editions  were. Mine is a 2012,
> at that time the stated clearance was 35 mm without fenders, 33.3 mm with.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Philip Kim]

I don't think there were tire clearance changes persay, but the fork was 
definitely changed. I believe the first version's fork brake offset was 
really weird, which could account for the Fatty Rumps being too tall.

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 9:13:13 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> My girlfriends SM is a 51 cm 1st generation (pearly blue).
>
> AFAIK, besides the color change (to tiburon blue), the only other changes 
> from 1st to 2nd generation San Marcos are to the fork: new fork legs with a 
> more "classic" curve, and mid-fork eyelets, a la Riv.
>
> I don't believe there were any other changes to geometry or clearance 
> between the generations.
>
>
> The 650b and 700c San Marcos frames each have different tire clearances.  
> The 650b fits a wider tire (stated clearance 38 mm) than the 700c (stated 
> clearance 35 mm).  
>
> In fact, the 650b still has pretty generous room with 650 x 38 tires, 
> enough for 38 + fenders or for a 650 x 42 tire (Hetres at least, which 
> don't have the extra thick tread of the Fatty Rumpkin).  
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:06 PM, A CT Cyclist  > wrote:
>
>> Tim what year is your girlfriend's San Marco? It looks like the tire 
>> clearance has gotten wider than the   first editions  were. Mine is a 2012, 
>> at that time the stated clearance was 35 mm without fenders, 33.3 mm with.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Chad]

This is true, I have both the Fatty Rumpkins and Compass Babyshoes and the 
rumpkins are indeed a little taller with the extra thick tread.

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Chad]

You may be right.  I was looking at the 650b SM a couple of years ago before I 
bought my Sam.  Mark at Riv said he test fit a 650x41 Fatty Rumpkin and it was 
too tall at the fork.

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[A CT Cyclist]

Tim what year is your girlfriend's San Marco? It looks like the tire
clearance has gotten wider than the   first editions  were. Mine is a 2012,
at that time the stated clearance was 35 mm without fenders, 33.3 mm with.
On Jan 7, 2016 9:09 AM, "Tim Gavin"  wrote:

> I agree that Paul Racers give you more fender clearance than Tektro R559
> calipers. I use Racers on my Riv Road (where clearance is very tight) and I
> can comfortably fit VO "hammered" 45 mm fenders over 650 x 38 Pari-Motos.
>
> The arms of the R559 calipers intrude more into the vertical fender
> space.  With those calipers, I could fit 38 mm tires and SKS P45 fenders,
> but not the VO "hammered" 45s (that are a little thicker).
>
>
> On my girlfriend's San Marcos, I could probably fit 650 x 42s under the
> P45 fenders, but the brake caliper would push the front fender lip into the
> tire space occasionally.  650 x 38s give just enough room so the fender
> never rubs.
>
> Pari-Moto tires are cheap, light, supple, and available in both 650 x 38
> and 42 sizes.  Their actual width is 37-38 mm on PL23 rims.  They've held
> up well for us and they ride great.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:
>
>> I fit 42 with fenders fine with Paul Brakes. Other San Marcos on this
>> list has 42 Marathons with SKS fenders.
>>
>>>

 On 01/06/2016 06:31 PM, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 I don't think you can squeeze 42 mm tires with fenders. Soma's website
 states 38 mm without fenders 35 mm with. From what I can tell you can get
 the Straggler as a complete bike or a frame only.

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Tim Gavin]

I agree that Paul Racers give you more fender clearance than Tektro R559
calipers. I use Racers on my Riv Road (where clearance is very tight) and I
can comfortably fit VO "hammered" 45 mm fenders over 650 x 38 Pari-Motos.

The arms of the R559 calipers intrude more into the vertical fender space.
With those calipers, I could fit 38 mm tires and SKS P45 fenders, but not
the VO "hammered" 45s (that are a little thicker).


On my girlfriend's San Marcos, I could probably fit 650 x 42s under the P45
fenders, but the brake caliper would push the front fender lip into the
tire space occasionally.  650 x 38s give just enough room so the fender
never rubs.

Pari-Moto tires are cheap, light, supple, and available in both 650 x 38
and 42 sizes.  Their actual width is 37-38 mm on PL23 rims.  They've held
up well for us and they ride great.

Cheers,
Tim

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> I fit 42 with fenders fine with Paul Brakes. Other San Marcos on this list
> has 42 Marathons with SKS fenders.
>
>>
>>>
>>> On 01/06/2016 06:31 PM, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think you can squeeze 42 mm tires with fenders. Soma's website
>>> states 38 mm without fenders 35 mm with. From what I can tell you can get
>>> the Straggler as a complete bike or a frame only.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Philip Kim]

I fit 42 with fenders fine with Paul Brakes. Other San Marcos on this list 
has 42 Marathons with SKS fenders.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 9:27:01 PM UTC-5, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Of course fff on a Surly but I was talking about the Soma San Marco, which 
> if I understand correctly Sean is now leaning towards.
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 6:46:03 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> According to Surly's web site  
>> http://surlybikes.com/bikes/straggler/frame_highlights
>>
>> *Tire Clearance*
>> *Our Fatties Fit Fine (FFF) stays and our beautiful slope-crowned custom 
>> fork provide room for tires up to 700c x 42mm! With fenders!*
>>
>>
>> On 01/06/2016 06:31 PM, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> I don't think you can squeeze 42 mm tires with fenders. Soma's website 
>> states 38 mm without fenders 35 mm with. From what I can tell you can get 
>> the Straggler as a complete bike or a frame only.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 4:48:59 PM UTC-5, 
>> se...@austin.utexas.edu wrote: 
>>>
>>> Thanks for the replies and feedback all! I am thinking the San Marcos 
 would probably be perfect. Up to this point, I am able to get the bars 
 high 
 enough on my LHT due to having an uncut steerer, but the quill stem 
 certainly would provide easier adjustment not to mention be more appealing 
 than a giant stack of spacers. Also, the lighter nature of the San Marcos 
 tubing is certainly appealing as well. If I can replicate the ride quality 
 of my old Ram, then it will probably be worth it. I'll have to double 
 check 
 the geometry, but I think with a dirt drop stem and some Alba/stache bars 
 it may be upright enough. Can't seem to handle drops anymore (currently 
 using Jones loop bars and love 'em). Looks like 42mm tires could be 
 squeezed in there too with fenders.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Utah]

Hi Sean,
I think the most important thing you have mentioned is that you want to 
rive very upright.  I own a cross check and an LHT.  I recently bought my 
wife a Rivendell (Betty Foy) because I could not get the cross check that I 
bought for her to be comfortable at all.  We almost bought the San Marcos 
but she liked the Betty better.

As you likely know the cross check is the same geometry as the straggler. 
 The primary problem they have is that they have a race geometry and a 
cyclocross race geometry at that.  The cyclocross geometry raises the 
bottom bracket a couple of centimeters so this in turn will put the rider 
in a higher position in relation to the bars which will make it feel like 
the bars are really low like a racing bike.  Look at the bottom bracket 
drop number for each bike.  The BB drop for the cross check will be much 
lower, meaning the cranks are higher off the ground (to clear logs and 
obstacles, etc.)

On the other hand, the Soma San Marcos has a really long head tube with a 
quill stem with will boost the handlebars way up!  

Here is a picture of my wife's (now my daughter's) cross check.

REB Cross Check 

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 9:38:38 AM UTC-7, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I am contemplating a new bike build for long distance riding (centuries, 
> rando rides, etc.). I have neck issues so comfort is a must. I currently 
> ride and commute on a LHT with a very upright riding position. I'm 
> considering a Soma (Riv) San Marcos or a Surly 650B Straggler. Both 
> are appealing in different ways. As a former Rambouillet owner, I miss the 
> Riv geometry and liveliness but the Straggler has the ability to handle 
> 42mm tires and has brakes (of which I was a reluctant convert but now 
> love...I know..."retrogrouch heresy!").
>
> From a recent post it seems the San Marcos is very well regarded. Both 
> frames are 650B (needed for my short stature - frame size 50-52). Any one 
> have experience with both? Hard to find info/reviews on the 650B Straggler. 
> San Marcos might be a more lively long distance ride, but the disc brakes 
> and versatility of the Straggler sure is appealing. Would probably set both 
> up with pull back bars of some sort.
>
> Thanks for any insight!
>
> Sean
> ATX
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[cyclotourist]

I think the Straggler looks like a great bike (loved the purple), but
I think it would be overbuilt for your needs (randos, centuries). I
mean you can do it of course, but the bike is going to be still &
solid. That's going to work against you at the 237 kilometer mark! As
Bill mentioned, the Wolverine would be pretty coo, but maybe the same
problem (overbuilt for needs). Don't forget the Salsa Vaya as well,
although still a bit overbuilt for what you mention
http://salsacycles.com/bikes/archive/2015_vaya_2 Comes with 26" but
should be able to convert to 650X42B but you would need to confirm
that.

Also the Elephant NFE. Low trail fat tired goodness. That would
probably be my pick from all the above, but costs a bit more as well.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Some people run the SOMA Wolverine with 650B wheels also.  If I wanted to
> set up a 650B disk road bike today, that would likely be the frameset I'd
> work with.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 8:38:38 AM UTC-8, se...@austin.utexas.edu
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I am contemplating a new bike build for long distance riding (centuries,
>> rando rides, etc.). I have neck issues so comfort is a must. I currently
>> ride and commute on a LHT with a very upright riding position. I'm
>> considering a Soma (Riv) San Marcos or a Surly 650B Straggler. Both are
>> appealing in different ways. As a former Rambouillet owner, I miss the Riv
>> geometry and liveliness but the Straggler has the ability to handle 42mm
>> tires and has brakes (of which I was a reluctant convert but now love...I
>> know..."retrogrouch heresy!").
>>
>> From a recent post it seems the San Marcos is very well regarded. Both
>> frames are 650B (needed for my short stature - frame size 50-52). Any one
>> have experience with both? Hard to find info/reviews on the 650B Straggler.
>> San Marcos might be a more lively long distance ride, but the disc brakes
>> and versatility of the Straggler sure is appealing. Would probably set both
>> up with pull back bars of some sort.
>>
>> Thanks for any insight!
>>
>> Sean
>> ATX
>
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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Bill Lindsay]

Some people run the SOMA Wolverine with 650B wheels also.  If I wanted to 
set up a 650B disk road bike today, that would likely be the frameset I'd 
work with.  

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 8:38:38 AM UTC-8, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I am contemplating a new bike build for long distance riding (centuries, 
> rando rides, etc.). I have neck issues so comfort is a must. I currently 
> ride and commute on a LHT with a very upright riding position. I'm 
> considering a Soma (Riv) San Marcos or a Surly 650B Straggler. Both 
> are appealing in different ways. As a former Rambouillet owner, I miss the 
> Riv geometry and liveliness but the Straggler has the ability to handle 
> 42mm tires and has brakes (of which I was a reluctant convert but now 
> love...I know..."retrogrouch heresy!").
>
> From a recent post it seems the San Marcos is very well regarded. Both 
> frames are 650B (needed for my short stature - frame size 50-52). Any one 
> have experience with both? Hard to find info/reviews on the 650B Straggler. 
> San Marcos might be a more lively long distance ride, but the disc brakes 
> and versatility of the Straggler sure is appealing. Would probably set both 
> up with pull back bars of some sort.
>
> Thanks for any insight!
>
> Sean
> ATX
>

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

Sorry, missed the "disc" brakes of the Straggler (in the first paragraph). 
Luckily both bikes can handle brakes :)! - Sean

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 10:38:38 AM UTC-6, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I am contemplating a new bike build for long distance riding (centuries, 
> rando rides, etc.). I have neck issues so comfort is a must. I currently 
> ride and commute on a LHT with a very upright riding position. I'm 
> considering a Soma (Riv) San Marcos or a Surly 650B Straggler. Both 
> are appealing in different ways. As a former Rambouillet owner, I miss the 
> Riv geometry and liveliness but the Straggler has the ability to handle 
> 42mm tires and has brakes (of which I was a reluctant convert but now 
> love...I know..."retrogrouch heresy!").
>
> From a recent post it seems the San Marcos is very well regarded. Both 
> frames are 650B (needed for my short stature - frame size 50-52). Any one 
> have experience with both? Hard to find info/reviews on the 650B Straggler. 
> San Marcos might be a more lively long distance ride, but the disc brakes 
> and versatility of the Straggler sure is appealing. Would probably set both 
> up with pull back bars of some sort.
>
> Thanks for any insight!
>
> Sean
> ATX
>

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[A CT Cyclist]

I don't think you can squeeze 42 mm tires with fenders. Soma's website 
states 38 mm without fenders 35 mm with. From what I can tell you can get 
the Straggler as a complete bike or a frame only.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 4:48:59 PM UTC-5, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies and feedback all! I am thinking the San Marcos 
>> would probably be perfect. Up to this point, I am able to get the bars high 
>> enough on my LHT due to having an uncut steerer, but the quill stem 
>> certainly would provide easier adjustment not to mention be more appealing 
>> than a giant stack of spacers. Also, the lighter nature of the San Marcos 
>> tubing is certainly appealing as well. If I can replicate the ride quality 
>> of my old Ram, then it will probably be worth it. I'll have to double check 
>> the geometry, but I think with a dirt drop stem and some Alba/stache bars 
>> it may be upright enough. Can't seem to handle drops anymore (currently 
>> using Jones loop bars and love 'em). Looks like 42mm tires could be 
>> squeezed in there too with fenders.
>>
>
> Sean
> ATX 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[Steve Palincsar]

According to Surly's web site 
http://surlybikes.com/bikes/straggler/frame_highlights

/
/
/*Tire Clearance*/
//
/Our Fatties Fit Fine (FFF) stays and our beautiful slope-crowned custom 
fork provide room for tires up to 700c x 42mm! With fenders!/



On 01/06/2016 06:31 PM, A CT Cyclist wrote:
I don't think you can squeeze 42 mm tires with fenders. Soma's website 
states 38 mm without fenders 35 mm with. From what I can tell you can 
get the Straggler as a complete bike or a frame only.


On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 4:48:59 PM UTC-5, 
se...@austin.utexas.edu wrote:


Thanks for the replies and feedback all! I am thinking the San
Marcos would probably be perfect. Up to this point, I am able
to get the bars high enough on my LHT due to having an uncut
steerer, but the quill stem certainly would provide easier
adjustment not to mention be more appealing than a giant stack
of spacers. Also, the lighter nature of the San Marcos tubing
is certainly appealing as well. If I can replicate the ride
quality of my old Ram, then it will probably be worth it. I'll
have to double check the geometry, but I think with a dirt
drop stem and some Alba/stache bars it may be upright enough.
Can't seem to handle drops anymore (currently using Jones loop
bars and love 'em). Looks like 42mm tires could be squeezed in
there too with fenders.





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Re: [RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[A CT Cyclist]

Of course fff on a Surly but I was talking about the Soma San Marco, which 
if I understand correctly Sean is now leaning towards.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 6:46:03 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> According to Surly's web site  
> http://surlybikes.com/bikes/straggler/frame_highlights
>
> *Tire Clearance*
> *Our Fatties Fit Fine (FFF) stays and our beautiful slope-crowned custom 
> fork provide room for tires up to 700c x 42mm! With fenders!*
>
>
> On 01/06/2016 06:31 PM, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> I don't think you can squeeze 42 mm tires with fenders. Soma's website 
> states 38 mm without fenders 35 mm with. From what I can tell you can get 
> the Straggler as a complete bike or a frame only.
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 4:48:59 PM UTC-5, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
> wrote: 
>>
>> Thanks for the replies and feedback all! I am thinking the San Marcos 
>>> would probably be perfect. Up to this point, I am able to get the bars high 
>>> enough on my LHT due to having an uncut steerer, but the quill stem 
>>> certainly would provide easier adjustment not to mention be more appealing 
>>> than a giant stack of spacers. Also, the lighter nature of the San Marcos 
>>> tubing is certainly appealing as well. If I can replicate the ride quality 
>>> of my old Ram, then it will probably be worth it. I'll have to double check 
>>> the geometry, but I think with a dirt drop stem and some Alba/stache bars 
>>> it may be upright enough. Can't seem to handle drops anymore (currently 
>>> using Jones loop bars and love 'em). Looks like 42mm tires could be 
>>> squeezed in there too with fenders.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos or Straggler 650B?

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

>
> Thanks for the replies and feedback all! I am thinking the San Marcos 
> would probably be perfect. Up to this point, I am able to get the bars high 
> enough on my LHT due to having an uncut steerer, but the quill stem 
> certainly would provide easier adjustment not to mention be more appealing 
> than a giant stack of spacers. Also, the lighter nature of the San Marcos 
> tubing is certainly appealing as well. If I can replicate the ride quality 
> of my old Ram, then it will probably be worth it. I'll have to double check 
> the geometry, but I think with a dirt drop stem and some Alba/stache bars 
> it may be upright enough. Can't seem to handle drops anymore (currently 
> using Jones loop bars and love 'em). Looks like 42mm tires could be 
> squeezed in there too with fenders.
>

Sean
ATX 

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