[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Tully Lanter]

Thanks, Davey. That makes a whole lot of sense. 

I ended up going a different direction, thanks to an extraordinary (and totally 
unexpected) deal on a city/light cargo bike that meets all of my utilitarian 
needs to the letter.

The savings were such that a second bike for recreational "needs"...the longer, 
faster weekend road rides and whatnot...is totally feasible. And easily 
justified. I'll be watching the Roadini discussions/reviews here with great 
interest! 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Davey Two Shoes]

Does "do it all" include doing roadie duties or frequent high speed riding? 
If so I'd say no. Will the clem go fast? Yes, mine often does ;) but is it 
a fast bike? No way Jose.
I just posted the following verbatim in another thread so sorry for 
redundancy:


While super capable of much more (ie actual single track, touring) the Clem 
is at heart a super and tough cruiser. It'll do that other stuff happily 
but It would rather take you to a coffee shop with your dog loaded up front 
(14 lb mini aussie) down a dirt path to a creek with a hammock, lunch and 
book or home from the farmers market with a couple days worth of groceries. 
It is a utilitarian bike first, but it can and does do so much more. I love 
my Clem.



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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Tully Lanter]

After your collective sizing feedback, plus confirmation from Rivelo and 
elsewhere, a 52cm Clem L is definitely in my future. Just a matter of where 
to find one! Will create a separate wanted post here, and keep my fingers 
crossed. Thanks again to you all for the guidance.

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Belopsky]

The Clem L is what I was considering when I bought my Brompton (There were 
no Clem L's in stock then!).
Now that there are Clem L's (though the green is sold out...) I want the 
Clem.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya, Tully, I had a bit of a journey with the step-through/mixte stigma, 
too, which is really just residue from decades of marketing. 

It was always a silly idea. Folding bikes and recumbents have low stepover; as 
do big, burly, sail-down-the-mountain bikes. People all over the world ride 
"dutch bikes" and such to work and shopping every day with low tubes which 
allow them to wear regular clothes without ripping pants and kicking the 
toptube with dress shoes.

I was still on the fence a year ago 'cause I'm an old guy steeped in old 
marketing, but Grant finally knocked me off that perch. I was at RBW HQ last 
summer and here comes GP tuling up to the shop on a lovely orange Clem L with a 
big-old smile on his face. Sold! Right then I realized step-throughs make all 
the sense in the world, and the Clem with the curvy droptube is SO pretty. 
Will's Cheviot was another player in my conversion to stop caring about old 
marketing and embrace pretty frames that are easy to mount/dismount at 
stoplights. Bonus: No toptubes gouged by handlebars. Let that bar swing, baby! 

I love my gorgeous Bronzey Green (Will's descriptor) Clem L, and will love my 
upcoming RBW Blue Cheviot just as much. Get the L!


Joe Bernard
Vallejo CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Tully Lanter]

I have in fact been leaning toward the Clem L (or a step-through version of
whatever else I might choose). After getting over the less-than-rational
"girl's bike" stigma, I came to appreciate it greatly on previous bikes and
would love to go back to that design!

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:03 AM, REC  wrote:

> I think you're considering the right bike for your application, but I have
> to say that I don't own a Clem, but a Joe Appaloosa (my first Riv and I
> LOVE it), as that one fit my needs better.
>
> However, if needed a bike for what you describe, I would have bought a
> Clem L.  If you're thinking Clem H, also consider a Joe Appaloosa.
> Gossamer on this board has a 58 cm one listed for sale and they come up for
> sale every so often.   I don't think you could go wrong with Clem L
> or either Clem or Joe looking for an "H".
>
> Roberta
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[iamkeith]

I think you've gotten your answer, but wanted to add my vote that you 
absolutely want the 52. No question.  I think it would be almost perfect, which 
makes you very lucky because the limited number of sizes can be a problem.  Im 
6'1 1/2" with a 87cm pbh, and my 59 is marginally too big.  Reach is ideal if 
not a wee bit short for use with bosco bars, but stack is too high, and I have 
zero standover clearance.

Im usually with Garth on this, in that i believe that proper fit trumps 
everthing.  But i was just thinking the other day how much i love mine, for 
exactly the use you describe, DESPITE the fact that my fit isn't ideal.  
If/when i can get a custom, it will basically be a fully-lugged 56cm clem H 
with 700c wheels:  the missing size.  At that point. I think I'd get rid of 
most of the 20+ bikes i have hoarded, and anything else would essentially 
become a "special event" bike: all rounder for touring, ram for all-day road 
rides, a go fast, a couple of actual mountain bikes, and a snow bike for the 
other 7 months.

As it is, I choose the clem most of the time anyway.

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[REC]

I think you're considering the right bike for your application, but I have 
to say that I don't own a Clem, but a Joe Appaloosa (my first Riv and I 
LOVE it), as that one fit my needs better.

However, if needed a bike for what you describe, I would have bought a Clem 
L.  If you're thinking Clem H, also consider a Joe Appaloosa.  Gossamer on 
this board has a 58 cm one listed for sale and they come up for sale every 
so often.   I don't think you could go wrong with Clem L or either Clem or 
Joe looking for an "H".

Roberta 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Brad]

I'm not so sure if Tully would fit the Clem L. I'm 6'0 with an 88" PBH and, 
with 170mm cranks, I don't think I have more than two cm of seat post 
showing above the seat lug. I definitely have a ton of standover though!

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 11:01:24 AM UTC-4, Brendan McD wrote:
>
> Tully,
>
> If you can make it down to Portland, you can visit Rivelo. John frequently 
> has a good stock of Clems, and is even hosting an event with Grant this 
> Saturday afternoon (10/28).
>
> Another thought, you could almost certainly get away with the larger frame 
> if you go with the "L" configuration, since stand over will no longer be an 
> issue. 
>
> Brendan
> Portland, OR
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Brendan McD]

Tully,

If you can make it down to Portland, you can visit Rivelo. John frequently 
has a good stock of Clems, and is even hosting an event with Grant this 
Saturday afternoon (10/28).

Another thought, you could almost certainly get away with the larger frame 
if you go with the "L" configuration, since stand over will no longer be an 
issue. 

Brendan
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Tully Lanter]

Paul: great idea to visit Rivelo! The peace of mind plus an excuse to 
explore Portland sounds like a solid plan.

Will contact Riv directly in the meantime, and look forward to (presumably) 
getting on a Clem in the very near future! 

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Eric Daume]

I picked up a used Clem H

this summer and ended up selling it pretty quickly. I think the frameset
would work out fine for me, but I didn't like many on the stock components:

- I'm not a Bosco fan, no "just right" position that I would use for 80% of
my riding

- Stock tires were terrible, the worst tires I've ever used. How can a 2"
tire ride so harshly?

- The saddle caused me physical pain after just a few minutes, much too wide

- The stock shifters shifted pretty poorly, what with the micro clicks.


All pretty small stuff that could have been easily fixed, but I wasn't in
the mood and just sold the complete for about what I paid for it. So my
advice is to think about a frame up build. Maybe I'll try this again in the
future.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:32 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I like my Clem a lot. I'm your size and I have the 52, which I would
> recommend. I used it every day on my 15-mile round trip commute for about a
> year (stopped when my job stopped), and took it on some nice adventure
> rides, including an ascent of Mt. Beacon. I would also suggest considering
> the L version if you aren't already. It can do everything the H does, and
> more!
>
>
> On Thursday,
> October 26, 2017 at 11:42:53 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for the helpful feedback here. Sounds like a great
>> match indeed!
>>
>> Very doubtful I could try one in advance, since there are not yet any Riv
>> dealers here around Seattle. Will definitely chat with Rivendell about
>> sizing, since my short-ish legs + long arms combined with Bosco bars makes
>> for a non-obvious (to me) sizing solution. Thanks again.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Brencho]

good thread timing! i just ordered a 52 Clem L recently and just have to 
ship some parts over to riv and wait for the build to happen. i'm 5'9ish 
and 85 pbh, and my wife is 5'5 and uh like 78 or 79 pbh. the plan is to use 
it as a kid hauler / utility bike that we can both use, with a quick 
release thingy to adjust the seat post as needed. it'll also make an 
awesome bike for guests since lots of people will be able to ride it. set 
up with a b67 sprunged saddle, bosco bars, huge wald basket on front, and 
rack on back with a kid seat. sticking with stock kenda tires for now but 
will look forward to putting some ne plus ultra fatties on there sometime 
soon. 
 

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 9:32:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I like my Clem a lot. I'm your size and I have the 52, which I would 
> recommend. I used it every day on my 15-mile round trip commute for about a 
> year (stopped when my job stopped), and took it on some nice adventure 
> rides, including an ascent of Mt. Beacon. I would also suggest considering 
> the L version if you aren't already. It can do everything the H does, and 
> more! 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like my Clem a lot. I'm your size and I have the 52, which I would 
recommend. I used it every day on my 15-mile round trip commute for about a 
year (stopped when my job stopped), and took it on some nice adventure 
rides, including an ascent of Mt. Beacon. I would also suggest considering 
the L version if you aren't already. It can do everything the H does, and 
more! 


On Thursday, 
October 26, 2017 at 11:42:53 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone, for the helpful feedback here. Sounds like a great match 
> indeed! 
>
> Very doubtful I could try one in advance, since there are not yet any Riv 
> dealers here around Seattle. Will definitely chat with Rivendell about 
> sizing, since my short-ish legs + long arms combined with Bosco bars makes 
> for a non-obvious (to me) sizing solution. Thanks again.
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Jay Connolly]

I have one of the big Clem L's on the way (another month, I think), and I 
can't wait. I want it as my do-all'er--hauling, run-arounding, some rail 
trailing. I've read nothing but good things about these bikes.

Jay

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I found Clem to be more than reasonable for my own needs (and wants.)  
After going down the fixer-upper rabbit hole several times after getting 
back into cycling in recent years I finally invested in a Clem as my first 
(and only) Rivendell and first complete bike purchase since 1994/95 (when I 
bought my first adult bike... a low/mid-range rigid steel 
Mongoose mtb whose frame I still have and still want to build back up for 
some reason.)  In my case I went with a 65cm Clem H to match my 6'5" height 
and 97ish pbh... and I'm on the low end of the pbh range for this beast.  I 
bought sight unseen during pre-order after already being familiar with the 
initial release in the smaller sizes but still never having ridden a Clem 
or any other Riv.  The only area of disappointment for me was the discovery 
that this second batch of completes no longer included the bullmoose 
version of the bosco bar.  Mine came with a 55cm cromo bosco bar and 12cm 
tallux stem (which I understand the fixed size/shape of boscomoose 
presented packaging challenges for the completes.)  I got over that quickly 
once I took the stock build for a ride anyway.  I still eventually replaced 
with a chocomoose bar considering I still really wanted a moose bar that 
wouldn't be able to slip under load since I had experienced it before 
with swept back bars and I was interested in trying the Choco design.  I've 
been very pleased with my Clem (aka Herman Clemmington) but haven't given 
it anywhere near the love it deserves with limited saddle time over the 
past year.

I do not recall the pbh ranges for the smaller sizes but if you are on the 
cusp between sizes I would definitely consult with Riv and their 
sizing/geometry charts to find the best fit depending on your personal 
preferences regarding handlebar, riding posture, etc.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 11:27:14 AM UTC-4, Tully Lanter wrote:

> Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Paul Choi]

You should take a day trip to Portland. I think that Rivelo might still 
have some in stock. I think the 52 would fit you fine. 
The Clem is great for any riding when you don't care about how fast you 
need to get there. For me that is about 98% of my riding. 

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 11:42:53 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone, for the helpful feedback here. Sounds like a great match 
> indeed! 
>
> Very doubtful I could try one in advance, since there are not yet any Riv 
> dealers here around Seattle. Will definitely chat with Rivendell about 
> sizing, since my short-ish legs + long arms combined with Bosco bars makes 
> for a non-obvious (to me) sizing solution. Thanks again.
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Joe Bernard]

I'll add one more (to my own previous) vote for Clem for stability. I e-kitted 
both of mine and - as any ebiker will tell you - you can really get cooking on 
these things. Clem has a very motorcycle-like ability to stay straight and true 
whilst pounding over uneven, pockmarked pavement at a ridiculous pace, then 
turn in and hold a line beautifully in corners. I imagine this translates well 
in dirt, too. Get one!

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Tully Lanter]

Thanks, everyone, for the helpful feedback here. Sounds like a great match 
indeed! 

Very doubtful I could try one in advance, since there are not yet any Riv 
dealers here around Seattle. Will definitely chat with Rivendell about 
sizing, since my short-ish legs + long arms combined with Bosco bars makes 
for a non-obvious (to me) sizing solution. Thanks again.

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hey Tully,

I really like my 52cm Clem H. I use it for local transportation and running 
errands, as well as for on- and off-road weekend rambles. It was my first 
Rivendell frame, and I was pleasantly surprised that, despite it being 
billed as their budget bike, the frame is well-built, the paint is superb 
and the what lugs it does have are beautiful. Plus, it has lots of mounting 
points for racks and fenders. I'm 5'-9" with an 84cm PBH, so I think the 52 
will fit you just fine. (Plus, it's a really big bike.)

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Belopsky]

This thread has made me revisit the consideration for the Clem L, but I do 
not need it. If someone were to buy my Brompton, well then OK, but that 
bike sort of fills a different need as well..

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Brad]

I just bought a Clem L as a commuting, shopping, not-in-a-rush around town 
bike. It works great. I really wanted a bike that I could ride dressed 
nicely- I wanted to be able to wear a sports coat without the shoulders 
binding because I was reaching too far forward and to wear nice pants 
without worrying about blowing out the crotch swinging my leg over the 
seat. It slows me down on commutes in a good way. I haven't ridden the Clem 
offroad yet, but I was planning on taking it on the iBOB Old Croton 
Aqueduct trail ride before it got rescheduled. It's not a bike for every 
situation, but it will definitely do all the things you listed (and more).

Brad
Queens

Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Ed Carolipio]

I can't comment on sizing but I think the Clem checks all your boxes. Riv 
HQ has always been welcome to chat about about sizing and fit so I suggest 
giving them a call as well.

Clems are on the upper end in terms of price for cro-moly steel bicycles 
but IMO the price is competitive, the frame/fork are worth the premium, and 
the parts mix is pretty good. And honestly the Clem L is unusual in a good 
way: not too many mountain bike step-thrus out there. I'd have gotten one 
for me if the Bubbe mixte hadn't fit me - but I did buy one for my better 
half.

Here are a couple of blahg posts for inspiration:

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/riveopardy-2-grant-and-general-notes
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/clem-l-by-dominic

--Ed C.

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Julian Westerhout]

Tully, 

I bought a Clem late in the spring to gradually replace my prior 
commuter/around town bike -- a greatly modified 1980s Trek 620. As of this 
fall, the Trek has essentially been replaced, as I find myself very happy 
with the Clem. Larger tires and a relaxed geometry makes it more 
comfortable on the bumpy roads I usually travel, and makes short off road 
excursions not only possible, but fun. The gearing is ideal for hilly 
areas, as it goes from super low to middling -- in my mostly flat environs 
I almost never go into the small ring,but have plenty of gear to toddle 
along a vigorous clip when inspired to do so. 

I have a front rack and a Wald basket, and have been happy with that. I've 
used a Burley QR adaptor to attach my cargo trailer to the hooded dropouts, 
and it tows very well for big load trips. 

I really am very happy with the bike, and (although this may or may not be 
a positive) it has drawn more questions and verbal admiration than any 
other bike I own. I say go for it! 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington , IL 

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 10:27:14 AM UTC-5, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Deacon Patrick]

Bark arf! (Google translation: Good tree!)

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 9:27:14 AM UTC-6, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> All in all, does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>

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