Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[René Sterental]

Here is some empirical learnings:

When Rick at D (RBW official/recommended painter, who apparently also
painted my custom for Steve Rex) re-painted my Homer and my Hunqapillar, he
told me that paint needed a long period of time to "cure" or whatever the
correct term is, and until that process was complete, it was very prone to
chipping easily. He sort of recommended I leave my bikes hanging for at
least a month before riding them to allow this to happen.

With many of the Waterford bikes that are custom made for a specific order,
the time between the painting being applied and the customer getting the
fully assembled bike and riding it may still be too short (speculation
here) and so in its early days, the bike may be more prone to chipping the
paint than when it's older. This, of course, excludes large hits, prolonged
rubbing, falls against sharp objects, etc., that will chip/scratch the
paint no matter what.

I also feel your paint, but now that your bike has its first real
scratch/chip, it may be ages before you get another one... such is paint
karma!

Of course, some of us go bezerk no matter when it happens, and calling it
beausage is just a "pretend" name to feel OK with it. Others don't really
care. It must be in the genes, because it turns out that my son is just
like me with his stuff in this regard.

Best,

René

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Patrick, I saw that setup when I first started looking at Fiats. I'm not
> convinced that little plastic spoiler is a good base for a rack clamp (the
> one on my convertible top *definitely* isn't).
>
> Yes, back in the olden times people would modify 500/600s with Abarth
> parts. My 500 Abarth is a twice-the-size homage to them :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, I saw that setup when I first started looking at Fiats. I'm not 
convinced that little plastic spoiler is a good base for a rack clamp (the one 
on my convertible top *definitely* isn't).

Yes, back in the olden times people would modify 500/600s with Abarth parts. My 
500 Abarth is a twice-the-size homage to them :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Patrick Moore]

It was long, long ago (in a galaxy far, far away, too) but my first Riv
custom, early 1995, Waterford built and painted, had very nice green paint
that chipped easily. I have to add, too, that in my limited experience with
trunk racks, I've never had one chip my paint.

Patrick "if you don't like it, you can chip my paint" Moore

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Bob B  wrote:

> I kinda feel like venting on this topic. My 3-week old Hunq got a big
> paint chip on the top tube. I'm not faulting Riv or Waterford; I didn't see
> it happen and can't speak with much knowledge to the quality of Waterford
> paint compared to others. But since it's so new it kinda sucks.
>
> I think it happened while transporting the bike on a trunk rack on my car.
> The chip occurred close to where the TT had been strapped to the rack...
> the typical soft plastic/rubber kind on car racks. I guess I should add
> another layer of something for extra cushion next time. But Ive been using
> that rack forever, never have seen that happen. I wonder if that's grounds
> to say the Waterford paint is "prone to chipping."
>
> I didn't build a show bike and I'm on board with *beausage* and will
> probably end up doing the fingernail polish thing. I will surely ride this
> bike so heavily that other chips will happen and I won't care anymore.
> Maybe it had nothing to do with Waterford's paint job and all to do with my
> rack and what bump or pot hole I may have ran over. But it still sucks it
> happened while this—my first Rivendell—is brand-spanking-new.
>
> Onward, to more riding!
>
> Thank you for letting me vent.
>
> Bob B
> Brooklyn, NY
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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Jonathan Anderson]

Oh boy, I've been waiting for a thread like this! I was installing a front 
rack in my building's bike garage and thoughtlessly leaned my bike against 
a haggard ebike to admire my work. It slipped and the TT scraped 
(screeeach) against the licence plate hanger of the ebike. My Clem, yes, 
just a Clem..., suffered a couple nice scratches, including a nice black 
one that I have not been able to remove the paint from (my bike is 
blue...).  This has been weighing on my mind ever since.  So careless!! I 
considered thrashing my bike on the trails to lessen the burden of guilt, 
but soon realized it would only make things worse. While I'm sure the Clem 
will weather magnificently, I struggle to reconcile the erroneous manner in 
which it happened. I also blame the ebike, but that hasn't helped much. 
Everyone hates those things. Kind of feel bad for it, actually... 

I've also warped my back wheel/rim launching off a doozy of a curb, but 
that was somehow worth it... Perfect two-wheel landing straight into a 
trail. Still feels good. Does RBW sell the 650B DM18's? 

Point is, I feel your pain. Really. Not that any of this has anything to do 
with Waterford.  

J

On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> I feel your pain! I did the same thing on a car rack on my new A. Homer 
> Hilsen! (Waterford built). Mine happened on the seat tube and took some of 
> the decal with it! I sealed it up with clear nail polish but knowing  it 
> was my own doing and could have been prevented, is salt in the wound!
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:49:43 PM UTC-4, Bob B wrote:
>
>> I kinda feel like venting on this topic. My 3-week old Hunq got a big 
>> paint chip on the top tube. I'm not faulting Riv or Waterford; I didn't see 
>> it happen and can't speak with much knowledge to the quality of Waterford 
>> paint compared to others. But since it's so new it kinda sucks.
>>
>> I think it happened while transporting the bike on a trunk rack on my 
>> car. The chip occurred close to where the TT had been strapped to 
>> the rack... the typical soft plastic/rubber kind on car racks. I guess I 
>> should add another layer of something for extra cushion next time. But Ive 
>> been using that rack forever, never have seen that happen. I wonder if 
>> that's grounds to say the Waterford paint is "prone to chipping."
>>
>> I didn't build a show bike and I'm on board with *beausage* and will 
>> probably end up doing the fingernail polish thing. I will surely ride this 
>> bike so heavily that other chips will happen and I won't care anymore. 
>> Maybe it had nothing to do with Waterford's paint job and all to do with my 
>> rack and what bump or pot hole I may have ran over. But it still sucks it 
>> happened while this—my first Rivendell—is brand-spanking-new. 
>>
>> Onward, to more riding!
>>
>> Thank you for letting me vent.
>>
>> Bob B
>> Brooklyn, NY
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Bob B]

> I despise those trunk racks.


Yep, me too! I put it in the back (of my Subaru wagon) when I can flip down 
the rear passenger seats, but this time I was traveling with people in the 
back seat, and in case you didn't know, 58cm Hunqs are huge. No way i was 
getting that in the cargo area of my trunk. (I tried!) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Joe Bernard]

I despise those trunk racks. I'm in the process of adding cable splitters to my 
Appaloosa so I can remove wheels and bars, then put the frame in the back of my 
little Fiat. I won't transport it often, but it's going semi-rinko when I do. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Bill Lindsay]

True.  You say "trunk rack" and I hear "paint destroyer"

On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 08/04/2016 02:49 PM, Bob B wrote: 
> > I think it happened while transporting the bike on a trunk rack on my 
> > car. 
>
> Racks like that are notorious for doing that to bicycle paint jobs.   
> Ditch the trunk rack and get a wagon, where you can carry the bike 
> inside, or a roof rack (but if you do, be careful around garages). 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/04/2016 02:49 PM, Bob B wrote:
I think it happened while transporting the bike on a trunk rack on my 
car. 


Racks like that are notorious for doing that to bicycle paint jobs.   
Ditch the trunk rack and get a wagon, where you can carry the bike 
inside, or a roof rack (but if you do, be careful around garages).



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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Brian Campbell]

Bob,

I feel your pain! I did the same thing on a car rack on my new A. Homer 
Hilsen! (Waterford built). Mine happened on the seat tube and took some of 
the decal with it! I sealed it up with clear nail polish but knowing  it 
was my own doing and could have been prevented, is salt in the wound!

On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:49:43 PM UTC-4, Bob B wrote:

> I kinda feel like venting on this topic. My 3-week old Hunq got a big 
> paint chip on the top tube. I'm not faulting Riv or Waterford; I didn't see 
> it happen and can't speak with much knowledge to the quality of Waterford 
> paint compared to others. But since it's so new it kinda sucks.
>
> I think it happened while transporting the bike on a trunk rack on my car. 
> The chip occurred close to where the TT had been strapped to the rack... 
> the typical soft plastic/rubber kind on car racks. I guess I should add 
> another layer of something for extra cushion next time. But Ive been using 
> that rack forever, never have seen that happen. I wonder if that's grounds 
> to say the Waterford paint is "prone to chipping."
>
> I didn't build a show bike and I'm on board with *beausage* and will 
> probably end up doing the fingernail polish thing. I will surely ride this 
> bike so heavily that other chips will happen and I won't care anymore. 
> Maybe it had nothing to do with Waterford's paint job and all to do with my 
> rack and what bump or pot hole I may have ran over. But it still sucks it 
> happened while this—my first Rivendell—is brand-spanking-new. 
>
> Onward, to more riding!
>
> Thank you for letting me vent.
>
> Bob B
> Brooklyn, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Bob B]

I kinda feel like venting on this topic. My 3-week old Hunq got a big paint 
chip on the top tube. I'm not faulting Riv or Waterford; I didn't see it 
happen and can't speak with much knowledge to the quality of Waterford 
paint compared to others. But since it's so new it kinda sucks.

I think it happened while transporting the bike on a trunk rack on my car. 
The chip occurred close to where the TT had been strapped to the rack... 
the typical soft plastic/rubber kind on car racks. I guess I should add 
another layer of something for extra cushion next time. But Ive been using 
that rack forever, never have seen that happen. I wonder if that's grounds 
to say the Waterford paint is "prone to chipping."

I didn't build a show bike and I'm on board with *beausage* and will 
probably end up doing the fingernail polish thing. I will surely ride this 
bike so heavily that other chips will happen and I won't care anymore. 
Maybe it had nothing to do with Waterford's paint job and all to do with my 
rack and what bump or pot hole I may have ran over. But it still sucks it 
happened while this—my first Rivendell—is brand-spanking-new. 

Onward, to more riding!

Thank you for letting me vent.

Bob B
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Addison Wilhite]

I've found Gunnar paint to be very good.  They got a bad rap early on with
some poor paint and that reputation has lived on in the internet ether far
beyond the reality of the quality of paint since the late oughts.   Not
quite the same as Waterford but close.

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On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:32 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> I have a Gunnar (Waterford brand) with a lot chips. But it's my MTB that I
> crash into trees and rocks and stuff, so not a direct comparison. I think
> it's a touch softer than my Japanese painted Rivs, but not hugely so (Not
> going to compare it to a JB Imron paint job).
>
> The seat tube is out of spec though. Always have had problems with
> slipping posts.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>
>> I have a Roadeo built and painted by Waterford and the paint is flawless.
>> However, I am very careful with my bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:38:34 PM UTC-7, Richard L wrote:
>>
>>> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave
>>> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that
>>> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.
>>> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the
>>> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.
>>> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Garth]

  
Waterford has painted so many frames there is no way to sum them all up 
into generalizations .  I myself do not hold them up as some kind or 
perfect, beyond reproach company , from personal experience .  

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Ryan Fleming]

I have a 1997 Waterford-built all-rounder and I think the paint job is 
holding up really quite well. Obviously, it's not a Joe Bell paint job. 
Now, to be fair,my AR isn't in daily hard use ... because I don't have 
totally secure inside storage at work.The paint job does have a few minor 
nicks and scrapes  . At home, the bike is stored inside and it hasn't been 
locked outside very often, so it doesn't lead a very hard life. All cleaned 
up, it doesn't look like an almost 20-year old bike; it's ageing much more 
gracefully than its owner, I'm afraid.

Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-5, Richard L wrote:
>
> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave 
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that 
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.  
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the 
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.  
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[john muhl]

The paint on my Waterford Atlantis is noticeably tougher than the paint on 
my Taiwanese Betty Foy or Toyo Saluki. So if you are choosing amongst Rivs 
based on paint toughness the Waterfords seem the clear winner to me.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-5, Richard L wrote:
>
> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave 
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that 
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.  
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the 
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.  
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Patrick Moore]

My first custom was Waterford build and painted. The build was very good;
the paint was indeed prone to chipping. But that was over 20 years ago; I
can't say if their paint today is the same.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:38:34 PM UTC-7, Richard L wrote:


> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.
> Thanks--
>


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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Richard L]

My question is out of curiosity.  Just wondering if members' experiences 
are the same as what I've read elsewhere.  As with the vast majority of 
Rivendell owners, I have only good to say about Rivendell.  I'm currently 
not looking for another bike, and if I was it would be a Waterford-built 
Rivendell.  I'm confident that if the paint truly was a problem, Rivendell 
would make it right.  I've seen the feedback on D, and Joe Bell's comment 
about Rick, "Well, I guess you don't need me anymore."

Thanks.




 

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Comotion001]

Richard, I own a 1992 Paramount, original owner, built and painted by 
Waterford, and a 2007 Waterford, both have excellent paint jobs and are 
holding up well. Bill

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 7:38:34 PM UTC-4, Richard L wrote:
>
> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave 
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that 
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.  
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the 
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.  
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Bill Lindsay]

Hi Richard

What is this research feeding into?  Are you considering a Waterford bike, 
but maybe you'll pass if the overwhelming evidence is the paint is poor? 
 Do you already have a bad Waterford paintjob and you are looking for 
corroboration as you decide what to do about it?  Are you just curious and 
collecting data?  Do you have a bad Rivendell paint job?  I'm just curious 
what your research project is.  

Anyway I've owned three Waterford-made Rivendells.  One was powdercoated, I 
assume by Maas Brothers, so no data for you.  One was a Hilsen, which was 
painted, but I don't know for sure that Waterford painted it.  Rivendell 
has a video showing how D paints Hilsens.  I had no complaints about that 
paintjob.  The third bike is an Atlantis, about which I similarly don't 
know whether it was Waterford or D that painted it.  That paint job also 
has given me no issues.  

I also have a Gunnar, which was made by Waterford and for sure was painted 
by Waterford.  That paintjob is terrific.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:38:34 PM UTC-7, Richard L wrote:
>
> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave 
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that 
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.  
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the 
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.  
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Don Compton]

I have a Roadeo built and painted by Waterford and the paint is flawless. 
However, I am very careful with my bike.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:38:34 PM UTC-7, Richard L wrote:
>
> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave 
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that 
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.  
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the 
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.  
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[cyclotourist]

I have a Gunnar (Waterford brand) with a lot chips. But it's my MTB that I
crash into trees and rocks and stuff, so not a direct comparison. I think
it's a touch softer than my Japanese painted Rivs, but not hugely so (Not
going to compare it to a JB Imron paint job).

The seat tube is out of spec though. Always have had problems with slipping
posts.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> I have a Roadeo built and painted by Waterford and the paint is flawless.
> However, I am very careful with my bike.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:38:34 PM UTC-7, Richard L wrote:
>
>> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave
>> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that
>> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.
>> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the
>> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.
>> Thanks.
>>
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