Re: [RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Scott Sutherland]

Thanks Adam — sounds like a great ride. Enjoyed the Mt Tam video, though it
makes me seriously question the life choices that have kept me in New
England for too long.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:48 PM Adam Leibow  wrote:

> Scott, handling is normal/fine although I think the stem could be 10-20mm
> longer to fit optimally (i go back and forth on that which is why I haven't
> made the change yet). I highly recommend this bike, rides zippily like a
> Homer and the color options are great this batch. It handles well on single
> track. I ride it around golden gate park trails here in SF. Also, here is a
> video edit I made riding the Road Plus on Mt. Tamalpais dirt roads:
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B5RwAfelCn4/
>
> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 8:16:35 AM UTC-8, Scott S wrote:
>>
>> Adam, great looking ride — love the fenders. I’m considering a road + as
>> well for an all arounder, including some trail use — any experience on
>> singletrack w yours? Also curious about long TT / short stem combo and any
>> impact on balance or handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:04 PM Adam Leibow 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got the new road plus and it rides really great. took it up all over
>>> mt. tam and marin. it's been my wet weather bike recently. this is the
>>> "53cm". (so called because of the compact geometry - it fits like their 58
>>> rim brake bikes)
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5530.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb
 not to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the
 horizontal dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.
 Since the last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've
 acquired 4 bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.
 Vertical dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the
 world.  The BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it
 irresistable.  So, new bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain
 bike.  No racks, no lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour
 mountain bike rides. I'll post photos when there is something to look at.
 I have a couple small details to iron out.

 In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads
 recently, and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare
 frame and fork:

 A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset
 cups pressed in, weighs 2257g
 The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is
 1057g

 Use that data for whatever you like.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Adam Leibow]

Scott, handling is normal/fine although I think the stem could be 10-20mm 
longer to fit optimally (i go back and forth on that which is why I haven't 
made the change yet). I highly recommend this bike, rides zippily like a 
Homer and the color options are great this batch. It handles well on single 
track. I ride it around golden gate park trails here in SF. Also, here is a 
video edit I made riding the Road Plus on Mt. Tamalpais dirt roads: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5RwAfelCn4/

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 8:16:35 AM UTC-8, Scott S wrote:
>
> Adam, great looking ride — love the fenders. I’m considering a road + as 
> well for an all arounder, including some trail use — any experience on 
> singletrack w yours? Also curious about long TT / short stem combo and any 
> impact on balance or handling. 
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:04 PM Adam Leibow  > wrote:
>
>> I got the new road plus and it rides really great. took it up all over 
>> mt. tam and marin. it's been my wet weather bike recently. this is the 
>> "53cm". (so called because of the compact geometry - it fits like their 58 
>> rim brake bikes)
>>
>> [image: IMG_5530.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb 
>>> not to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the 
>>> horizontal dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  
>>> Since the last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've 
>>> acquired 4 bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  
>>> Vertical dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the 
>>> world.  The BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it 
>>> irresistable.  So, new bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain 
>>> bike.  No racks, no lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour 
>>> mountain bike rides. I'll post photos when there is something to look at.  
>>> I have a couple small details to iron out.  
>>>
>>> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
>>> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
>>> fork:
>>>
>>> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset 
>>> cups pressed in, weighs 2257g
>>> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
>>> 1057g
>>>
>>> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Scott Sutherland]

Thanks, the data point is appreciated. I've seen a built up 58 in person
and thought the TT was ideal, but that I'd definitely need an overall
taller frame (ST and HT) to get the fit I was after. Thus the 60 vs 62
comparison. Size aside, everything I've read suggests this is an ideal
frame for the commuter/all purpose rig I want to build.

Scott

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 12:51 PM Clayton.sf  wrote:

> I am 6' with saddle height (measured from center of bb to top in a
> straight line along the seat tube) of 76cm. I ride a 58cm monstercross (rim
> brake). With a 100mm stem this fits great with minimal spacers. Could ride
> a size up but prefer the 58cm. Hope this data point helps. I is a fantastic
> frame and while it may lack some of the flourishes of pricier frames its
> ride quality leaves nothing to be desired for me.
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

I am 6' with saddle height (measured from center of bb to top in a straight 
line along the seat tube) of 76cm. I ride a 58cm monstercross (rim brake). With 
a 100mm stem this fits great with minimal spacers. Could ride a size up but 
prefer the 58cm. Hope this data point helps. I is a fantastic frame and while 
it may lack some of the flourishes of pricier frames its ride quality leaves 
nothing to be desired for me.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Scott S]

Very late to this party but wanted to ask John G a question, if possible -- 
you wrote:

*My saddle height is 79.5, and I ended up going for a 60cm. Wish I had gone 
for a 62.*

Would love to hear why. My saddle height is 80.5, which puts me pretty much 
in the middle of Mike's saddle height range for a 60cm frame. I'm at the 
low end of the range for a 62cm frame. I'm 6' with long legs, short torso, 
and concerned I'd have reach issues with the 60cm TT on the 62 frame. The 
TT is 59 on the 60cm frame, which is also something of a concern. Any 
wisdom appreciated.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb not 
> to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the horizontal 
> dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  Since the 
> last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've acquired 4 
> bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  Vertical 
> dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the world.  The 
> BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it irresistable.  So, new 
> bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain bike.  No racks, no 
> lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour mountain bike rides. I'll 
> post photos when there is something to look at.  I have a couple small 
> details to iron out.  
>
> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
> fork:
>
> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset cups 
> pressed in, weighs 2257g
> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
> 1057g
>
> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

sticking to Snoqualmie here too. we shall see...

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Philip Williamson]

Rat Trap Pass. It’s what I’ve got on the bike, and no time to swap for whatever 
nasty old knobbies I have in the shed. 

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill,

I look forward to seeing pix.  Your appetite for bikes exceeds mine, 
although I announced I was at N+0 a year ago, and there's a new bike in the 
garage and another on the way, so I guess I was wrong.  

If you need a home for a 59 Black Mountain road, I suppose I'd like to know 
about it, although the frame on the way is intended to be similar for lots 
more money.  Hmmmn.  Maybe that was bad planning.  

Peter Bridge
Sebastopol 


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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Bill Lindsay]

Still no photos, but all I have left to do is wrap the bars.  I will maybe 
start a new thread when the bars are wrapped.  I wanted to update this 
thread on the weight topic.  I cut the steertube down by 78g, and that 
leaves 10cm above my threadless stem at the max height I would want.  I may 
cut it again after some shake down rides.

The total weight came in at 24.3lbs. That doesn't mean a lot without a 
build list, which I'll post soon. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb not 
> to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the horizontal 
> dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  Since the 
> last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've acquired 4 
> bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  Vertical 
> dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the world.  The 
> BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it irresistable.  So, new 
> bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain bike.  No racks, no 
> lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour mountain bike rides. I'll 
> post photos when there is something to look at.  I have a couple small 
> details to iron out.  
>
> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
> fork:
>
> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset cups 
> pressed in, weighs 2257g
> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
> 1057g
>
> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

Philip, what tires you bringing. weather looks iffy. I am debating knobbies 
instead of slicks.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

can't wait!!

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Philip Williamson]

I saw that on Instagram - looks amazing.
I look forward to seeing it next weekend at the Redlands Strada Rossa.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Belopsky]

Wow nice. 

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 4:15:55 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Just build up my Falconer BMC disc. 59 size.
>
> No silly light parts,  1x gearing, 32h wheels. 44mm snoqualmie TL tires.
>
> 23 pounds even without pump and fenders. 
>
> Good enough! Could trim off more by cutting the steerer a bit more and 
> going carbon stem, bars, and post as well as lighter pedals, but I will 
> likely not do that.
>
> Clayton Scott,
> SF, CA
>
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:59:21 AM UTC-8, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> Wow thanks Bill.  Now I am really excited about this frame.  I sold my 
>> Pugsley a little while ago because of the Q factor and my knees and was 
>> going to find an winter MTB to replace it with.  I might just throw some 
>> knobbies on the BMC and not look back.
>>
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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

Just build up my Falconer BMC disc. 59 size.

No silly light parts,  1x gearing, 32h wheels. 44mm snoqualmie TL tires.

23 pounds even without pump and fenders. 

Good enough! Could trim off more by cutting the steerer a bit more and 
going carbon stem, bars, and post as well as lighter pedals, but I will 
likely not do that.

Clayton Scott,
SF, CA


On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:59:21 AM UTC-8, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Wow thanks Bill.  Now I am really excited about this frame.  I sold my 
> Pugsley a little while ago because of the Q factor and my knees and was 
> going to find an winter MTB to replace it with.  I might just throw some 
> knobbies on the BMC and not look back.
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Dave Grossman]

Wow thanks Bill.  Now I am really excited about this frame.  I sold my 
Pugsley a little while ago because of the Q factor and my knees and was 
going to find an winter MTB to replace it with.  I might just throw some 
knobbies on the BMC and not look back.

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Kieran J]

I have run a set of 29x2.1 Thunder Burt Liteskins on my BMC, and they fit 
in a similar fashion to the Bronsons Bill has shown. A comfortable amount 
of clearance all around.

KJ


On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:14:11 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> Here are the requested clearance photos.  The tires are WTB Bronson 
> 29x2.0  They read 50-622 on the casing.  They measure a physical 52mm on 
> HED Belgium Plus 25mm rims with tubes pumped to high pressure (~40psi).  
>
>
> I have a set of brand new 29x2.1" Thunder Burt Snakeskins on another 
> wheelset that I can't test fit onto this frame.  Those tires measure 54.5mm 
> on a different 23.5mm rim, set up tubeless at high pressure (~35psi).  
>
>
> I hope that tells you what you want to know.  
>
>
> Bill
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 8:11:43 AM UTC-8, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> That is the info I want to hear!  I was debating grabbing some Panaracer 
>> Fire Cross in a 45 but if I could fit a Thunder Burt than no brainer.  Do 
>> you know what variation he has of the frame?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Ian A]

Thanks for those picks Bill. Clearance is impressive.

IanA

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Bill Lindsay]

Here are the requested clearance photos.  The tires are WTB Bronson 29x2.0  
They read 50-622 on the casing.  They measure a physical 52mm on HED 
Belgium Plus 25mm rims with tubes pumped to high pressure (~40psi).  


I have a set of brand new 29x2.1" Thunder Burt Snakeskins on another 
wheelset that I can't test fit onto this frame.  Those tires measure 54.5mm 
on a different 23.5mm rim, set up tubeless at high pressure (~35psi).  


I hope that tells you what you want to know.  


Bill





On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 8:11:43 AM UTC-8, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> That is the info I want to hear!  I was debating grabbing some Panaracer 
> Fire Cross in a 45 but if I could fit a Thunder Burt than no brainer.  Do 
> you know what variation he has of the frame?
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Dave Grossman]

That is the info I want to hear!  I was debating grabbing some Panaracer 
Fire Cross in a 45 but if I could fit a Thunder Burt than no brainer.  Do 
you know what variation he has of the frame?

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Braxton Colagross]

A friend has 2.1" Thunder Burts under Berthoud fenders on his BMC MC. It's 
tight but they don't rub and he's ridden many miles. 

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Please let us know how much room you have left over with the 50mm tires. 
> I'm guessing to tight for fenders at that width? I know you said yours is 
> to be sans fenders, but I'm curious anyway,
>
> IanA
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 4:24:53 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Edwin asked how I picked the size.  
>>
>> I own two Black Mountain Road Frames already.  They are both 59cm.  Mike 
>> changed the sizing a while ago.  If I was buying one of his road frames 
>> today, I don't know if I'd buy a 60 or a 58.  I talked to Mike in person 
>> once or twice, and we agreed that if I was in my 20s I might have run a 
>> 56.  I'm 49 and don't need my bars super low, so a 58 made more sense.  My 
>> Saddle Height is 75.5cm.  If I was buying a Rivendell Roadeo, I'd get a 
>> 59.  I fit well on a 55 Joe Appaloosa.  We'll see how the standover works 
>> out.  I might get time to mock up the standover with my 29"x2.0 knobbies 
>> tonight. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:06:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> How did you pick the size, and what are the sizes of your other bikes?
>>>
>>> I have looked at those frames before, but after seeing your post I went 
>>> and looked at them some more. It really does seem "dumb not to buy one" as 
>>> you say! What sensible bikes.
>>>
>>> If I had some 2-3 hour mountain bike rides in my future, I sure would 
>>> want one of those.
>>>
>>> Mostly just biking from A to B on my Joe Appaloosa,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb 
 not to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the 
 horizontal dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  
 Since the last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've 
 acquired 4 bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  
 Vertical dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the 
 world.  The BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it 
 irresistable.  So, new bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain 
 bike.  No racks, no lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour 
 mountain bike rides. I'll post photos when there is something to look at.  
 I have a couple small details to iron out.  

 In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads 
 recently, and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare 
 frame and fork:

 A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset 
 cups pressed in, weighs 2257g
 The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
 1057g

 Use that data for whatever you like.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Dave Grossman]

Not yet Igor.  In the works.

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:16:19 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Have you built it up yet Dave?
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> One of the things that inevitably sold me on the frame was Mike mocking 
>> up a CAD drawing of the two sizes I was between and helping me with fit. 
>>  He spent so much time with me online and on the phone.
>>
>> I also liked the idea of running wide rubber (2.0s or so) in the winter 
>> instead of running a dedicated winter bike.  It might be a do it all frame.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Belopsky]

Have you built it up yet Dave?

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> One of the things that inevitably sold me on the frame was Mike mocking up 
> a CAD drawing of the two sizes I was between and helping me with fit.  He 
> spent so much time with me online and on the phone.
>
> I also liked the idea of running wide rubber (2.0s or so) in the winter 
> instead of running a dedicated winter bike.  It might be a do it all frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Dave Grossman]

One of the things that inevitably sold me on the frame was Mike mocking up 
a CAD drawing of the two sizes I was between and helping me with fit.  He 
spent so much time with me online and on the phone.

I also liked the idea of running wide rubber (2.0s or so) in the winter 
instead of running a dedicated winter bike.  It might be a do it all frame.

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Adam in Indiana]

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 11:21:33 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> Would love to hear a report on how it compares to you Sam Hillborne and BMC 
> Road.


I'll second that request for a friendly Sam comparison.

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Jonathan D.]

Bill,

Would love to hear a report on how it compares to you Sam Hillborne and BMC 
Road. I have thought about getting one but was wondering how much overlap there 
would be. I am also considering a disk winter bike for he PNW. 

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Ian A]

Bill,

Please let us know how much room you have left over with the 50mm tires. 
I'm guessing to tight for fenders at that width? I know you said yours is 
to be sans fenders, but I'm curious anyway,

IanA

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 4:24:53 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Edwin asked how I picked the size.  
>
> I own two Black Mountain Road Frames already.  They are both 59cm.  Mike 
> changed the sizing a while ago.  If I was buying one of his road frames 
> today, I don't know if I'd buy a 60 or a 58.  I talked to Mike in person 
> once or twice, and we agreed that if I was in my 20s I might have run a 
> 56.  I'm 49 and don't need my bars super low, so a 58 made more sense.  My 
> Saddle Height is 75.5cm.  If I was buying a Rivendell Roadeo, I'd get a 
> 59.  I fit well on a 55 Joe Appaloosa.  We'll see how the standover works 
> out.  I might get time to mock up the standover with my 29"x2.0 knobbies 
> tonight. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:06:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> How did you pick the size, and what are the sizes of your other bikes?
>>
>> I have looked at those frames before, but after seeing your post I went 
>> and looked at them some more. It really does seem "dumb not to buy one" as 
>> you say! What sensible bikes.
>>
>> If I had some 2-3 hour mountain bike rides in my future, I sure would 
>> want one of those.
>>
>> Mostly just biking from A to B on my Joe Appaloosa,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb 
>>> not to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the 
>>> horizontal dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  
>>> Since the last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've 
>>> acquired 4 bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  
>>> Vertical dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the 
>>> world.  The BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it 
>>> irresistable.  So, new bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain 
>>> bike.  No racks, no lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour 
>>> mountain bike rides. I'll post photos when there is something to look at.  
>>> I have a couple small details to iron out.  
>>>
>>> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
>>> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
>>> fork:
>>>
>>> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset 
>>> cups pressed in, weighs 2257g
>>> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
>>> 1057g
>>>
>>> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[John G.]

Nice, Bill! I’m looking forward to seeing your build and Reading your 
impressions. I’ve shared my enthusiasm for my BMC Road on other forums. Mike 
Varley designs great frames for an incredible value. My saddle height is 79.5, 
and I ended up going for a 60cm. Wish I had gone for a 62.

He’s also a world-class wheelbuilder.

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Deacon Patrick]

Scott, give the Steilacooms a try. I love them vs. Barlows for their grip in 
the loose, up and down.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Scott G.]

On my BMC I have Paul Neo Retro in front and a CX-70 in back.
The Cx-70 straddle did not clear the front Compass UD-1 rack-brake hole 
strut.

On the drop outs, I had to remove the powder coat from the drop out axle 
slots
to fit White hubs, also removed the powder from the dropout faces.

Compass 38 tires,  highly entertaining in down hill twisty bits.


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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Bill Lindsay]

Mike Leaf Slayer inquired about brakes.  

I'm going to run cantilevers.  I'm leaning towards CX70s because they open 
wide so well.  I do have a set of Paul Touring Cantilevers, and I also am 
tempted to use some NOS XTR M900 cantilevers.  I do have a brand new set of 
Paul Minimotos, but they are intended for a different target.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:19:36 PM UTC-8, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>
> Congrats on the bike Bill. Those look pretty sweet. I'm curious, what 
> brakes will you be using, Paul's?
>
> Looking forward to pictures.
>
> --mike
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Bill Lindsay]

Edwin asked how I picked the size.  

I own two Black Mountain Road Frames already.  They are both 59cm.  Mike 
changed the sizing a while ago.  If I was buying one of his road frames 
today, I don't know if I'd buy a 60 or a 58.  I talked to Mike in person 
once or twice, and we agreed that if I was in my 20s I might have run a 
56.  I'm 49 and don't need my bars super low, so a 58 made more sense.  My 
Saddle Height is 75.5cm.  If I was buying a Rivendell Roadeo, I'd get a 
59.  I fit well on a 55 Joe Appaloosa.  We'll see how the standover works 
out.  I might get time to mock up the standover with my 29"x2.0 knobbies 
tonight. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:06:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> How did you pick the size, and what are the sizes of your other bikes?
>
> I have looked at those frames before, but after seeing your post I went 
> and looked at them some more. It really does seem "dumb not to buy one" as 
> you say! What sensible bikes.
>
> If I had some 2-3 hour mountain bike rides in my future, I sure would want 
> one of those.
>
> Mostly just biking from A to B on my Joe Appaloosa,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb 
>> not to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the 
>> horizontal dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  
>> Since the last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've 
>> acquired 4 bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  
>> Vertical dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the 
>> world.  The BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it 
>> irresistable.  So, new bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain 
>> bike.  No racks, no lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour 
>> mountain bike rides. I'll post photos when there is something to look at.  
>> I have a couple small details to iron out.  
>>
>> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
>> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
>> fork:
>>
>> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset cups 
>> pressed in, weighs 2257g
>> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
>> 1057g
>>
>> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Leaf Slayer]

Congrats on the bike Bill. Those look pretty sweet. I'm curious, what 
brakes will you be using, Paul's?

Looking forward to pictures.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Edwin W]

Bill,

How did you pick the size, and what are the sizes of your other bikes?

I have looked at those frames before, but after seeing your post I went and 
looked at them some more. It really does seem "dumb not to buy one" as you 
say! What sensible bikes.

If I had some 2-3 hour mountain bike rides in my future, I sure would want 
one of those.

Mostly just biking from A to B on my Joe Appaloosa,

Edwin

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb not 
> to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the horizontal 
> dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  Since the 
> last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've acquired 4 
> bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  Vertical 
> dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the world.  The 
> BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it irresistable.  So, new 
> bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain bike.  No racks, no 
> lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour mountain bike rides. I'll 
> post photos when there is something to look at.  I have a couple small 
> details to iron out.  
>
> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
> fork:
>
> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset cups 
> pressed in, weighs 2257g
> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
> 1057g
>
> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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