[RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NBR4I5PVhHw/VHNntYkOG5I/oqM/NoD06wJKIRw/s1600/IMG_4787.JPG God bless you Bill, those are the true-est words I've heard in a long time, haha! Here's to having problems and keeping ourselves occupied, confused, frustrated, and happy. A few years ago I switched my wifes thumbshifters to downtube and it was pretty amazing how clean the wire/bag situation got. I did the same thing to our tandem with bar end shifters soon after, we run a rando bag on the tandem always. My sons bike also uses downtube with a front bag, it's clean. Rob Hawks ran his bar end shifters under the tape, I did the same thing for a few years, it works fine, just use flexible housing. I've also drilled out handlebars and ran the cables inside the bars, exiting at the stem, it works fine too, but is unnecessary and fussy. Is clamp on downtube shifters out of the question? I'm sure they are easy to find on ebay? If none of your current options work, I'm happy to make you a rando bag with entry exit ports to run your cables. -just kidding, although I have made rando bags with entry and exit points to run wires, just dont tell anyone. Ely On Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:04:55 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Problem that isn't really a problem. I don't like the look of a handlebar bag coupled with normally set up barcon shifters. The handlebar bag smooshes the loops of housing out of the way, making the handlebar bag look like an afterthought. I have two bikes with variations of this problem, on which the handlebar bag was an afterthought, so I feel accused by my own builds. One traditional solution is to run the housing under the tape all the way to the tops. I thought about doing that, but wanted to do something a little more out of the box, since I had a set of Riv stem shifter mounts on hand. Here's the problem https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E4LL2lrHSBk/VHI8q7oFl6I/DAw/876XfQUajbk/s1600/IMG_0567.JPG and here's the solution https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IDnC36ivCDA/VHI82tEIOSI/DA4/ooPeSSVCwYQ/s1600/IMG_0570.JPG It hasn't gone out on a ride yet, besides around the block, but there's a lot to like about this setup. I was pleasantly surprised that it clears my bell by plenty with no adjustment. Also the shifters are ridiculously convenient to get to from everywhere on the bars. I'm pretty fired up about it. Coming soon, Gabe's Atlantis will get a completely different 'solution' to the same problem, overthought and done-the-hard-way, like I always tend to do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
Well yes Bill . . . lol . Problems do not Truly exist , and conversely, neither do Solutions ;) Perfection Reigns Eternal ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
OK, that makes sense. Just like some riders would use one or two barcons on their criterium bike in the 1980s if they felt that reaching for DT shifters would make them too wobbly. Just like a few of the pros would run barcons just for Paris Roubaix or similar. Just like most cyclocross racers would run barcons before brifters came about. I'll keep that in mind. Here's Sean Kelly not needing barcons but the racer behind him running them: http://images.cyclingtips.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CORVOS_0684-025.jpg On a related note, I found it kind of cute how easily I can shift from the tops with my thumbs, not letting go of the bars at all. That was just around the block. When you, Steve, say that stem shifters are unacceptable for these situations, are you saying that because it's self-evident to you, or because you actually tried it? Just curious. If this experiment doesn't work out for me the barcons will go right back on the Hillborne. Here's one at the top of the list: You are going fast and the road is rough: alligatored, cracked, patches upon patches with small holes in between. (I don't know if you have stuff like that where you ride, but where I ride in the rural areas of Southern Maryland, there's lots and lots of it.) It's somewhat like riding on rumble strips only with the occasional bigger impact. On surfaces like that, I wouldn't venture to remove one hand from the bars and move it to the center line of the bike to shift, but with bar end shifters (and brifters, of course) you can hold on to the bar and maintain stability while shifting with your fingers or your palm. But basically, in any situation where the bike could be jostled, either from road surface roughness or from irregular, gusting side winds it would be ill-advised and sometimes downright dangerous to get yourself into the position required to operate a stem shifter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
That actually is a GREAT picture Bill. Thanks for posting, it has been saved. Sean Kelly on that Vitus 979 with downtube shifters and toe clips. Then moving back we have the barcons, then STI levers and, on the far left, Greg Lemond with Scott Drop-in bars and a converted RockShox Mag 21 fork. Not to mention a hard shell helmet, a cap, bare headed and a hairnet. All in the same picture. That photo is an essay on the last 30 years in pro cycling! Scott On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, that makes sense. Just like some riders would use one or two barcons on their criterium bike in the 1980s if they felt that reaching for DT shifters would make them too wobbly. Just like a few of the pros would run barcons just for Paris Roubaix or similar. Just like most cyclocross racers would run barcons before brifters came about. I'll keep that in mind. Here's Sean Kelly not needing barcons but the racer behind him running them: http://images.cyclingtips.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CORVOS_0684-025.jpg On a related note, I found it kind of cute how easily I can shift from the tops with my thumbs, not letting go of the bars at all. That was just around the block. When you, Steve, say that stem shifters are unacceptable for these situations, are you saying that because it's self-evident to you, or because you actually tried it? Just curious. If this experiment doesn't work out for me the barcons will go right back on the Hillborne. Here's one at the top of the list: You are going fast and the road is rough: alligatored, cracked, patches upon patches with small holes in between. (I don't know if you have stuff like that where you ride, but where I ride in the rural areas of Southern Maryland, there's lots and lots of it.) It's somewhat like riding on rumble strips only with the occasional bigger impact. On surfaces like that, I wouldn't venture to remove one hand from the bars and move it to the center line of the bike to shift, but with bar end shifters (and brifters, of course) you can hold on to the bar and maintain stability while shifting with your fingers or your palm. But basically, in any situation where the bike could be jostled, either from road surface roughness or from irregular, gusting side winds it would be ill-advised and sometimes downright dangerous to get yourself into the position required to operate a stem shifter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
You're absolutely right, Scott. There were a bunch of things mixing around at once during that era. Very good eye. You got more out of it beyond the point I initially intended to deliver, but you are totally right. It's all there. Bill On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:09:29 AM UTC-8, Skenry wrote: That actually is a GREAT picture Bill. Thanks for posting, it has been saved. Sean Kelly on that Vitus 979 with downtube shifters and toe clips. Then moving back we have the barcons, then STI levers and, on the far left, Greg Lemond with Scott Drop-in bars and a converted RockShox Mag 21 fork. Not to mention a hard shell helmet, a cap, bare headed and a hairnet. All in the same picture. That photo is an essay on the last 30 years in pro cycling! Scott On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: OK, that makes sense. Just like some riders would use one or two barcons on their criterium bike in the 1980s if they felt that reaching for DT shifters would make them too wobbly. Just like a few of the pros would run barcons just for Paris Roubaix or similar. Just like most cyclocross racers would run barcons before brifters came about. I'll keep that in mind. Here's Sean Kelly not needing barcons but the racer behind him running them: http://images.cyclingtips.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CORVOS_0684-025.jpg On a related note, I found it kind of cute how easily I can shift from the tops with my thumbs, not letting go of the bars at all. That was just around the block. When you, Steve, say that stem shifters are unacceptable for these situations, are you saying that because it's self-evident to you, or because you actually tried it? Just curious. If this experiment doesn't work out for me the barcons will go right back on the Hillborne. Here's one at the top of the list: You are going fast and the road is rough: alligatored, cracked, patches upon patches with small holes in between. (I don't know if you have stuff like that where you ride, but where I ride in the rural areas of Southern Maryland, there's lots and lots of it.) It's somewhat like riding on rumble strips only with the occasional bigger impact. On surfaces like that, I wouldn't venture to remove one hand from the bars and move it to the center line of the bike to shift, but with bar end shifters (and brifters, of course) you can hold on to the bar and maintain stability while shifting with your fingers or your palm. But basically, in any situation where the bike could be jostled, either from road surface roughness or from irregular, gusting side winds it would be ill-advised and sometimes downright dangerous to get yourself into the position required to operate a stem shifter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
On 11/25/2014 10:55 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: On a related note, I found it kind of cute how easily I can shift from the tops with my thumbs, not letting go of the bars at all. That was just around the block. When you, Steve, say that stem shifters are unacceptable for these situations, are you saying that because it's self-evident to you, or because you actually tried it? Just curious. If this experiment doesn't work out for me the barcons will go right back on the Hillborne. I had stem shifters on my Paramount from 1972 to 1975 or 1976. When I bought the tandem, it came with bar end shifters and it was love at first shift. I converted the Paramount to barcons shortly afterwards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
That photo should also remind us that the euro pro road race crowd didn't arrive at what they are using now without trying a lot of different things. Those Vitus bikes were widely reputed to be very flexible, they must plane. Didn't Jan say his Alan cross bike does. Lots of experimentation with suspension for cobbles back then. I don't think any of it stuck. Which of course is not to suggest that we should ride what they do. On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:26:00 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: You're absolutely right, Scott. There were a bunch of things mixing around at once during that era. Very good eye. You got more out of it beyond the point I initially intended to deliver, but you are totally right. It's all there. Bill On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:09:29 AM UTC-8, Skenry wrote: That actually is a GREAT picture Bill. Thanks for posting, it has been saved. Sean Kelly on that Vitus 979 with downtube shifters and toe clips. Then moving back we have the barcons, then STI levers and, on the far left, Greg Lemond with Scott Drop-in bars and a converted RockShox Mag 21 fork. Not to mention a hard shell helmet, a cap, bare headed and a hairnet. All in the same picture. That photo is an essay on the last 30 years in pro cycling! Scott On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote: OK, that makes sense. Just like some riders would use one or two barcons on their criterium bike in the 1980s if they felt that reaching for DT shifters would make them too wobbly. Just like a few of the pros would run barcons just for Paris Roubaix or similar. Just like most cyclocross racers would run barcons before brifters came about. I'll keep that in mind. Here's Sean Kelly not needing barcons but the racer behind him running them: http://images.cyclingtips.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CORVOS_0684-025.jpg On a related note, I found it kind of cute how easily I can shift from the tops with my thumbs, not letting go of the bars at all. That was just around the block. When you, Steve, say that stem shifters are unacceptable for these situations, are you saying that because it's self-evident to you, or because you actually tried it? Just curious. If this experiment doesn't work out for me the barcons will go right back on the Hillborne. Here's one at the top of the list: You are going fast and the road is rough: alligatored, cracked, patches upon patches with small holes in between. (I don't know if you have stuff like that where you ride, but where I ride in the rural areas of Southern Maryland, there's lots and lots of it.) It's somewhat like riding on rumble strips only with the occasional bigger impact. On surfaces like that, I wouldn't venture to remove one hand from the bars and move it to the center line of the bike to shift, but with bar end shifters (and brifters, of course) you can hold on to the bar and maintain stability while shifting with your fingers or your palm. But basically, in any situation where the bike could be jostled, either from road surface roughness or from irregular, gusting side winds it would be ill-advised and sometimes downright dangerous to get yourself into the position required to operate a stem shifter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
It may not really be a problem for taller guys, but for someone like me, stem shifters are a godsend. Short waist, long limbs and reach issues meant i had to come up with a wacky solution to make a drop-barr'd bike fit comfortably. Here's what I came up with: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/sets/72157631882809483/ The photo set shows the story of the bike from craigslist purchase through rebuild to present configuration. I LOVE my stem shifters (Suntour Power Ratchet). I especially love that most folks haven't re-discovered them yet, so I can still find them for five bucks in the used parts bin at my local bike recycler. Good stuff. Beth in PDX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
On 11/23/2014 10:57 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: I can only think of the one situation where you can't shift a stem shifter but can shift a barcon. I realize it's one you say that you do numerous times on every ride. You semi-rise out of the saddle on an incline, in the drops, and shift down one gear at a time as the incline steepens and then you shift up a gear at a time while you are still out of the saddle cresting the top, carrying your momentum through. You can shift a barcon because you can't stay out of the saddle and let go of the drops. You couldn't do that with a brifter, a thumbie, a downtube shifter, or a stem shifter. Only a shifter that is right there in your hand on the drops makes that possible. What are the other of many situations where it's possible to shift a barcon but not possible to shift a stem shifter? Here's one at the top of the list: You are going fast and the road is rough: alligatored, cracked, patches upon patches with small holes in between. (I don't know if you have stuff like that where you ride, but where I ride in the rural areas of Southern Maryland, there's lots and lots of it.) It's somewhat like riding on rumble strips only with the occasional bigger impact. On surfaces like that, I wouldn't venture to remove one hand from the bars and move it to the center line of the bike to shift, but with bar end shifters (and brifters, of course) you can hold on to the bar and maintain stability while shifting with your fingers or your palm. But basically, in any situation where the bike could be jostled, either from road surface roughness or from irregular, gusting side winds it would be ill-advised and sometimes downright dangerous to get yourself into the position required to operate a stem shifter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
I solved that problem with down tube shifters. I really like it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
I run downtube shifters on many of my bikes to solve it, as well. The Sam Hillborne doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, so that was not an option. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 5:06:44 PM UTC-8, Iron Rider wrote: I solved that problem with down tube shifters. I really like it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
Looks interesting!! How is stem shifting compared to bar end shifting? 1. Harder to do? 2.Good with drops? Do the shifter levers get in the way of useable bartop space? 3. Can you shift the same, or does it make you shift even less than with bar ends? 4. Any balance issues with reaching for the center of the bar to shift instead of reaching down on same side of bike like with bar ends? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
On 11/23/2014 09:25 PM, lungimsam wrote: Looks interesting!! How is stem shifting compared to bar end shifting? 1. Harder to do? yes 2.Good with drops? Do the shifter levers get in the way of useable bartop space? no, probably not 3. Can you shift the same, or does it make you shift even less than with bar ends? I can think of many situations where you can't shift a stem shifter but would have no trouble shifting a bar end, but no situations where you can shift a stem shifter but cannot do so with a bar end. 4. Any balance issues with reaching for the center of the bar to shift instead of reaching down on same side of bike like with bar ends? Yes. You can hold onto the bar when you're shifting with the bar end (anybody who tells you they can't simply isn't doing it right) but not with stem shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
Thanks for your feedback, Steve. I have no expectation that stem shifters will be markedly superior to barcons in any significant way. I'm one of those folks who thinks just about every shifter is absurdly easy to use. Even if stem shifters are harder to use, I doubt they will be anything other than easy to use. We'll see, though. I don't think Steve's certainty was meant to dissuade me from experimenting, and it won't. At any rate, I'll bite on this detail. Steve claims: I can think of many situations where you can't shift a stem shifter but would have no trouble shifting a bar end, but no situations where you can shift a stem shifter but cannot do so with a bar end. I can only think of the one situation where you can't shift a stem shifter but can shift a barcon. I realize it's one you say that you do numerous times on every ride. You semi-rise out of the saddle on an incline, in the drops, and shift down one gear at a time as the incline steepens and then you shift up a gear at a time while you are still out of the saddle cresting the top, carrying your momentum through. You can shift a barcon because you can't stay out of the saddle and let go of the drops. You couldn't do that with a brifter, a thumbie, a downtube shifter, or a stem shifter. Only a shifter that is right there in your hand on the drops makes that possible. What are the other of many situations where it's possible to shift a barcon but not possible to shift a stem shifter? Bill who still has barcons on four bikes Lindsay El Cerrito CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter means looking for problems that might not exist and solving them. Hence, Stem Shifters!
I currently ride a Sam with stem shifters. My motivation to switch from bar end shifters to stem shifters had more to do with handlebar experimentation than anything else. I originally set up my Sam with Noodles. After a couple years I wanted to try something more upright. The upright bars I was interested in required MTB brakes so I could not use the brakes on the Noodles. I liked the Noodles well enough that I wanted to be able to revert back when and if desired. I decided it would be best to eliminated the shifters from the equation and opted for stem shifters. So I removed the bar end shifters from the Noodles and moved them to the stem. I left the brakes, brake cables and stem attached to the Noodles and hung them in the garage. I can now switch between the Noodles and the upright setup in a matter of minutes. All I need to do is adjust the brakes. Funny thing is I haven't and I'm not sure I ever will. The new setup has worked out really well. But I am 57, and if there is one thing I learned it's never say never. Matt P.S. Steve is correct in his comparison between stem and bar end shifters. The only thing I might disagree on is their use with drop bars, I don't see a problem, but I will admit with any setup they take a little getting use to ... just like and upright riding position. But once you do it's all gravy :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
