Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
On 28/03/13 09:59, Steve Palincsar wrote: I've never seen an indexed 6 and I'm not sure they ever existed. The original Dura-ace SIS was six speed. A friend still has his mid-1980s Colnago with that component group on it. And I still have a pair of Suntour Superbe Pro DT shifters that can index either six or seven speed (you turn a tab on the outside of the shifter mount to the setting you want). Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjBBA4v5 This is exactly what you describe. These are the 8 speed Shimano from Riv, and the rear wheel is a Phil Rivvy hub with a 7 speed freewheel. I have no problem using the right shifter in index mode. I did use a newer rear der which I assume has a floating top pully wheel for indexed systems. I don't consider myself a fantastic wrench, but I built this up myself after the LBS put on the headset. Riv has a video on installing bar end shifters which was very helpful and I find this a very comfortable way to shift on these bars. BTW, these are the cork grips that are grooved from Riv. They are more comfortable than I thought, although when it is really hot my sweaty hands tend to slide on the shellac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
To clarify, I think you would like indexed bar-ends, and I've had no problem with 8-speed index shifters on a 7-speed cassette. Technically there may be a very small difference in spacing between 7- and 8-speed cogsets, but in practice it wasn't noticeable once the shifting was dialed so that the derailer pulleys were perfectly centered under the 4th (middle) position. On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:56:28 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote: > Dear Shoji and Joe, thanks for the response. I have a bike with stem > mounted shifters (friction) that I ride on the weekends. I have commuted > with it, but I did not like the uncertainty of which gear I dropped into > nor the time I had to spend with only one hand on the bar while navigating > busy urban roads. That in part could be solved by practice, but I am > fairly set in my commuting ways. I do however enjoy friction shifting on > my weekend rides. In response to another thread on bags, someone said (Jim > from Hiawatha Cyclcery maybe?) paraphrasing here: fit, utility, looks- pick > any two and be happy. Since the grip shifters function and fit how I ride > when commuting, I suppose I should leave them. I can adjust more quickly > to the new twisting motion on the grip shifts better than I could adjust to > friction shifting. It's just those bar-end shifters look so nice! > Thanks for allowing me to think this through. > Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
Dear Shoji and Joe, thanks for the response. I have a bike with stem mounted shifters (friction) that I ride on the weekends. I have commuted with it, but I did not like the uncertainty of which gear I dropped into nor the time I had to spend with only one hand on the bar while navigating busy urban roads. That in part could be solved by practice, but I am fairly set in my commuting ways. I do however enjoy friction shifting on my weekend rides. In response to another thread on bags, someone said (Jim from Hiawatha Cyclcery maybe?) paraphrasing here: fit, utility, looks- pick any two and be happy. Since the grip shifters function and fit how I ride when commuting, I suppose I should leave them. I can adjust more quickly to the new twisting motion on the grip shifts better than I could adjust to friction shifting. It's just those bar-end shifters look so nice! Thanks for allowing me to think this through. Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 17:45 -0700, WETH wrote: > Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses. > Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and > park my bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to > knock it over regularly). In my experience, that's more likely to damage a handlebar than to damage Shimano bar end shifters. It can, however, break one of the Silver/Sun Tour Sprint shifters; happened to me. > In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here is the product write up > from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end shifters,the > Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the Ultegras > index good enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work with a > friction mode, tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, throw > it into friction, cowboy, and ride away. " Grant's idea of "good enough" isn't mine, I'm afraid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
I've indexed 8-speed bar-ends with 7-speed cassttes easy peasy, but agree with Shoji that Silver Power Ratchets are the bee's knees for rifling up and down a 7-speed. You never quite know which cog you're going to stop at, but you almost always land right square on a good one. Try it for a while, then go back to indexing. You'll be surprised how clunky and archaic it will feel. In my opinion, of course... On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:20:14 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: > Hey Erl, > If you're comfortable with friction (from your downtube shifting days), > then you may want to go with friction for bar ends. You won't have to worry > about setting up indexing, which could mean a little more tweaking to make > it index properly. Also, you won't have to worry about getting compatible > parts for indexing. You may even like it better than click-click-clicking. > > Good luck, sho > > On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:45:54 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote: >> >> Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses. >> Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and >> park my bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to >> knock it over regularly). In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here >> is the product write up from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end >> shifters,the Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the >> Ultegras index good enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work >> with a friction mode, tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, >> throw it into friction, cowboy, and ride away. " >> I will definitely have to make sure they are compatable with my 7 speed >> cassette. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. >> Safe cycling, >> Erl > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
Hey Erl, If you're comfortable with friction (from your downtube shifting days), then you may want to go with friction for bar ends. You won't have to worry about setting up indexing, which could mean a little more tweaking to make it index properly. Also, you won't have to worry about getting compatible parts for indexing. You may even like it better than click-click-clicking. Good luck, sho On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:45:54 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote: > > Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses. > Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and park > my bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to knock it > over regularly). In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here is the > product write up from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end > shifters,the Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the > Ultegras index good enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work > with a friction mode, tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, > throw it into friction, cowboy, and ride away. " > I will definitely have to make sure they are compatable with my 7 speed > cassette. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. > Safe cycling, > Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses. Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and park my bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to knock it over regularly). In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here is the product write up from the rivendell site:"Shimano's best bar-end shifters,the Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the Ultegras index good enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work with a friction mode, tooso if the "good enough" isn't good enough, throw it into friction, cowboy, and ride away. " I will definitely have to make sure they are compatable with my 7 speed cassette. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. Safe cycling, Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 15:41 -0700, WETH wrote: > > Question: For those who use or have used the Shimano bar-end > shifters, especially on Albatross bars, how easy is it to index shift > rapidly across several gears on the rear cassette? Is it as easy as > moving the lever up or down the needed number of clicks? Yes, exactly. You can sweep the entire block, if you like. > (On my gripshift, index shifting, one click equals one sprocket change > on the cassette.) Are the Shimano bar-end shifters durable enough to > take somewhat rough handling every day? What kind of "rough handling" could a bar end shifter get? Dropping the bike on it? Beating it with a hammer? Ordinary shifting is in no way "rough." > I think I have read about a washer cracking easily.) As I mentioned, > I ride hard on my commute. I do not mean to insinuate that the > shifters are not of good quality, it is just that I am quite hard on > my gear when commuting. What do you mean by "hard on my gear"? > Hence, the Surly LHT with 26 x 2.35 tires. Specifically I would be > using the shifter set compatible with a 6-7-8 speed cassette. There is no one shifter set compatible with 6, 7 and 8. I've never seen an indexed 6 and I'm not sure they ever existed. Indexed 7 speed bar ends definitely existed, but they're quite rare now. You can get new stock (possibly new old stock) 8 speed indexed bar end shifters on ebay quite easily. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting
Background (may be skipped as it may not be fully relevant to answering the question and is quite wordy): I purchased albatross bars for a bike my son and I are repainting and building up for him. While waiting for him to select a frame color, I mounted the albatross bars on my daily commuter (a Surly LHT with riv purchased racks and Rivendell sackville bags). I was running trekking bars with grip shifters, which I liked well-enough for my 16 mile round trip commute, but I found them less comfortable on longer rides. I really like the albatross bars and am considering making them permanent. (I will have to purchase a 2nd pair from Rivendell for my son's bike!) However, my most aggressive riding occurs while I am commuting; it is an urban commute on roads with buses, aggressive commuters and clueless pedestrians. I shift gears excessively on the 7 speed cassette using the gripshifters. I often am quickly index shifting through 6-7 gears as I rapidly approach a stoplight. (I stop at all red lights.) I like to start up from the easiest gear and up/down shift through the gears as needed. Often, I am quickly shifting to keep pace with the traffic. Given the heavy vehicle traffic, I like to maintain as consistent/predictable a presence as possible, which usually requires both hands on the handlebars. I am considering replacing the gripshifts on the albatross bars with Shimano bar-end shifters sold by Rivendell. The grip shifters feel and look a bit strange on the Albatross bars--though they work fine. However, I have never used bar-end shifters, only thumb (index), grip (index) and downtube (friction). If you are patiently still reading, here is my question. Question: For those who use or have used the Shimano bar-end shifters, especially on Albatross bars, how easy is it to index shift rapidly across several gears on the rear cassette? Is it as easy as moving the lever up or down the needed number of clicks? (On my gripshift, index shifting, one click equals one sprocket change on the cassette.) Are the Shimano bar-end shifters durable enough to take somewhat rough handling every day? (I think I have read about a washer cracking easily.) As I mentioned, I ride hard on my commute. I do not mean to insinuate that the shifters are not of good quality, it is just that I am quite hard on my gear when commuting. Hence, the Surly LHT with 26 x 2.35 tires. Specifically I would be using the shifter set compatible with a 6-7-8 speed cassette. As always I appreciate and always benefit from the individual and collective wisdom of this group. I apologize for the wordiness of this post. Many thanks, Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
