[RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Wow, Rusty... That's quite the event (so I'm told by a friend and his wife who 
rode it a few years ago).  And contrary to popular belief, Iowa ain't totally 
flat.  Good luck; I say go for it!!!

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[RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Rusty Click
Any list members riding RAGBRAI this year?  They (RAGBRAI) have called my 
bluff, and informed me that  I have gotten in via the lottery.  Now, I'm 
hoping that my knees can keep me, and my Sam Hillborne, rolling!  So far, 
I'm guardedly optimistic about this.  NSAIDS, electrolytes, and pie will 
have to keep me going.  Any advice, or warnings out there from previous 
riders?

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh, PA

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[RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Ron Mc
Take a jar of motrin and keep hydrated for your knees. Take the motrin before 
you ride

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Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread WETH
Bob,
I rode the GAP/CO last summer. It was a wonderful trip.  I am also happy to 
share any info or answer any questions.  I think 7 days sounds like a fine pace.
I live in the DC area and will be around when you arrive. I would be happy to 
meet up before you drive to Pittsburg.  I will be away by the the time you 
return from Pittsburgh.
Be in touch off list for contact info should you need anything upon your 
arrival in DC.
All the best,
Erl Houston

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Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Jim Bronson
I have never done RAGBRAI, but when I have done large tours in the past, I
have always gotten up at 4:30-5:00am so I could get a prime camping spot
the next day, as you mention.  If the camping spot is the local HS baseball
field, you don't want to end up along the basepaths, or you'll be camping
in dirt or gravel rather than grass.

Of course, when you do tours in the mountains, the other incentive to get
up super early is to get over the passes before the mountain thunderstorms
in the afternoon.  This doesn't apply to Iowa as much, although in any
locale thunderstorms are most likely to form in the afternoon.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
wrote:

 I'm riding the last 3 days with my girlfriend and her father.  I'll be on
 my 650b Riv Road, my girlfriend on her Soma San Marcos, and her father on
 his 80s Raleigh that I rebuilt for him, Riv-style.  We did the full week
 last year but are doing our own thing this year.

 We live near Hiawatha (Thursday night), so we're riding to Cedar Falls
 from here on Weds, riding back to Hiawatha with RAGBRAI on Thursday, riding
 partially off-route and partially off-pavement to Coralville on Friday, and
 riding with RAGBRAI to the end on Saturday.

 RAGBRAI is a ton of fun, normally uptight Iowans get totally loose.  The
 local hosts give a bemused smile, shaking their heads but taking your
 money.  It's a very good-natured ride.

 BUT:
 it has several challenges
 1) the ride itself
 2) the weather
 3) the people

 1) The ride is long.  This year's days are pretty consistent, from 56 to
 74 miles.  There are hills (steep, short rollers).
 Ron has good advice, water and ibuprofen are helpful.

 Ride at your own pace.  If you're slow, then get going early and ride the
 day with generous stops.

 RAGBRAI organizes official stopover towns throughout the route, and there
 are plenty of other opportunities to stop.  Many vendors will rent
 farmyards along the route and set up professional operations each day.
 Favorites include:
 Farm Boys' burritos (hearty breakfast)
 Iowa Conservation team (free bananas, postcards, and water)
 Iowa Corn board (sweet corn paradise)
 Beekman's ice cream (made with 2-stroke ag engines)
 Mr. Pork Chop (substantial, fresh smoked chops)
 Iowa craft beer tent (usually in the last section of the day's route,
 thankfully)

 The vendors in the towns are often more conventional.  I prefer to find
 local restaurants, but they're usually swamped by crowds.  Local churches
 often have benefit suppers, offering spaghetti or similar.  Those are the
 best spots for pie.  I had a wonderful blackberry pie with lemon streusel
 on top last year that may currently hold the top prize.

 2) Iowa summers can be brutal, with 90 degree days and 90 percent
 humidity.  Sun screen is mandatory (and needs to be re-applied often),
 although you see a handful of lobsters after day 1.  It can get very hot by
 noon, so that's another good reason to get some miles in early in the day.

 Bring mosquito repellent for when you stop.

 We get some pretty impressive thunderstorms in Iowa.  We got caught in one
 last year, and the wind tore my girlfriend's dad's vinyl poncho right off
 his back while we were desperately riding to the next town.  We huddled in
 the high school (it smelled like wet canines in there, yuck).  I was soaked
 to the bone and shivering, and didn't fully recover until about an hour
 later with bright sunshine and a hot pork chop.

 You can bring rain gear if you want, but I don't because it just makes me
 sopping wet from sweat instead of wet from rain.  But, a change of riding
 clothes in a dry bag would be a great idea for a day with a chance of
 storms.

 3) RAGBRAI is a traveling circus.  More than 20,000 riders (official
 numbers are difficult because many people ride without passes), support RVs
 and cars, vendors, etc.  Even if you pull off the road to fertilize the
 cornfield (everyone does it.  bring TP), you may find that someone else is
 using the facilities a couple rows over.  You're always in a crowd on
 RAGBRAI.

 I find these crowds fun for a short while, and then they're just
 frustrating.  It's imperative to my sanity that I get a break now and
 again.  The RAGBRAI routing is thorough but pretty myopic; it stays on main
 roads to keep folks from getting lost.  I prefer to get off the main route
 sometimes to explore, or to go to a restaurant without 500 bikers already
 in line.

 Your RAGBRAI pass entitles you to lots of support, including bag drag each
 day to the campsite in the next town.  But that campsite is often the high
 school football field, or the local city park.  Shared with 5,000 or more
 people.  The showers are not free, and usually have very long lines.  Cell
 phone charging is very rare (bring an extension cord with multiple sockets
 so you can share an outlet).

 The noise is ever-present as well.  You'll get passed by folks playing
 really crappy music, really loudly, 

Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Dale Click
Great info, and advice Tim.  I hadn’t thought of the bug spray, thanks. 

I just into a group that has a support van, and they have been doing this for a 
long time.  they carry the bags, etc., and try to get nearby camping at private 
residences, or private camp sites.

I’ll check our accommodations when it gets close, and maybe join you in 
Hiawatha if we’re nearby, to say hello at least.
If you see messages on the board for PMM (Pennsylvania Mountain Men), that’s us.

I’ll be riding a green Sam with DTT’s.  Hope to see you amongst the masses! 



Again, Thanks

Rusty

 On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'm riding the last 3 days with my girlfriend and her father.  I'll be on my 
 650b Riv Road, my girlfriend on her Soma San Marcos, and her father on his 
 80s Raleigh that I rebuilt for him, Riv-style.  We did the full week last 
 year but are doing our own thing this year.
 
 We live near Hiawatha (Thursday night), so we're riding to Cedar Falls from 
 here on Weds, riding back to Hiawatha with RAGBRAI on Thursday, riding 
 partially off-route and partially off-pavement to Coralville on Friday, and 
 riding with RAGBRAI to the end on Saturday.
 
 RAGBRAI is a ton of fun, normally uptight Iowans get totally loose.  The 
 local hosts give a bemused smile, shaking their heads but taking your money.  
 It's a very good-natured ride.  
 
 BUT:
 it has several challenges
 1) the ride itself
 2) the weather
 3) the people
 
 1) The ride is long.  This year's days are pretty consistent, from 56 to 74 
 miles.  There are hills (steep, short rollers).
 Ron has good advice, water and ibuprofen are helpful.  
 
 Ride at your own pace.  If you're slow, then get going early and ride the day 
 with generous stops.
 
 RAGBRAI organizes official stopover towns throughout the route, and there are 
 plenty of other opportunities to stop.  Many vendors will rent farmyards 
 along the route and set up professional operations each day.
 Favorites include:
 Farm Boys' burritos (hearty breakfast)
 Iowa Conservation team (free bananas, postcards, and water)
 Iowa Corn board (sweet corn paradise)
 Beekman's ice cream (made with 2-stroke ag engines)
 Mr. Pork Chop (substantial, fresh smoked chops)
 Iowa craft beer tent (usually in the last section of the day's route, 
 thankfully)
 
 The vendors in the towns are often more conventional.  I prefer to find local 
 restaurants, but they're usually swamped by crowds.  Local churches often 
 have benefit suppers, offering spaghetti or similar.  Those are the best 
 spots for pie.  I had a wonderful blackberry pie with lemon streusel on top 
 last year that may currently hold the top prize.
 
 2) Iowa summers can be brutal, with 90 degree days and 90 percent humidity.  
 Sun screen is mandatory (and needs to be re-applied often), although you see 
 a handful of lobsters after day 1.  It can get very hot by noon, so that's 
 another good reason to get some miles in early in the day.
 
 Bring mosquito repellent for when you stop.
 
 We get some pretty impressive thunderstorms in Iowa.  We got caught in one 
 last year, and the wind tore my girlfriend's dad's vinyl poncho right off his 
 back while we were desperately riding to the next town.  We huddled in the 
 high school (it smelled like wet canines in there, yuck).  I was soaked to 
 the bone and shivering, and didn't fully recover until about an hour later 
 with bright sunshine and a hot pork chop.
 
 You can bring rain gear if you want, but I don't because it just makes me 
 sopping wet from sweat instead of wet from rain.  But, a change of riding 
 clothes in a dry bag would be a great idea for a day with a chance of storms.
 
 3) RAGBRAI is a traveling circus.  More than 20,000 riders (official numbers 
 are difficult because many people ride without passes), support RVs and cars, 
 vendors, etc.  Even if you pull off the road to fertilize the cornfield 
 (everyone does it.  bring TP), you may find that someone else is using the 
 facilities a couple rows over.  You're always in a crowd on RAGBRAI.
 
 I find these crowds fun for a short while, and then they're just frustrating. 
  It's imperative to my sanity that I get a break now and again.  The RAGBRAI 
 routing is thorough but pretty myopic; it stays on main roads to keep folks 
 from getting lost.  I prefer to get off the main route sometimes to explore, 
 or to go to a restaurant without 500 bikers already in line.
 
 Your RAGBRAI pass entitles you to lots of support, including bag drag each 
 day to the campsite in the next town.  But that campsite is often the high 
 school football field, or the local city park.  Shared with 5,000 or more 
 people.  The showers are not free, and usually have very long lines.  Cell 
 phone charging is very rare (bring an extension cord with multiple sockets so 
 you can share an outlet).   
 
 The noise is ever-present as well.  You'll get passed by folks playing really 
 crappy music, 

Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Tim Gavin
Rusty

Good to hear that you found a team.  That's definitely the better way to do
it.  The team will take care of you.

I'd like to join a team, but all the ones I meet are drinking clubs with a
riding problem.

I'm sure we'll see each other on the ride.  Although there are lots of
different riders and bicycles, Rivs stand out.  Let me know if you want to
ride some gravel on Friday.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Dale Click click...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great info, and advice Tim.  I hadn’t thought of the bug spray, thanks.

 I just into a group that has a support van, and they have been doing this
 for a long time.  they carry the bags, etc., and try to get nearby camping
 at private residences, or private camp sites.

 I’ll check our accommodations when it gets close, and maybe join you in
 Hiawatha if we’re nearby, to say hello at least.
 If you see messages on the board for PMM (Pennsylvania Mountain Men),
 that’s us.

 I’ll be riding a green Sam with DTT’s.  Hope to see you amongst the
 masses!


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Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Robert F. Harrison
Have a great time! I've done it twice and actually hooked up with some list
members the last time (2013). I hope to do it again next year but this year
I've got other plans. As has been suggested some of the vendors along the
way are great. Though I'll admit I've given up pie, if you haven't check
out all the great pies along the way - you can find the best at the various
churches that open up their doors along the way.

I'm jealous (just a little - I'll be riding the GAP/CO this year).

Aloha,

Bob

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Rusty Click click...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any list members riding RAGBRAI this year?  They (RAGBRAI) have called my
 bluff, and informed me that  I have gotten in via the lottery.  Now, I'm
 hoping that my knees can keep me, and my Sam Hillborne, rolling!  So far,
 I'm guardedly optimistic about this.  NSAIDS, electrolytes, and pie will
 have to keep me going.  Any advice, or warnings out there from previous
 riders?

 Rusty Click
 Pittsburgh, PA

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Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Dale Click
 Hi Bob,
 
 You will enjoy the GAP/CO.  My friends and I occasionally provide bike 
 escort to tour groups (arranged through Bike-the-Gap).  Mostly, for the 
 transitional ride out of Pittsburgh, but sometimes full length or to 
 Cumberland where we, the guides, turn around and ride back.
 
 Let me know if I can help with anything.  I can steer you towards things to 
 see here in Pittsburgh, or suggest things for along the route.   If you are 
 in town a day or two in advance of your departure, I can take you for a ride 
 around town.  If schedules work out(you didn't specify dates), at the very 
 least I could ride a bit with you and your group to say Hi!

   You can also use me as a local emergency contact, if the need arises.

 Thanks,

 Rusty Click
 724-554-1909


 On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Have a great time! I've done it twice and actually hooked up with some list 
 members the last time (2013). I hope to do it again next year but this year 
 I've got other plans. As has been suggested some of the vendors along the way 
 are great. Though I'll admit I've given up pie, if you haven't check out all 
 the great pies along the way - you can find the best at the various churches 
 that open up their doors along the way. 
 
 I'm jealous (just a little - I'll be riding the GAP/CO this year). 
 
 Aloha,
 
 Bob
 
 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Rusty Click click...@gmail.com 
 mailto:click...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any list members riding RAGBRAI this year?  They (RAGBRAI) have called my 
 bluff, and informed me that  I have gotten in via the lottery.  Now, I'm 
 hoping that my knees can keep me, and my Sam Hillborne, rolling!  So far, I'm 
 guardedly optimistic about this.  NSAIDS, electrolytes, and pie will have to 
 keep me going.  Any advice, or warnings out there from previous riders?
 
 Rusty Click
 Pittsburgh, PA
 
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Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I've said it before, and will publicly say it again: This is list is the 
best collection of people on the internet that I know of!


On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 10:44:56 AM UTC-7, Rusty Click wrote:

 Hi Bob,

 You will enjoy the GAP/CO.  My friends and I occasionally provide bike 
 escort to tour groups (arranged through Bike-the-Gap).  Mostly, for the 
 transitional ride out of Pittsburgh, but sometimes full length or to 
 Cumberland where we, the guides, turn around and ride back.

 Let me know if I can help with anything.  I can steer you towards things 
 to see here in Pittsburgh, or suggest things for along the route.   If you 
 are in town a day or two in advance of your departure, I can take you for a 
 ride around town.  If schedules work out(you didn't specify dates), at the 
 very least I could ride a bit with you and your group to say Hi!


You can also use me as a local emergency contact, if the need arises.

  Thanks,

  Rusty Click
  724-554-1909


 On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfhar...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Have a great time! I've done it twice and actually hooked up with some 
 list members the last time (2013). I hope to do it again next year but this 
 year I've got other plans. As has been suggested some of the vendors along 
 the way are great. Though I'll admit I've given up pie, if you haven't 
 check out all the great pies along the way - you can find the best at the 
 various churches that open up their doors along the way. 

 I'm jealous (just a little - I'll be riding the GAP/CO this year). 

 Aloha,

 Bob

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Rusty Click clic...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Any list members riding RAGBRAI this year?  They (RAGBRAI) have called my 
 bluff, and informed me that  I have gotten in via the lottery.  Now, I'm 
 hoping that my knees can keep me, and my Sam Hillborne, rolling!  So far, 
 I'm guardedly optimistic about this.  NSAIDS, electrolytes, and pie will 
 have to keep me going.  Any advice, or warnings out there from previous 
 riders?

 Rusty Click
 Pittsburgh, PA

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Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Robert F. Harrison
Wow! Thanks so much Dale.

Unfortunately we won't be in Pittsburgh long at all (though there may be
time for coffee or something). I'll be arriving in Pittsburgh sometime on
Saturday July 11th after driving up from DC with my riding buddy. We'll be
leaving for the ride the next morning (he has limited time).

I can't say when we'll get to Pittsburgh exactly, but I'm hoping for late
afternoon so we can get in a quick ride around town. I'll send details
off-list and perhaps we can meet and I'd love to hear your take on the
GAP/CO and what not to miss.

We're taking our time doing it over seven days so we should have plenty of
time for stops, photos. We aren't camping and already have our reservations
so we more or less know where we'll be every afternoon, but since it's over
7 days we've got lots of time each day (even at our slow pace).

I agree with David (cyclotourist), the best collection of people on the
internet that I know of!

I'll send contact information off list!

Aloha, Bob

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Dale Click click...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Bob,

 You will enjoy the GAP/CO.  My friends and I occasionally provide bike
 escort to tour groups (arranged through Bike-the-Gap).  Mostly, for the
 transitional ride out of Pittsburgh, but sometimes full length or to
 Cumberland where we, the guides, turn around and ride back.

 Let me know if I can help with anything.  I can steer you towards things
 to see here in Pittsburgh, or suggest things for along the route.   If you
 are in town a day or two in advance of your departure, I can take you for a
 ride around town.  If schedules work out(you didn't specify dates), at the
 very least I could ride a bit with you and your group to say Hi!


You can also use me as a local emergency contact, if the need arises.

  Thanks,

  Rusty Click
  724-554-1909


 On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Have a great time! I've done it twice and actually hooked up with some
 list members the last time (2013). I hope to do it again next year but this
 year I've got other plans. As has been suggested some of the vendors along
 the way are great. Though I'll admit I've given up pie, if you haven't
 check out all the great pies along the way - you can find the best at the
 various churches that open up their doors along the way.

 I'm jealous (just a little - I'll be riding the GAP/CO this year).

 Aloha,

 Bob

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Rusty Click click...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any list members riding RAGBRAI this year?  They (RAGBRAI) have called my
 bluff, and informed me that  I have gotten in via the lottery.  Now, I'm
 hoping that my knees can keep me, and my Sam Hillborne, rolling!  So far,
 I'm guardedly optimistic about this.  NSAIDS, electrolytes, and pie will
 have to keep me going.  Any advice, or warnings out there from previous
 riders?

 Rusty Click
 Pittsburgh, PA

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Re: [RBW] What have I done?

2015-06-11 Thread Tim Gavin
I'm riding the last 3 days with my girlfriend and her father.  I'll be on
my 650b Riv Road, my girlfriend on her Soma San Marcos, and her father on
his 80s Raleigh that I rebuilt for him, Riv-style.  We did the full week
last year but are doing our own thing this year.

We live near Hiawatha (Thursday night), so we're riding to Cedar Falls from
here on Weds, riding back to Hiawatha with RAGBRAI on Thursday, riding
partially off-route and partially off-pavement to Coralville on Friday, and
riding with RAGBRAI to the end on Saturday.

RAGBRAI is a ton of fun, normally uptight Iowans get totally loose.  The
local hosts give a bemused smile, shaking their heads but taking your
money.  It's a very good-natured ride.

BUT:
it has several challenges
1) the ride itself
2) the weather
3) the people

1) The ride is long.  This year's days are pretty consistent, from 56 to 74
miles.  There are hills (steep, short rollers).
Ron has good advice, water and ibuprofen are helpful.

Ride at your own pace.  If you're slow, then get going early and ride the
day with generous stops.

RAGBRAI organizes official stopover towns throughout the route, and there
are plenty of other opportunities to stop.  Many vendors will rent
farmyards along the route and set up professional operations each day.
Favorites include:
Farm Boys' burritos (hearty breakfast)
Iowa Conservation team (free bananas, postcards, and water)
Iowa Corn board (sweet corn paradise)
Beekman's ice cream (made with 2-stroke ag engines)
Mr. Pork Chop (substantial, fresh smoked chops)
Iowa craft beer tent (usually in the last section of the day's route,
thankfully)

The vendors in the towns are often more conventional.  I prefer to find
local restaurants, but they're usually swamped by crowds.  Local churches
often have benefit suppers, offering spaghetti or similar.  Those are the
best spots for pie.  I had a wonderful blackberry pie with lemon streusel
on top last year that may currently hold the top prize.

2) Iowa summers can be brutal, with 90 degree days and 90 percent
humidity.  Sun screen is mandatory (and needs to be re-applied often),
although you see a handful of lobsters after day 1.  It can get very hot by
noon, so that's another good reason to get some miles in early in the day.

Bring mosquito repellent for when you stop.

We get some pretty impressive thunderstorms in Iowa.  We got caught in one
last year, and the wind tore my girlfriend's dad's vinyl poncho right off
his back while we were desperately riding to the next town.  We huddled in
the high school (it smelled like wet canines in there, yuck).  I was soaked
to the bone and shivering, and didn't fully recover until about an hour
later with bright sunshine and a hot pork chop.

You can bring rain gear if you want, but I don't because it just makes me
sopping wet from sweat instead of wet from rain.  But, a change of riding
clothes in a dry bag would be a great idea for a day with a chance of
storms.

3) RAGBRAI is a traveling circus.  More than 20,000 riders (official
numbers are difficult because many people ride without passes), support RVs
and cars, vendors, etc.  Even if you pull off the road to fertilize the
cornfield (everyone does it.  bring TP), you may find that someone else is
using the facilities a couple rows over.  You're always in a crowd on
RAGBRAI.

I find these crowds fun for a short while, and then they're just
frustrating.  It's imperative to my sanity that I get a break now and
again.  The RAGBRAI routing is thorough but pretty myopic; it stays on main
roads to keep folks from getting lost.  I prefer to get off the main route
sometimes to explore, or to go to a restaurant without 500 bikers already
in line.

Your RAGBRAI pass entitles you to lots of support, including bag drag each
day to the campsite in the next town.  But that campsite is often the high
school football field, or the local city park.  Shared with 5,000 or more
people.  The showers are not free, and usually have very long lines.  Cell
phone charging is very rare (bring an extension cord with multiple sockets
so you can share an outlet).

The noise is ever-present as well.  You'll get passed by folks playing
really crappy music, really loudly, through really crappy speakers.  The
towns are in party mode, so crap country is blaring everywhere.  Even where
you try to sleep, you may be able to hear the big concert form the
campsite.  I recommend earplugs.

Some folks get up very early, in order to get to the next town first and
grab the best camping spots.  You'll see these folks under the one tree in
the field, napping at 3 pm in a hammock.  But they get up at 5 to
accomplish this scheme.

Although these facilities are livable (we did it every night but one last
year), you'll feel better on the ride if you find better places to sleep,
with more shade, less noise, and better shower access.  Use the RAGBRAI
website to look for willing hosts in the towns, maybe place craigslist ads,
and ask around on web forums.