Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
I rode 65 miles this weekend on my Raceface Atlas platforms and Merrill proterras with no kind of pain whatsoever - did take a pretty good nap, though. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/aaaP5030001.jpg On Sunday, May 3, 2015 at 5:13:59 PM UTC-5, Chris Chen wrote: The MKS touring is a gorgeous pedal but it's very narrow. I've got grip kings and VP-001 or Vice pedals and they're great. I rode one summer with birkenstocks and MKS touring pedals and while it was fun it was hell on my feet :) On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Evan E. evanel...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Just to pile on and to address Lungimsam's original question: - If the pedal is a long and broad platform (such as Thin Gripster or RMX Sneaker Pedal), then the shoe and its sole rigidity matters very little. - If the pedal has narrow/limited points of contact (such as the MKS Touring Pedal), then the shoe matters more and, for me at least, a stiffer sole helps my feet stay comfortable, even on rides of 40+ miles. Evan E. SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
The MKS touring is a gorgeous pedal but it's very narrow. I've got grip kings and VP-001 or Vice pedals and they're great. I rode one summer with birkenstocks and MKS touring pedals and while it was fun it was hell on my feet :) On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Evan E. evanellio...@gmail.com wrote: Just to pile on and to address Lungimsam's original question: - If the pedal is a long and broad platform (such as Thin Gripster or RMX Sneaker Pedal), then the shoe and its sole rigidity matters very little. - If the pedal has narrow/limited points of contact (such as the MKS Touring Pedal), then the shoe matters more and, for me at least, a stiffer sole helps my feet stay comfortable, even on rides of 40+ miles. Evan E. SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of an old Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals/ I have them on two bikes. They’re great pedals if you like toe clips (I do, for some bikes). Not so good without the clips. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 12:56 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count? I'm curious. What is a Paul's Urban pedal? I can't find a reference through the Googling. Thanks, John On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 3:31:12 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: The second thing I do is vary the pedals I use. On my Ram tandem I use Speedplay Frogs (I know clipless) and on the Saluki I use the Paul's Urban pedal. That gives me some variety of contact point. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
Oh! Of course, silly me. +1 on the White's, great pedals, especially with BG's clips. John On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:59:12 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of an old Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals/ I have them on two bikes. They’re great pedals if you like toe clips (I do, for some bikes). Not so good without the clips. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
And +1 for the BG clips, too – the White pedal with the BG half clips is a terrific combo From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Mc Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:07 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count? great-looking pedals for clips, and fast ingress On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:03:21 PM UTC-5, John wrote: Oh! Of course, silly me. +1 on the White's, great pedals, especially with BG's clips. John On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:59:12 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of an old Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals/ I have them on two bikes. They’re great pedals if you like toe clips (I do, for some bikes). Not so good without the clips. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
great-looking pedals for clips, and fast ingress On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:03:21 PM UTC-5, John wrote: Oh! Of course, silly me. +1 on the White's, great pedals, especially with BG's clips. John On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:59:12 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of an old Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals/ I have them on two bikes. They’re great pedals if you like toe clips (I do, for some bikes). Not so good without the clips. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
A little off-topic, but in addition to the BG half clips, the King Cages folks make an unusual kind of cage/toe clip that is REALLY comfortable. Pic here on my A.N.T. Truss Bike. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8088486740/in/set-72157630285823166 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Adler Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 2:03 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count? MKS does a similar Lyotard-Berthet knockoff, as the Urban Platform Ezy Superior. http://www.mkspedal.com/English/catalog4.htm Both the superelegant WI version and the MKS version are much bigger than the original Lyotard pedals, which are all but unusable for anyone with feet bigger than about Size 7, unless you have toeclips. MKS also does a wire-cage half-clip similar to Bruce Gordon's (my recollection of the timeline is that MKS had them before Bruce did). Outside Outfitters has the pedals for $38http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/ps-27010-195-mks-urban-platform-pedals.aspx and the toeclips for $21http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/ps-27009-195-mks-stainless-steel-toe-clips-straps.aspx, so it's a fairly inexpensive experiment. Personally, I gave up on Lyotard Berthets for anything except retro-fetish reasons; they're too small for my 10.5 Amurrrican feet, and they're made out of a wussy soft steel - the kicktabs bend if you look at them crosseyed. The modern pedals are a lot more rugged. On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:59:12 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of an old Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
Oh man! Those are classy clips! John On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: A little off-topic, but in addition to the BG half clips, the King Cages folks make an unusual kind of cage/toe clip that is REALLY comfortable. Pic here on my A.N.T. Truss Bike. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8088486740/in/set-72157630285823166 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Peter Adler *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
MKS does a similar Lyotard-Berthet knockoff, as the Urban Platform Ezy Superior. http://www.mkspedal.com/English/catalog4.htm Both the superelegant WI version and the MKS version are much bigger than the original Lyotard pedals, which are all but unusable for anyone with feet bigger than about Size 7, unless you have toeclips. MKS also does a wire-cage half-clip similar to Bruce Gordon's (my recollection of the timeline is that MKS had them before Bruce did). Outside Outfitters has the pedals for $38 http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/ps-27010-195-mks-urban-platform-pedals.aspx and the toeclips for $21 http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/ps-27009-195-mks-stainless-steel-toe-clips-straps.aspx, so it's a fairly inexpensive experiment. Personally, I gave up on Lyotard Berthets for anything except retro-fetish reasons; they're too small for my 10.5 Amurrrican feet, and they're made out of a wussy soft steel - the kicktabs bend if you look at them crosseyed. The modern pedals are a lot more rugged. On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 9:59:12 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Probably meant to be White Industries Urban Pedal, a very nice update of an old Lyotard pedal. Link here: http://www.whiteind.com/pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
the King Cages folks make an unusual kind of cage/toe clip that is REALLY comfortable. Pic here on my A.N.T. Truss Bike Definitely nice. I managed to break one though. Stopped by a stop light at a busy Chicago intersection with my right foot on the street. When the light changed trying to start as fast as possible I managed to step on top of the clip rather than in it. Darned if it did not break completely at the curve. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
Just to pile on and to address Lungimsam's original question: - If the pedal is a long and broad platform (such as Thin Gripster or RMX Sneaker Pedal), then the shoe and its sole rigidity matters very little. - If the pedal has narrow/limited points of contact (such as the MKS Touring Pedal), then the shoe matters more and, for me at least, a stiffer sole helps my feet stay comfortable, even on rides of 40+ miles. Evan E. SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
Soft sole shoes need a wider/flatter surfaced pedal to distribute downforce. Stiff soled shoes can get by with a tiny SPD or Eggbeater type contact. Sounds like you have a soft sole and two narrow/linear points of contact (MKS Touring). Either wear firmer-soled shoes, or get a platform pedal. I'd vote for pedal change over the shoe change. On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I agree with Ron that your foot may be flexing too much, but disagree that means you need to increase support. I believe it means you need to decrease support and intentionally strengthen your foot. The arch of the foot is a windlass mechanism. When running it absorbs energy on landing, stores it through the foot plant, and returns a healthy portion of that energy back in the push off. It's quite amazing. But if the foot muscles are weak, it may not be able to hold the lock or push off position, which I experience as the best position for forefoot pedaling. On the pedal, the foot feels locked and like it does when pushing off when running. This differs from a midfoot pedal position which most closely resembles the storage/foot plant part of the running stride. I would suggest you work on strengthening your feet, listening to them as to how much is too much. Run also, if you can. Add milage as you feet are comfortable. The alternative is that you add support and your feet get weaker because of it. As to the toe tingly, are your shoes wide enough or do the push your big toe inward? You may have to really pay attention, because most shoes are not foot shaped, so most people are used to having shoes deform their feet and not noticing (I sure was). Wear shoes (ideally minimalist, Zem Terra series are excellent) when you need to ( for cold, rock and root safety, fine if it's all the time). But don't wear shoes that will further weaken or deform your feet (that have support, arent' foot shaped, have a raised heel, or cushioning). Have fun playing with what works! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: So is it the pedals or is it the shoes that count?
Yep, that's the idea! I know where you can get some MKS Sneaker Pedals cheap! $20 shipped to your door! On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the pedal change over the shoe change seems like a better option to try first, because, if successful, then I can wear any shoe and not be tied to a single shoe for cycling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
