Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Dear Steve, On the other hand, I strongly prefer downtube shifters to bar-cons. One, I find my bicycle handling is not affected by the reach to the downtube with my right hand. I'm not especially tall, but am +4 on the ape index (long arms) and the downtube shifters require less effort to reach from the drops than the bar-ends. I deeply dislike shifting both hands to the ends of the drops to make a shift, and moving my hands from hooks to drops disturbs me more than just letting go with one hand. Second, a double shift is a one-handed affair with downtube shifters--it can all be done in one movement, with one hand, faster than with bar-cons. Thumb on the left shifter, heel of the hand on the right with the last fingers to fine-tune the (friction) shift if downshifting. Thumb and index finger on left shifter, heel of hand and rest of fingers on right shifter. It is even easier with indexed systems and early-shifting derailleurs. Bar-cons made me give up on half-step gearing. Downtube shifters brought me back. Bar-cons actually work pretty well for conditions when you can't let go of a handlebar due to the roughness of the trail. For me, that's offroad. Best Regards, Will William M. deRosset Fort Collins, CO On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:01:18 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2014 02:44 PM, George Schick wrote: Plus, if you're used to riding with hands on the brake lever hoods, as I assume most of us are, you still have to reach down to the end of the drops with one hand or the other. With the DT's only one hand is required to do all the shifting - and you only reach down once. Let me take issue with this. When I say reach down to get at a downtube shifter, I mean not only extend the arm and the hand, but also bend at the waist, tipping the head down towards the ground. It's a *reach.* (This varies by frame size, arm length, etc: some people simply drop their hand and it lands right on the shift lever, no body movement involved. I have a big frame and relatively short arms; for me it is a big reach.) Unless they have a grotesquely incorrectly sized handlebar and stem, nobody needs to *reach* that way to get their hand on the end of the handle bar. Yes you do have to move your hand. No you do not have to extend your arm or bend at the waist. Or, if you do, you'd really better change your stem and your handlebars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Early winter irritability is showing up in this thread. Let's count our blessings and move on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I too preferred dt shifters for half stepping, though the best setup for me was those devices that allowed to you mount dt shifters just inboard of your brake hoods -- mid '90s invention, IIRC, sold by Rivendell at one time. I remember! Kelly Take-Offs!! I too prefer bar cons for off road. But I solved my anxiety about which to choose by riding mostly fixed. On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:44 PM, William deRosset wmderos...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Bar-cons made me give up on half-step gearing. Downtube shifters brought me back. Bar-cons actually work pretty well for conditions when you can't let go of a handlebar due to the roughness of the trail. For me, that's offroad. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
All-Is anyone still making indexed DT shifters? -Norman 'waiting for the Pineapple Express in PDX' Bone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Yes. You can still get 8 speed Tiagra. 9 and 10 speed Shimano DT shifters I think you'll be buying either in the second hand or the NOS kind of market. I've used super cheap 9 speed SunRace DT shifters. The clicks were shimano 9-speed compatible. On Friday, December 19, 2014 10:45:24 AM UTC-8, Norman Bone wrote: All- Is anyone still making indexed DT shifters? -Norman 'waiting for the Pineapple Express in PDX' Bone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote: I am compelled to mention that bar end shifters do not preclude using a front rack and bag. Both my Bleriot and my Sweetpea are set up that way. -- Not 100% sure where we are going here, what shifter setup precludes racks and bags? If that was a STI cut, than I totally disagree, I have Ultegra STI levers on my Handsome with a front bag and on my Kogswell with a decaleur and rack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it for the first 100 miles. In everything, she is an aggressive charger. It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge. Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small frame with 700c wheels. This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets. Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes. As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for people not to want to use DT shifters. Danger is not one of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
more like the Bullwinkle show On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it for the first 100 miles. In everything, she is an aggressive charger. It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge. Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small frame with 700c wheels. This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets. Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes. As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for people not to want to use DT shifters. Danger is not one of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my daughter's bike On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: more like the Bullwinkle show On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it for the first 100 miles. In everything, she is an aggressive charger. It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge. Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small frame with 700c wheels. This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets. Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes. As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for people not to want to use DT shifters. Danger is not one of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I made a post that was a point about something specific, nothing general. The fact that you and steve both took general exception with it really show what dicks the two of you are - a general point made over and over On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:26:34 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my daughter's bike On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: more like the Bullwinkle show On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it for the first 100 miles. In everything, she is an aggressive charger. It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge. Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small frame with 700c wheels. This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets. Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes. As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for people not to want to use DT shifters. Danger is not one of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my daughter's bike I have no point of view on your daughter's bike. I have a point of view on whether DT shifters are any more or less safe than Bar End. My point of view is they are not. If you are sensitive to point of view about your daughter's bike, I suggest you not use it as an example in support of your point of view in a public forum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I took it as him not understanding your concern with a DT setup. I support you taking whatever steps necessary to give your daughter the safest cycling environment possible. On Dec 18, 2014 11:26 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my daughter's bike On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: more like the Bullwinkle show On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it for the first 100 miles. In everything, she is an aggressive charger. It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge. Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small frame with 700c wheels. This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets. Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes. As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for people not to want to use DT shifters. Danger is not one of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
My DT shifters are pretty much right on the front tire. I've only put fingers in the spokes twice since 1989, though. :) https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5607/15469447286_1704628d82_k.jpg On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:43:04 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2014 01:52 PM, Matthew J wrote: because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift What set up would lead to this? The point is, there is no downtube shifter setup that would require anyone to reach into the wheel. In fact, you aren't anywhere even close to the wheel. Now perhaps it might seem that way. Does it seem that you are in danger of reaching into the wheel to retrieve a water bottle? And I say this as a person who doesn't like, and even back in the day didn't like downtube shifters. Fair's fair. It's perfectly fine to say you don't like 'em without having to point to exaggerated, fancied dangers as a reason for not liking them.(Same's true WRT people who don't like bar end shifters: it's OK to not like them just because.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I support you taking whatever steps necessary to give your daughter the safest cycling environment possible. Me too. Truly sorry this whole topic went off track. Bottom line is Lungimsam should certainly give DT a try. He may just like it as much as some of us here do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Bottom line is Lungimsam should certainly give DT a try. He may just like it as much as some of us here do. unless his Sam Hillborne and Bleriot don't happen to be equipped with DT shift bosses. In that case he should just be happy with what he has because barcons are also great. On Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:16:41 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote: I support you taking whatever steps necessary to give your daughter the safest cycling environment possible. Me too. Truly sorry this whole topic went off track. Bottom line is Lungimsam should certainly give DT a try. He may just like it as much as some of us here do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I was reading the old posts in this thread and noticed this one again, I too tend to click the bar-end with my palm as I hold the bar, works pretty good and it keeps two hands on the bar at all times. Of course this only works for upshifts, unless someone has figured out how to levitate their lever up with their palm ;) On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I also love the subtle feel of pushing the bar end down with palm and everything shifting just like silk On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:04:48 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: I would disagree that brifters are more convenient than BEs. I find pushing with my finger tips quite unnatural. Michael On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:41:04 AM UTC-5, Mojo wrote: I will join Andrew here, I love downtube friction shifting. Its simple with very fast derailer response to input. There is very little to go wrong. Even the entire cable is visible in case it starts to fail. Bar ends are great too just not Great. Its not as easy or as convenient as bar ends, by a gnat's ass. Just as bar ends aren't as convenient as brifters. Just how much convenience do we need? Are we men or are we Devo?! What's wrong with having to use a little more finesse?! ...Oh sorry... I feel better now. All that said, I only have one bike of eight with downtube shifters. Its my LHT tank and sometimes I pull it down just because I feel like playing fretless. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:09:21 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: If I love friction bar end shifting, will I find friction DT shifting just as easy and enjoyable? Never done it before, and seems like the reach may make it more difficult and looks like there's a big potential for knees banging into forearms while pedalling and reaching down to shift at same time. What's your experience been with DT shifting? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
unless his Sam Hillborne and Bleriot don't happen to be equipped with DT shift bosses. Believe Bleriot did come with DT bosses. Not sure about the Hillborne. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Yeah, the one bike (Fargo) with BES has a big wad of bar tape padding on the top tube where the Silver shifters would otherwise contact the paint -- this tape is scarred from many contacts. Such contacts also annoyingly shift the levers which is something I have to anticipate when I first get on and go -- don't want to stand on the pedal and have the chain slam into the wrong gear. AND I broke a Silver shifter when the bike fell over ... All that said, the BES are easier to shift precisely, which is good on rough terrain. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Clayton.sf clayton...@gmail.com wrote: One (to me) huge advantage is the fact that DT are fairly well protected whereas bar end shifters live in a fairly exposed place when it comes to crashing, leaning, falling over. With a little practice both work just fine. Clayton, SF -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Those rubber shift lever covers were made for DT levers, but always seemed pretty pointless. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aaaPA180005.jpg However, they're absolutely necessary on bar end shifters to protect the top tube paint. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:16:52 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Yeah, the one bike (Fargo) with BES has a big wad of bar tape padding on the top tube where the Silver shifters would otherwise contact the paint -- this tape is scarred from many contacts. Such contacts also annoyingly shift the levers which is something I have to anticipate when I first get on and go -- don't want to stand on the pedal and have the chain slam into the wrong gear. AND I broke a Silver shifter when the bike fell over ... All that said, the BES are easier to shift precisely, which is good on rough terrain. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Clayton.sf clayt...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: One (to me) huge advantage is the fact that DT are fairly well protected whereas bar end shifters live in a fairly exposed place when it comes to crashing, leaning, falling over. With a little practice both work just fine. Clayton, SF -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I see lots of drop bar users with bar ends... Just saying. On Dec 17, 2014 10:23 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro marchantshap...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that the kind of handlebar you're using is also a factor. If you're using drops, DT is probably much more appealing than if you're using a sit-up handlebar of some sort. I'm a drop-bar user, and so find DT shifters natural. I expect if I ever shift to uprights, I'll want something closer to my hands--likely a 3-speed trigger arrangement. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:17:27 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote: for me a huge factor is how much you actually shift, i found DT shifters much more livable after i got my single-speed. i find the reach a little far, but in many cases i just don't shift :) but i'm one of the people that love the look versus bar-end shifters--especially bar-ends where you exit the tape at the drops, just looks cleaner! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Jim, have to agree with you about the obvious - no offense. Bar ends and a moustache cockpit are just perfect. I can see how stem shifters would be best with Albas and absolute sit-straight-up cycling. I did, however, hunt down Microshift 9-speed barcons for my daughter's first drop-bar bike, because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift, and she's very happy with them. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/aaP6240002.jpg On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:12:20 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: I see lots of drop bar users with bar ends... Just saying. On Dec 17, 2014 10:23 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro marchan...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: It occurs to me that the kind of handlebar you're using is also a factor. If you're using drops, DT is probably much more appealing than if you're using a sit-up handlebar of some sort. I'm a drop-bar user, and so find DT shifters natural. I expect if I ever shift to uprights, I'll want something closer to my hands--likely a 3-speed trigger arrangement. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:17:27 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote: for me a huge factor is how much you actually shift, i found DT shifters much more livable after i got my single-speed. i find the reach a little far, but in many cases i just don't shift :) but i'm one of the people that love the look versus bar-end shifters--especially bar-ends where you exit the tape at the drops, just looks cleaner! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift What set up would lead to this? On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:27:01 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: Jim, have to agree with you about the obvious - no offense. Bar ends and a moustache cockpit are just perfect. I can see how stem shifters would be best with Albas and absolute sit-straight-up cycling. I did, however, hunt down Microshift 9-speed barcons for my daughter's first drop-bar bike, because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift, and she's very happy with them. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/aaP6240002.jpg On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:12:20 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: I see lots of drop bar users with bar ends... Just saying. On Dec 17, 2014 10:23 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro marchan...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that the kind of handlebar you're using is also a factor. If you're using drops, DT is probably much more appealing than if you're using a sit-up handlebar of some sort. I'm a drop-bar user, and so find DT shifters natural. I expect if I ever shift to uprights, I'll want something closer to my hands--likely a 3-speed trigger arrangement. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:17:27 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote: for me a huge factor is how much you actually shift, i found DT shifters much more livable after i got my single-speed. i find the reach a little far, but in many cases i just don't shift :) but i'm one of the people that love the look versus bar-end shifters--especially bar-ends where you exit the tape at the drops, just looks cleaner! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
hi Matthew, you calling me out? I didn't want my 12-year old daughter to deal with downtube shifters. If you think different I'm happy for you. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:52:37 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift What set up would lead to this? On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:27:01 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: Jim, have to agree with you about the obvious - no offense. Bar ends and a moustache cockpit are just perfect. I can see how stem shifters would be best with Albas and absolute sit-straight-up cycling. I did, however, hunt down Microshift 9-speed barcons for my daughter's first drop-bar bike, because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift, and she's very happy with them. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/aaP6240002.jpg On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:12:20 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: I see lots of drop bar users with bar ends... Just saying. On Dec 17, 2014 10:23 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro marchan...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that the kind of handlebar you're using is also a factor. If you're using drops, DT is probably much more appealing than if you're using a sit-up handlebar of some sort. I'm a drop-bar user, and so find DT shifters natural. I expect if I ever shift to uprights, I'll want something closer to my hands--likely a 3-speed trigger arrangement. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:17:27 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote: for me a huge factor is how much you actually shift, i found DT shifters much more livable after i got my single-speed. i find the reach a little far, but in many cases i just don't shift :) but i'm one of the people that love the look versus bar-end shifters--especially bar-ends where you exit the tape at the drops, just looks cleaner! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Not calling you out, sincerely did not follow. Shifting is personal. I have no say - nor want any - as to what others do. However on most bikes the rider's hand is as close to the wheel at the bottom of drop bars as at a down tube shifter. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:10:36 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: hi Matthew, you calling me out? I didn't want my 12-year old daughter to deal with downtube shifters. If you think different I'm happy for you. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:52:37 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift What set up would lead to this? On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:27:01 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: Jim, have to agree with you about the obvious - no offense. Bar ends and a moustache cockpit are just perfect. I can see how stem shifters would be best with Albas and absolute sit-straight-up cycling. I did, however, hunt down Microshift 9-speed barcons for my daughter's first drop-bar bike, because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift, and she's very happy with them. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/aaP6240002.jpg On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:12:20 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: I see lots of drop bar users with bar ends... Just saying. On Dec 17, 2014 10:23 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro marchan...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that the kind of handlebar you're using is also a factor. If you're using drops, DT is probably much more appealing than if you're using a sit-up handlebar of some sort. I'm a drop-bar user, and so find DT shifters natural. I expect if I ever shift to uprights, I'll want something closer to my hands--likely a 3-speed trigger arrangement. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:17:27 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote: for me a huge factor is how much you actually shift, i found DT shifters much more livable after i got my single-speed. i find the reach a little far, but in many cases i just don't shift :) but i'm one of the people that love the look versus bar-end shifters--especially bar-ends where you exit the tape at the drops, just looks cleaner! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
On 12/17/2014 01:52 PM, Matthew J wrote: because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift What set up would lead to this? The point is, there is no downtube shifter setup that would require anyone to reach into the wheel. In fact, you aren't anywhere even close to the wheel. Now perhaps it might seem that way. Does it seem that you are in danger of reaching into the wheel to retrieve a water bottle? And I say this as a person who doesn't like, and even back in the day didn't like downtube shifters. Fair's fair. It's perfectly fine to say you don't like 'em without having to point to exaggerated, fancied dangers as a reason for not liking them.(Same's true WRT people who don't like bar end shifters: it's OK to not like them just because.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
On 12/17/2014 02:44 PM, George Schick wrote: Plus, if you're used to riding with hands on the brake lever hoods, as I assume most of us are, you still have to reach down to the end of the drops with one hand or the other. With the DT's only one hand is required to do all the shifting - and you only reach down once. Let me take issue with this. When I say reach down to get at a downtube shifter, I mean not only extend the arm and the hand, but also bend at the waist, tipping the head down towards the ground. It's a *reach.* (This varies by frame size, arm length, etc: some people simply drop their hand and it lands right on the shift lever, no body movement involved. I have a big frame and relatively short arms; for me it is a big reach.) Unless they have a grotesquely incorrectly sized handlebar and stem, nobody needs to *reach* that way to get their hand on the end of the handle bar. Yes you do have to move your hand. No you do not have to extend your arm or bend at the waist. Or, if you do, you'd really better change your stem and your handlebars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
OK, I'll say uncle on this one. I stand 5' 9 and have slightly disproportionately shorter legs vs. slightly longer torso ratio. And I ride a 54cm frame. So for me to reach down is no big deal, but I realize that it might be a big issue for those of taller heights and more proportionate builds who ride larger frames. In which case the DT vs. bar-con issue may be more a physiological necessity than one of person preference. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:01:18 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2014 02:44 PM, George Schick wrote: Plus, if you're used to riding with hands on the brake lever hoods, as I assume most of us are, you still have to reach down to the end of the drops with one hand or the other. With the DT's only one hand is required to do all the shifting - and you only reach down once. Let me take issue with this. When I say reach down to get at a downtube shifter, I mean not only extend the arm and the hand, but also bend at the waist, tipping the head down towards the ground. It's a *reach.* (This varies by frame size, arm length, etc: some people simply drop their hand and it lands right on the shift lever, no body movement involved. I have a big frame and relatively short arms; for me it is a big reach.) Unless they have a grotesquely incorrectly sized handlebar and stem, nobody needs to *reach* that way to get their hand on the end of the handle bar. Yes you do have to move your hand. No you do not have to extend your arm or bend at the waist. Or, if you do, you'd really better change your stem and your handlebars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I think a lot of it comes from what you were riding when you came of age in cycling. Something about teaching an old dog and new tricks. Scott On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll say uncle on this one. I stand 5' 9 and have slightly disproportionately shorter legs vs. slightly longer torso ratio. And I ride a 54cm frame. So for me to reach down is no big deal, but I realize that it might be a big issue for those of taller heights and more proportionate builds who ride larger frames. In which case the DT vs. bar-con issue may be more a physiological necessity than one of person preference. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:01:18 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2014 02:44 PM, George Schick wrote: Plus, if you're used to riding with hands on the brake lever hoods, as I assume most of us are, you still have to reach down to the end of the drops with one hand or the other. With the DT's only one hand is required to do all the shifting - and you only reach down once. Let me take issue with this. When I say reach down to get at a downtube shifter, I mean not only extend the arm and the hand, but also bend at the waist, tipping the head down towards the ground. It's a *reach.* (This varies by frame size, arm length, etc: some people simply drop their hand and it lands right on the shift lever, no body movement involved. I have a big frame and relatively short arms; for me it is a big reach.) Unless they have a grotesquely incorrectly sized handlebar and stem, nobody needs to *reach* that way to get their hand on the end of the handle bar. Yes you do have to move your hand. No you do not have to extend your arm or bend at the waist. Or, if you do, you'd really better change your stem and your handlebars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
Those rubber shift lever covers were made for DT levers, but always seemed pretty pointless. Speaking of fair's fair, this is a very clever idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
But I have your back. On my 58 cm Ram, I -- 5'10, mostly torso, short arms (damn! I can't reach my change!!) and simply drop my arm loosely from my shoulder and find the dt shifter. There *is* one more variable; how inclined your body is in your typical riding positions. My road bars are ~1 below saddle, and I'm at the usual 45* on the hoods, so ... On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:51 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll say uncle on this one. I stand 5' 9 and have slightly disproportionately shorter legs vs. slightly longer torso ratio. And I ride a 54cm frame. So for me to reach down is no big deal, but I realize that it might be a big issue for those of taller heights and more proportionate builds who ride larger frames. In which case the DT vs. bar-con issue may be more a physiological necessity than one of person preference. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:01:18 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2014 02:44 PM, George Schick wrote: Plus, if you're used to riding with hands on the brake lever hoods, as I assume most of us are, you still have to reach down to the end of the drops with one hand or the other. With the DT's only one hand is required to do all the shifting - and you only reach down once. Let me take issue with this. When I say reach down to get at a downtube shifter, I mean not only extend the arm and the hand, but also bend at the waist, tipping the head down towards the ground. It's a *reach.* (This varies by frame size, arm length, etc: some people simply drop their hand and it lands right on the shift lever, no body movement involved. I have a big frame and relatively short arms; for me it is a big reach.) Unless they have a grotesquely incorrectly sized handlebar and stem, nobody needs to *reach* that way to get their hand on the end of the handle bar. Yes you do have to move your hand. No you do not have to extend your arm or bend at the waist. Or, if you do, you'd really better change your stem and your handlebars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it for the first 100 miles. In everything, she is an aggressive charger. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/aP6220007.jpg DT shifters would be a half-inch from the tire, and she didn't need the distraction, while she could develop the skill, she shifts the indexed bar ends without thinking on my go-fast bike, DT shifters a good 3 inches from the tire http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/F%20Moser/aaaP6140003.jpg there are other variables than reach from the saddle On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:18:03 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: Those rubber shift lever covers were made for DT levers, but always seemed pretty pointless. Speaking of fair's fair, this is a very clever idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...
I see, that was Steve's lecture - par for the course. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:43:04 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 12/17/2014 01:52 PM, Matthew J wrote: because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift What set up would lead to this? The point is, there is no downtube shifter setup that would require anyone to reach into the wheel. In fact, you aren't anywhere even close to the wheel. Now perhaps it might seem that way. Does it seem that you are in danger of reaching into the wheel to retrieve a water bottle? And I say this as a person who doesn't like, and even back in the day didn't like downtube shifters. Fair's fair. It's perfectly fine to say you don't like 'em without having to point to exaggerated, fancied dangers as a reason for not liking them.(Same's true WRT people who don't like bar end shifters: it's OK to not like them just because.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
