Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

I worked in Silicon Valley for 30+ years and one of my friends who worked at 
Google would respond to factual questions with, “Have you heard about this 
thing called Google?”, as did other employees there. Just as my parents sent me 
to a dictionary while I wailed, “Can’t you just tell me what it means?”, I find 
I send my son to Google. Resourcefulness is one of my signature quality. Thank 
you, Mom & Dad.







> On May 27, 2020, at 5:13 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Wisdom, this. "... and I failed to utilize google ..."
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 1:28:38 PM UTC-6, Kiley Demond wrote:> Thank 
> you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was confused by 
> the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 
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>>> On May 27, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Dorothy C >>> wrote:
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>>> Fictitious school drawn by Ronald Searle, featured in a couple of old 
>>> British movies. 
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>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Trinian's_School
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Doug Hansford]

Okay boomer...Just kidding Deacon Patrick. Your comment made me think back 
to doing research papers and such in high school, before we had the 
internet. Libraries and old newspaper articles on microfilm were sources. 
I'm not implying I'd want to go back to those times but they were so 
different it's sometimes hard to remember how things were. Was it Abe 
Lincoln who once tweeted "technology makes wise men of fools"? Probably 
not. haha
Doug

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:13:58 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Wisdom, this. "... and I failed to utilize google ..."
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> With abandon,
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> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 1:28:38 PM UTC-6, Kiley Demond wrote:
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>> Thank you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was 
>> confused by the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 
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>> On May 27, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
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>> Fictitious school drawn by Ronald Searle, featured in a couple of old 
>> British movies.  
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>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Trinian's_School
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wisdom, this. "... and I failed to utilize google ..."

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 1:28:38 PM UTC-6, Kiley Demond wrote:
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> Thank you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was 
> confused by the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 
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> Fictitious school drawn by Ronald Searle, featured in a couple of old 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was 
confused by the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 







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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Dorothy C]

Fictitious school drawn by Ronald Searle, featured in a couple of old British 
movies. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Trinian's_School

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

BBDD, I got in on the presale for my former spouse. I posted a WTB for a 45 
that never made it to the list, then finally decided to buy the 45 Clem-H that 
was in the garage sale section as a best alternative. I called and talked to 
Grant, who told me that it sold that morning. Sigh... But he told me that the 
presale email had just gone out (I hadn’t yet seen it) and I could get a new 
Clem L within a few weeks for my son’s mom. So I ordered her a 45 in sparkly 
green . She is very excited to be able to cruise around with our son this 
summer!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster PA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Patrick Moore]

Yeah, I knew this connection, but in 1964, we all at age 9 or 10, had no
idea of the connection; and we were hardly cherubic innocents. But I
daresay that at an all girls school -- St. Trinian's -- the connection
might well be fraught.

The Ronald Searle images, of course.

It was funny -- I remember it 55 years later -- how suddenly the nickname
went away when I chipped my incisor.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:33 AM Kiley Demond  wrote:

> I went to an all girls school founded in 1884 whose mascot is the beaver,
> as the animal embodiment of industriousness. That went sideways somewhere
> in the 1980s or 90s. I remember trying to use “what was your high school’s
> mascot?” as a security question and entering “beaver" and having the site
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> gleaming "Maxilary Central Incisors". The name stopped after I chipped the
> left one: 1964 or so, age 9, skateboards new, friend had one, placed it on
> the concrete driveway, thought it brilliant to run and do belly flop on
> board, overshot, true story. But I have no animus against beavers; they're
> rather interesting beasts ("beast" is a standard classification term),
> certainly more interesting than kittens and puppies.
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> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:31 AM EricP  wrote:
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>> nickname when being picked on. Since then have never liked the word.
>> Nothing against the animal, or the proposed bike. But the name alone would
>> be a no-go. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

I went to an all girls school founded in 1884 whose mascot is the beaver, as 
the animal embodiment of industriousness. That went sideways somewhere in the 
1980s or 90s. I remember trying to use “what was your high school’s mascot?” as 
a security question and entering “beaver" and having the site reject it as 
unacceptable. 












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> the concrete driveway, thought it brilliant to run and do belly flop on 
> board, overshot, true story. But I have no animus against beavers; they're 
> rather interesting beasts ("beast" is a standard classification term), 
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>> nickname when being picked on. Since then have never liked the word. Nothing 
>> against the animal, or the proposed bike. But the name alone would be a 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Patrick Moore]

My nickname until sometime in my 10 year was "Beaver" because of my big,
gleaming "Maxilary Central Incisors". The name stopped after I chipped the
left one: 1964 or so, age 9, skateboards new, friend had one, placed it on
the concrete driveway, thought it brilliant to run and do belly flop on
board, overshot, true story. But I have no animus against beavers; they're
rather interesting beasts ("beast" is a standard classification term),
certainly more interesting than kittens and puppies.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:31 AM EricP  wrote:

>  As for platypus - well, unfortunately, that was my elementary school
> nickname when being picked on. Since then have never liked the word.
> Nothing against the animal, or the proposed bike. But the name alone would
> be a no-go.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Kiley Demond]

I do not exactly when and how many are arriving. I am confident when they 
arrive my spidey-sense will get me there in time. I would get the blue for 
sure. My second, and really only other choice, is orange. I can’t recall a red 
Riv. My college bike was a red Raleigh and I got red because that was the only 
color available in my size at the LBS. My first car was a red Honda Civic and I 
got red because the only other color it came in was the only color I like less 
than red, black. So clearly, I will not be on red bandwagon. I’m actually quite 
fond of the blue and shall enjoy curating components while I wait! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Joe Bernard]

Ooh, a sparkly metallic red Clem L. I'd probably have to buy that! ❤️ 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Leah Peterson]

Kiley, what color are you hoping for? If you choose one from this batch which 
color strikes your fancy? Do you know how many frames-only  are for sale? Can 
they tell you if you have a good chance of scoring one when they’re released?

Also, a red Clem would be 😍🌹. You know, if anyone out there is listening...

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> On May 23, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
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> Zoinks! It's time! Before I put the money in for a 59 complete Clem L, which 
> I am shortening to CLem (the other being CHlem, where the 'h' is silent), 
> what say the spec nerds about the components this time around? I know the 
> tires are too narrow, so I will have to swap those out (and evidently take 
> the others along for the ride). On my Cheviot, I swapped out the cranks to 
> accommodate my absurdly long femurs. I think I will Leah-lighten it, so at 
> some point, it would make more sense for me to wait and buy just a frame. I 
> think I need to go through my components bin and see what I saved; I know I 
> sold most of them. 
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> Also, since Will said that there is already another Clem order in the works, 
> I asked the only possible question: what colors will they be? I haven't 
> heard, but if anyone else has... please share.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Leah Peterson]

You guys will do anything to get in our #RivSisterhood! 

Well, that blue is just the ticket. You can call it Leah Blue, Ryan, but Riv 
thought they were naming it for themselves. Ha! 

I call it: blue-green-shot-through-with-glimmer-like-sunlight-on-seawater. 
Because that’s what it is. 

My own lovely blue Clem is still in the shop where those shop guys are likely 
putting miles on it - and I can’t really begrudge them that. I rode the Big 
Blue H 9 miles this morning and had a really good time. Got the familiar spray 
of black dots all over my legs from those crumby brakes, but otherwise fun. 
Even with the stock wheels and Sunrace thumbies. 

If anyone else gets in on the presale, let us know so we can cheer for you here.

Clems are gems,
Leah

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> Oh dude, I already put the mainstream silver stuff on the custom. The whole 
> POINT of a blue Clem(entine) is to get red and orange hubs yo! 🕺💃
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[Anne Paulson]

Having a bike with a very low top tube, I can testify to one reason to
get the top tube right up there: frame bag space. I love my Surly
Krampus and appreciate the lower top tube, but still I envy the other
riders whose frame bags can hold more than a tube and some tools.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Wayne Naha  wrote:
> I like this line of thinking.  It does seem like like getting that top tube
> right up there is mostly for tradition.  My Clem is going to be a smaller
> than I would normally ride, so it looks like my seatpost and handlebars will
> be hiked up dork fashion.
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>> Conversely, this would put me on a 45cm with a low standover height. After
>> years of riding folders with the frame way down there, my creaky 53-year-old
>> body has completely lost the plot on towering toptubes. They're up there in
>> the way for no reason other than most nice bikes used to look that way. I'm
>> over it, and I think I would be very happy with a Clem.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[James Warren]

Who knows, because dorky has no clear definition. I think the bikes look 
awesome.


On Oct 1, 2015, at 5:59 PM, El Sapo wrote:

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> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems and 
> Clementines.  
> 
> Could they have made the bikes look any more dorky on the blog?
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Presale is over.

[James Warren]

Your plan is a good one!


On Aug 6, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Daniel D. wrote:

> congrats to the buyers.  I just couldn't pull the trigger but have a feeling 
> I may regret it.  Holding out for a Sam 
> 
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
> The Blug has announced that Riv has sold out their entire first run Clems and 
> Clementines.  They are sold out until 2016.  It looks like the 
> Clem/Clemintine experiment turned out fairly successfully for them.  There 
> must be a lot of new Clem and Clementine owners out there waiting anxiously 
> for late October!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

Here's a sneak peek of the Jones, w/ one 60mm Super Moto on a 45mm rim (yay, 
chubby bikes!): http://imgur.com/Iih7riE

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Garth]

The seatpost selection is very limited it seems , but of course it does 
come with one .  Likely a basic Kalloy Laprade or one of low end UNO models 
or similar generic post from Taiwan. 

Thomson ?  I checked all I could find and it seems the only one is a black 
zero setback.  Not available in silver or setback , albeit their setback is 
a mere 15mm .

The shim sounds alright, but looks goofy the way it cannot set flush with 
the seat lug , from the photo .  

All in all, if the stock post is not acceptable the shim is your only 
choice . That has it's own issue though, the seam in the shim, does it seal 
when it's in the frame ?  If not, for those who ride in the rain and/or 
sweat alot, it will let water in !  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

I suppose by "fast" I mean efficient; efficient in the sense of not being 
ground down and weary from riding harsh washboard for miles with tires that 
aren't really up to the task. I imagine riding rough roads will be far more 
enjoyable with huge tires run at low pressures, meaning I hope the bike will be 
fast and fun as a function of it being comfortable. Will definitely post a ride 
report!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Bill]

+1 on the Jones Plus.

What's the deal with all the "go fast" chatter?  Slow down and enjoy the ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Bill]

+1 on the Jones Plus.

What's the deal with all the "go fast" chatter?  Slow down and enjoy the ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Seriously... I've been Jonesin' for a Jones for a long time... Do share 
pics...

On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 3:07:41 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Please share pictures of the Jones when it arrives. I have 37mm tires on 
> the Quickbeam, and a 700c Big Apple road bike. The one Jones I rode for 
> about 10 minutes off-road was pretty phenomenal. 
>
> Philip 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

I will definitely post pictures and initial impressions compared to my Riv.

- Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Philip Williamson]

Please share pictures of the Jones when it arrives. I have 37mm tires on the 
Quickbeam, and a 700c Big Apple road bike. The one Jones I rode for about 10 
minutes off-road was pretty phenomenal.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Mike Shaljian]

As someone who's ridden a Sam for the past 3+ years and who's recently felt the 
uncontrollable urge to upgrade to a fatter-tired bike, I would say wait for the 
Clem. I have slowly crept up in tire size over the years, going from 28mm 
gatorskins back in the mid-2000's, to 33mm Supremes on my Quickbeam, to the 
38mm Barlow Pass on my Hillborne now. I now think of 38's as "skinnies" and the 
lower limit of what I would ride. Unfortunately, this about where the Sam maxes 
out (in combination with the lack of supple road tires in the 43-45mm range 
that it could handle). 

When I heard that the Clem will definitively be able to take a 60mm tire with 
fender, I was glad that Rivendell stepped it up to the next level of fat 
function. I am about to get a Jones Plus with 60mm Super Motos to start and I 
am quite sure that it will be significantly faster and funner than my Hillborne 
on all surfaces except smooth pavement, thanks to the 1.5X tires. I was about 
to say my love with Rivendell was coming to an end, due to the limitations of 
the Sam and the change in my preferences, but this is a cool jump to see. 

All that being said, I think the Sam is a great bike if you just want a 
reliable, pretty and fun road commuter/light tourer, but the bike is rather 
limited (for the cost) from my perspective. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Joe Bernard]

There's also this 51cm Sam which is discounted for a blemish. 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-127.htm

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

> Thanks, everyone for all your thoughts.  The reason I was vacillating 
> between the Clem and the Sam is primarily economic, being that they are 
> Riv's lowest cost models.  I could be very happy on either bicycle.  Right 
> now, I am riding a 1976 vintage Raleigh Gran Sport.  Its a fine bike.  It 
> is old school lugged steel, but I tend to baby it because of its age, and a 
> perceived need to keep it on smooth pavement.  It has 27" wheels, and those 
> don't come in a lot of widths anymore.  I am wanting something more 
> versatile, and new.  The thought of a discount Atlantis or Hunq sounds 
> great.  I love the look of the Appaloosa, with the diagatube, the curvy 
> stays, and the long rear triangle.  I would ride it mostly about town, 
> doing errands, and the occasional foray into the trails around here.   I 
> really don't have any real plans for s24o's, but when the opportunity comes 
> up, it will be great to have the bike that will handle it.  I think I've 
> talked myself into a Clem, but I'm open to suggestion.  I have been curious 
> about the 650B wheel size, just to try it and see.  The medium Clem (my 
> size) has those, a bonus.  But what about that 29.8 mm seatpost?  Who makes 
> that size?
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>>
>> I bought my Hillborne after seeing the first Clems but I did so because 
>> it was the right compliment to an MTB I already had.  It was a replacement 
>> for a Bianchi that maxed out at 25c tires.  The Hillborne is a pretty 
>> different bike than the Clem.  From initial reports, it sounds like the 
>> Clem is closer to a discount Atlantis or Hunq based on stoutness and a 
>> discount Appaloosa based on stability from longer stays.  The Hillborne is 
>> a bit tighter and less stout.  Closer to a Hilson than the Atlantis or 
>> Hunq.  That said, I just carried 4 bottles of wine in the front basket and 
>> two bottles in the saddlebag yesterday and, aside from a little shimmy, it 
>> was definitely up for the task.  I'd feel comfortable camping or touring 
>> with it (seems like many people do).  I've also found that everything I 
>> ride now that is not my Hillborne feels twitchy and overly aggressive.  The 
>> Sam H is incredibly smooth and handles beautifully but I've come to expect 
>> that from every Rivendell I ride.  If you want to ride fatter tires than a 
>> 45 (40 with fenders), get the Clem... and enjoy whatever level of 
>> components you want to put on it.  Take a look at the Clem Drew Beckmeyer 
>> gave to his girlfriend in the other post.  He described it as stout like a 
>> Hunq and it looks fantastic with the Brooks b67 and the Schwalbe Big Ben 
>> 50's (50+?) he has on it.  A machine to be proud of for sure (as is the 
>> Hillborne if you decide to go that way).
>>
>> If you are close enough to Riv to try both, that would be the thing to 
>> do.  If not, buy the one that supports what you want to do with a bike.  
>> They said the Clem rides like a Riv on the Blug and I believe them.  As for 
>> pedals, I love both my thin gripsters and my grip kings.  If I had a Clem, 
>> it would have one of those pedals on it (maybe even one of each!... That 
>> sounds very "Clem")
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>>> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of 
>>> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been 
>>> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate 
>>> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator 
>>> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of 
>>> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the 
>>> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I 
>>> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it 
>>> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on 
>>> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam? 
>>> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Joe Bernard]

While I agree with a the last couple posters that you may be taking it a 
little too easy on your Raleigh, you sound like a fellow who's ready for a 
shiny new Riv..it's just a matter of which one. The Clem is nice, and 
certainly affordable, but those 52 and 53 Appaloosas are raging deals and 
available now. If you love the look and have the cash, I wouldn't wait 
another day. 

Joe "just buy and ride" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

> Thanks, everyone for all your thoughts.  The reason I was vacillating 
> between the Clem and the Sam is primarily economic, being that they are 
> Riv's lowest cost models.  I could be very happy on either bicycle.  Right 
> now, I am riding a 1976 vintage Raleigh Gran Sport.  Its a fine bike.  It 
> is old school lugged steel, but I tend to baby it because of its age, and a 
> perceived need to keep it on smooth pavement.  It has 27" wheels, and those 
> don't come in a lot of widths anymore.  I am wanting something more 
> versatile, and new.  The thought of a discount Atlantis or Hunq sounds 
> great.  I love the look of the Appaloosa, with the diagatube, the curvy 
> stays, and the long rear triangle.  I would ride it mostly about town, 
> doing errands, and the occasional foray into the trails around here.   I 
> really don't have any real plans for s24o's, but when the opportunity comes 
> up, it will be great to have the bike that will handle it.  I think I've 
> talked myself into a Clem, but I'm open to suggestion.  I have been curious 
> about the 650B wheel size, just to try it and see.  The medium Clem (my 
> size) has those, a bonus.  But what about that 29.8 mm seatpost?  Who makes 
> that size?
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>>
>> I bought my Hillborne after seeing the first Clems but I did so because 
>> it was the right compliment to an MTB I already had.  It was a replacement 
>> for a Bianchi that maxed out at 25c tires.  The Hillborne is a pretty 
>> different bike than the Clem.  From initial reports, it sounds like the 
>> Clem is closer to a discount Atlantis or Hunq based on stoutness and a 
>> discount Appaloosa based on stability from longer stays.  The Hillborne is 
>> a bit tighter and less stout.  Closer to a Hilson than the Atlantis or 
>> Hunq.  That said, I just carried 4 bottles of wine in the front basket and 
>> two bottles in the saddlebag yesterday and, aside from a little shimmy, it 
>> was definitely up for the task.  I'd feel comfortable camping or touring 
>> with it (seems like many people do).  I've also found that everything I 
>> ride now that is not my Hillborne feels twitchy and overly aggressive.  The 
>> Sam H is incredibly smooth and handles beautifully but I've come to expect 
>> that from every Rivendell I ride.  If you want to ride fatter tires than a 
>> 45 (40 with fenders), get the Clem... and enjoy whatever level of 
>> components you want to put on it.  Take a look at the Clem Drew Beckmeyer 
>> gave to his girlfriend in the other post.  He described it as stout like a 
>> Hunq and it looks fantastic with the Brooks b67 and the Schwalbe Big Ben 
>> 50's (50+?) he has on it.  A machine to be proud of for sure (as is the 
>> Hillborne if you decide to go that way).
>>
>> If you are close enough to Riv to try both, that would be the thing to 
>> do.  If not, buy the one that supports what you want to do with a bike.  
>> They said the Clem rides like a Riv on the Blug and I believe them.  As for 
>> pedals, I love both my thin gripsters and my grip kings.  If I had a Clem, 
>> it would have one of those pedals on it (maybe even one of each!... That 
>> sounds very "Clem")
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>>> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of 
>>> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been 
>>> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate 
>>> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator 
>>> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of 
>>> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the 
>>> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I 
>>> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it 
>>> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on 
>>> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam? 
>>> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Tom Harrop]

I guess you can get shims that will work from 27.2 mm to 29.8 mm, and a 
quick google turns up Kalloy and Thomson posts in 29.8 mm. I would still be 
interested to know why it's that size since it is not "natively compatible" 
with Nitto stuff.

On Tuesday, 10 March 2015 20:27:31 UTC+1, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
>  But what about that 29.8 mm seatpost?  Who makes that size?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Joe Broach]

Hi Wayne,

I'd hate to talk you out of a new Riv, but you're selling that Raleigh
short. IIRC, the Gran Sport had nice, butted tubing and a lovely fork, all
Reynolds 531. That's as good or better than anything you'd get in a new
production bike (most similar to something like a Hilsen or Rambouillet or
Roadeo in the Riv line-up, in terms of liveliness). The workmanship and
details like braze-ons will be better on a new Riv-spec'd bike, but the
Raleigh shouldn't be holding you back at this point.

How does your current bike fit? If fit is good (or could be with a bar/stem
change), I'd spring for a 700c wheelset, maybe with a dynamo hub if you
think you might want to try some night riding). Those bikes usually have
centerpull brakes and lots of room for fatter tires (700x35 at least, and
get good tires). Have a blast on it for a year or more, and then decide
what you'd want different in a second bike or replacement.

You say you want something more versatile and new. I say that Gran Sport is
a super-versatile bike and nothing like obsolete.

Best,
joe broach
pdx or

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> Thanks, everyone for all your thoughts.  The reason I was vacillating
> between the Clem and the Sam is primarily economic, being that they are
> Riv's lowest cost models.  I could be very happy on either bicycle.  Right
> now, I am riding a 1976 vintage Raleigh Gran Sport.  Its a fine bike.  It
> is old school lugged steel, but I tend to baby it because of its age, and a
> perceived need to keep it on smooth pavement.  It has 27" wheels, and those
> don't come in a lot of widths anymore.  I am wanting something more
> versatile, and new.  The thought of a discount Atlantis or Hunq sounds
> great.  I love the look of the Appaloosa, with the diagatube, the curvy
> stays, and the long rear triangle.  I would ride it mostly about town,
> doing errands, and the occasional foray into the trails around here.   I
> really don't have any real plans for s24o's, but when the opportunity comes
> up, it will be great to have the bike that will handle it.  I think I've
> talked myself into a Clem, but I'm open to suggestion.  I have been curious
> about the 650B wheel size, just to try it and see.  The medium Clem (my
> size) has those, a bonus.  But what about that 29.8 mm seatpost?  Who makes
> that size?
>
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>>
>> I bought my Hillborne after seeing the first Clems but I did so because
>> it was the right compliment to an MTB I already had.  It was a replacement
>> for a Bianchi that maxed out at 25c tires.  The Hillborne is a pretty
>> different bike than the Clem.  From initial reports, it sounds like the
>> Clem is closer to a discount Atlantis or Hunq based on stoutness and a
>> discount Appaloosa based on stability from longer stays.  The Hillborne is
>> a bit tighter and less stout.  Closer to a Hilson than the Atlantis or
>> Hunq.  That said, I just carried 4 bottles of wine in the front basket and
>> two bottles in the saddlebag yesterday and, aside from a little shimmy, it
>> was definitely up for the task.  I'd feel comfortable camping or touring
>> with it (seems like many people do).  I've also found that everything I
>> ride now that is not my Hillborne feels twitchy and overly aggressive.  The
>> Sam H is incredibly smooth and handles beautifully but I've come to expect
>> that from every Rivendell I ride.  If you want to ride fatter tires than a
>> 45 (40 with fenders), get the Clem... and enjoy whatever level of
>> components you want to put on it.  Take a look at the Clem Drew Beckmeyer
>> gave to his girlfriend in the other post.  He described it as stout like a
>> Hunq and it looks fantastic with the Brooks b67 and the Schwalbe Big Ben
>> 50's (50+?) he has on it.  A machine to be proud of for sure (as is the
>> Hillborne if you decide to go that way).
>>
>> If you are close enough to Riv to try both, that would be the thing to
>> do.  If not, buy the one that supports what you want to do with a bike.
>> They said the Clem rides like a Riv on the Blug and I believe them.  As for
>> pedals, I love both my thin gripsters and my grip kings.  If I had a Clem,
>> it would have one of those pedals on it (maybe even one of each!... That
>> sounds very "Clem")
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>>> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of
>>> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been
>>> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate
>>> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator
>>> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of
>>> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the
>>> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I
>>> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the pretti

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Wayne Naha]

Thanks, everyone for all your thoughts.  The reason I was vacillating 
between the Clem and the Sam is primarily economic, being that they are 
Riv's lowest cost models.  I could be very happy on either bicycle.  Right 
now, I am riding a 1976 vintage Raleigh Gran Sport.  Its a fine bike.  It 
is old school lugged steel, but I tend to baby it because of its age, and a 
perceived need to keep it on smooth pavement.  It has 27" wheels, and those 
don't come in a lot of widths anymore.  I am wanting something more 
versatile, and new.  The thought of a discount Atlantis or Hunq sounds 
great.  I love the look of the Appaloosa, with the diagatube, the curvy 
stays, and the long rear triangle.  I would ride it mostly about town, 
doing errands, and the occasional foray into the trails around here.   I 
really don't have any real plans for s24o's, but when the opportunity comes 
up, it will be great to have the bike that will handle it.  I think I've 
talked myself into a Clem, but I'm open to suggestion.  I have been curious 
about the 650B wheel size, just to try it and see.  The medium Clem (my 
size) has those, a bonus.  But what about that 29.8 mm seatpost?  Who makes 
that size?

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>
> I bought my Hillborne after seeing the first Clems but I did so because it 
> was the right compliment to an MTB I already had.  It was a replacement for 
> a Bianchi that maxed out at 25c tires.  The Hillborne is a pretty different 
> bike than the Clem.  From initial reports, it sounds like the Clem is 
> closer to a discount Atlantis or Hunq based on stoutness and a discount 
> Appaloosa based on stability from longer stays.  The Hillborne is a bit 
> tighter and less stout.  Closer to a Hilson than the Atlantis or Hunq. 
>  That said, I just carried 4 bottles of wine in the front basket and two 
> bottles in the saddlebag yesterday and, aside from a little shimmy, it was 
> definitely up for the task.  I'd feel comfortable camping or touring with 
> it (seems like many people do).  I've also found that everything I ride now 
> that is not my Hillborne feels twitchy and overly aggressive.  The Sam H is 
> incredibly smooth and handles beautifully but I've come to expect that from 
> every Rivendell I ride.  If you want to ride fatter tires than a 45 (40 
> with fenders), get the Clem... and enjoy whatever level of components you 
> want to put on it.  Take a look at the Clem Drew Beckmeyer gave to his 
> girlfriend in the other post.  He described it as stout like a Hunq and it 
> looks fantastic with the Brooks b67 and the Schwalbe Big Ben 50's (50+?) he 
> has on it.  A machine to be proud of for sure (as is the Hillborne if you 
> decide to go that way).
>
> If you are close enough to Riv to try both, that would be the thing to 
> do.  If not, buy the one that supports what you want to do with a bike.  
> They said the Clem rides like a Riv on the Blug and I believe them.  As for 
> pedals, I love both my thin gripsters and my grip kings.  If I had a Clem, 
> it would have one of those pedals on it (maybe even one of each!... That 
> sounds very "Clem")
>
> John
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
>> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of 
>> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been 
>> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate 
>> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator 
>> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of 
>> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the 
>> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I 
>> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it 
>> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on 
>> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam? 
>> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Joe Bernard]

I think one thing Riv is trying to promote with the Clem idea - the site 
has had a special Clem Parts section for a while now - is the concept of 
"nice parts are nice, but good enough parts have a funky kind of style that 
is unique to them". If you're old enough to have participated in the Bike 
Boom, you're old enough to remember getting your first 10-speed and having 
no idea what the parts were. You put air in the tires and sat on the saddle 
and shifted the shifters and pulled on the brake levers. What you had was a 
bike, and you rode it. 

I see the Clem/Clementine with a Pletscher "mouse trap" rack and Altus 
derailer as a throwback to this idea of "just a bike" for "just riding". It 
also confronts a rather annoying reputation Riv has for selling expensive 
stuff..a rep I consider ridiculous, but I've heard it enough times to know 
Grant has, too. Now you can get a lower cost Riv frame with 
lower-cost/funky parts and go for a slightly different vibe than what we 
normally associate with Rivbikes. Or go* completely* insane and Ebay one 
out with old Campy OR mtb parts. I like that idea! ;)

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 1:39:43 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

> When I read Rivendell's description of equipping the Clem, what I hear is 
> "don't be afraid to go economical parts on this bike.  It can get away 
> with cheap stuff as well as bling."  Sounds like another dimension in 
> versatility.  This bike won't look out of place with a $20 aluminum rack 
> but you can still put a Nitto on if that's your choice.  I don't think 
> they're pushing cheap parts, just suggesting that as one option.  Heck, you 
> could build one up out of crap laying around the garage & then upgrade over 
> time, if you didn't have the cash or want to go lux to start. 
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of 
>> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been 
>> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate 
>> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator 
>> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of 
>> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the 
>> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I 
>> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it 
>> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on 
>> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam? 
>> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[dougP]

When I read Rivendell's description of equipping the Clem, what I hear is 
"don't be afraid to go economical parts on this bike.  It can get away 
with cheap stuff as well as bling."  Sounds like another dimension in 
versatility.  This bike won't look out of place with a $20 aluminum rack 
but you can still put a Nitto on if that's your choice.  I don't think 
they're pushing cheap parts, just suggesting that as one option.  Heck, you 
could build one up out of crap laying around the garage & then upgrade over 
time, if you didn't have the cash or want to go lux to start. 

dougP

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of 
> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been 
> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate 
> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator 
> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of 
> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the 
> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I 
> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it 
> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on 
> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam? 
> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Surlyprof]

I bought my Hillborne after seeing the first Clems but I did so because it 
was the right compliment to an MTB I already had.  It was a replacement for 
a Bianchi that maxed out at 25c tires.  The Hillborne is a pretty different 
bike than the Clem.  From initial reports, it sounds like the Clem is 
closer to a discount Atlantis or Hunq based on stoutness and a discount 
Appaloosa based on stability from longer stays.  The Hillborne is a bit 
tighter and less stout.  Closer to a Hilson than the Atlantis or Hunq. 
 That said, I just carried 4 bottles of wine in the front basket and two 
bottles in the saddlebag yesterday and, aside from a little shimmy, it was 
definitely up for the task.  I'd feel comfortable camping or touring with 
it (seems like many people do).  I've also found that everything I ride now 
that is not my Hillborne feels twitchy and overly aggressive.  The Sam H is 
incredibly smooth and handles beautifully but I've come to expect that from 
every Rivendell I ride.  If you want to ride fatter tires than a 45 (40 
with fenders), get the Clem... and enjoy whatever level of components you 
want to put on it.  Take a look at the Clem Drew Beckmeyer gave to his 
girlfriend in the other post.  He described it as stout like a Hunq and it 
looks fantastic with the Brooks b67 and the Schwalbe Big Ben 50's (50+?) he 
has on it.  A machine to be proud of for sure (as is the Hillborne if you 
decide to go that way).

If you are close enough to Riv to try both, that would be the thing to do.  
If not, buy the one that supports what you want to do with a bike.  They 
said the Clem rides like a Riv on the Blug and I believe them.  As for 
pedals, I love both my thin gripsters and my grip kings.  If I had a Clem, 
it would have one of those pedals on it (maybe even one of each!... That 
sounds very "Clem")

John

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of 
> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been 
> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate 
> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator 
> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of 
> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the 
> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I 
> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it 
> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on 
> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam? 
> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Joe Bernard]

It's a nice frame purchased for more than many complete bicycles. I understand 
Riv's marketing direction for it, but most people are going to hang nice 
not-the-cheapest parts on there. If I get one it'll get the same Brooks saddle 
as all my other bikes 'cause that's all I can ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Tony DeFilippo]

The Clementine I'm building up for my wife will not be a 'beater'.  It'll
be her primary town bike and off road bike as required.  I expect to build
it out with existing parts including dyno lighting, some paul components,
brooks saddle, nitto stuff... typical riv inspired build.  If the bike
handles as expected I think it'll be her favorite, most used bike.  So if
you go higher end on your build you definitely won't be the only one.

Tony


On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of
> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been
> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate
> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator
> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of
> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the
> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I
> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it
> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on
> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam?
> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Wayne Naha]

The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of stoutness to 
the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been considering a Sam, but 
Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate hanging plastic pedals off 
it, and I would really like to have a generator hub, too.  But it seems like 
the idea that the Clem is some kind of 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is 
being promoted.  But this would the most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 
'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I want to be proud of this bike, even if it is 
not the prettiest.  Is it silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, 
and aBrooks saddle on the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam?
Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Tony DeFilippo]

It sounds kind of bad when you say it... counting other folks bike
transactions shouldn't be allowed!  :)

To be fair the Saluki has been out of commission since August, the rSOGN
was bought and sold w/in a month and Tom's blue Bombadil was just too good
a deal to pass up! Maybe the rest of 2015 will be a net 0 bike acquisition
year...  Probably a good idea once the Saluki is back on the road.  That
duo should handle anything I plan to throw at it.

My wife is excited about the new bike, thanks for the nudge!

Tony



On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> PSA, the sizing note from the BLUG applies to the Clem not the
>> Clementine... I had a conversation w/ Riv just now about the right size for
>> my 5' 5" wife and was directed to the 52cm, 650B Clementine.  In a related
>> note, this list is a bad influence and I'm officially in the presale... :)
>>
>> It'll replace a 1970's Motobecane Mirage mixte and  Bstone MB-3 she has
>> currently. It's going to be in Orange of course and just about all the
>> parts I need are on one of the two predecessor frames.  My desire for one
>> wheel size in the garage is starting to shape up... Bomba, Saluki,
>> Clementine.
>>
>>
> Well..  I didn't mean to be so persuasive.  I mostly meant to give you a
> little good-natured ribbing about buying THREE -  count 'em - 650b,
> rough-stuff all-rounders (Saluki, dSogn, Bombadil) all for yourself, in a
> single year, while your wife is still riding antiques and while saying
> you were reluctant to buy her anything "redundant!"  I'd say "sorry," if I
> thought it was a mistake, but I think you'll be glad.   Congratulations,
> and good call!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Deacon Patrick]

Presumably with the pre-sale that $1400 drops to 1,250 not counting the 
saddle.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Bill Lindsay]

*$850 or so for the frameset, $1400 or so not counting the saddle complete*

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 4:04:41 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> The Clem is the bike my son needs, now that I know it'll fit 6'4". 
> Trouble is, he needs it now, not a year from now. 
>
> What is the price supposed to be for a built-up Clem, again? 
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote: 
> > It will definitely fit.  $700 is incredible.  It's going to be a great 
> bike. 
> > It is more of a trust Riv sort of thing.  Talk to Keven about it, but 
> I'm 
> > certain it will fit you. 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 4:56:49 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Someone convince me that the large Clem will fit me. I ride a 65cm 
> >> Redwood, the large Clem is a 59cm. After debating about what new bike 
> I'd 
> >> like, I want something based around an Albatross bar. Seems like the 
> Clem is 
> >> the thing, if it will be big enough. I'll give Riv a call tomorrow, but 
> just 
> >> churning ideas around this evening. 
> >> Are there specs posted anywhere? Or is it more of a just-trust-Riv 
> sorta 
> >> thing? 
> >> David 
> >> Chicago 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Anne Paulson]

The Clem is the bike my son needs, now that I know it'll fit 6'4".
Trouble is, he needs it now, not a year from now.

What is the price supposed to be for a built-up Clem, again?

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> It will definitely fit.  $700 is incredible.  It's going to be a great bike.
> It is more of a trust Riv sort of thing.  Talk to Keven about it, but I'm
> certain it will fit you.
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 4:56:49 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Someone convince me that the large Clem will fit me. I ride a 65cm
>> Redwood, the large Clem is a 59cm. After debating about what new bike I'd
>> like, I want something based around an Albatross bar. Seems like the Clem is
>> the thing, if it will be big enough. I'll give Riv a call tomorrow, but just
>> churning ideas around this evening.
>> Are there specs posted anywhere? Or is it more of a just-trust-Riv sorta
>> thing?
>> David
>> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Tony DeFilippo]

I just showed her the bike online and she's a fan...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[DS]

You guys have too many Rivendells. I have some catching up to do. Who wants 
to trade a Rodeo for my Gunnar? I'll let you throw in an Atlantis and AHH 
in too if you're lucky. That'll put me up to 5. :)

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 6:45:10 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Counting the Clementine (which, as Deacon Patrick points out, isn’t even 
> built yet, and which isn’t destined for me, anyway), and with the departure 
> of the Bleriot and Blue Bomba, I have seven:  a 56cm Bombadil, a 61cm 
> Atlantis, a 61cm Homer, a 60cm Quickbeam, and my Mystery Bike built, and a 
> 59cm (I think) Wilbury f/f.
>
>  
>
> And I sorely wish the weather would change so I could get out on them!
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:55 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.
>
>  
>  
> My wife has a 52cm Yves Gomez
> I have a 58cm Hilsen
> 56cm Bomba
> 56cm Hillborne
> 58cm Atlantis
>
> So 5 Rivendells currently present in my garage 
>
> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 8:06:38 PM UTC-8, drew beckmeyer wrote:
>
> Does this put you at 7, Deacon?  Who is the current keeper of the largest 
> fleet?
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RE: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Counting the Clementine (which, as Deacon Patrick points out, isn’t even built 
yet, and which isn’t destined for me, anyway), and with the departure of the 
Bleriot and Blue Bomba, I have seven:  a 56cm Bombadil, a 61cm Atlantis, a 61cm 
Homer, a 60cm Quickbeam, and my Mystery Bike built, and a 59cm (I think) 
Wilbury f/f.

And I sorely wish the weather would change so I could get out on them!

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

My wife has a 52cm Yves Gomez
I have a 58cm Hilsen
56cm Bomba
56cm Hillborne
58cm Atlantis

So 5 Rivendells currently present in my garage

On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 8:06:38 PM UTC-8, drew beckmeyer wrote:
Does this put you at 7, Deacon?  Who is the current keeper of the largest fleet?
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RE: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I had been trying to “simplify my files” with the sale of my Bleriot f/f to 
listmember Thomas McCause and Blue Bomba f/f to listmember Tony DeFillippo, but 
the Clementine was too good to pass up, so now I’m (at least temporarily) 
heading in the wrong direction.  “Wrong”, of course, being in the eye of the 
beholder.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale.

Don't count our family seven yet. They aren't even made yet. Grin. Then, I 
still have to build them. And then two will be in "foal" status in the stable, 
awaiting the maturation of their future rider. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick


So 5 Rivendells currently present in my garage

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