Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Mike Schiller]

I think it depends on where you run your bars in normal drops.  I like mine 
a few cm below the saddle and my dirt drops hook position about the same.   
 When descending rough stuff I like to be stretched out and low, keeping 
the COG as low as possible.  With the new Cowchippers that have the hoods 
more like regular drops I might run the hoods level with the saddle and the 
drops where they fall.  

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:44:03 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Of the three pictured, Mark R's is the most viable, as the bars are up 
> high enough for singletrack. 
> IMHO drop bar MTB only works if the drop position is at saddle height. 
> Otherwise you're way stretched out and low, which is not good at all 
> for technical downhill singletrack. 
> More than fine for fire roads, but doesn't cut it for singletrack. 
> Moustache bars work great for that BTW, and are much easier to set at 
> seat height. 
> Here's my drop bar 29er: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/20193159021 
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote: 
> > Hunqapillar, Thunder Burts, Albastache. Big grin. 
> > 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/17188072456/in/album-72157652014701796/
>  
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
> > 
> > On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:05:19 PM UTC-6, brianweee wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Is anyone using their Rivendell Hunqapillar as a dirt drop mountain 
> bike? 
> >> or monster cross bike style? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Patrick Moore]

Mike: I'd love to see profile photos of your road and dirt bikes with low
bars. Pretty please?

Thanks.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Mike Schiller 
wrote:

> I think it depends on where you run your bars in normal drops.  I like
> mine a few cm below the saddle and my dirt drops hook position about the
> same.When descending rough stuff I like to be stretched out and low,
> keeping the COG as low as possible.  With the new Cowchippers that have the
> hoods more like regular drops I might run the hoods level with the saddle
> and the drops where they fall.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:44:03 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Of the three pictured, Mark R's is the most viable, as the bars are up
>> high enough for singletrack.
>> IMHO drop bar MTB only works if the drop position is at saddle height.
>> Otherwise you're way stretched out and low, which is not good at all
>> for technical downhill singletrack.
>> More than fine for fire roads, but doesn't cut it for singletrack.
>> Moustache bars work great for that BTW, and are much easier to set at
>> seat height.
>> Here's my drop bar 29er:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/20193159021
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Deacon Patrick 
>> wrote:
>> > Hunqapillar, Thunder Burts, Albastache. Big grin.
>> >
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/17188072456/in/album-72157652014701796/
>> >
>> > With abandon,
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:05:19 PM UTC-6, brianweee wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone using their Rivendell Hunqapillar as a dirt drop mountain
>> bike?
>> >> or monster cross bike style?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Clayton.sf]

Bar height has nothing to do with this. If you are in the drops which is where 
you mostly ride on a drop bar Mtb your teeth are closer to the stem no matter 
the bar height. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Patrick Moore]

Not if you position the bar high, above the saddle.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Drop bars on an mtb will always out your teeth closer to the stem than
> riser, jones, or flat bars. Be aware of this and dress accordingly.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Patrick Moore]

True; I was thinking of my Maes Parallels, where off road I generally ride
on the ramps or hoods.

OTOH, there is no grip more secure, off road or on, than in the hooks (I've
tried half a dozen different "off road drop bars" though I didn't like
them). I don't think that one need worry about his teeth.

Patrick Moore, mtbs since 1989, drop bars off road since 2000.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Bar height has nothing to do with this. If you are in the drops which is
> where you mostly ride on a drop bar Mtb your teeth are closer to the stem
> no matter the bar height.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Patrick Moore]

A related aside: I love drops (again, after a long journey, I've settled on
the Maes Parallel) for dirt, but OTOH, I've come full circle and now
dislike drops for singletrack, largely because "normal" drops put the brake
levers too far away, and "dirt" drops are uncomfortable, for me.

(I also *think* I'll like 26" wheels for technical stuff, tho' a 3" 26"
Knard might be the parrot's toothpaste. We'll see, as I have just traded
resume and LI work for a rather nice 1996 Bontrager Race Lite. Isn't a Race
Lite "rivendell-sh"?)

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> True; I was thinking of my Maes Parallels, where off road I generally ride
> on the ramps or hoods.
>
> OTOH, there is no grip more secure, off road or on, than in the hooks
> (I've tried half a dozen different "off road drop bars" though I didn't
> like them). I don't think that one need worry about his teeth.
>
> Patrick Moore, mtbs since 1989, drop bars off road since 2000.
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>
>> Bar height has nothing to do with this. If you are in the drops which is
>> where you mostly ride on a drop bar Mtb your teeth are closer to the stem
>> no matter the bar height.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Clayton.sf]

Not sure what ebb the gryphon uses, but I too used to be wary of ebbs. However, 
the bushnell ebb on my Jones has been trouble free with not a single creak or 
slip for almost 3 years now. I would buy another in a heartbeat. Ebb are easier 
than track ends with disc brakes and allow to adjust a little for ground 
clearance too. Still think that sliding dropouts like paragon or blackcat are 
better, but the bushnell ebb has been flawless so far.

Clayton Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Clayton.sf]

Agree on those surly ends. The worst! 
Though Eno hub with disc brakes ends up being a royal pain the a$$ too when you 
need to reinstall the rear wheel trailside and it limits me to only one hub for 
SS. Now that is really silly unless you don't care about SS. Ebb or sliders are 
the only clean solution for SS and disc brakes IMO. 

Clayton Scott (who is impressed with the AB black chainring on his ss mtb)
SF, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[cyclotourist]

The Gryphon is pretty good. I think it's fully designed to be a drop-bar
MTB. Not a heavy tourer like a Fargo or AWOL. They're relatively
inexpensive, well built and versatile. A little too versatile for me
actually. I'd prefer not to have an eccentric BB, and the cable guides are
bolt on ones rather than fixed. Like many Surly bikes, it tries to be all
things to all people.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:25 AM, brianweee  wrote:

> Thanks for your suggestion! I started looking into the Singular Gryphon.
> That bike might be a little bit more what I'm looking for (less touring,
> more adventure day riding). I saw that it is sold out on their website,
> where can one get a hold of a size large of one of those?
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Tony replied while I was still typing away. Notice his bar height though.
>> That's important if you're going to be riding off road.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Bombadil, Nobby Nic's, Nitto Dirt Drops... also big grin!
>>>
>>> (need to repair/replace the rear wheel after finding stress cracks near
>>> the spoke holes though)
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel like I've read that the Hunq was designed with Bosco style
>>> upright bars in mind but the hallmark of most Riv frames is their ability
>>> to be re-imagined.  So long as you can work out the cockpit-saddle formula
>>> right a Hunq should do awesome as a drop bar-fat tired bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[cyclotourist]

Well I hate, hate, HATE the track ends that Surly uses! The EBB isn't
that bad, doesn't really creak or slip. I just think it's unnecessary
added complexity. If someone wants to ride SS, they can get a White
Ind ENO hub. Why make me have to have an EBB to accommodate them.
First world problems.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
> Not sure what ebb the gryphon uses, but I too used to be wary of ebbs. 
> However, the bushnell ebb on my Jones has been trouble free with not a single 
> creak or slip for almost 3 years now. I would buy another in a heartbeat. Ebb 
> are easier than track ends with disc brakes and allow to adjust a little for 
> ground clearance too. Still think that sliding dropouts like paragon or 
> blackcat are better, but the bushnell ebb has been flawless so far.
>
> Clayton Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[brianweee]

Thanks for your suggestion! I started looking into the Singular Gryphon. 
That bike might be a little bit more what I'm looking for (less touring, 
more adventure day riding). I saw that it is sold out on their website, 
where can one get a hold of a size large of one of those? 


On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Tony replied while I was still typing away. Notice his bar height though. 
> That's important if you're going to be riding off road.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Tony DeFilippo  > wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Bombadil, Nobby Nic's, Nitto Dirt Drops... also big grin!
>>
>> (need to repair/replace the rear wheel after finding stress cracks near 
>> the spoke holes though)
>>
>>
>> I feel like I've read that the Hunq was designed with Bosco style upright 
>> bars in mind but the hallmark of most Riv frames is their ability to be 
>> re-imagined.  So long as you can work out the cockpit-saddle formula right 
>> a Hunq should do awesome as a drop bar-fat tired bike.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Eric Daume]

If you're looking for a largish monstercross style bike, I have to put in a
shameless plug for my Velo Orange Camargue frameset for sale:

http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html

Designed for drop bars, single speed or geared, clearance for 2.25" tires,
and a 350mm steerer lets you put the bars wherever you want them. It's
sized about like the large Gryphon.

Eric

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:25 AM, brianweee  wrote:

> Thanks for your suggestion! I started looking into the Singular Gryphon.
> That bike might be a little bit more what I'm looking for (less touring,
> more adventure day riding). I saw that it is sold out on their website,
> where can one get a hold of a size large of one of those?
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Tony replied while I was still typing away. Notice his bar height though.
>> That's important if you're going to be riding off road.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Bombadil, Nobby Nic's, Nitto Dirt Drops... also big grin!
>>>
>>> (need to repair/replace the rear wheel after finding stress cracks near
>>> the spoke holes though)
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel like I've read that the Hunq was designed with Bosco style
>>> upright bars in mind but the hallmark of most Riv frames is their ability
>>> to be re-imagined.  So long as you can work out the cockpit-saddle formula
>>> right a Hunq should do awesome as a drop bar-fat tired bike.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Addison Wilhite]

I tend to use my Jamis Dragon for technical dirt riding but I have used my
Rivendell Allrounder for a lot of dirt over the years.  Below is a post
that shows a bunch of different configurations of the model (that's the
beauty of an AR obviously) but if you scroll through you will see some of
the knobby fat tire photos are interspersed.

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html

Best,


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Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

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Blogger: Reno Rambler 

Vice Chair: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory
Committee 


On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> Ah, that's my bike! I love riding my Atlantis on single track. Though two
> comments - the long touring frame geometry makes the bike a bit slow to
> turn, at least compared to a modern mountain bike. Not a big deal at all
> though, but notable. The bigger issue I've had is pedal strike. The BB is
> pretty low so I'm clipping them on rocks, scraping weeds, etc. Also on the
> 58cm frame with big fat tires there is a bit of toe overlap.
>
> All in all it's awesome though
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 6:01:33 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> If you're looking for a largish monstercross style bike, I have to put in
>> a shameless plug for my Velo Orange Camargue frameset for sale:
>>
>> http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html
>>
>> Designed for drop bars, single speed or geared, clearance for 2.25"
>> tires, and a 350mm steerer lets you put the bars wherever you want them.
>> It's sized about like the large Gryphon.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:25 AM, brianweee  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your suggestion! I started looking into the Singular Gryphon.
>>> That bike might be a little bit more what I'm looking for (less touring,
>>> more adventure day riding). I saw that it is sold out on their website,
>>> where can one get a hold of a size large of one of those?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:

 Tony replied while I was still typing away. Notice his bar height
 though. That's important if you're going to be riding off road.

 On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Tony DeFilippo 
 wrote:

>
> 
>
> Bombadil, Nobby Nic's, Nitto Dirt Drops... also big grin!
>
> (need to repair/replace the rear wheel after finding stress cracks
> near the spoke holes though)
>
>
> I feel like I've read that the Hunq was designed with Bosco style
> upright bars in mind but the hallmark of most Riv frames is their ability
> to be re-imagined.  So long as you can work out the cockpit-saddle formula
> right a Hunq should do awesome as a drop bar-fat tired bike.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Mark Reimer]

Ah, that's my bike! I love riding my Atlantis on single track. Though two 
comments - the long touring frame geometry makes the bike a bit slow to 
turn, at least compared to a modern mountain bike. Not a big deal at all 
though, but notable. The bigger issue I've had is pedal strike. The BB is 
pretty low so I'm clipping them on rocks, scraping weeds, etc. Also on the 
58cm frame with big fat tires there is a bit of toe overlap. 

All in all it's awesome though

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 6:01:33 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> If you're looking for a largish monstercross style bike, I have to put in 
> a shameless plug for my Velo Orange Camargue frameset for sale:
>
> http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html
>
> Designed for drop bars, single speed or geared, clearance for 2.25" tires, 
> and a 350mm steerer lets you put the bars wherever you want them. It's 
> sized about like the large Gryphon.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:25 AM, brianweee  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your suggestion! I started looking into the Singular Gryphon. 
>> That bike might be a little bit more what I'm looking for (less touring, 
>> more adventure day riding). I saw that it is sold out on their website, 
>> where can one get a hold of a size large of one of those? 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tony replied while I was still typing away. Notice his bar height 
>>> though. That's important if you're going to be riding off road.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Tony DeFilippo  
>>> wrote:
>>>

 

 Bombadil, Nobby Nic's, Nitto Dirt Drops... also big grin!

 (need to repair/replace the rear wheel after finding stress cracks near 
 the spoke holes though)


 I feel like I've read that the Hunq was designed with Bosco style 
 upright bars in mind but the hallmark of most Riv frames is their ability 
 to be re-imagined.  So long as you can work out the cockpit-saddle formula 
 right a Hunq should do awesome as a drop bar-fat tired bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[brianweee]

@clayton So true. I'm not sure what my main draw is to the drop bars. I 
think getting low enough on the road, and on climbs is the main reason. On 
my full suspension mtb, it's all about downhill. I think I like the idea of 
my a drop bar mountain bike that is made for climbing, road descending, and 
less optimized for gnarly descents? 50-70 mile rides with 30-40 miles of 
dirt/singletrack with 5-7k climbing is what i'm trying to optimize for. 

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:51:24 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Drop bars on an mtb will always out your teeth closer to the stem than 
> riser, jones, or flat bars. Be aware of this and dress accordingly. 
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Clayton.sf]

Look at a Jones with Jones bar. Allows you to go aero but scoot back when 
it matters.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA



On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 3:15:41 PM UTC-7, brianweee wrote:
>
> @clayton So true. I'm not sure what my main draw is to the drop bars. I 
> think getting low enough on the road, and on climbs is the main reason. On 
> my full suspension mtb, it's all about downhill. I think I like the idea of 
> my a drop bar mountain bike that is made for climbing, road descending, and 
> less optimized for gnarly descents? 50-70 mile rides with 30-40 miles of 
> dirt/singletrack with 5-7k climbing is what i'm trying to optimize for. 
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:51:24 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>>
>> Drop bars on an mtb will always out your teeth closer to the stem than 
>> riser, jones, or flat bars. Be aware of this and dress accordingly. 
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> SF, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[cyclotourist]

Of the three pictured, Mark R's is the most viable, as the bars are up
high enough for singletrack.
IMHO drop bar MTB only works if the drop position is at saddle height.
Otherwise you're way stretched out and low, which is not good at all
for technical downhill singletrack.
More than fine for fire roads, but doesn't cut it for singletrack.
Moustache bars work great for that BTW, and are much easier to set at
seat height.
Here's my drop bar 29er: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/20193159021

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Hunqapillar, Thunder Burts, Albastache. Big grin.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/17188072456/in/album-72157652014701796/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:05:19 PM UTC-6, brianweee wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone using their Rivendell Hunqapillar as a dirt drop mountain bike?
>> or monster cross bike style?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[Clayton.sf]

Drop bars on an mtb will always out your teeth closer to the stem than riser, 
jones, or flat bars. Be aware of this and dress accordingly. 

Clayton Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar (or other riv) as a dirt drop mountain bike?

[cyclotourist]

Tony replied while I was still typing away. Notice his bar height though.
That's important if you're going to be riding off road.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

>
> 
>
> Bombadil, Nobby Nic's, Nitto Dirt Drops... also big grin!
>
> (need to repair/replace the rear wheel after finding stress cracks near
> the spoke holes though)
>
>
> I feel like I've read that the Hunq was designed with Bosco style upright
> bars in mind but the hallmark of most Riv frames is their ability to be
> re-imagined.  So long as you can work out the cockpit-saddle formula right
> a Hunq should do awesome as a drop bar-fat tired bike.
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