Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Deac, by definition a child can't be childish - only an adult can be. A child's wants are innocent - that's how your father looks at your bicycles. Teaching personal sacrifice to a child at Christmas time is the opposite of the gift message. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:58:53 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: I'm not sure how to respond to this question, Ron. Is it a serious question? How did you arrive at it based on anything I've written? The simple answer is No. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:46:48 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: Deac, doesn't your father lavish you with $3000 bicycles? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
har har har On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, John Phillips jphillip...@icloud.com wrote: Ooops, did I sign into the Mordor Bicycle Owners Group by mistake? Are some people seriously choosing an adult toy forum to preach against materialism? Seriously?? Oh, duh! I get it, you were being ironic!!! Silly me! Happy Holidays everyone, John Phillips -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Mass is something we can all agree we care about, especially if it's measured in Grams. On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Lots of good stuff here to respond to, but it falls outside the scope of this group (even for me, and that's saying something!). Grin. So rather than delve into theology, I'll bow out. May God startle you with the joy of Christ's Mass! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
ebay bike parts scalper, who has Riv water bottles listed for $100. Teach your kids to suck it up? Merry Christmas. They'll have plenty of chances to learn that on their own. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:09:30 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:33 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Deac, doesn't your father lavish you with $3000 bicycles? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
I'm not sure how to respond to this question, Ron. Is it a serious question? How did you arrive at it based on anything I've written? The simple answer is No. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:46:48 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: Deac, doesn't your father lavish you with $3000 bicycles? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Everyone in my family knows that PB stands for Princess Bubblegum! On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:09:30 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:33 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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its shopkins this year. I have an 8 year old girl and its all they want. Retail is 5 bucks for a 5 pack of these little rubber toys, last I saw the 5 packs were going for 25 bucks most places because they are sold everywhere. Law of supply and demand, although yeah crappy that some kids wont get what they want because parents cant afford 5x retail. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how much beanie babies are going for now? The sad part is some children will not get their Christmas wish because grown-ups are absconding and scalping the toys. On Monday, December 15, 2014 2:11:22 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: http://www.cnet.com/news/buy-in-store-sell-online-at-a-fat- profit-its-happy-holidays-for-arbitragers/ He's far from the only one. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
sold out I should say. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: its shopkins this year. I have an 8 year old girl and its all they want. Retail is 5 bucks for a 5 pack of these little rubber toys, last I saw the 5 packs were going for 25 bucks most places because they are sold everywhere. Law of supply and demand, although yeah crappy that some kids wont get what they want because parents cant afford 5x retail. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how much beanie babies are going for now? The sad part is some children will not get their Christmas wish because grown-ups are absconding and scalping the toys. On Monday, December 15, 2014 2:11:22 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: http://www.cnet.com/news/buy-in-store-sell-online-at-a-fat- profit-its-happy-holidays-for-arbitragers/ He's far from the only one. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Deac, child and childish are not the same thing. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Precisely, Ron. And people can inadvertently promote childishness in their children by accepting it rather than challenging it. I'm not saying that is happening in any specific instance here -- but the commercialization of Christmas, and specifically the direct marketing to kids via kids shows that are nothing but marketing, makes it a very easy trap to fall into without realizing. Christmas is a time of generosity and a huge part of the joy of receiving is in knowing we've given as well so we understand what went into the gifts we receive. The same is true for our kids. The more they work and sacrifice to give to siblings, parents, and friends, the deeper their joy with whatever they receive, whether it's the must have toy or something else. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:11:41 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: Deac, child and childish are not the same thing. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Amen, Patrick. We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second daughter was born. Will never go back. And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Speaking of media, we also find that after living essentially ad-free since 2006 (as not only do we not have a TV, but we also only listen to college radio stations of which there is an abundance with great programming in our area), it's become unbearable listening to ads when spending holidays at the in-laws. Have they gotten more obnoxious since then, or have I just become sensitized to them from not having them? Anton On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:33:52 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Amen, Patrick. We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second daughter was born. Will never go back. And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:37:15 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote: Have they gotten more obnoxious since then, or have I just become sensitized to them from not having them? Great question, Anton. When I see ads I grew up with and thought nothing of at the time, they seem obnoxious now. I suspect most of it is my sensitivity threshold has greatly increased. This is a common experience I have with all aspects of more minimal (simple) living. For example, I can't fathom how I slept in a soft cushioned bed or sad in cushioned chairs (or chairs of any type), as they instantly feel wrong since I've shifted to floor living. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
As for kids I don't have any but have some over at the house sometimes and I find the precocious behavior displayed in much of children's specific programs is pretty intolerable. There's no way I would accept any child talking the way they do on some of these TV shows. For me, I could not live without my DVR. I cannot stand commercials, and yes I think they are more unbearable than ever. If it wasn't for DVR I would pull the plug again, and go cable free, streaming only. But my wife likes Oprah Winfrey Network, and I like the home improvement shows on HGTV/DIY. So we filter what we have to endure by never watching anything live. Maybe someday an Internet connection will be enough, but for now the cable companies are something of a cartel, i.e., they have some of the interesting content I want and can't get separately. If I could buy the content I want on cable networks a-la-carte I would do so in a heartbeat. On a side note, one of the great things about the older style of bikes is that you can customize them a-la-carte. I was on a 600K brevet this last weekend and someone who had a top of the line carbon fiber Felt with D/A electronic shifting had his shifter quit working after he had a flat. I surmise that something got knocked loose when he turned the bike over to change the flat. At any rate he had to ride the rest of the first day and all of the 2nd day - approximately 150 miles - with two gears, that being, those in the front. I was needling him about getting a setup with shifter cables, since I had a spare shift cable in my bag, but then I realized that his bike probably doesn't even have provisioning to have shifter cables, since I'm sure they build it as a proprietary integrated system with the electronic shifting. The guy is an extremely strong rider despite being over 65, so he was able to take only having his two front gears in stride, and was helped by the 2nd day being a much flatter route east of Austin. But still it reminds me of why I ride what I would consider a normal bike. Electronic shifting is cool in theory, especially for IT guys like me, but sometimes tried and true low tech methods are better. He told me afterwards that he hooked his laptop to the derailer to troubleshoot. Um, if you have to carry a laptop to troubleshoot, what's the point of having a 15 pound bike in the first place? I might ride a bike with electronic shifting if I was doing one of those ultra-racing type events with a car following me. Then, if the damn thing breaks, I'd just grab my Rivendell off the top of the follow car. But anyway, I digress... On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of media, we also find that after living essentially ad-free since 2006 (as not only do we not have a TV, but we also only listen to college radio stations of which there is an abundance with great programming in our area), it's become unbearable listening to ads when spending holidays at the in-laws. Have they gotten more obnoxious since then, or have I just become sensitized to them from not having them? Anton On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:33:52 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Amen, Patrick. We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second daughter was born. Will never go back. And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Have they gotten more obnoxious since then, or have I just become sensitized to them from not having them? There is a lot less money being spent of televised ads. Production quality is way down. Big money is in the cinema spots that then morph over to Youtube - apparently there are people who actually search for and watch ads on Youtube. Go figure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Patrick: agree wholeheartedly. Anton: good for you. I don't have a TV -- find it hard to watch most movies without getting bored or annoyed -- but daughter, alas, is very plugged in -- she lives mostly with her mother. But her mother and I have, and I think effectively, emphasized other values enough -- imposed them on Catie, come to that -- that I think all is far from lost. And she has been a huge reader since the age of 6 or 7 when she discovered it is more fun to read than to have someone read to her. And I am glad I discovered Kindle: all sorts of wonderful free or almost-free classics of literature, history, spirituality, what have you. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: Amen, Patrick. We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second daughter was born. Will never go back. And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Well I own 5 flat screen TVs a PS4, Gameboy, ipad, kindle fire and all the other stuff we yes did fine without as kids but come on, they are fun distractions. The issue is when they become all you do or all the kids do. Everything is about moderation. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick: agree wholeheartedly. Anton: good for you. I don't have a TV -- find it hard to watch most movies without getting bored or annoyed -- but daughter, alas, is very plugged in -- she lives mostly with her mother. But her mother and I have, and I think effectively, emphasized other values enough -- imposed them on Catie, come to that -- that I think all is far from lost. And she has been a huge reader since the age of 6 or 7 when she discovered it is more fun to read than to have someone read to her. And I am glad I discovered Kindle: all sorts of wonderful free or almost-free classics of literature, history, spirituality, what have you. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: Amen, Patrick. We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second daughter was born. Will never go back. And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
I've taken a whole other strategy with my kid. He's plugged in, online, engaged, and has been for a long time. I doubt it's a strategy that would work with every kid, but he's pretty inoculated against ads and consumerism. He does consumer research, and knows how to delay gratification. He loves his videogames, but he's also a voracious reader, excellent writer, and a good thinker. He debates politics with his Xbox friend in South Carolina, and stays his friend. He knows all kinds of random interesting things, and actively pursues more knowledge, like, How To Become Pope, http://youtu.be/kF8I_r9XT7A which I've shared with my adult friends. Philip www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:10:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: agree wholeheartedly. Anton: good for you. I don't have a TV -- find it hard to watch most movies without getting bored or annoyed -- but daughter, alas, is very plugged in -- she lives mostly with her mother. But her mother and I have, and I think effectively, emphasized other values enough -- imposed them on Catie, come to that -- that I think all is far from lost. And she has been a huge reader since the age of 6 or 7 when she discovered it is more fun to read than to have someone read to her. And I am glad I discovered Kindle: all sorts of wonderful free or almost-free classics of literature, history, spirituality, what have you. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Amen, Patrick. We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second daughter was born. Will never go back. And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
He, my kid is amazing, special and perfect, just kidding hahaha. She has my smart attitude and is already bored with school, good times ahead! On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:33 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate
Peanut Butter Bikes. On 12/16/14, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:33 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
