Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 21:44 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? I was on one dirt road ride last year where a friend had 28mm Paris-Roubaix tires. She flatted almost immediately as soon as we got on the gravel, and then flatted again later on. I've had the 30mm Grand Bois Cypres on gravel roads for a few miles and they're ridden fine, but I wasn't on the gravel long enough to draw any conclusions about durability in that environment. Simply because of their relative narrowness (compared to the 650B tires I have on other bikes) I wouldn't set out with them to do a dirt road ride, but if I encountered a stretch of dirt road in the middle of a long ride I wouldn't blanch or (as I've seen folks on 23mm racing tires do) shriek Gravel, for the love of God!!! come to a sudden halt, stop and carry the bike over the offending gravel section. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On May 16, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 21:44 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? I was on one dirt road ride last year where a friend had 28mm Paris-Roubaix tires. She flatted almost immediately as soon as we got on the gravel, and then flatted again later on. I've had the 30mm Grand Bois Cypres on gravel roads for a few miles and they're ridden fine, but I wasn't on the gravel long enough to draw any conclusions about durability in that environment. Simply because of their relative narrowness (compared to the 650B tires I have on other bikes) I wouldn't set out with them to do a dirt road ride, but if I encountered a stretch of dirt road in the middle of a long ride I wouldn't blanch or (as I've seen folks on 23mm racing tires do) shriek Gravel, for the love of God!!! come to a sudden halt, stop and carry the bike over the offending gravel section. Strange to me. I've ridden many miles on 23 mm tires of gravel. Unless the gravel is loose it's not a problem. But then I grew up doing a lot of riding on gravel; I just keep going because it doesn't feel funny to me. It's probably like the Belgians and cobbles- just what you're used to. My grandparents lived on a farm in Michigan surrounded by gravel roads. There are a bunch of gravel road enthusiasts around the Twin Cities, have their own mailing list and (appropriately enough) loosely organized rides. I haven't gotten out to any of those, having previously had a lot of schedule conflicts on the weekends. I've noticed that gravel used on roads is much larger than it used to be; when I was a kid gravel on roads tended to be fine grained (1/4 or smaller) and locked down pretty quickly but nowadays gravel seems to be 1/2 to 1 as a general rule. The bigger gravel is less stable under a wheel. Given the politics that erupt around gravel mining locally, it is possible that- like oil- we've used up a lot of the higher quality easily accessible resources. IME coarser gravel needs bigger tires to avoid plowing through it and bogging down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
The Grifo XS roll beautifully on pavement! Just as well as (actually, possibly even faster than) the JB Greens, despite the nibbly knobs. And I'm not saying that to dis' the JB Greens, which I like a lot and think are really great tires. I've ridden the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix on gravel/dirt a few times and have never flatted. They don't have enough volume for gonzo trail riding, but I've done that too on a whim and didn't flat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 08:55 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: Strange to me. I've ridden many miles on 23 mm tires of gravel. Unless the gravel is loose it's not a problem. But then I grew up doing a lot of riding on gravel; I just keep going because it doesn't feel funny to me. It's probably like the Belgians and cobbles- just what you're used to. My grandparents lived on a farm in Michigan surrounded by gravel roads. There are a bunch of gravel road enthusiasts around the Twin Cities, have their own mailing list and (appropriately enough) loosely organized rides. I haven't gotten out to any of those, having previously had a lot of schedule conflicts on the weekends. I've noticed that gravel used on roads is much larger than it used to be; when I was a kid gravel on roads tended to be fine grained (1/4 or smaller) and locked down pretty quickly but nowadays gravel seems to be 1/2 to 1 as a general rule. The bigger gravel is less stable under a wheel. Given the politics that erupt around gravel mining locally, it is possible that- like oil- we've used up a lot of the higher quality easily accessible resources. IME coarser gravel needs bigger tires to avoid plowing through it and bogging down. Agreed. Also I find that being heavier than most, even 25mm tires are very unsatisfactory for me on gravel roads: they skitter around and feel very unsteady. The wider I go, the more planted the bike feels and the more secure I am. I was very surprised when I switched from CdlVs to Hetres and did the same gravel road descent and found that where I'd initially felt as though I was riding ten tenths at around 12 mph with the CdlVs that with the Hetres I was taking the same descents at 18-20 mph and feeling all laid back and casual. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over 4 wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who wants a good deal on them, LMK. Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with the Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to ride them at about 85-90 psi. If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over the Marathon Racer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
Grand Bois 28s are good on the hardpack. Great all around tires, although they're wearing down really fast IMHO. I had the 30mm ones as well, and those had problems, but so far the 28s are great. If you want something a little larger, consider the Challenge Grifo XS. Touch of tread would be great if you ride in the dirt occasionally. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343216/421/Challenge-Grifo-XS-700x32c.html On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:44 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over 4 wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who wants a good deal on them, LMK. Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with the Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to ride them at about 85-90 psi. If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over the Marathon Racer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
Thanks, David. I ride this bike mostly on pavement -- the dirt here in my area is too sandy for anything except really fat and soft tires -- but I want to be able to take short detours off the bike path and off the pavements in, say, Corrales, near my house. I'd prefer a good road tire that does acceptably on hardpack, so the GBN 30s sound ideal for me -- I'm willing to put up with lower mileage for a better ride. Do the GBs run true to size? And do the Grifo XSs roll well on pavement? After finding supple 22 mm tires (and 559s at that) quite acceptable over such rough pavement as I encounter, 30s ought to be like pillows for my needs. (Damn, those Tourguards are harsh!) On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Grand Bois 28s are good on the hardpack. Great all around tires, although they're wearing down really fast IMHO. I had the 30mm ones as well, and those had problems, but so far the 28s are great. If you want something a little larger, consider the Challenge Grifo XS. Touch of tread would be great if you ride in the dirt occasionally. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343216/421/Challenge-Grifo-XS-700x32c.html On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:44 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over 4 wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who wants a good deal on them, LMK. Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with the Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to ride them at about 85-90 psi. If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over the Marathon Racer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Marathon Racer vs Ruffy Tuffy
I haven't used the Grifos, but the tread is really minimal from when I looked at them. It's not going to slow you down :) That's the XS model, not the regular Grifo which is more of a lugged cyclocross pattern. The GBs are really nice tires. I think you would like either size, although if you like the 22s, might as well get the 28s. They are true to size. The 30mm ones were closer to 31mm. REALLY light tires, holding them feels like there's nothing there! On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:04 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, David. I ride this bike mostly on pavement -- the dirt here in my area is too sandy for anything except really fat and soft tires -- but I want to be able to take short detours off the bike path and off the pavements in, say, Corrales, near my house. I'd prefer a good road tire that does acceptably on hardpack, so the GBN 30s sound ideal for me -- I'm willing to put up with lower mileage for a better ride. Do the GBs run true to size? And do the Grifo XSs roll well on pavement? After finding supple 22 mm tires (and 559s at that) quite acceptable over such rough pavement as I encounter, 30s ought to be like pillows for my needs. (Damn, those Tourguards are harsh!) On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Grand Bois 28s are good on the hardpack. Great all around tires, although they're wearing down really fast IMHO. I had the 30mm ones as well, and those had problems, but so far the 28s are great. If you want something a little larger, consider the Challenge Grifo XS. Touch of tread would be great if you ride in the dirt occasionally. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343216/421/Challenge-Grifo-XS-700x32c.html On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:44 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Roly Poly got nixed on BQ's rollout reviews, tho' I don't necessarily buy everything they say (too many variables, IMO). But how do the Paris-Roubaix and the GB do on firm dirt and gravel? Would I be pushing it? I've been thinking of a pair of JB Greens, which I've tried and liked, but can easily get by with 28s for the kind of riding I expect to do on this bike (the Herse) -- in fact, just took of the barking, doggy 32 mm TourGuard Paselas and replaced them with used IRC Tandem 30s: 27.5 mm versus 29.6 or so on very similar rims, and at the same pressures -- 70-80 or so -- the IRCs are noticeably smoother over 4 wide expansion cracks. I do not like the Tourguards, so any one who wants a good deal on them, LMK. Also: what do the JBGs measure on a 23 mm rim? On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: For a nice tire around 28 mm wide, I'd opt for the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, the Grand Bois Cerf, or the Roll-y Pol-y. I have limited experience with the Schwalbes (didn't like 'em) and quite a bit of experience with the Ruffy Tuffy (very durable and long-lasting, but a bit dead feeling). The three aforementioned tires are all more lively and faster, and I'm able to ride them at about 85-90 psi. If I had to chose one of the two you ask about, I'd go Ruffy Tuffy over the Marathon Racer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional
