Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-06 Thread Jonathan D.
I wonder how many of the new Atlantis bikes Bill has sold. I still like the Joe 
but convinced a drop bar Atlantis with 650B would be fun. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-06 Thread Dave Grossman
Another great review Bill!  Enjoy it and don't ever think about going N+0!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-04 Thread dougP
Gabe:

Take advantage of that thought & follow thru.  I have a 16 year old 
Atlantis & was awestruck when I rode the newest iteration.  I thought my 
bike was comfortable but the longer wheelbase is amazing.  Got a chance to 
ride an hour's worth of RBS staff favorite trails & couldn't believe how 
stable & manuverable it is.  

dougP

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote:
>
> Hmmm...
>
> This review is making me think about dipping my toes in Atlantean waters 
> again
>
> Gabe
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 2:28:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
>> change a thing.  
>>
>> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
>> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
>> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
>> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>>
>> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with 
>> Choco bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top 
>> tube length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for 
>> me.  The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with 
>> drop bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you 
>> run it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
>> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
>> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
>> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
>> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
>> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
>> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
>> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
>> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
>> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
>> in my size never have TCO.  
>>
>> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
>> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
>> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
>> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
>> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
>> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
>> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-04 Thread oldmangabe
Hmmm...

This review is making me think about dipping my toes in Atlantean waters 
again

Gabe

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 2:28:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
> change a thing.  
>
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
> it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
> in my size never have TCO.  
>
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-04 Thread Bill Lindsay
I don’t have a 27.5 Hunqapillar. If I wanted to run straight bars for all 
riding I might prefer the Hunqapillar over the Atlantis, maybe. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-04 Thread tc
Bill, don’t you have  a 27.5 Hunq?  If so, when would you choose it over your 
new Atlantis?

Thanks,
Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-04 Thread esoterica etc


As a new owner of a 56cm 650b Atlantis, I have to precognitively say that the 
new Atlantis is a perfect bike. I say that because my Atlantis came to me with 
Choco bars installed and I really like them, but they’re not ideal for me. Like 
Bill and Joe, I want me some drops on my Atlantis. I’m in the process of 
putting together a drop bar cockpit, and I’m 99 & 33/100% sure that when it’s 
completed and installed, it’ll make the Atlantis a perfect bike for me. 

I also agree with Bill’s comparison between the old Atlantis and the new one. I 
had a 700c Toyo Atlantis many years ago and thought it was a brilliant bike. My 
new 650b Atlantis feels no less road-worthy, but a good deal more capable 
off-road. Add to that the additional mounting points, greater stability with 
the longer chainstays, and zero TCO, and you’ve got an even better iteration to 
a machine that I felt was pretty close to perfect the first time around. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Apr 3, 2019, at 20:31, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> As the new owner of a 53/650B Atlantis I have to agree it's a perfect bike 
> right down to the name, headbadge and color. It's ridiculously good at the 
> "being a bike" thing. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-03 Thread Joe Bernard
As the new owner of a 53/650B Atlantis I have to agree it's a perfect bike 
right down to the name, headbadge and color. It's ridiculously good at the 
"being a bike" thing. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-03 Thread Bill Lindsay
If I wanted to run drop bars on a 55cm Appaloosa, I'd run an 8cm stem, and 
I'm sure it would be dandy.  Maybe not perfect for me, but dandy.  8mm is 
not much, I agree, but it's not nothing either.  

Bill


On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:37:51 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> According to the geo charts, the 55cm Appa top tube is 0.8cm longer than 
> the 56cm Atlantis.  That's less than a 1/3 of a inch.
> Can that really be contributing to one frameset being more ideal for drop 
> bars and/or swept backs over the other?
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:34:06 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>>
>> Got it,  all excellent points Bill.   Thank you for the detailed 
>> response!   -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
>> change a thing.  
>>
>> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
>> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
>> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
>> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>>
>> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with 
>> Choco bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top 
>> tube length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for 
>> me.  The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with 
>> drop bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you 
>> run it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
>> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
>> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
>> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
>> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
>> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
>> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
>> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
>> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
>> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
>> in my size never have TCO.  
>>
>> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
>> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
>> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
>> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
>> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
>> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
>> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-03 Thread jandrews
According to the geo charts, the 55cm Appa top tube is 0.8cm longer than 
the 56cm Atlantis.  That's less than a 1/3 of a inch.
Can that really be contributing to one frameset being more ideal for drop 
bars and/or swept backs over the other?




On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:34:06 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Got it,  all excellent points Bill.   Thank you for the detailed response! 
>   -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 3, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Bill Lindsay > 
> wrote:
>
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
> change a thing.  
>
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
> it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
> in my size never have TCO.  
>
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-03 Thread Mike Williams
Got it,  all excellent points Bill.   Thank you for the detailed response!   
-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't change a 
> thing.  
> 
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make the 
> Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis a 
> perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
> 
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run it 
> with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more cruiserish 
> and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis are far more 
> preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c wheels and 
> tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B could easily 
> be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, I really 
> dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it whenever I can.  
> I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for me, because it had a 
> really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 700c 58cm Atlantis that I 
> used to have, but it still happened, and fully loaded on campouts it was a 
> problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes in my size never have TCO.  
> 
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  The 
> fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes the 
> Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 56 
> from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm now 
> convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-03 Thread Bill Lindsay
I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't change 
a thing.  

Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  

They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
in my size never have TCO.  

So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-04-03 Thread Mike Williams
Hey there Bill,  you also had/ have a Joe App, right?   Is the Atlantis any 
different?   Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2019, at 3:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I'm about 200 miles into the Atlantis now, and I'm convinced it is a perfect 
> bike.  There isn't a thing I would change about it.  I am certain there is 
> not another <$1500 frameset out there that is intended for the same kind of 
> riding that is better.  Rivendells in general for 2019 are highly evolved 
> bikes for traditional riding use-cases.  Virtually everything else in the 
> bike industry of 2019 is either not highly evolved, or is made for extreme 
> and/or specialized riding use cases.  If you are a normal person, doing 
> normal cycling, the Atlantis is a perfect machine.  There's no question that 
> the Atlantis could be a one-bike stable for me.  I'd never actually try to 
> live with a one-bike stable, but I'm totally confident I could.
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 3:21:11 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote:
>> 
>> Time for a review yet?
>> I'm eager to hear about the ride - especially with the long stays.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 10:30:21 AM UTC-8, Mark Schneider wrote:
>>> That's one sweet build Bill, look forward to a review.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 2:45:36 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
 As man of you noticed I put four framesets up for sale with the intent to 
 buy one new one. I only sold one of the four, with a bit of interest on 
 two more, but went ahead and picked up my new MIT Atlantis frameset 
 yesterday. It's a 56cm with 650B x 55mm tires.  The entire build kit came 
 off my 54cm Rosco Bubbe Step Through.  It's got a 2x10 Shimano drivetrain, 
 CX70 brakes, Cliffhanger rims.  I'm going to use it as a drop bar mountain 
 bike and a forest road explorer up in Gold Country.  I'm pleased with how 
 the build turned out and I'm excited about the bike.  Besides the longer 
 chainstays and the absence of a second top tube, this bike is basically 
 identical to the 56cm Bombadil I used to have.  
 
 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-01-13 Thread Lester Lammers
I saw your original post about JA sizing but I'm not sure if it was B4 or 
after I ordered the Atlantis. I have Billie bars with a 110mm stem. They 
come back a long way and I feel I would have felt a bit cramped even with a 
130mm stem on the 50. FWIW, I had a Berthoud Aspin saddle with cut out on 
it. I took a chance on a Brooks Cambium C19. The difference was immediately 
noticeable. Much better. Bike Tires Direct has them for $87.50 shipped. Riv 
does not carry the cut out version.

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 10:16:26 AM UTC-5, Hugh Flynn wrote:
>
> Same here for my Appaloosa. Bought it as a road/touring bike not a 
> dedicated trail rider. 
>
> Was sized by Riv charts as a 55, but felt it was too small when I got it 
> and built it up. Ordered a 58 and it couldn't be more perfect for me.
>
> Semi related: I have a blue 55 Appaloosa with under 200 miles on it for 
> sale if anyone wants one :-) been meaning to get a proper listing together, 
> but haven't done it yet.
>
> Hugh Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Lester Lammers  > wrote:
>
>> I wanted a MIT Atlantis and Riv recommended a 50. I told Will that I 
>> would not be using it as a single track but as an all rounder with some 
>> light trails. I'm at the top of the 50 PBH range and the bottom of the 53. 
>> I got the 53 and it is the best fitting bike I have owned. Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 5:55:10 PM UTC-5, jamison brosseau wrote:
>>>
>>> Congratulations Bill!  The new bike looks great!  I can’t decide between 
>>> the 56 and the 59. 
>>> Have fun 
>>> JB
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

2019-01-13 Thread hugh flynn
Same here for my Appaloosa. Bought it as a road/touring bike not a
dedicated trail rider.

Was sized by Riv charts as a 55, but felt it was too small when I got it
and built it up. Ordered a 58 and it couldn't be more perfect for me.

Semi related: I have a blue 55 Appaloosa with under 200 miles on it for
sale if anyone wants one :-) been meaning to get a proper listing together,
but haven't done it yet.

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Lester Lammers 
wrote:

> I wanted a MIT Atlantis and Riv recommended a 50. I told Will that I would
> not be using it as a single track but as an all rounder with some light
> trails. I'm at the top of the 50 PBH range and the bottom of the 53. I got
> the 53 and it is the best fitting bike I have owned. Hope this helps.
>
>
> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 5:55:10 PM UTC-5, jamison brosseau wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations Bill!  The new bike looks great!  I can’t decide between
>> the 56 and the 59.
>> Have fun
>> JB
>
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