Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[ted]

What would he be giving up that wouldn't be worth it? Sounds like you are 
very familiar with both models, have you owned both?

As to "Ebay for some 531 bike or going with a Boulder or Lyon might be more 
what you are after" it might, or it might not be. Really it depends on what 
dstein likes. Me, I have a late 70's Nobilette 531 frame that I basically 
stopped using when I got my hands on a stiffer more responsive frame. Of 
course now I hardly ever ride that frame either, and mostly ride my AHH. 
There is no one right answer for all people and all situations.

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:37:04 AM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> These bikes are all very similar.
>
> I don't think switching to an AHH will be a huge Chang and what you give 
> up in return might not be worth it. 
>
> Ebay for some 531 bike or going with a Boulder or Lyon might be more what 
> you are after.
>
> Clayton
> SF, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[ted]

dstein,

If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you will 
likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too.
As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally 
interchangeable, though there are differences between them.

I haven't ridden a Hunqapillar much, but I do have a first generation 
Bombadil and an AHH. For riding mostly roads I prefer the AHH. I think they 
ride differently, with the AHH being more responsive and the Bombadil being 
more stable. But it's possible that in a blind (if that were possible) test 
with the same components and position on each frame I wouldn't be able to 
tell the difference. 

How would you like your next bike to seem different than your Hunqapillar? 
What attributes would make a "better bike" seem better to you? 

I think you live in the east bay, in which case it could be well worth your 
while to bop over to RBW and test ride Hunqapillar, Hillborne, Hilsen, 
Roadeo back to back to 

Btw what tires do you have? Earlier you posted there were Smart Sams on 
there, now Compass. Are your Compass tires Rat Trap Pass or a smaller size?

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:09:20 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> I actually do have compass tires on there now ;)  And that is my fear. I 
> felt the hunq and sam rode the same honestly and since i liked the hunq 
> more i sold the sam. And I've heard the sam and ahh ride the same (grant's 
> words).
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Clayton.sf  > wrote:
>
>> Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you want 
>> really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and compass 
>> tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade.
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[davecstein]

Ha! I saw that yesterday. The price is high and I think I'd want a 52, but I 
may go check it out. I'm actually traveling and it'll be a while before I can 
check it out but funny timing since I almost never see AHH's for sale

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 12:43 PM, ted  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> John is right. Drop everything and go look at (and test ride) that bike 
> immediately. It should help clarify your options more than any amount of 
> internet advice. You may go meh, you may catch a case of lust, but either way 
> I bet it helps settle what you want (including what size is best for you).
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:12:17 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>> Dave,
>> 
>> Have you seen this one on CL? 
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5378131226.html  Relatively close to 
>> you.  Not cheap but appears to be a nice build with low mileage.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>> I have a year and a half old green Hunqapillar, 48cm, with a bit of 
>>> beausage and touch up paint (from waterford). I have sed this as my primary 
>>> mountain bike (hence the beausage) and camping bike but have recently 
>>> gotten another mountain bike and this is being used primarily for all 
>>> rounder duties. I love love love this bike. But I'm thinking an AHH would 
>>> make for a better bike since I primarily keep to roads with some light 
>>> trails (if anyone has both and feels differently please feel free to 
>>> correct me). 
>>> 
>>> I am 5'7" with a 79-80 PBH. I was on the fence b/w a 48cm and 51cm Hunq and 
>>> went with 48cm for better standover for trail riding and glad I did. 
>>> 
>>> Hoping someone here might have an AHH and looking to get into more trail 
>>> riding with a Hunq ;)
>>> 
>>> Please reply privately if so. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[Clayton.sf]

These bikes are all very similar.

I don't think switching to an AHH will be a huge Chang and what you give up in 
return might not be worth it. 

Ebay for some 531 bike or going with a Boulder or Lyon might be more what you 
are after.

Clayton
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[RJM]

Wheel size will make a difference with how the bikes feel. Going from the 
Hunq to the Hilsen, he will be going from 26" to 650b. That is a change I 
can usually feel and on the road I think the 650b feels faster. 

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 11:58:17 AM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> dstein,
>
> If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you will 
> likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too.
> As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally 
> interchangeable, though there are differences between them.
>
> I haven't ridden a Hunqapillar much, but I do have a first generation 
> Bombadil and an AHH. For riding mostly roads I prefer the AHH. I think they 
> ride differently, with the AHH being more responsive and the Bombadil being 
> more stable. But it's possible that in a blind (if that were possible) test 
> with the same components and position on each frame I wouldn't be able to 
> tell the difference. 
>
> How would you like your next bike to seem different than your Hunqapillar? 
> What attributes would make a "better bike" seem better to you? 
>
> I think you live in the east bay, in which case it could be well worth 
> your while to bop over to RBW and test ride Hunqapillar, Hillborne, Hilsen, 
> Roadeo back to back to 
>
> Btw what tires do you have? Earlier you posted there were Smart Sams on 
> there, now Compass. Are your Compass tires Rat Trap Pass or a smaller size?
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:09:20 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I actually do have compass tires on there now ;)  And that is my fear. I 
>> felt the hunq and sam rode the same honestly and since i liked the hunq 
>> more i sold the sam. And I've heard the sam and ahh ride the same (grant's 
>> words).
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>>
>>> Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you 
>>> want really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and 
>>> compass tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade.
>>>
>>> Clayton Scott
>>> SF, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[ted]

I think his Sam was 650B too, so if he thought his Sam and his Hunqapillar 
rode the same the wheel size probably doesn't matter to him.

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:19:58 AM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>
> Wheel size will make a difference with how the bikes feel. Going from the 
> Hunq to the Hilsen, he will be going from 26" to 650b. That is a change I 
> can usually feel and on the road I think the 650b feels faster. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 11:58:17 AM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>>
>> dstein,
>>
>> If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you will 
>> likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too.
>> As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally 
>> interchangeable, though there are differences between them.
>>
>> I haven't ridden a Hunqapillar much, but I do have a first generation 
>> Bombadil and an AHH. For riding mostly roads I prefer the AHH. I think they 
>> ride differently, with the AHH being more responsive and the Bombadil being 
>> more stable. But it's possible that in a blind (if that were possible) test 
>> with the same components and position on each frame I wouldn't be able to 
>> tell the difference. 
>>
>> How would you like your next bike to seem different than your 
>> Hunqapillar? What attributes would make a "better bike" seem better to you? 
>>
>> I think you live in the east bay, in which case it could be well worth 
>> your while to bop over to RBW and test ride Hunqapillar, Hillborne, Hilsen, 
>> Roadeo back to back to 
>>
>> Btw what tires do you have? Earlier you posted there were Smart Sams on 
>> there, now Compass. Are your Compass tires Rat Trap Pass or a smaller size?
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:09:20 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> I actually do have compass tires on there now ;)  And that is my fear. I 
>>> felt the hunq and sam rode the same honestly and since i liked the hunq 
>>> more i sold the sam. And I've heard the sam and ahh ride the same (grant's 
>>> words).
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>>>
 Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you 
 want really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and 
 compass tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade.

 Clayton Scott
 SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[davecstein]

All good questions! I actually have some 650b wheels left over from a Sam I 
briefly owned and have been running those on the hunq, outfitted with compass 
42mm tires. I ran smart sam's on there for a long time and still have them.

I'm looking for something lighter that climbs better than the hunq. My litmus 
test are a few climbs in Oakland including tunnel road. It is noticeably slower 
on the hunq than on my go fast road bike (Gunnar), which would be expected. 
However, given that the hunq was bought to be my primary mountain bike, and is 
no longer serving that purpose, and is in fact seeing way more road miles, my 
hope is that a more road oriented Rivendell would make more sense. The 
hunqapillar is fine as it is, and if there is not going to be noticeably faster 
than I may just stay with that. 

But my initial thought process is that an AHH is comparable in price and resale 
value to my hunq (while having all the fixings for racks, fenders, kick stands, 
etc.), and being lighter and hopefully a little faster, would be a good trade 
if there was one to be had. And I also have a 650b  wheel set with 2 nice sets 
of tires that would fit it nicely. I'm also not really looking to spend any 
money, hence the trade aspect of it.

I feel like I've struck out on finding a 52 or 54 ahh at RBW to test, maybe I 
need to go back and see what is there. This isn't an urgent thing and I'm happy 
riding the hunq and keeping it a long time. But I am very AHH curious ;)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:58 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> dstein,
> 
> If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you will 
> likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too.
> As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally 
> interchangeable, though there are differences between them.
> 
> I haven't ridden a Hunqapillar much, but I do have a first generation 
> Bombadil and an AHH. For riding mostly roads I prefer the AHH. I think they 
> ride differently, with the AHH being more responsive and the Bombadil being 
> more stable. But it's possible that in a blind (if that were possible) test 
> with the same components and position on each frame I wouldn't be able to 
> tell the difference. 
> 
> How would you like your next bike to seem different than your Hunqapillar? 
> What attributes would make a "better bike" seem better to you? 
> 
> I think you live in the east bay, in which case it could be well worth your 
> while to bop over to RBW and test ride Hunqapillar, Hillborne, Hilsen, Roadeo 
> back to back to 
> 
> Btw what tires do you have? Earlier you posted there were Smart Sams on 
> there, now Compass. Are your Compass tires Rat Trap Pass or a smaller size?
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:09:20 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>> I actually do have compass tires on there now ;)  And that is my fear. I 
>> felt the hunq and sam rode the same honestly and since i liked the hunq more 
>> i sold the sam. And I've heard the sam and ahh ride the same (grant's words).
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>>> Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you want 
>>> really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and compass 
>>> tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade.
>>> 
>>> Clayton Scott
>>> SF, CA
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[ted]

Wow Dave, that is a lot. Like 25 or 30 percent slower eh? To put that all 
down to weight difference would mean like 40 pounds wouldn't it? Is your 
Gunnar 10s of pounds lighter than your Hunqapillar?
I suspect a lot of your difference is down to position on the bike, whats 
on the bike (i.e. racks, fenders, bags, gear, kickstands etc), and effort. 
On the Atlantis product page it says the AHH is about a pound lighter, so I 
don't see how a Hunqapillar can be more than a few pounds heavier than an 
AHH.
I doubt very much that just swapping frames is going to make a big dent in 
that sort of a time difference.

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 11:58:08 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Ted - My ambivalence starts when a lot of money and time get invested into 
> it. I realize its a long shot to get an exact trade (or close to it, 
> ideally for just a frame and fork trade). Could be worth it in the long 
> run. I'd have to  put some thought into it. 
>
> I do about 33-35 minutes up on the Gunnar at my fastest and closer to 45 
> minutes up on the Hunq. Different setups. Gunnar has a mark's rack and 
> small trunksack and drop bars, it also has a pretty lightweight wheelset. 
> The Hunq has albastaches and also a front rack, sometimes with a basket and 
> things. With my regular riding buddies I can keep up on the gunnar but 
> definintely fall behind on the Hunq.
>
> No issues with the brakes, they're the cx70's. It takes a few minutes to 
> adjust them up and down when i change out the wheelsets but otherwise works 
> pretty well, and the outside diameter is pretty similar between the 26 2.1 
> smart sams and the 650b 42mm babyshoe pass tires.
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:46 AM, ted  
> wrote:
>
>> Did your brakes have enough range of adjustment for the change from 26" 
>> to 650B?
>>
>> I'm actually a bit surprised that you are "noticeably slower on the hunq 
>> than on my go fast road bike" going up say Tunnel road. Do you notice the 
>> difference just by feel on your own, by timing it, by comparison with a 
>> regular riding partner? Is your position the same on both bikes? Same style 
>> bars? Same pedals? How many pounds lighter is the Gunnar comparing ready to 
>> ride bikes? How much do you and the bike ready to roll out the drive weigh? 
>> How much more stuff is on the Hunqapillar? What is your time up Tunnel road?
>>
>> Getting from the Hunqapillar to an AHH is probably going to cost you some 
>> $$, at least as temporary outlay with some risk of permanence. The one near 
>> Alameda may be as good a fit as you see in some time. Complete bikes tend 
>> to be better bargains, by selling off all the extra parts after merging 
>> between your Hunqapillar and the AHH and selling the Hunqapillar as a frame 
>> fork and headset you might get close to breaking even. If your ambivalent 
>> about changing, it's likely not worth the trouble.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> All good questions! I actually have some 650b wheels left over from a 
>>> Sam I briefly owned and have been running those on the hunq, outfitted with 
>>> compass 42mm tires. I ran smart sam's on there for a long time and still 
>>> have them.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for something lighter that climbs better than the hunq. My 
>>> litmus test are a few climbs in Oakland including tunnel road. It is 
>>> noticeably slower on the hunq than on my go fast road bike (Gunnar), which 
>>> would be expected. However, given that the hunq was bought to be my primary 
>>> mountain bike, and is no longer serving that purpose, and is in fact seeing 
>>> way more road miles, my hope is that a more road oriented Rivendell would 
>>> make more sense. The hunqapillar is fine as it is, and if there is not 
>>> going to be noticeably faster than I may just stay with that. 
>>>
>>> But my initial thought process is that an AHH is comparable in price and 
>>> resale value to my hunq (while having all the fixings for racks, fenders, 
>>> kick stands, etc.), and being lighter and hopefully a little faster, would 
>>> be a good trade if there was one to be had. And I also have a 650b  wheel 
>>> set with 2 nice sets of tires that would fit it nicely. I'm also not really 
>>> looking to spend any money, hence the trade aspect of it.
>>>
>>> I feel like I've struck out on finding a 52 or 54 ahh at RBW to test, 
>>> maybe I need to go back and see what is there. This isn't an urgent thing 
>>> and I'm happy riding the hunq and keeping it a long time. But I am very AHH 
>>> curious ;)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:58 AM, ted  wrote:
>>>
>>> dstein,
>>>
>>> If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you 
>>> will likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too.
>>> As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally 
>>> interchangeable, though there are differences between them.
>>>
>>> I haven't ridden 

Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[David Stein]

Ted - My ambivalence starts when a lot of money and time get invested into
it. I realize its a long shot to get an exact trade (or close to it,
ideally for just a frame and fork trade). Could be worth it in the long
run. I'd have to  put some thought into it.

I do about 33-35 minutes up on the Gunnar at my fastest and closer to 45
minutes up on the Hunq. Different setups. Gunnar has a mark's rack and
small trunksack and drop bars, it also has a pretty lightweight wheelset.
The Hunq has albastaches and also a front rack, sometimes with a basket and
things. With my regular riding buddies I can keep up on the gunnar but
definintely fall behind on the Hunq.

No issues with the brakes, they're the cx70's. It takes a few minutes to
adjust them up and down when i change out the wheelsets but otherwise works
pretty well, and the outside diameter is pretty similar between the 26 2.1
smart sams and the 650b 42mm babyshoe pass tires.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:46 AM, ted  wrote:

> Did your brakes have enough range of adjustment for the change from 26" to
> 650B?
>
> I'm actually a bit surprised that you are "noticeably slower on the hunq
> than on my go fast road bike" going up say Tunnel road. Do you notice the
> difference just by feel on your own, by timing it, by comparison with a
> regular riding partner? Is your position the same on both bikes? Same style
> bars? Same pedals? How many pounds lighter is the Gunnar comparing ready to
> ride bikes? How much do you and the bike ready to roll out the drive weigh?
> How much more stuff is on the Hunqapillar? What is your time up Tunnel road?
>
> Getting from the Hunqapillar to an AHH is probably going to cost you some
> $$, at least as temporary outlay with some risk of permanence. The one near
> Alameda may be as good a fit as you see in some time. Complete bikes tend
> to be better bargains, by selling off all the extra parts after merging
> between your Hunqapillar and the AHH and selling the Hunqapillar as a frame
> fork and headset you might get close to breaking even. If your ambivalent
> about changing, it's likely not worth the trouble.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> All good questions! I actually have some 650b wheels left over from a Sam
>> I briefly owned and have been running those on the hunq, outfitted with
>> compass 42mm tires. I ran smart sam's on there for a long time and still
>> have them.
>>
>> I'm looking for something lighter that climbs better than the hunq. My
>> litmus test are a few climbs in Oakland including tunnel road. It is
>> noticeably slower on the hunq than on my go fast road bike (Gunnar), which
>> would be expected. However, given that the hunq was bought to be my primary
>> mountain bike, and is no longer serving that purpose, and is in fact seeing
>> way more road miles, my hope is that a more road oriented Rivendell would
>> make more sense. The hunqapillar is fine as it is, and if there is not
>> going to be noticeably faster than I may just stay with that.
>>
>> But my initial thought process is that an AHH is comparable in price and
>> resale value to my hunq (while having all the fixings for racks, fenders,
>> kick stands, etc.), and being lighter and hopefully a little faster, would
>> be a good trade if there was one to be had. And I also have a 650b  wheel
>> set with 2 nice sets of tires that would fit it nicely. I'm also not really
>> looking to spend any money, hence the trade aspect of it.
>>
>> I feel like I've struck out on finding a 52 or 54 ahh at RBW to test,
>> maybe I need to go back and see what is there. This isn't an urgent thing
>> and I'm happy riding the hunq and keeping it a long time. But I am very AHH
>> curious ;)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:58 AM, ted  wrote:
>>
>> dstein,
>>
>> If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you will
>> likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too.
>> As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally
>> interchangeable, though there are differences between them.
>>
>> I haven't ridden a Hunqapillar much, but I do have a first generation
>> Bombadil and an AHH. For riding mostly roads I prefer the AHH. I think they
>> ride differently, with the AHH being more responsive and the Bombadil being
>> more stable. But it's possible that in a blind (if that were possible) test
>> with the same components and position on each frame I wouldn't be able to
>> tell the difference.
>>
>> How would you like your next bike to seem different than your
>> Hunqapillar? What attributes would make a "better bike" seem better to you?
>>
>> I think you live in the east bay, in which case it could be well worth
>> your while to bop over to RBW and test ride Hunqapillar, Hillborne, Hilsen,
>> Roadeo back to back to 
>>
>> Btw what tires do you have? Earlier you posted there were Smart Sams on
>> there, now Compass. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[Joe Bernard]

You should check it out. We're similar PBH and I would be on a 48 Hunq. I owned 
a 54 AHH which I never should have sold (cash crunch at the time). It fit great 
with Alba bars, and rode like the wind. They never come up in that size used, 
so get thee hence!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[ted]

Did your brakes have enough range of adjustment for the change from 26" to 
650B?

I'm actually a bit surprised that you are "noticeably slower on the hunq 
than on my go fast road bike" going up say Tunnel road. Do you notice the 
difference just by feel on your own, by timing it, by comparison with a 
regular riding partner? Is your position the same on both bikes? Same style 
bars? Same pedals? How many pounds lighter is the Gunnar comparing ready to 
ride bikes? How much do you and the bike ready to roll out the drive weigh? 
How much more stuff is on the Hunqapillar? What is your time up Tunnel road?

Getting from the Hunqapillar to an AHH is probably going to cost you some 
$$, at least as temporary outlay with some risk of permanence. The one near 
Alameda may be as good a fit as you see in some time. Complete bikes tend 
to be better bargains, by selling off all the extra parts after merging 
between your Hunqapillar and the AHH and selling the Hunqapillar as a frame 
fork and headset you might get close to breaking even. If your ambivalent 
about changing, it's likely not worth the trouble.



On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> All good questions! I actually have some 650b wheels left over from a Sam 
> I briefly owned and have been running those on the hunq, outfitted with 
> compass 42mm tires. I ran smart sam's on there for a long time and still 
> have them.
>
> I'm looking for something lighter that climbs better than the hunq. My 
> litmus test are a few climbs in Oakland including tunnel road. It is 
> noticeably slower on the hunq than on my go fast road bike (Gunnar), which 
> would be expected. However, given that the hunq was bought to be my primary 
> mountain bike, and is no longer serving that purpose, and is in fact seeing 
> way more road miles, my hope is that a more road oriented Rivendell would 
> make more sense. The hunqapillar is fine as it is, and if there is not 
> going to be noticeably faster than I may just stay with that. 
>
> But my initial thought process is that an AHH is comparable in price and 
> resale value to my hunq (while having all the fixings for racks, fenders, 
> kick stands, etc.), and being lighter and hopefully a little faster, would 
> be a good trade if there was one to be had. And I also have a 650b  wheel 
> set with 2 nice sets of tires that would fit it nicely. I'm also not really 
> looking to spend any money, hence the trade aspect of it.
>
> I feel like I've struck out on finding a 52 or 54 ahh at RBW to test, 
> maybe I need to go back and see what is there. This isn't an urgent thing 
> and I'm happy riding the hunq and keeping it a long time. But I am very AHH 
> curious ;)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:58 AM, ted  
> wrote:
>
> dstein,
>
> If you think the Hunqapillar and the Sam Hillborne ride the same you will 
> likely think the Sam and the Hilsen ride the same too.
> As you pointed out Grant has said the Sam and Hilsen are functionally 
> interchangeable, though there are differences between them.
>
> I haven't ridden a Hunqapillar much, but I do have a first generation 
> Bombadil and an AHH. For riding mostly roads I prefer the AHH. I think they 
> ride differently, with the AHH being more responsive and the Bombadil being 
> more stable. But it's possible that in a blind (if that were possible) test 
> with the same components and position on each frame I wouldn't be able to 
> tell the difference. 
>
> How would you like your next bike to seem different than your Hunqapillar? 
> What attributes would make a "better bike" seem better to you? 
>
> I think you live in the east bay, in which case it could be well worth 
> your while to bop over to RBW and test ride Hunqapillar, Hillborne, Hilsen, 
> Roadeo back to back to 
>
> Btw what tires do you have? Earlier you posted there were Smart Sams on 
> there, now Compass. Are your Compass tires Rat Trap Pass or a smaller size?
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 5:09:20 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I actually do have compass tires on there now ;)  And that is my fear. I 
>> felt the hunq and sam rode the same honestly and since i liked the hunq 
>> more i sold the sam. And I've heard the sam and ahh ride the same (grant's 
>> words).
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>>
>>> Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you 
>>> want really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and 
>>> compass tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade.
>>>
>>> Clayton Scott
>>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[David Stein]

I actually do have compass tires on there now ;)  And that is my fear. I
felt the hunq and sam rode the same honestly and since i liked the hunq
more i sold the sam. And I've heard the sam and ahh ride the same (grant's
words).

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you want
> really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and compass
> tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[dstein]

Definitely have some interest in people wanting to buy a 48cm Hunq. Anyone 
have a 52cm AHH they're willing to sell (frame/fork preferred but also open 
to complete)? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[David Stein]

Shoji, that helps a lot hearing that the AHH is noticeably the 'faster'
bike. That is what I'm looking for, something that serves as an errand
bike, bike camping bike, and is faster than my hunq on road rides which
would be 70% of the rides on it.

The Jones plus is unbelievably fantastic, but I have it setup with 3"
treaded tires at 10 psi for technical trail riding. It is slower going up
hill than the Hunq, but much cushier and more comfortable of a ride on
technical trails than the Hunq which I desparately needed. It handles
surprisingly well. And I was just as fast on it as I was on a Trek Fuel 9.9
(top of the line) demo ride I did. Some people get a 2nd wheelset for this
with slick tires and higher psi for road riding and swear buy it, maybe I
will one day but since the front wheel needs a 135mm hub, it's not
something I can just go buy and Jones wheelbuilder price on their site has
it at $1K for a wheelset, maybe another time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[Zach Duval]

What's the actual tire clearance for the 48 Hunqs?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[Clayton.sf]

Get some compass tires for your hunq- it will be much faster. If you want 
really fast, look into skinny flexy tubing or some vintage 531 and compass 
tires. The AHH likely won't be that huge of an upgrade. 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[davecstein]

I think 2.25", maybe 2.3". I have 2.1 in the rear and 2.25 in the front. Smart 
sam's.

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> 
> What's the actual tire clearance for the 48 Hunqs?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[davecstein]

I realize that is not a ringing endorsement for the hunq, the bike is fine, the 
rider was the issue there ;)

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> On Dec 27, 2015, at 3:51 PM, davecst...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yeah I figure it's a long shot, I almost never see used ones pop up ;)
> 
> I got a Jones Plus. I kept crashing on the hunq and looking for a more 
> stable, confident ride on technical single track. Was smitten with all the 
> words on the internet around the jones and after calling and talking to Jeff 
> I was handing over my card by the end of the call. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 3:24 PM, ted  wrote:
>> 
>> Good luck tracking down a used AHH, I think you would really enjoy one.
>> Sort of OT but I am curious what has replaced your Hunqapillar as your main 
>> off road ride and what motivated the change. Could you elaborate?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>> I have a year and a half old green Hunqapillar, 48cm, with a bit of 
>>> beausage and touch up paint (from waterford). I have sed this as my primary 
>>> mountain bike (hence the beausage) and camping bike but have recently 
>>> gotten another mountain bike and this is being used primarily for all 
>>> rounder duties. I love love love this bike. But I'm thinking an AHH would 
>>> make for a better bike since I primarily keep to roads with some light 
>>> trails (if anyone has both and feels differently please feel free to 
>>> correct me). 
>>> 
>>> I am 5'7" with a 79-80 PBH. I was on the fence b/w a 48cm and 51cm Hunq and 
>>> went with 48cm for better standover for trail riding and glad I did. 
>>> 
>>> Hoping someone here might have an AHH and looking to get into more trail 
>>> riding with a Hunq ;)
>>> 
>>> Please reply privately if so. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi,
I'm also 5'7" and nearly 81 PBH. I have a 48cm Hunqapillar and 56cm AHH.

I love them both! I, too, have been looking at the Jones+. Maybe a future 
bday present. (Glad I haven't called yet!)

The Hunqapillar serves great duty as a kid hauler and grocery getter. It is 
an occasional mountain bike-- wish I could do more trails with it. I have 
it sharing commuting duties with AHH.

AHH is definitely a faster bike-- for how I have them set up. (Hunqapillar 
is typically front+rear racks, sometimes front kid seat or rear Burley 
piccolo or rear trailer. Wears albatross, usually, though I swap out for 
bullmoose or mustache when I'm in the mood and don't have to haul the front 
seat.) AHH is set up with Noodles and saddlesack. It's a perfect, fast 
commuter. Probably great all rounder, though I haven't tested those 
boundaries as much as I'd like.

I'm not sure how the Jones would fit in my stable... but maybe that's 
reason enough to try.

(BTW: 54cm would probably fit a bit better, but 56cm is fine when I'm 
riding.)

Good luck in your search! AHH is a wonderful bike (as is the Hunqapillar).

shoji



On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 4:51:41 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> Yeah I figure it's a long shot, I almost never see used ones pop up ;)
>
> I got a Jones Plus. I kept crashing on the hunq and looking for a more 
> stable, confident ride on technical single track. Was smitten with all the 
> words on the internet around the jones and after calling and talking to 
> Jeff I was handing over my card by the end of the call. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 27, 2015, at 3:24 PM, ted  
> wrote:
>
> Good luck tracking down a used AHH, I think you would really enjoy one.
> Sort of OT but I am curious what has replaced your Hunqapillar as your 
> main off road ride and what motivated the change. Could you elaborate?
>
>
> On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I have a year and a half old green Hunqapillar, 48cm, with a bit 
>> of beausage and touch up paint (from waterford). I have sed this as my 
>> primary mountain bike (hence the beausage) and camping bike but have 
>> recently gotten another mountain bike and this is being used primarily for 
>> all rounder duties. I love love love this bike. But I'm thinking an AHH 
>> would make for a better bike since I primarily keep to roads with some 
>> light trails (if anyone has both and feels differently please feel free to 
>> correct me). 
>>
>> I am 5'7" with a 79-80 PBH. I was on the fence b/w a 48cm and 51cm Hunq 
>> and went with 48cm for better standover for trail riding and glad I did. 
>>
>> Hoping someone here might have an AHH and looking to get into more trail 
>> riding with a Hunq ;)
>>
>> Please reply privately if so. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Possible WTT 48cm Hunqapillar for AHH

[davecstein]

Yeah I figure it's a long shot, I almost never see used ones pop up ;)

I got a Jones Plus. I kept crashing on the hunq and looking for a more stable, 
confident ride on technical single track. Was smitten with all the words on the 
internet around the jones and after calling and talking to Jeff I was handing 
over my card by the end of the call. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 3:24 PM, ted  wrote:
> 
> Good luck tracking down a used AHH, I think you would really enjoy one.
> Sort of OT but I am curious what has replaced your Hunqapillar as your main 
> off road ride and what motivated the change. Could you elaborate?
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>> I have a year and a half old green Hunqapillar, 48cm, with a bit of beausage 
>> and touch up paint (from waterford). I have sed this as my primary mountain 
>> bike (hence the beausage) and camping bike but have recently gotten another 
>> mountain bike and this is being used primarily for all rounder duties. I 
>> love love love this bike. But I'm thinking an AHH would make for a better 
>> bike since I primarily keep to roads with some light trails (if anyone has 
>> both and feels differently please feel free to correct me). 
>> 
>> I am 5'7" with a 79-80 PBH. I was on the fence b/w a 48cm and 51cm Hunq and 
>> went with 48cm for better standover for trail riding and glad I did. 
>> 
>> Hoping someone here might have an AHH and looking to get into more trail 
>> riding with a Hunq ;)
>> 
>> Please reply privately if so. 
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